Dragon Wisdom for the Great Awakening! With Jack Morrigan

Jannecke Øinæs 0:00

Maybe many are thinking now, are you really meaning dragons, or are you saying metaphorically dragons?

Jack Morrigan 0:07

Yeah yeah. So I am literally saying dragons as mad as that is to believe. And I say this as someone who, even though I was having out of body experiences where I was literally meeting angels and talking to them like face to face, I didn't believe in dragons until, like, three years ago, I was an atheist, right? And I studied medicine and then psychology, like, I published scientific papers so that I can hear myself speaking, and I'm like, oh, it's all crap. You know, there's this, like, skeptical part of me still, and in some ways that's good, because it keeps me grounded the black dragon Gor Coronavirus, he's closely connected to the underworld and these topics that we're talking about. So I think you'll have some good insight. And I say this not to frighten anyone, actually the opposite you are going through what the Norse called ragnorg You are going through the end of days is often misunderstood as somehow the final ending, which it isn't. It's an ending. An ending brings a rebirth.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:23

Jack Morrigan, a warm welcome back to the show.

Jack Morrigan 1:28

Thank you for having me. It's lovely to be here.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:32

It's so lovely to have you back, Jack. This is your third time on the show, and that's because of popular demand, like people seem, especially my audience, seem to love your dragons, and I love them as well. Like you were the first one who actually brought the concept of dragons into my life. I thought that was from the fairy tales, but it the way you spoke about it when you channeled the wisdom that came through in the channel, channeling it just resonated with me and your story as well, how you were an atheist, and how you had your mystical moment and thought, you know, I'm going crazy, and then you start opening up to this. Then, you know, you had me there all along. Like I was like, Yeah, you know this, this can also be part of the magical universe we're part of. Why not? You know? Why not? It's just a stretch of my mind. But still today, I'd love, I wanted to have you back to speak even more about the dragons and also the different levels of awakening. The last time we spoke a little bit about our shadows, how we integrate the awakening, so we can actually understand more about the spiritual awakening that a lot of us find ourselves in on an individual level, on a collective level. But before we do that, for those who are new to you, it's maybe their first time hearing about dragons, could you please introduce us a bit to the dragons and you work with them?

Jack Morrigan 3:12

Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much for that introduction. So it's also great to be back again. It's wonderful to be here for a third time, like, I've really enjoyed these conversations, and we were reflecting a bit before recording about like the way that our lives have changed rapidly. And when I think back to last year, when we first spoke, which was about a year ago, you know, it was almost a year ago, right? I think it was maybe November or December last year, and just how much my life has changed since then, and how grateful I am that it's changed and that I've been able to share this pretty out there stuff with you and your audience. So my background is in science, really, like I was studying medicine for three years at Cardiff University. I was an atheist. I then had quite a spontaneous spiritual awakening, and that kind of opened everything up. So I came to all of this stuff with quite a skeptical mindset, but I had a kundalini awakening about about 11 years ago now, and it completely shifted everything. It's like it opened my third eye, basically, but I didn't believe in supernatural beings when this happened, so I was quite rapidly propelled into all these different levels of consciousness and different realities and different beings that live within those realities and. Yeah, without having a background in it, and without really believing in that kind of stuff. So it was quite, quite a shock to my system. And I think there'll be some of you who are listening to me now who are going, Okay, this guy says that he channels dragons. That's obviously not true. Or, you know, you're going to have your own opinion about that. And I say, you know, you're completely welcome to have whatever opinion you like. I'm not trying to force anyone to believe in anything. What I want to do is to share what has come to me. That sounds super cheesy, but that is the truth. So, you know, I didn't believe in any of this, and then I got thrown into this world where all of it became real, and it's been totally life changing. Having a connection with these beings has been like having like a therapist and a best friend and a spiritual teacher who's available to me 24/7 and just helping me along the way in my life and really guiding me, like giving me advice on the steps that I should take, like I live quite spontaneously, and in some ways, take quite a few risks in my life, but they kind of set it up and they're like, Okay, this is what's going to happen. This is what you need to do. This is what the outcome will be. We've told you about these things before, and it's happened, yeah? Like, so they make predictions about what's going to happen during the year for me and my life, like, I'm not very good at doing it like, kind of for the collective sometimes people think that I will automatically be able to do that, and I find that actually quite difficult to do. I see my role less as kind of providing those types of predictions and more, opening up people's minds in such a way that they can form their own connection with these beings and receive their own knowledge. You know, that's really my goal. And within the dragon medicine program that I'm doing, that's what I see. You know, it's not, it doesn't happen to absolutely everyone, but I do see people opening up to this, and they're starting to tap into the same sources of information that have become available to me. But yeah, I I'm not sure if I really answered your question there.

Jannecke Øinæs 7:38

Well, I can't, I can't remember what my question was, um, but I am curious, because maybe many are thinking now, are you really meaning dragons, or are you saying metaphorically dragons, or is it actually dragons? Dragons, like we know them from the fairy tales, yeah,

Jack Morrigan 8:00

yeah. So I am literally saying dragons as mad as that is to believe. And I say this as someone who you know, even even though I was having out of body experiences where I was literally meeting angels and talking to them, like face to face, even though that was happening to me, I didn't believe in dragons until, like, three years ago, because, you know, things started happening. Like, I think I've told you about this before, but there was a time when I was walking through London shortly after the Kundalini awakening, and the dragon did come up to me and told me that it was my dragon and it was green. And I was like, Okay, I've lost my mind. That's what's happened. Like, like, I can just about believe in angels, I can't believe in dragons. Like, that's too big of a leap. But then it was when I was in Sicily that someone reached out to me and gave me a reading, and they were like, Oh, you've got a really strong connection to dragons. And I was literally thinking, like, What the hell are they talking about? Are not another dragon person? Like, I was thinking like that, like, Oh, if you believe in that, then you must be mad. And then they were like, yeah, you've got this strong connection to dragons, but there's one that's the most, the strongest connection in their green. And I was like, Oh no. Like, now I have to believe in dragons as well. Like, I was already weird. Like, did this have to get weirder? Like, this is already hard enough to try and explain to people. But after that conversation, so during the conversation, I could feel a very strong energy moving, which was telling me that what she was saying was true. And then I went outside, and there was a rainbow outside, which is, you know, obviously a sign of something significant. And then I connected with the dragons to the rising rose very shortly after that.

Jannecke Øinæs 9:59

So. This is, sounds like a stupid question, but where do they live? Do they live in Dragon land? Like, I don't know where to put them.

Jack Morrigan 10:09

Yeah, that's a really good question. And I mean, I don't fully have the answers to that the way that they talk. So okay, they say that the cosmos is a single living being, right? And the dragons of the rising rose connect to different chakras. So there's a red root chakra Dragon, there's an orange Sacral Chakra dragon that it goes through all of them, right? And what they will say is, we are part of the cosmic chakra. So the red root chakra Dragon is part of the cosmic Root Chakra. And he would say his body is located inside the cosmic Root Chakra. So imagine that, like the cosmos is unimaginably vast, right? But that it has a center. It has a middle, a heart, just like a living being, it has this heart, which is like the center of its life force, and that's where the chakras are based, like in the middle in us. It's like in the center of our body, right? It's in the center the middle. And you can imagine it being the same for the cosmos, but those chakras are going to be enormous, like they will be the origin of all of our chakras, right? So then there's like a focal point for that chakra, which is in the center of the cosmos, and that's where they say their body is. But then their neck, the long, winding neck that dragons usually have, extends out from that chakra, and it moves through different parts of the cosmos, just like either energy centers in the body or arteries moving out of the heart, you know. So then they're taking the life force of that cosmic chakra, and they're delivering it to different parts of the cosmos, just like an archery does within the body, or like a river does when you think of like rivers in the ocean. So these dragons, the dragons of the rising rose, they are some that come to the earth. So they move through many different places, but one of the places that they move through is the earth, and they're just like arteries bringing the life blood of that cosmic chakra to the earth.

Jannecke Øinæs 12:49

Wow, wow, fascinating. Um, how long have humans known of them? Do you have any or Have you received any information about how long they have been here, in a way, communicating with us, because we have seen them, you know, in the fairy tales, but also in history books and all that in our history. So it seems like you know, mankind has picked up on this somehow,

Jack Morrigan 13:18

yeah, and that's something that my logical mind can kind of get behind with this whole idea of the dragons, right? Because logically, I can look around at all the different cultures of the earth, and I can they, almost all of them have dragon images or myths. And it's like, Why? Why that? That's a very specific image and creature like, why do we all have that like? And presumably, lots of those cultures weren't in contact with one another when they were creating those stories. So where's it come from? And one of the dragons that I connect to, he's been, he's been the most kind of articulate about this. Two of them have spoken about it directly. So one of them, the green dragon of the heart, Balthazar, he's spoken about being part of Lemuria. So, like ancient civilization going back many 1000s of years, and that he played a role in certain Lemurian societies, and that at certain times in the history of the Earth, dragons could physically incarnate as dragons and walk the earth. He also said that he had incarnated as a like a high priest of one of these societies, kind of like a priest of the dragon, like to help that society to form a deeper connection with with the cosmos and one of. The the Root Chakra. Dragon. Vea has spoken about the time of Atlantis, and that he supported a group of Atlantean mages called the order aspiriatus. That's the order aspiriatus. It's really in it's funny talking to you about this, because there's, I was an atheist, right? And I studied medicine and then psychology, like, I published scientific papers so that I can hear myself speaking, and I'm like, oh, it's all crap. You know, there's this, like, skeptical part of me still, and in some ways that's good, because it keeps me grounded. You know, I'm sometimes I see spiritual people get very caught up in these ideas, and it can be very ungrounding. You know, it's kind of, there can be an escapism to finding out about these different deities and different forms of life. So it's important to stay grounded. And that's kind of how I feel with this. You know, there is, there's still a part of me that's a little bit kind of skeptical and cautious,

Jannecke Øinæs 16:17

right? So let me ask you that skeptical question, how do you know that it is true and that you're not just stepping into, like the fantasy part of your consciousness?

Jack Morrigan 16:29

For sure? No, I mean, it's a really good question. It's something that I I kind of, I do ask myself, so the main thing is the energy so I can feel the energetic shift when they come in. I can feel like the first time that I made contact with them. It felt like a wall of energy, like rushing toward me from the other side of the room, like hitting me. So it's very obvious, you know that something had happened, and then, you know, I've been channeling beings in one way or another, or communicating with them for over 10 years. So they taught me very early on how to recognize different energy signatures. So they would come to me and they would say things to me like, this doesn't sound like your voice in your mind, does it? So I'm hearing it in my own mind, and be like, This doesn't sound like it's yours, does it? And I'm like, No, not really. It's like, yeah, that's because this isn't actually your voice, right? You can feel the difference, can't you? And then I'd like, sense it, and it's like, yeah, I can feel the difference. There's just a different energetic quality. And they're like, Yeah, that's because I'm not you. I'm communicating with you through your mind. You know, feel my energy, get a sense of my energy signature, you know, get to know me, and they would explain it to me in lots of ways to help us build trust together like they would never, kind of, they always made sure it was my choice, and they kind of taught me to take my time in forming connections with them, you know, so that it all felt very safe within my body, like, and they would introduce themselves. They'd say who they are, like a little bit about themselves, you know, it was all there's a kind of formality to it, like every time I channel the dragons, they will always say their name. They will always give an introduction to who they are and from They do that because it's just important to be clear, because, you know, you can connect with other things, and you know, it's not always positive.

Jannecke Øinæs 18:57

I was thinking about that because you seem to be surrendering, or maybe you have to surrender. I don't know when you're channeling that there is a surrendering part that you can't you know, fight it. You can control it. So you sort of have to surrender, to let it flow through. But then it's important to know that it is a good energy, like a positive or benevolent energy, but maybe you can discern the difference,

Jack Morrigan 19:26

yeah, and that was something that just took time and trust, you know, like I wasn't channeling them at the beginning. It was just like kind of initial connections, initial conversations. So it's these, the relationships I have with these dragons has built up over years, and the relationships with some of the other deities that I'm connected to has been, you know, like 10 years, building trust gradually over time. And yeah, of course, it does take a huge amount of trust, especially to do like a public channeling that's going to be watched by. 1000s of people, you know, like, I need to be very relaxed to allow it to happen.

Jannecke Øinæs 20:08

Can I ask? Like, how do you deal with, like, skeptical people? I see you have your own YouTube channel, and I noticed it myself sometimes that there are some videos where people are having a lot of emotions they want to express in the common field. And I, you know, 99.9% I say, yeah, go ahead, you know, say what you mean, but just be polite. But I remember there was one video where it just took off. It was just too negative towards my guest, and I had had to turn the comment field off because I thought it was very mean. What came forward, and then it's not constructive anymore. As long as it is constructive feedback, then it's good, and we can all disagree. But when it becomes mean and low vibrational and not support, like, not, not, not healthy. Then I just had to protect my guest. And then I was thinking, wow, like, I really, it really dawned on me how much I actually respect what you're doing, because you gotta have a lot of feedback, that it's not positive,

Jack Morrigan 21:25

yeah, like, it's most of it is really positive, right? But like, my, I think I've mentioned to you about my childhood, like, I didn't have a very good childhood, so, like, I'm pretty sensitive to criticism, and like, I'm one of those people who, like, if there's 100 comments and 99 of them are really positive, and one of them's bad. I'm focusing on the bad one. You know, yeah, there's two of them, yeah, yeah. And like, it's good that we're talking about this, because I think sometimes, like, I'm like, I'm stepping into this role of being a spiritual teacher, right? And I think historically, there's been a lot of kind of hiding from the reality of our humanity within spiritual teachers, like we'll act like we don't get affected by the comments, because that's the expectation. So we kind of play to the expectation, right? And that's not my, that's not my reality. Like, I do get affected by that stuff. Like, and it's, it's a lesson. Like, I also, like, I'm, you know, the the beings that I'm connected to have been telling me what my life journey is gonna be like for years, and it's and you know, when they first started telling me this, like I wasn't talking publicly, or anything like I was just living my life, working as a psychology researcher, but they gave me visions of where my life would go, and it included things like this that I'm doing right now with you talking in this interview. And obviously it takes a lot of steps to kind of build up that personal resilience to the level where I'm doing, you know, talks in person with lots of people and, you know, things are expanding. So it's very vulnerable and doing what I'm doing, and I feel like I'm being trained through these life experiences to become stronger and to kind of realign where I'm kind of putting the power, you know, because, like, if someone says a negative comment, I'm the one choosing to believe in that, You know, like, and I will tend to choose to believe the person who's saying the negative thing and then dismiss the people who are saying the positive thing. But then that says a lot about the way that I'm conditioned and, like, the way that I view myself and reality, you know. So it's like, I can see that happening, and although it's in some of it's kind of outside of my control. I can also be like, Ah, okay, I don't want to play that game. I don't want to give someone power over me in that way, like I know that this is what I'm supposed to be doing. So why can't I just allow myself to do it, you know, and put the power there, instead of in somebody else's opinion of me.

Jannecke Øinæs 24:23

And that is, that is wisdom for all of us. You know how we compare each ourselves with it other people, how we feel lesser than or they say something about you. We take it in as truth. But you know you could say to me, I'm blue, you could say I'm white, you can say I'm green, but I'm still yanika, like, I'm still the same. You can say all these things about me, but I'm still just me. So it is what we make about that. Oh, I'm blue. Oh, no, is that good? Is that bad? Oh, blue, you know, like it is actually neutral. Yeah, it's what we make out of it. Like you're saying, what power we're giving it. And I love that you're so vulnerable and open about that, because sometimes I feel like, since we're online, we can just write everything, but politeness still has to be online as well, not just like when we meet people, it's we're usually more polite with each other. And then when we come online, we're just like, and that's not being conscious, you know? And I think it's just so important that we recognize that in ourselves, like, is this, what is my intention? We're writing this comment because it's actually a person who is going to read this, who has some good intentions here, who wants to share something, and I feel it's very important that we get this across, because I was just holding a speech yesterday in Oslo, and there were a lot of skeptics. There. Some were ridiculing a bit. And I was thinking, and I was speaking about, like, how I interview people who are channeling? And they said, you know, channeling that sounds so crazy, but then I was saying, but imagine what they're actually going through. They're putting themselves out there. A lot of friends are rejecting them. They are receiving ridicule like they are standing in a storm, and they're still doing this, and they're not super rich by doing this. So their intention is to share something real for them, and the most important thing is, is it resonating what they're saying or not? But don't judge the person. Don't judge the messenger. So I think it's many ways to to look at this and and it's an important conversation to have that, you know, this is not just super easy for you guys to do, and it's so much respect from doing that. I just wanted to say that.

Jack Morrigan 27:04

Thank you so much. I really appreciate it is I'm trying to, you know, relevant to the conversation, like I'm trying to let that land in me, to really feel that. Because I think I kind of, I dismiss it or I kind of play it down, you know, like I forget what a big deal it is and how vulnerable it is. And partly that's a good thing, because it's like it's become normal for me now, like it doesn't feel so weird, like if I'm doing it in a new situation, it can still feel a little bit kind of and notice I'm a bit more tense. But it is a vulnerable thing to do. I think it's I have more people around me now who accept it like That's funny, actually, because when I go to social events, like, people in my social circle have, like, started to, you know, know what I do, and I find it interesting and stuff. So sometimes I'll go to a party and like, someone I don't know will come up to me and be like, Oh, you're the dragon guy. And I'm like, my ego kind of likes that. It's like, that's a cool title that I have, you know, like that kind of makes me feel interesting, but mostly I I withdraw. It's like, like, I kind of don't want to be known as the dragon guy. You know, I'm not here as the dragon guy. I'm just here talking with my friends. You know, I'm an ordinary person, but I'm glad that I have the circle of friends that I do where I can literally talk about that, you know, it's like I feel uncomfortable about that, and I'm not really sure why. I think the people around me are a lot more comfortable with it than I am.

Jannecke Øinæs 29:04

Well, like I was saying, it resonates. You know, the wisdom that is coming through is pretty profound, and speaking about that, I feel like a responsibility to speak about what I promised we were going to speak about in the beginning. I just love speech. Love speaking with you, Jack, integrating our awakening and levels of awakening. And I don't know if we should bring the dragons, dragons, sorry, forward or if you want to speak to this.

Jack Morrigan 29:37

So I'll speak to this. I'll try and keep it brief, and then I can bring the dragons through. And I think that the most likely the dragon that will come through will be the black dragon, who is Gorky. I remember I brought the white dragon through for you, and looks like the dragon that is above the dragon of the heavens and gore. Is like the counterpart to the black dragon above, the white dragon above. Sorry, he's like the black dragon below. So he has a much kind of deeper, darker, richer quality to him. He's excellent for energetic protection and shielding and releasing stuck energy so cleansing. I'll bring them through in a little bit. I just wanted to talk a little bit about these different stages of awakening and me moving through them, because I think that's an important part in this. Because it's not just that. I kind of woke up one day and I just started channeling dragons. I actually went through many years of spiritual shifts myself, which are ongoing, but it began. Typically, awakening is described in three levels. There's a teacher called Adyashanti who uses this way of talking about it so he talks about the head, the heart and the gut awakening. And this kind of fits with these classical ways that human beings awaken. So we often awaken first to the witness consciousness, so we can start to realize that there's a part of us that never changes. That is constantly witnessing what is happening within our life, and it's always there. It's just completely still and silent and present, and we can start to kind of lean back into that. And that's what happened to me. I heard about this type of consciousness, and I kind of followed some simple practices, and then I was in that state in a kind of abiding way for a few months. And what it's like is like you're just watching a movie. It's like you're just back here and life is unfolding, and just watching a movie, and I had, like, quite a difficult childhood, like I mentioned, so that was a real relief, because, like, I wasn't it wasn't really experiencing all the turbulent emotions that I'd been stuck in for such a long time, but also everything was very flat and distant. I felt very life was very far away, you know. And then that kind of evolved into the next stage, kind of by itself, what Adyashanti talks about, it dropping down from the head into the heart, and that's kind of what happened for me. It's like I realized that that emptiness was kind of missing something, and then it fell into my heart, and it just felt like this incredibly deep sense of intimacy with life, where before I'd felt all the way back here, I now felt like I was like in it, and my heart started to open. And I remember, just like seeing images of saints who were in a similar state of consciousness, and it was just obvious. You know, sometimes if you look at like Hindu saints. There's a woman called Ananda maitma, who would just sit and in devotion, like her heart just completely open, and you can almost see it like her devotion radiating out of her body. I remember just looking at images of her just crying after having not being able to cry for years, and then, just like everything opening up and feeling so close to everything and almost not being able to tell the difference between myself and someone else you know, and then it dropped down deeper into the gut and kind of below. And for me, that was this descent into the underworld, this which I've mentioned to you before, but like a a descent down into the depths of the earth. And that's something that can happen to us, where it's like our mind is going on this journey through these different levels of ourselves, and it's having these spiritual realizations along the way, and when it goes really deep into the heart of the earth, what happened to me was I realized that I am the world like so I I am the world, I am the cosmos. I'm one with all of these things. And somewhere along the way, during that everything opened up with, you know, other beings, like angels and dragons. But those realizations kind of also include those beings. So to me, like when I'm channeling dragons, I know that I am the dragon, like. I that realization remains intact. So like they're they're just a different aspect of the one cosmic self that we all are, and that kind of, that's my experience with them. I kind of, I rattled through that pretty quickly. So I don't know if that that was too quick for all of that information

Jannecke Øinæs 35:22

well, but I thought it was beautiful. And do you think that we're all going through that process of awakening, that these are, like, general levels we go through

Jack Morrigan 35:35

generally with the generally, like underlined like, a couple of times, because everybody experiences it differently. Some people do it the other way around. So they start from the ground and go up. Some people that will kind of, one of them will come like, there's quite a lot of men, for example, will tend to kind of get stuck in the head. There's a lot of men, like in the non duality movement, for example, who are having this witness consciousness awakening, and then thinking that they're enlightened, and they're like, Well, you know, I've realized emptiness. So I guess this is it. This is the awakening. This is what I was looking for, right? This is what the Buddha experienced, and sometimes getting stuck in that place for a really, really long time, like years and years, or going through it for a certain amount of time, like I did, and noticing that it there was something missing, and then the next stage kind of clicking in. But it is different for everyone. And it's not that like it has to be any certain way. You know, the important thing is following your way.

Jannecke Øinæs 36:45

Yeah, I think it's always the next stage or always something more. It seems like it's never like, oh, that goal.

Jack Morrigan 36:58

Yeah, exactly like I used to want to be enlightened, like that was kind of, you know, I heard about it, and that was, I almost wish I'd never heard about it, because it would have been easier. But, yeah, and I felt like I was striving after this thing, and if I get it, then everything will be okay, you know. And over time, the need for that kind of falling away and being like, well, I don't, I don't even know what that would mean. Like, all I know is, like, what's happening now, and like, I'm just going with whatever's happening and trying to be as kind of authentic to what is happening as I can,

Jannecke Øinæs 37:42

yeah, and I think that's all we can do, like, accept the moment, be in the moment, because what is in the moment is, is what is supposed to be in the moment. I feel like it was real. It was happening. And I think if we're resisting the moment, and I should be awakened, I should and should I think that's where we we get a bit lost, because the the moment is so raw and real, it's and it's true

Jack Morrigan 38:10

sometimes, yeah, and the moment can be really ugly, like that, that kind of going into the underworld, like that stage of things. For me, it's like, okay, okay, right? I'm gonna actually see myself as I am, right? I start to see the ways that I create, the problems that I blame other people for, like, start kind of pulling those projections back. I mean, like, oh, okay, actually, I really like drama in relationships, and I'm creating that, like, and then I'm blaming the other person, and it's like, oh, God, I kind of that's a bit ugly, right? That's not That's not pretty, but it's true. So, you know, kind of choosing truth over what sounds nice. It's a difficult pill to swallow, but that's, I think it's essential that we all do that and get really honest and humble and be like, Oh God, I kind of creating a lot of problems for myself and everyone else

Jannecke Øinæs 39:23

I love that you're speaking to that. Because I think a lot of us are like, Oh, I can recognize that in myself. Oh, gosh, yeah, I just the other day, I just had no I was not in a good mood, like everything was just felt heavy and dark. And somehow that that was reflected by the woman I was buying flowers from, who like was not treating me in like a respectful and nice way. And I immediately did not, then treat her nicely back. And it was like, no. It. This is the law of attraction, just hitting my face, and I saw that, and I sort of couldn't pull myself out of that negative vibration, because I was really in that vibration. But I managed to observe it, and I managed to observe everything and be aware that this happened. I see how this mechanism is happening. I see the law of attraction, but I wasn't able to correct it there. And then, okay, so let's let me forgive myself for that. You know, not pretty.

Jack Morrigan 40:36

I'm so glad that you're sharing about that. I'm just going to say I'm I'm just so glad that you're sharing about it, because I think more people need to hear this. I think there's so much pressure on people to be some kind of perfect person, and I don't think it's healthy. I think it's really unrealistic. I think those of us who are speaking publicly about spirituality and we all have a kind of duty of care, really, to to people where our honesty is their permission to be human. Oh yeah. And I think, you know, it gives relief to people. It's like, Oh, okay. So okay that I had a crappy day and I treated someone badly, like I'm a human being. It happens like I do that, and it's going to keep happening. It's not going to stop like we try our best, right? But we're never going to be perfect, and I that honesty is worth more than our attempt to be perfect.

Jannecke Øinæs 41:40

Yes, I so agree. I so agree. I never forget when Neil Donald Walsh said to me that I teach others what I need to learn myself,

Jack Morrigan 41:52

that I feel that way.

Jannecke Øinæs 41:56

All right, should we welcome the dragons or some of the Dragons Yeah,

Jack Morrigan 42:01

I think this is a great, great moment, because the black dragon Gor Corona, he's closely connected to the underworld and these topics that we're talking about. So I think you'll have some good insight. So I'll, I'll go into my channeling. What's the right word? I channel dragon light language to bring them through. And then he'll say his name three times so you'll know that he's here, and he'll give a little introduction to himself. And then then we can have a conversation. Okay, I'll bring him through now. Oh, just while I'm doing this, some of you will be sensitive energetically, and might be able to feel the shift in energy. So see if you can notice, because, like, it's a bit weird because, like, obviously, you're seeing a human being, but feel the energy difference because it isn't a human being that's gonna be here, be speaking through me, obviously, but it's not me and and see if you can sense The energetic difference for

Jack Morrigan 43:24

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Jack Morrigan 43:30

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Jack Morrigan 43:41

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Jack Morrigan 43:50

just tuning my consciousness in ya Narayan. See if you can notice. But let me give my full introduction. So I'm still in the process of bringing myself into Jack's form. Takes a moment I am go, chorus, core. Core is core. Core is so I'm Black Dragon of the rising rose. I am part of the void, and the black dragon is the underworld. So you can think of me something like a protector, a protector. A deity, using the analogy earlier of the heart and the arteries and the veins from the heart. So you can imagine that the white dragon, you could say, is like an artery, because it's bringing oxygenated blood to the cells of the body, so that they have the oxygen that they need to live and grow. I'm more like the vein, which is what takes the the waste products out of the cell and back through the body for it to be cleansed. So I'm more something that takes away. I take away what you don't need. I take away what is harmful to you. And that's why I'm a protected deity, because the only reason that anything can cause you harm is because there's some level of conditioning within you that is agreeing to it. It's that shadowy area of yourself that you're not conscious of that's saying, Yes, I would like pain and suffering. You know, it's almost like the holes in your energy field that where you're kind of welcoming unpleasant experiences, but you're not conscious that that's what you're doing. So I can protect you by helping to make you aware of those places and also taking away any of the stuck energies there, and then make you more conscious. And as you get more conscious, then obviously you're like, Well, I don't want to create these things for myself, and then you don't, so you're safer, you're protected. So that's much of what I am. My energies are in much more strongly now. So that's good. I'm also a masculine being. So in terms of the dragons of the rising road. I'm something of a father. This energy, for some people, is a little bit triggering. If you've had negative experiences with masculine people or father figures, or whatever it may be, may feel a little bit triggering. On the other hand, it may be feel like a big relief, because, generally speaking, in your world, there is a significant lack of this protective father figure. You know, all too often the father is something frightening and dangerous. And I just want to say that the place that I'm coming from, it's a place of very peaceful protection. When people hear words like black dragon and Underworld, they might create an idea of who and what I am, even if they're not conscious of it, which is seeing me as a threat in some way, and I'm just trying to kind of negotiate a sense that actually I'm here to help, and you're welcome to interact with me, not however you see fit. I do not wish to push anything on anyone. Thank you, janeke, for for having the dragons at the rising rose back and for your own openness to this quite unusual dimension of human evolution.

Jannecke Øinæs 48:32

Thank you for being here. And since you talk about the underworld, and that is sort of your, your, I don't know territory or expertise in a way. Could you speak to shadow works a bit because I've been investigating shadows in myself and Shadow Work in general, and what I've come to is that it's important not also to get lost in all the shadow work and lose sight of, you know, the positive thinking and the light work. So I've come to that I need a balance, because if I only go into shadow work, I can get a bit dark and it I discover more and more traumas, and I can get a bit lost in it. So I find it health helpful to also do the light work. Think positively on the future. Visualize my future, the vision board, the whole shebang when it comes to the light work. So could you speak a bit to that? Is that both have I come to something that that makes sense,

Jack Morrigan 49:46

absolutely, 100% absolutely, definitely, yes, and that's one of the reasons why I work with the white dragon that she and I are, one that. We we flow together. So, yes, absolutely it. You can get lost in shadow work, because that darkness down there can kind of it's like what you're doing in Shadow Work is you're bringing the light of your consciousness into the shadowy reason regions of the underworld. It's your underworld, but it's like, kind of going down into the basement and the darkness that's down there. You know, you're using the light to illuminate what's down there, but it almost like there's only so much light here. And as you illuminate things, some of the light kind of goes away a bit. So if you just go down here, you can go down there with really good intentions, and then kind of, you're giving your light away, you're illuminating. And it's like, okay, this is difficult, but it's, it's productive, but then it can you lose, you lose that light. And what you're saying, I think, is that okay, I did that for a while, and it was too much. So then what I did was I came back up and I gathered some more light. I did some things up here, maybe something a bit more kind of creative and joyful. I'm more charged up, and then I go back down again, you know. And then you illuminate more, and then you're kind of going doing this back and forth movement, and that's much like breathing. It's like you're breathing in and out. You wouldn't just want to breathe in.

Jannecke Øinæs 51:29

So we can't just work with the light either. We need to also look at the difference, right?

Jack Morrigan 51:36

Yes, the light provides love, the dark provides wisdom. So if you only work with the dark, you can be very wise, but you can also be very cold. If you only work with the light, you can be very, very bright, but you lack insight. So love without wisdom actually can cause a lot of pain, because it can be very well intentioned, but it's actually not skillfully wielded, because it's not wielded by wisdom. Likewise, wisdom, which is not being wielded by love, can be brutal and harmful.

Jannecke Øinæs 52:21

Wow. That makes so much sense. I'm feeling it in my chest, and I remember now the story about this man that asked for wisdom. God, give me wisdom. And he experienced challenges after challenges after challenges. That makes so much sense now. Wow, yeah, all right, protection. You are the dragon of protection. Do we need to protect ourselves? Is that sort of a tool we need to have in our toolbox that I need to protect myself from negative energies? Or will that create things I need to protect myself from,

Jack Morrigan 53:05

good question. So let's say that protection can come from two places, or it can be motivated by two forces. Protection that's motivated by fear is the one that you're talking about at the end of what you were saying there, because you are trying to run away from what you are afraid of. You know, you are trying to push it away, and you're calling it protection. So that's not true protection, which is the other form that I would like to point to, true protection is not in resistance to life. So the form that I was talking about before, it's like you're afraid of something. You don't want it to be that way. There's a tension in it, and then you try and push it away. You're trying to force that thing away. And there's a time and a place for that. And as you develop as a being, you're going to use that in certain ways, and that's okay. I'm not here to to judge that or so that it's never right to do that. You may be in a very dramatic situation, for example, a difficult relationship, and you need to push someone away, that's okay. I'm not saying that you shouldn't do that. Trust yourself, but there's a much deeper form of protection, which comes from the total acceptance of life exactly as it is. So you completely accept the reality of life. Now this acceptance needs to be understood. This acceptance does not mean that you don't protect yourself in certain ways, right? So I'm talking. And there's a difference between accepting the nature of reality and tolerating terrible behavior from other people, right? But I'm saying that in your core, there is a sense of accepting life as it is, and this is actually a very high form of protection, because when you're doing that, you're not attracting in more of the negative, there's a sense of inner peace.

Jannecke Øinæs 55:42

Um, as we're recording this, we are in the end of 2024 could you give some advice on now, as we stepping into 2025 maybe you could say something about the energies coming, or some advice on, sort of, how to stay grounded, how to stay in our hearts, to Yeah, not to lose ourselves in polarization and everything that's going on in the world, and to be part of this Great Awakening in supportive and positive and healthy way?

Jack Morrigan 56:24

Yes. So I'm just moving a lot of energy through Jack's system so that I can answer this question. Some of again, some of you who are sensitive will be able to feel that I'm doing this. So I encourage you to just bring your mind to the ground beneath you, because that's where I'm bringing the energy from deep, deep down in the core of the Earth. I'm bringing energy up, and this is actually really important to what I'm going to say. So yes, there are coming storms, if you like, for humanity, there are going to be parts of the earth that are going to get really, really difficult. And I say this not to frighten anyone actually the opposite. So you are going through what the Norse called Ragnarok. You are going through the end of days, and you have been for quite some time. If you think about COVID, you think you know disease spreading all over the world. You think of wars. You know, the the signs of the ragnorak are here, but that this, again, I say this not to disturb anyone's minds, because there have been many Ragnaroks throughout the course of human history. There have been many beginnings and endings. Think of the Roman Empire when Rome fell, the Romans must have felt like it was Ragnarok and indeed it was, it was for them, but then that gave birth to something new. So this idea of Ragnarok or apocalypse is often misunderstood as somehow the final ending, which it isn't. It's an ending, an ending. So an ending brings a rebirth. So think of it that way. Try not to focus so much on the fear of the ending and more on the wonder at what could be after this. Now I'm not able to move specifics through Jack's mind. I would sorry I'm purging some energy from his system. I'm not able to give too many specifics. I hope that in future, through working with him, I'm going to be able to bring through more specific information the moment his level of trust isn't high enough in me that I could say these things through him. So I'm being a bit vague, and I apologize. However, I can give some general advice for moving through 2025 in the coming years. It will you will always be able to apply this advice. So it's quite general, so just feel into it. Now, what I'm doing inside Jack's body is, I'm creating an opening into the collective consciousness, into the collective underworld. And this is where the energies that aren't resolved are giving rise to this ragnorak, if you like, the huge amounts of disturbance that you're seeing in your world is because the collective unconsciousness, the underworld is not it doesn't have enough light in it. It's been pushed down and blocked away by so many people for so many centuries that. That it has these huge waves of chaotic energy moving through it that become manifest as vast collective disasters. Now the way forward is to bring the light of your consciousness into the underworld. It gives more light to that place, and it creates it's almost like a volcano. You know what like when it's venting? It's like your body becomes this way that the collective consciousness vents, like through your the light inside of you that releases some of the pressure in the collective and reduces the harm caused by this turbulent kind of explosion. There's only so much each of you can do individually, so please don't put pressure on yourselves as if you are responsible for the collective, because you aren't, but you can play a part, and when you play that part, it makes your life safer. So the Earth is a single living being, and she is moving each of you in your life path, those of you who have more density and a contributing to this, the underworld chaos, you're more likely to be in situations that are connected To that chaos, so you're more at risk. Oh, I Okay, the screensaver came on.

Jack Morrigan 1:01:50

So you're more at risk, right? The people who are doing that are more at risk, essentially, the less conscious people, in a way, I don't want to put it in those terms, but essentially, so, those of you who have the courage to go down into this underworld and release this energy, your whole system is lighter, so it's not as connected to these chaotic events. So things will happen in your life that move you away from them, and you'll be safer. So I say this just to give some practical advice and to be real about you know what can happen and what you can do to help.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:02:38

Thank you so much. I would love to speak with you for hours, but time is running in our 3d world, moving to 5d soon, but we still have time. So thank you so much for coming today and sharing your wisdom.

Jack Morrigan 1:02:55

You're so so welcome. Thank you so so much, and all of you just accept reality as it is, trust this movement and enjoy your life.

Jack Morrigan 1:03:13

Oh, are you waiting for Jack to come back? Yeah,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:03:20

I don't remember how you get in and out. There's so many ways of going into this and out of this, but you're back.

Jack Morrigan 1:03:29

I'll bring him back now. Okay, thank you, Jannecke, thank you all of you watching. Goodbye.

Jack Morrigan 1:03:43

So I'm still kind of halfway in between, but I'm I'm me, if that makes sense, kind of, it's a funny thing. I mean, it's good to for me to talk about it, because, like, my experience of this is kind of like a shifting backwards and forwards. So it's like I was present throughout that whole thing, like I struggled to remember it. But like, you know, I'm I'm there through it all, and now, now I'm more kind of in the foreground, if you like,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:04:15

Yeah, well, I thought that was profound, what came through. I love the part of the wisdom and the light like the wisdom in the darkness, that made so much sense that they need each other. And I've come to terms with that myself, that we need the darkness when we have the light to know what the light is and all of that. But it just made even more sense to me now, and I do get frustrated that time is running by so fast. It's like, I feel like I'm sitting in five minutes speaking with you.

Jack Morrigan 1:04:49

And, yeah, I feel like that too. I don't know how much time has come. Oh, well, loads of times come by.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:04:56

Well, Jack, thank you so much for coming. On the show again, and I'm so excited you are already one of our master class teachers in my membership and my members, they loved your dragons, and now we're coming back to be a master class teacher again, to channel for my members. And I'm so excited about that. And just want to say to everybody watching, if you are curious and want to dive deeper. I have a membership. It's called wisdom from North membership. You can find all about it in the links below Jack. Where can people connect with you and find you if they want to have more of that dragon energy in their lives?

Jack Morrigan 1:05:36

Yeah, absolutely. So I've been creating some free content on my YouTube channel and getting more active in that there's also dragon medicine groups that are running, which is where we take people through all the different dragons, and you can work with each of them in turn. And we've got a new group opening up on the on the eighth of January and on the ninth of January. So we're going to be moving into different groups of dragons, and one of the groups is going to be working with the black dragon. Who you who you were with today? Yeah, I think my brain's a bit foggy, but I can send over all the links, links and information,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:06:20

wonderful. And my last question to you today that I ask all my guests, Jack, and that is, what is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective?

Jack Morrigan 1:06:28

Oh, man, like for me, the deepest thing that I can achieve in my life, which is maybe the meaning like is just to be fully human, so to be as authentically human as I can be, and in so doing, I realized that the the wonder and the mystery of our own divinity and the cosmos is actually completely present here in my humanity. And I don't need to go anywhere else to find it. All I have to do is to be myself, and that's the highest meaning that I can find,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:07:06

beautiful. Thank you so much for coming back to the show today. Jack,

Jack Morrigan 1:07:10

thank you so much. Jannecke.