Divine Timing: Is Anything Really an Accident? With Lisa Williams

Jannecke Øinæs 0:00

Is death ever an accident, or is it never an accident that it is divine timing?

Lisa Williams 0:07

You have said the magic words how we are going to pass is actually predestined. We're not just here living this 3D world. You know, there's a bigger space out there. There's a bigger connection. We're starting to understand consciousness. We actually can experience energy in a whole different way, and we can go into a different dimension, different places by using our energy. There are so many different beings that are walking amongst us. We used to just think it was angels, but now it's not. I have read for so many people who were like beings, and they've been planted onto the earth. All of our feelings, all of our experiences, go onto this hard drive, and then when we pass, we put it into the main computer in the spirit world, and that's all our data. Let's talk your grandmother, for instance, because I I feel her here. Okay, my grandmother. Yeah, what are they doing on the other side? In that world, they don't have time. They don't have constrictions. They're learning. They're experiencing. We've got a little bit of a roller coaster ride coming up. I've got chills as I talk about it. Whatever is going to be shifting, it is going to be for the better, but you can't have the shift without a polarity. It's actually going to scare a lot of people who can't adjust their mind. You have a time frame to get this right.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:38

Hey, I know it can get annoying when YouTubers ask you to subscribe, but if you do subscribe, you are supporting the channel and you are getting notifications of new videos, and it only takes a couple of seconds. Thank you so much, Lisa Williams. Welcome back to the Wisdom From North show.

Lisa Williams 1:56

Thank you so much for having me. It's so nice to be here. It really is.

Jannecke Øinæs 2:02

I'm so excited to have you back because we met in person way back when in 2013 at Drammen Theatre in Norway because you were on stage doing mediumship, connecting people in the audience with spirits on the other side, and you used to do that a lot back in the days, and you had your own TV shows. I think one of your first ones was Life Among the Dead, and you were truly this pioneer in this field, opening the doors for so many others who have the same gifts and are now coming forward. So many people are coming forward with their gifts now, and it seems like I mean you're still a wildly known psychic medium, but it seems also that like your work has really evolved. You're empowering women now, helping them release emotional pain, helping them thriving. So I'm just really honoured to have you back.

Lisa Williams 2:58

Oh my gosh, thank you. Honestly, to think that it was so long ago that I was doing that, and it's only when someone actually says, "Oh, look at what you've done, that I really think back and go, "Wow, yeah, that was a big thing. That was huge.

Jannecke Øinæs 3:13

It was, and it was very brave as well. And I might come back to that, but before I do, I want to ask you right now, what is captivating you the most globally, cosmically, and in your own life?

Lisa Williams 3:28

So I think for me right now, where I sit in this, having sat with spirit for years, and having sat with consciousness for years, and having sat with intuition for years, I think for me it's the amalgamation of it all. It's about bringing it all together. What what I really am passionate about is to help people navigate grief, helping them navigate the difficult times, helping them understand their own intuition. I love teaching psychics and mediums. Don't get me wrong, and I think that is something that I'll always do. But I'm really passionate about helping people see the bigger picture. That we're not just here living this 3d world. You know, there's a bigger space out there. There's a bigger connection that we can heal on a cellular level. We can heal on a quantum level. We can connect in, and that we're here for a reason, and that we've chosen this reason. Whenever I do a reading, I see people's potentiality, and I see what they're capable of. So it's actually part of my I feel calling to actually help people see their potential in life as well.

Jannecke Øinæs 4:42

Beautiful, and this is definitely your calling. Even I think it was your grandmother who actually gave you a reading when you were 19 years old, and didn't it all pan out what she said?

Lisa Williams 4:54

Yes, it absolutely did. She gave me a reading. She sat me down. And she used to tap her finger on the table like this, and it was so weird. She and she said, "If I see my own death, I'm stopping, and that was really interesting. She said, "But I need to read for you. And what happened is she told me that I would follow with her in her footsteps, and I'm like, "I don't speak to dead people, she also said that I would be in America, that I would be famous, and that I would marry a man in uniform too. And I would only have one child naturally, but I would also have a daughter as well that would come in a different way. And everything came, everything happened. How she told me, you know, I ended up marrying a man in uniform. He's in the U.S. Well, he was in the U.S. Army. I adopted his daughter. I had my son. I came to America. I followed her footsteps, and it was it was insane how it all came out.

Jannecke Øinæs 5:56

But that's really interesting, right there. I mean, does that mean that we have such a clear destiny, or do you think that was only for you, or for certain people, and for others their destiny is more open? Because on this show, we speak about timelines that we can have all these multiple timelines. And what if you, you know, the the movie Sliding Doors. What if you went to the right and you didn't meet that man? I am just puzzled that everything panned out.

Lisa Williams 6:29

Right, and I think this is how I like to look at it. Let's put it this: you and I have had a contract in the spirit world. We've said, "Hey, let's get together, let's do this podcast, and let's let's have a meeting and let's change people's lives. So we have said, hey, we'll find each other in the lifetime and we'll come together. So there's a soul contract, and so I do believe that people have soul contracts. Now I also agree that there is free will, and I do think that sometimes if we decide to turn left, we could meet somebody else. But if I take it back to myself, if I was meant to marry a man in uniform, there's millions of guys in uniform. All right. So if I'd have just turned left instead of turning right, like swipe left and swipe right, I would. I may have met a guy in uniform. I may have met somebody in a very different life in a very different way, but I do believe if we are meant to meet or meant to do something, I do truly believe that we're going to meet them, whether it's in the same time frame that we anticipate, and I do think that there are many times that we could have missed our time frame, and that they'll come up again, because it happens in my readings when I'm working with somebody. I'll often say, "You have a time frame to get this right. I said, "Otherwise, you you can miss your time frame, and but it will resurface again in X amount of years, so I do think that we have what you would call the window of opportunity before it closes again, and so I do think that that's very very common with some people.

Jannecke Øinæs 8:15

And speaking of readings, when you do readings, does it happen that you actually receive information about their death date, and is that something that's predestined as well, or can we choose it from maybe a higher level?

Lisa Williams 8:31

So that's an interesting question. I personally believe that we have many exit points, and we have many points that we actually say, okay, I'm I'm able to exit at these points. Okay, like my husband literally had an exit point last week, and I saw it in front of my own eyes, and I saw it happen. Potential motorcycle accident that could have been so much worse, but he chose to stay, and we had conversations about this. And it's interesting because I do believe that we can have an exit point in certain points of our life, and it's whether our soul says, "I'm ready to stay. Now, what's interesting here with him is he made a very conscious decision back in February this year to stop drinking, to and he made a very very conscious decision about how he was going to live his life. So I feel like he really made a conscious space to actually say, "I'm going to live. I've faced death so many times. I'm going to live. So when this when this opportunity came of him to you know have this potential accident that could have been tragic, it was it was really interesting for me because I almost it's like I could see this matrix almost a clunk clunk clunk of him. Deciding no, it's not my time now. So I do feel that we have chosen exit points, and it's up to us to actually say whether or not we want that exit point or not.

Jannecke Øinæs 10:14

Thank you for sharing that. And if you are in a reading, is it something about the ethics that you're not allowed to say it, or would you say something? I mean, if a person is sick, how would you handle that?

Lisa Williams 10:25

So I'll tell you a couple of I tell you a couple a couple of stories. I don't like to look at death. I'm just going to tell you I don't like to look at death because I think, you know, there's nothing worse than somebody waiting for it. But I do remember this one particular story, and I share it all the time. And it was a woman who came to me for a reading, and I'm in the reading, and I'm chatting, and la la la la. And then I suddenly said to her, "The person who's waiting for the heart transplant isn't going to get it. And it came so it wasn't even in context of the reading at the time, it just came out of left field. Like, why am I even saying that? And I even said to her, "Said does that make any sense? And she said, "Yes, it does. And I didn't know anything else, but I didn't realise it was her waiting for the heart transplant. Three days later, she passed away from a heart failure, and I had no idea. And so this young girl came along, and she about maybe a year later, and I said, "I've got your mum here. She's coming through. She's talking about letters. She's telling me that you wrote a letter, or she she gave you a letter and she said yes she did, and I said she tells me that she wrote a letter to say goodbye and it was her way of saying goodbye. She said yes, and I said she's also telling me that you have a letter here, and she said no, I don't. I said well that's okay, and then all of a sudden about 10 minutes into the reading, she went, "Oh my god, I have a letter. I said, "That's okay, you know. And she wanted to give me this piece of paper, and it was from her mom addressed to me, saying, "Thank you for giving me the opportunity to say my goodbyes. Thank you for sharing the information, and this is the final letter I'm writing, and if you're reading this, please know that I've passed away peacefully. And I gave, and your reading gave me the opportunity to say goodbye to all of my family. And she wrote letters to everybody. She left my reading and went home and wrote all of her letters. And three days later, she passed.

Jannecke Øinæs 12:40

Horrible story,

Lisa Williams 12:41

I know, right? I always think about that because it was such an opportunity, and that's just one of the stories that I have many of. But that was just one opportunity of where I said something, and I kind of was like, I really want to pull that back and not say it, but it came out of my mouth so quickly that I just suddenly had to say it, and it just is an opportunity to show that that sometimes things are predestined, and we know that they're going to happen. And it wasn't a conscious decision for me to actually say, "Oh, you know, you're not going to get the heart transplant, because I'm all about giving hope, and I was it was not something I would normally have done. Is death ever an accident, or is it never an accident that it is divine timing? You have said the magic words divine timing. I say it all the time that it's all divine timing, and even those who die by suicide, even those who have had tragic accidents, I do believe that how we are going to pass is actually predestined. I really do, and so I truly feel that it is all in divine timing. You know, we also live in an age now where we're starting to understand consciousness. We're starting to understand the the bigger picture. We've also got movements like the biohacking space, which people are trying to, you know, create longevity in their life, and I truly believe that it's all in divine timing. It's like AI, computers, technology. I think it's all in divine timing, and that we had planned this out from the spirit world. I truly believe that we've planned it out from the spirit world. So people who think that they're going to live to 180 or 150, you know, I think it's possible. I think there is a possibility that it can happen, and I do fully believe that what we're doing is we're bringing about possibility in medical advances and. It is about bringing those those minds and these massive minds and these intelligent beings, people coming to the earth to actually help the world. And I don't ask me why I'm talking about this, but it just feels like we are we are in this real big expansive space right now to actually understand that we're more than this speck, we're more than this tiny moment, and this divine timing is all orchestrated, and it's all orchestrated, and we're here for a reason.

Jannecke Øinæs 15:38

I actually interviewed Darryl Anka a few months ago, and he said that death will become irrelevant. And I thought that was interesting because I agree.

Lisa Williams 15:47

Yeah, that makes sense. When we expand our consciousness, all of a sudden we can see through the dimensions. And my grandmother could be here. I'm like, hello. I don't. I don't know if it could be that specific, but I guess that's how you live your life. Well, so it's interesting because recently, very, very, very recently, in the last few months, I have I truly believe, and I have said it for years. I wish I had a plug that I could put into my head, and you could actually see everything that I am seeing, or feeling, or experiencing, and I truly believe. And it may not happen in my lifetime, but I truly, truly, wholeheartedly believe that death will be this experience that we will just shift into a different. Well, we do. We shift into a different dimension, but I truly believe that beings on the earth will be able to experience what I experience on a daily basis without even question, and I and I do believe that we're starting to get to that point now. So because I'm now training lots of psychics and mediums who are coming into the world, and they they've been born with this gift. We've all been born with the gift, but they have been there. It's accelerated. That's the thing. It's so accelerated now.

Jannecke Øinæs 17:14

That's exciting. So speaking of your experience, how is it actually like? What I'm really curious about is how physically you are seeing these spirits. Is it more, you know, I imagine that in my mind like a shadow or an energy, or you just feel something, or is it like, okay, there's a spirit there, there's a man there, and I can't see the difference if he is dead or he is not

Lisa Williams 17:41

right. Okay, so so I think reality is is that we are using what is called mental mediumship. So we're using all of our five senses. So we're experiencing spirit coming in, and I point to this side because spirit comes in on my right side, and so as we bring them in, it's like it's like that. I can feel them, I can sense them. Sometimes I see them, but I know that they're there. And it's like me getting to have a telepathic conversation with someone I don't know. So let's talk your grandmother, for instance, because I I feel her here. Okay, my grandmother. Yeah, I do. I don't know whether you were close to her on your grand on your mum's side, but it's like I've got this woman coming in who is like she's like very close to you, and so as I'm bringing her in, what I'm doing, and she's got very excited. You know, she's very excitable. She's very happy to come in. Thank you. And she's, and when I said thank you, is because I heard. So it drops in in different ways. I heard that she always knew that you would do something amazing. She always knew that you you were destined to do bigger things, okay. And she was your biggest cheerleader, but she's also a tough lady. She had this strength about her, and so she shows me how she was in the spirit, how she was in the world. But she also shows me this real softness about you because were you her favourite?

Jannecke Øinæs 19:25

I wouldn't know. That's hard for me to say.

Lisa Williams 19:28

Well, I'm going to tell you she's given me this feeling of being favourite. Okay, so I'm just going to let you know. And as she comes in, she's not very tall. All right, she doesn't feel tall. She feels quite shorter, and that is a feeling for me. So she feels shorter. Doesn't mean I can physically see her. It means she's feeling shorter here. But she's a hard worker. She's strong. She's got this strength about her. Real, real. Strong character, and thank you. And she also just shows me, and she's showing me this visually in my mind's eye. That I don't know whether you're writing a book or you're writing your journaling or there's there's there's writing because she just talks about this writing the book, and what she's just shared is this writing that you're doing. She sits with you, and she's actually inspiring you from the spirit world because there's things that either you're not remembering or that you need inspiration for, but she's the one that's kind of pushing you a little bit to remember certain things. That's what she wants. Yeah. So she's she's and she just put her head down and she's just watching you. She's very and so it's like you see. So to give you context. I bring them in, and I want to embody them. I want to feel them. And reality is is is where I think a lot of mediums get mixed up. Is they get mixed up in language, and they're not choosing the right language, or they feel that it's sometimes hard to describe something that you would understand. So I do think that we have to embody it, we have to feel it, we have to be part of it. If that does that make any sense to you? It's like yes, you know, that's how it works.

Jannecke Øinæs 21:39

It does. She had a lot of temper. She's a feisty woman.

Lisa Williams 21:43

She's a strong woman, you know, but very soft when it comes to you.

Jannecke Øinæs 21:48

Yes,

Lisa Williams 21:49

very very caring and loving. But do not get on the wrong side of your grandmother. No, she's

Jannecke Øinæs 21:57

that is true. Yeah. Yes. Yes. So, speaking of her and the spirits, like I've been wondering about what is she doing now. Like her name is Mumo to me, Mumo and Beppy, her husband. They're both on the other side. Like, what are they doing on the other side?

Lisa Williams 22:19

Well, I literally just heard. I'm watching you right now, but it's a good question. So, what spirits we think in our human terms? We think in our very human terms. Like we have jobs, we have to fill our time. We have physical days, physical nights. We have normal, what we consider normal. In that world, they don't have time, they don't have constrictions, they don't have night, they don't have day. What they're doing is they're learning, they're being, they're experiencing. There's there's very little when I say emotion, there is emotion, but it's more-it's just love. It's pure aware. It's an awareness. I feel as though that's important to to share. That it's an awareness state, and in this awareness state, they can travel and they can be and they can be part, be with you. They can be with nature. They can go and learn. They can go and experience places. So, if we think of it in our human terms, what are they doing all day? It's like being on vacation in your favourite place, going where you want to go, doing what you want to do, experiencing life in the way that you want to experience it, but there is definitely, you know, moments where they look after children, or they're with the nature, or they're look at taking care of animals. So energetically, they're sharing their energy as well.

Jannecke Øinæs 23:58

How do you look upon multidimensionality? We hear a lot of talk about it now. So would they be able to be on the other side and perhaps have incarnated already to different planets, maybe as an insects? Who knows? Maybe as an alien. What are your perceptions about multidimensionality? And we we hardly don't speak about past lives anymore. It's more parallel lives and future lives, and everything is happening now. And it's hard to understand for the mind. So I'm curious how you think about it,

Lisa Williams 24:34

right? And you know, it's interesting because I think the mind keeps us in a construct. The mind keeps us in a way of thinking in a certain belief system. Personally, for me, I do feel so. It happens a lot when I've had somebody who said, you know, my son or my daughter or my husband or someone has passed, and I'm like, yeah, I can't, but I can't. Feel them, so it's like I can't feel. So if someone has reincarnated, I can't feel them, but I can still tap into the life that they lived, and it's almost like I think what I would call it like is that as we pass, we have this hard drive, and all of our memories, all of our thoughts, all of our feelings, all of our experiences go onto this hard drive. And then when we pass, we put it into the main computer in the spirit world, and that's all our data. Let's put it that way. And so if they've reincarnated, I can read the data of what they experienced, who they were, all of their life, but I can't get them. I can't physically feel them. Like I could feel your grandmother there, you know. I could feel her. I experienced her. I know that she's there. But there are some people I can't, and sometimes I'll actually say, "Listen, I can't get the person that you want, so what I'll do is I'll tap into the soul. I'll tap into the thread, and I do it through the client. So I actually go into the thread of the client, and I find the thread that leads them to the grandmother or whoever it is. And as I follow the thread, I'm like, and I'll go, and and then all of a sudden, it won't go into the spirit world, but it'll go back onto the earth, or it will go onto another planet, or it will go somewhere. And I'll be like, "Ooh, that soul! And then I'll be able to say, "Did your niece have a baby recently? Like, oh my god, yes, and named after your whoever it is. Yes, go and go and connect in with your niece's child because that is your grandmother, you know. And they'll be like, "No way! And then there's also that energy where I have read for so many people who are reincarnated who have had Very, very, like almost immediate lives that they have been part of a light. They were light beings, or they have been light beings, and they've been planted onto the earth. I've got a friend of mine, who I've got several people who I know who are light beings, and they speak light language, and I I know that they are, you know, when I tap in, I tap in to their yes, they've got physical people who have passed, but I can when I tap into their energy, I can tap them into different planets and different dimensions and different experiences that are not human, and it's it's so interesting, and I think the thing here for that I want to explain for everybody is our mind. It's our belief system. Our mind keeps us trapped. The mind is this construct of this is what happens, you know, religion, this, that, and the other. We have everything that is supposed to be, but when we break through those paradigms and break through those belief systems, we actually can experience energy in a whole different way, and we can go into a different dimension, different places by using our energy. As long as we allow our mind to explore and appreciate every possibility.

Jannecke Øinæs 28:26

Fascinating, yeah. I do believe that more and more light workers or star seeds are coming down to the planet because of the shift of consciousness.

Lisa Williams 28:35

Yes.

Jannecke Øinæs 28:36

Yeah. Yeah,

Lisa Williams 28:37

I truly believe that, and I think I'm starting to see it a lot personally, I'm starting to see it where people are having these awakenings, and it happened in one of my experiences where I was teaching trance mediumship, and this one woman suddenly she started giggling in a high pitched voice, and then she started speaking these random, you know, words that made no sense, and and she was loud, right? She was loud, and everything was quiet, and I was taking them through a deep trance, and she was loud, and she was like, "What was coming out of my mouth? And I went, "It's light language. I said, "You, you are a star seed. I said, "You are a star seed. You, this is a reason why you don't feel comfortable on this earth plane, she said. "I don't, and I said, "You don't feel comfortable. You don't understand it. Your mind is is keeping you in a construct of well, this is what should happen, but your soul is so much bigger. Your soul energy wants to experience life as what you know. I said this three-dimensional space for you is not good. You need to be in the 5d. You know, you need to go into the bigger space. And and she's like, well, what am I going to do? Am I going to die? And I'm like, no. You just need to find your people. You just need to find your people. So she, we gathered. A group of community, and I mean, all of a sudden, they're all speaking light language, all understanding each other, and I'm like, "Wow! But it's amazing. It's so incredible when we look at this that there are so many different beings that are walking amongst us. We used to just think it was angels, but now it's not.

Jannecke Øinæs 30:23

Yeah, it's crowded down here. I agree. Yeah, yeah. What is that greatest or most surprising validation you've received from a spirit that just blew your mind?

Lisa Williams 30:37

Oh my gosh! I think the one that comes to mind, which still gets me every day, is I had a woman that came to sit with me, and she was a preacher's daughter. So she was brought up in religion, very hardcore religion, and I brought her dad through, and I remember her dad walking down the stairs because where I was working, I had a stairway to the right of me, and he walked down the stairs with a Bible in his hand, and he started to flick through the Bible, and he said, "I want to try and find the place where you it says you can't speak to dead people. He found this place and he started, you know. I I I recited a Bible verse, and she said, and she looked at me like with big wide eyes, and then I said he passed on your birthday, and she said no, he didn't. I said no, he passed on the 19th of June, and she said how did you know? I said he passed on my birthday, because he was telling me I passed on your birthday, and I now believe. So it was so. That was the one thing that really shocked me was because he had lived in his mind so long in Bible and what the Bible had said, and and that it was wrong to speak to to dead people. It was wrong to have prof, you know, to have psychics. It was wrong to do the healing. And now here he is coming along and saying, "Well, yeah, my brain believes that, but I my soul knows it's something different. So I love it when spirit come through who were sceptics? Who were very religious? Who who were atheists or didn't believe? And suddenly they're coming through with information, and they're coming through in this with with spirit. I think it's amazing.

Jannecke Øinæs 32:33

Yeah, it truly is. Do you think that the state of mind we have when we pass it's influencing the experience we have right after we cross over. For instance, if you were an atheist, maybe it's all dark or black. Or if you believed that I've sinned and I'm going to hell and I will be punished for my sins, that that's what you immediately might experience.

Lisa Williams 33:02

I think it's an interesting question. I think there is a part of us that we go over with the same mind frame of what we lived. I absolutely agree with that, and which is why I've always said it is so important that you understand what you believe, and you truly believe it, and you you go into your core and you trust what you believe, because when you pass over, you're going to experience it. If that isn't a reason to live a good life, I don't know what is, and so, but I do feel that within, and let's put it into context in our community. Within a very short period of time, you start to see the bigger picture, because what's happening is we go over still attached to the mind. We go attached, still attached to the mind. But I've had it where so many people have said, "Oh my gosh, it's amazing! How could I have ever thought that this was not real. How could I have ever experienced something different on the Earth plane? Why couldn't we have experienced this on the Earth plane? But Earth is a place of learning emotional, our emotional space, our emotional freedom. We have to really understand emotions on this life, and so when we transport ourselves over into the other side, we transition. It's a very different experience, but we do we do go over for a very short period of time in the mindset of what we believe,

Jannecke Øinæs 34:35

and that's probably why we are familiar with the term ghosts. Is that ghost that they believe so much that they're actually still here or they're very attached to their lives.

Lisa Williams 34:50

Yeah, I've had I've had you know I've done a lot of ghosts things and I do believe that they they have a story to tell and they want to tell their stories so they. Between the worlds, and they cling into the space. You know, it's not very often it happens now, but I truly feel that ghosts, if I put it that way, more earthbound spirits are more in our history time. I don't feel that there's many from this life that are going to get trapped. I don't. I. It's interesting, and I've found that, and I found that, and you know, I'm begged to differ. I'm, I'm totally open to hearing other people's perspectives, but from my experience, the experience that I've had with hauntings are mostly back in time of history.

Jannecke Øinæs 35:42

Interesting. Is that because we might be collectively racing our vibration?

Lisa Williams 35:48

I believe so. I actually do. There's massive shifts in consciousness. I mean, we know about it. We've talked about it, and I do feel that what what is happening here is that we are bringing this shift in consciousness, so therefore there's more of an acceptance. You know, you talked about me bringing being a pioneer in this space. I was meant I was meant to come in as a pioneer along with John Edward, Jane Van Praagh. You know, there was a there was a a few of us at that time, and what we did is we just made people aware of, hey, we made it normal. We made it normal, and now you've got other mediums and different people who are making it, who are continuing on, but we're making it normal. So now more and more people are saying, I believe in that. I believe in that. I know that. I trust that. And so what's happening is our awareness and our consciousness is expanding, and so I think that's the reason why there's less spirits that get stuck in this place.

Jannecke Øinæs 36:50

And that is the good news. And many speak about the golden age, and yeah, a new reality, a more, much more expanded reality. And yet we see turmoil and we see chaos. And I've also heard you predict that actually 2028 and 2029 will be challenging.

Lisa Williams 37:10

Yeah, yeah.

Jannecke Øinæs 37:12

Would you would you like to share what you're seeing and what we can sort of brace for, prepare for?

Lisa Williams 37:19

Well, I like to see it as a roller coaster. Okay, so you know, and I I always like to when I get asked these questions, go into the moment at the time and see what's coming through, because and what I'm holding on to is like this old rickety roller coaster, and I feel like we've got a little bit of a roller coaster ride coming up. Certainly going into 2027, and then towards the end of 2028. I do think things will get easier in 2029, and I and I do feel that there's going to be a massive shift in consciousness in 2029 going into 2030, and I feel that whatever is happening, and I've got chills as I talk about it. Whatever is going to be shifting, it is going to be for the better. But we've got to-you can't have the shift without a polarity. So you have to have the hard times, the difficult times, the you know the times that is a little bit cautious. We're worried about before then, because otherwise we can't appreciate this shift. And I think there's a whole different paradigm and a whole different shift that's going to be happening as we go into 2030. And I do feel that there is a massive shift in this consciousness or awareness. I feel as though we're going to have breakthroughs in science. We're going to have breakthroughs in technology. We're going to have breakthroughs in so many different ways. It's actually going to scare a lot of people who can't adjust their mind, who can't think in the bigger picture. Which is again the reason why we've got people like Joe Dispenza, Tony Robbins, David Bayer. We've got all of these big visionaries, like you know Greg Braden, we've got the big visionaries who are talking about mind and who are trying to help people expand their mind because it's going to need to be expanded to accept what's actually going to be bringing in. Otherwise, there's going to be a massive divide, and there's going to be that divide of people who want to want the technology and the divide of people who don't want the technology, and it's going to be divided. So we have to be in this place of letting our brain expand because there's a bigger expansion that's going to be coming.

Jannecke Øinæs 39:35

But technology will be there 100% always.

Lisa Williams 39:39

Yeah, technology is going to be there, but there's also going to be this part. And what I truly feel is there's going to be a part of ancient technology. And when I talk about ancient technology, I talk about the breath, I talk about the mind, the meditation, the conscious awareness. I feel as though there is this. And again, I've got chills as I talk about this. I feel as though there's a shift of us going into the ancient medicine, which is our breath. The body can heal itself. The but the the way that we we are starting to communicate, the way that we're being held, the way that we're healing, and I actually feel that technology is going to be there, and you're going to have some people who rebel against it. But we have to embrace it because I do feel that we that science is catching up to spirituality, and it's almost parallel. And now technology is just going to be bought into it as well.

Jannecke Øinæs 40:37

And what about AI? What is your perspective on that? Do you have fear around that for the future, or do you think we will handle it? Yeah,

Lisa Williams 40:45

you know, AI is an interesting concept. I don't have fear around AI. I think AI. One of my dearest friends is big into AI, and she's also a psychic medium and an incredible one. And I think AI is here to help us, and as long as we're not scared of it, and as long as we use it responsibly, and we're not just sitting there on Google and and ChatGPT and googling where we, you know, because obviously the resources, but I do feel that we can use AI to help us, but I do think there's going to be some other shift that's going to happen. I think I think there's going to be something more advanced than AI that's going to come out, and I think that could actually scare more people.

Jannecke Øinæs 41:36

Okay, are you speaking about aliens?

Lisa Williams 41:40

I don't know. I mean, it's just one. I really just feel like there's something bigger than AI that's going to come. So I think there's AI in what we've got, you know. So we can go to ChatGPT and say, "Hey, write me a course. Boom, off it comes. But I do think there's going to be something that's a little bit more advanced, or AI is just going to keep getting more advanced, more advanced. And I do feel that that it's about embracing it. Either you're going to embrace it, or you're not, and it's up to the individual. It really is going to be up to the individual.

Jannecke Øinæs 42:15

Interesting. I wonder what could be bigger than AI.

Lisa Williams 42:19

I have no idea. I remember. So it's so funny because I remember saying to somebody, "I keep seeing you having this this documentary, but it's not a documentary. It's coming in mini, mini, mini things. And at the time, there was no miniseries. You know, these four part miniseries on Netflix. It was not. It wasn't even a. It wasn't even a thing. In fact, I don't even think Netflix was out. And now, guess what? There's the miniseries. So I see things way ahead that I can't really understand what they are because they haven't been a they haven't been around. So it's really hard, you know.

Jannecke Øinæs 42:56

But that makes so much sense. Yeah. Sorry.

Lisa Williams 43:00

No. Honestly, I think I think sometimes I could come out with all these wild ideas and become a millionaire based upon the things that come up in my head, like these miniseries. But I have no idea what they are because they haven't. They're not around it at the moment.

Jannecke Øinæs 43:16

Yeah, I mean, just imagine if I got a reading when I was 15 years old. Like you're going to be on this. It's not television, but you're sitting there interviewing on this. A lot of people like subscribe to you, and it's free. What? Right. Our students today are, and I find this interesting. They're being educated for a future we know Nothing about

Lisa Williams 43:41

correct.

Jannecke Øinæs 43:43

So how can they be educated in a way? I mean, I think the most important now is our intuition, and I know that you talked about it. That there's a cost if you ignore your intuition.

Lisa Williams 43:54

Yes, yeah, I agree. Your, I, I do think, and this is what I truly believe, I think Rudolf Steiner had it right. If we look at the Rudolf Steiner school system, it based it's based upon a very intuitive part of it. They have very very strong principles, and it is yes. So you have to learn your basics: reading, writing, you know, maths and things like that, but there is such a philosophy of human behaviour, human consciousness. I remember putting my son into the school and walking in into the reception area and finding a clear quartz crystal, and I was like, "Oh, I'm so happy, you know. And that watching how they were learning, which was all very physical. It was all experi all experience. So, and I agree with your statement. Is the fact that we are teaching children now based upon what we know now, but not what we have in the future. And so, I think using our intuition is going. To be a very very important thing, I think it should be taught in schools. I think, and it is starting to be taught in universities and and colleges and and things like that. But intuition is our survival. It's our way that we survive. It's the way that we trust. It's the way that we communicate everything that we do in life is based upon our intuition, and there are many people who are going around life blind and they're not listening to their intuition. But there are many people who are really standing in their power and listening to it and saying, "You know what? I shouldn't go down this road today, or I shouldn't do this. Or instinct leads me here. Or I don't trust this person. And I'm going to say to you, always trust your intuition because it's your survival mechanism. It's what keeps you alive in so many ways.

Jannecke Øinæs 45:56

Powerful. And I've heard you also say that we all have a purpose, and I'm thinking, what can be more important to learn in school on how to activate your purpose and tune into your purpose and find out what's unique about me? Is that something you see can come in the future as well?

Lisa Williams 46:18

You know, it's it's interesting because I'm writing a book on this right now, and many people think that we should have this big purpose, like I should have this big podcast, or I should be teaching about human consciousness, or I should be saving the world. And reality is, is that we are, we think our purpose should be this big, big, big thing, but our purpose is to show up and to overcome and learn our, you know, our biggest fears. We overcome emotions. We overcome. We have to learn certain things. We've come with a with an idea of what do I have to heal in this life, and that is one of our purposes. So we have to look at what is our lesson. What are we constantly needing to learn? The other part of it is sometimes we are the purpose to give birth to the next genius, or we are the person that has to support, you know, financially, or we have to be their CPA or their accountant or whatever to help that next person become the next world leader or visionary, and so we think that our purpose should be this big grand thing, but sometimes our purpose is just being. It is the purpose in the moment, because I truly believe our purpose changes. Like my purpose right now is to be Lisa Williams to talk about obviously spirit and consciousness and spirituality. My purpose in an hour's time will be something different. My my purpose will be something different later on this afternoon, but at those times my purpose can change. But my true essential purpose deep down, which is to love and to be and to be present, is never going to change. And I think it's it's it's a lot deeper than what we truly think it is. More simpler,

Jannecke Øinæs 48:26

yeah. And and I think it's about also being authentic, expressing your uniqueness, what really sparks joy in your heart, and that is different for all of us. And to be able to listen to what that is, because we've taught the other way around to listen to the expert out there, out there, out there. Right. Like go to a career guidance and ask, what should I do? You know, instead of feeling into what is right for me.

Lisa Williams 48:58

Right.

Jannecke Øinæs 48:59

Getting to know ourselves, I think, should be a great subject in school.

Lisa Williams 49:03

I agree, and people say to me, "How can I develop my spirituality? And I say to them, "Sit with yourself for 30 minutes a day. No phones, no nothing, no meditation. Sit in silence. Get to know you. It's going to be uncomfortable for the first few times. Get over that. Get to know you because that changes everything.

Jannecke Øinæs 49:28

What is the most important question we can ask ourselves right now?

Lisa Williams 49:38

I think one of the most important questions is how can I show up as my most authentic self in the world? What is it that I need to do? How do I need to show up? Not what my head is saying, not what society is saying, but what my internal compass is saying, "How do I need to show up? And I think when we can start asking that really powerful question of how can I show up in the world, I think people will start showing up very differently.

Jannecke Øinæs 50:18

Yeah. And what is the deepest spiritual insight you received throughout all these years?

Lisa Williams 50:24

Oh my gosh! I think the deepest spiritual insight is, and it changes. It's you know I've had many for consciousness. I've had many for the world. I've had many for myself. I think the deepest, which again is so simple, and it is so simple. The deepest insight is that we're all connected. We're all one. There is no separation. We are living in this construct of the mind, where our mind creates physical things like this. Pen is a physical thing, but we are actually all connected, and we are. I'm able to pick up an emotion of somebody else across the world. They're able to pick up an emotion of me. We live as one, and when we actually are able to really experience that, and we're able to be part of the matrix, part of the universe, part of the the the quantum, then we realise that that living in this world right now, and the things that we're collecting in the material way that we're living, is actually just a construct of the mind, and that was one of the deepest things that I got in my own spiritual development and my own spiritual searching.

Jannecke Øinæs 51:49

And some questions I ask everyone: What is self love to you?

Lisa Williams 51:56

Oh gosh, I love this question. Self love for me is loving every part of me. It's not about loving how I look or my body. It's loving every part of me. It's loving the shadow side of me. It's loving and honouring what I do in the world, how I show up. That is what self love is, and when you can really, really be sitting here comfortable in that space of really understanding who you are, then you are really getting to the depth of that self love and understanding that you have a purpose. You're here. You're you matter. You are. You're important, and that you are the most important person in your life. And that's what I think self love is. That was beautiful. What is God to you? Everything, God to me is everything. You know, I remember my son coming home from from a church thing and saying to me, "Mom, I'm really sorry, but I found Jesus. And I said, "Well, where was he hiding under a bush? And and he laughed and he looked at me like, "What? He said, "Well, you don't believe in it. You don't believe in God. You don't believe in. I went. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Just because I speak to spirit doesn't mean I don't believe. And I truly believe that God is everything. I believe in God. I believe that God is all there is. I believe that in the higher source, the higher power that He creates everybody with the unique He/She creates everyone with a unique personality gift presence, so that the earth can run exactly how it needs to run, and that's what I truly believe. I believe God is everything.

Jannecke Øinæs 54:04

And what is then the deepest meaning of life?

Lisa Williams 54:10

When we talk about life in this world, I think the deepest meaning of this life is to really understand the emotional capacity and the emotional freedom that we are allowed to have. We are here to experience life in an emotional, and physical, and material way, and how we are going to show up materialistically, emotionally, physically, spiritually, and what we do with it is up to us. It's our own. It's our own journey, and so I think the meaning of life is to really understand emotions, understand people, understand caring, compassion, life, love, kindness.

Jannecke Øinæs 55:01

That's wonderful, and it could be really helpful when you're in the midst of emotional chaos to remind yourself, "I came for this. I came to feel. I know. I chose this. I love that. Thank you so much. It's been wonderful having you back on the show. Could you please share a little bit about how people can connect with you if they want to learn more or if they want to? I don't know. Yeah, dive deeper.

Lisa Williams 55:29

Yeah, dive deeper. You know, I teach everything from mediumship, psychic, intuition. So everything along the roads. People can find me at lisawilliams.com. I'm on social media, Lisa Williams Medium. Just come along and join. I always say, come along and see see if it fits for you. You know, I think I think it's important to find your own teacher, find your own people, find your experience, your community. So whether it's through me or somebody else, I always say, go and find your tribe and be part of the tribe because it will it will be an experience and a joyful one.

Jannecke Øinæs 56:08

Lovely. I just felt like asking: Do we have a final message to our audience today?

Lisa Williams 56:17

Live life in the way that you feel is right for you. Live with compassion, kindness for yourself most of all, and sharing the love that you're here to bring. That's the true message that was just given to me. So yeah,

Jannecke Øinæs 56:32

thank you so much, Lisa.

Lisa Williams 56:33

Oh my God, thank you so much.

Jannecke Øinæs 56:35

It was so fun. Thank you.

Lisa Williams 56:36

So fun.