The Old Paradigm Is Collapsing: Here Is What Replaces It! With Lori Spagna

Lori Spagna 0:00

We were trapped in the matrix. There was like a reincarnation cycle, playing the same hamster wheel game over and over again, so that we could learn and grow and transform and uplevel. But that game is over now. We have this opportunity as a global collective, as a global society, to elevate and awaken and ascend incarnate in this body. Star seeds have come into the physical earthly body to bring about the change that's needed for this evolutionary jump. The truth of who we are is that we're infinite beings who are of love, of source. Source consciousness is coming in and through, and now you're at this higher frequency, but you're basically crossing timelines, right? In a sense, you're jumping to a new identity. You're clearing the darkness, but there's a frequency fence, an energetic barrier. Are you really ready to be the light that you just claimed to be? And the old energy that you've just cleared says, "Let me sucker back in, because again, that paradigm collapses without you, your energy. It's a closed system. This new paradigm is an open source system. So, how can we start to live this truth about ourselves in this incarnation, in our everyday lives? The answer, the short answer, is resonance. Okay, so how does one get into resonance? And let's talk about this. This is so important because this is a major part of it.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:31

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Lori Spagna 1:43

Hello, Jannecke. Thank you for having me today. I'm so glad to be here. Oh,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:48

Oh, I'm so glad to have you here because I feel I always learn something new from you. And you are an ascension guide, a spiritual teacher, animal communicator, best-selling author, and you help people connect with their divine self, and you also channel the collective. And we're just going to dive into it, Lori. My first question to you is: What is captivating you the most right now, cosmically in your own life and globally?

Lori Spagna 2:19

What's captivating me the most right now is how many, how much potential is available that's being unlocked, and it's requiring us to jump massive amounts of timelines like time space realities to up level. So we're having to shift our identities and completely reprogram, reorient our operating systems, who we are, who we've believed ourselves to be, and what we believe is possible and available for us, while at the same time completely releasing and transmuting, transforming everything related to the so-called past. So that is really what's so inspiring to me, to watch this unfolding and to see the bigger picture as it unfolds. I love, love, love that. Yeah.

Jannecke Øinæs 3:12

And let's go there. Let's go into the higher spiritual concepts because a lot of people are speaking about the higher self and connecting to the divine, what, in your perspective, is the higher self, and how can we bring the higher self more into our physical life?

Lori Spagna 3:30

Yeah, well, you always every person has levels and layers of consciousness, and levels and layers are just frequency bandwidths of energy and consciousness. We are consciousness when people define God, right? Everybody can have a different and unique relationship, but ultimately, it is source consciousness. That is what God is, and source consciousness that vibrates to a frequency that is beyond human love. It is beyond love. It is love and beyond, but it's beyond human interpretation of what love is. So when you talk about our higher self, our higher self is always the aspect of consciousness that is us at a purer frequency of love, purer, purified from what we call egoic structure, and as we sort of level up in frequency, energy, and consciousness, that higher self, our personality self, levels up in a sense, our by by dissolving what we call or transmuting egoic structure, and so we merge and unify more fully with the higher self aspect, there's always another higher self aspect that has a broader, higher perspective, an evolved perspective that is more, so to say, pure than the identity of who we are. Now, as you continue to elevate, you also have all of us have what we could call an oversoul. Now the Oversoul is the aspect of us that not only knows it's us, but also knows all of other versions of us, all of our soul family, which is also aspects of us with unique individual identities, but part of us, who we are. So that that that's when you. That's why I have the collective. The collective is part of my over soul family. Like we're all unified there, and then beyond that, you have an eternal ever being. That eternal ever being knows I am the one that is identifying through this human personality, but I am the one that cannot be separated from my source in any way, shape, or form. We never really are. I, as an oversoul, am eternal. The eternal being going through experience after experience after experience, incarnation after incarnation, and I am also the one that identifies as the soul who goes through individuated experience after individuated experience after individuated experience, so all of these aspects of us are who we are, always available to us to access and to work with. In addition to that, at the oversoul level, we have masters, teachers, loved ones, guides. Well, they're not all always at the oversoul level, but they're within those levels and layers, so we can access our masters, our teachers, our guides, our own unique divine team. My team, and it's not just my team, but the team that I work with calls themselves. They refer to themselves, or we refer to ourselves as the collective, but your team is your divine team, and may refer to themselves in a number of different ways. Different channelers refer to their divine team in different ways. So, does that make sense? And we can always access those levels and layers. The issue about accessing those levels and layers is that it's it requires us to find a way to unify and connect through a pure soul, a pure stream. Otherwise, it gets diluted and filtered by egoic structure. Does that make sense? So you are channelling the collective, and you're saying we all have our own team, but they or you call yourself the collective, and I might have a team that's called-I don't know-I wouldn't know the blue team.

Jannecke Øinæs 7:30

And then I have many beings or energies that is just for me, like Jannecke.

Lori Spagna 7:37

Yes, you have a whole team.

Jannecke Øinæs 7:39

All right. So, what role do they play in my life?

Lori Spagna 7:43

And the more elevated you become, so to speak-not become-the more elevated you allow yourself to be, the more beings typically will gather because they start to see your light. Some of them are with you your whole life, Dan. They're not going to leave you, right? They're your, your, your soul appointed guides. Some of them are like, oh, she's come up to this level. I'm gonna gather. So some of my team in the collective, they're not only with me. Like Jesus is in my collective, Mother Mary, Kuan Yin, like all these ascended masters, divine goddesses. They don't. They're not just my collect. They're not. It's not my collective. It's the collective that comes through because they know my level in mastery to be here to be of service and contribution in accordance with God's plan. We use the words God's plan or in accordance with the agenda of the light. So those beings will come forward to support and assist. So a lot of people will find this. The more light you start to embody, the more light will start to come through. Does that make sense? But your unique team, or anyone's unique team, is there to support you on your unique soul's agenda, your unique soul's reason for being here, and what you're here to bring through. So for sure, like right away, your team-you've got all of these mercurial beings. They're like some of them are extraterrestrial, but for sure they're here to help you in communication because this is part of your role in God's plan to facilitate the communication on multi levels of consciousness to support others in their awakening journey, you've got you know teams who will help you with book. You're writing your book. There's teams that will help you. There's just so many beings in the so-called non-physical or higher realms, whichever terminology you prefer, that will come forward and support you. Some will come and stay. Some will come for a brief period of time. Right. When I first started channelling, I had this being. His name was Bartholomew, and at first I would just see this like yellow kind of fluttery light. Sometimes eyes open, sometimes eyes closed, and I thought it was so cool at first. And then after a little while, I'd be like, "Well, what? Like, what is this? Like what?" Okay, what else? And I would then it would grow. It would be like, okay, I am Bartholomew. I am Bartholomew. And when it would happen, I would just feel like just so much peace and love. And I just knew, like, oh, this being is just so amazing. It took me a while though because I was like, what's the point? And some of my team would call me like, well, you're kind of a divine brat, right? Because like anyone else would be just so happy for that, right? But truthfully, that was the being who helped me to know this is what it sounds like, this is what it looks like, this is what it feels like. So I got to be very discerning about energies and consciousness. What do they sound like? What do they look like? What do they feel like? Like I have developed other things too since then. Like how you work with them, who stands with them, what's their agenda, what's their role, what are they here for. So you start learning over time how to interact with your team, how they can best help you, who's here to help you with what, etc. Does that make sense?

Jannecke Øinæs 11:01

So the more light we bring in, and that makes a lot of sense to me. That when we are sort of in a lower vibrational mindset, it's more dense, right? It's ego, it's shame and guilt and apathy and all these heavy emotions, and my system is sort of darker in a way because the light is not-it's there, but it's like this little star, and it has a lot of dirt on it. And I need to clean it in order for it to shine and let go of all these false beliefs. And then my my inner star, my north star, will shine brighter. I became lighter, and thus I'm able to resonate and align with higher frequencies. That's how I understand it in my mind. Yes.

Lori Spagna 11:48

Well, let's let's let's bring this even to that's definitely accurate, and let's bring this into bigger picture. So humanity, in a sense, over the past we could say 26,000 years of linear time, that's what we understand it to be, has gone through what could be called a kind of like a fall from grace. That's some terminology, but really, what I, how I understand it, have been taught by my own team and through my you know request to understand and know, we went through a period of what we'd call the experience of duality, the experience of polarity. Now, some people use the words third dimension, and that's a fair way to describe it. But that's not the way the higher realms call it. They just call it this is an experience of separation and duality, where you were given opportunity to expand consciousness through complete unconsciousness, and in that in that experience, what was provided was the darkest of the dark. Which we know those pe those beings played that role. Beings played that role for us through their role in separation, and those beings represent the agenda of the dark for the most part, and many of them incorporated have incorporated over aeons of time what we would call evil, which is the attempt to usurp one's free will from even awakening or from anything. Right, the attempt to take away free will. So in this game of duality over 26,000 years, a lot of those are you know negative alien agenda, right? And now we're giving the opportunity on planet Earth to liberate ourselves from that, to awaken, to free ourselves, and so there have been a lot of what we would call, you know, alien types of wars going on. People didn't know this stuff was going on to help humanity be freed. So at the same time, a lot of star seeds have come into the physical earthly body to to facilitate because the law of this land is you really can't enforce change on the people, you have to be one of the people to make to bring about the change that's needed for this evolutionary jump. So we're freeing ourselves from this old paradigm energy. So when you say, "Oh, all this shame and guilt and grief and sorrow and blame and I'm right and you're wrong, I'm better. You're worse. False arrogance, false superiority, hierarchy, patriarchy, oligarchy, the lies, the deceit, the manipulation-all of that stuff was part of that. They call it a game of duality, right? It's not a game to us, but so people are mired in that energy because that's the that's what we call egoic structure. It's not the truth of who we are. The truth of who we are is that we're infinite beings who are of love, of source, who came here to have this experience, and we all play. Our unique roles, and so through this liberation process, where we're liberating ourselves by recognising those old egoic structures that we took on in that paradigm, because we were influenced by this negative alien agenda, because we believed the lies, the manipulation, because they utilised over time at the earliest origins, they created false gods, demigods, right? Known as the archons, those false gods and demigods then set up structures and systems that, over time, 26,000 years approximately of linear time, evolved in time to be the systems and structures we now know: financial system, religious organisation structures, media. Right back when they didn't have media, they used town squares. You know that's how Hitler organised town squares, big pharma, the medical institution, schooling system, educational system. What have I missed? Food and drug, water, all of the major systems. I think I'm missing at least one or two here, but so they started to organise and infiltrate those systems and set them up in such a way that the system is so distorted and inverted that we started to take on those beliefs, belief systems, points of view, perspectives, ideologies, everything we were told through those systems, schooling system, everything about that. So all of that is riddled with this old. We call this the architecture, the energetic architecture of this old paradigm is all under the umbrella of fear-based energies. So the energies you're talking about-they're all fear-based energies-and in that reality, it's been so distorted.

Lori Spagna 16:53

We've been literally taught to be afraid of your higher team, your guidance, the so-called occult, which just means the unknown, right? The esoteric. So one of the things they do in that old paradigm is they discredit it. They use any form of media, movies, entertainment to discredit it, but also to suck you into it without you really knowing. So it's all secrecy, lies, manipulation. So now when we're talking about this, what's going on right now is we're being given this opportunity to liberate ourselves through this egoic structure clearing and shift into these new paradigm energies and the new architecture of this new paradigm, which is all based under the umbrella of love, kindness, loving kindness, grace, ease, divine truth, divine peace, divine joy, divine inspiration, divine love, which is magnanimity, equanimity. These are all umbrella energies in the new paradigm. So, which people often refer to as 5d. That's just human terminology. I understand that's not source terminology. So this is what we mean when we say purifying. We're purifying ourselves of those old energies that keep us under the umbrella or stuck under that old paradigm infrastructure, that architecture of the fear-based system, and as we purify, we level up. We're in a sense our identity starts shifting. Why? Because we start seeing more truth. We start recognising divine truth. We start knowing that is fear-based. That is love-based. You can't be lied to anymore. You can't be manipulated anymore. You you start recognising because over here there's infinite abundance in the here, but the infinite abundance here is is poverty. The infinite abundance here is thriving, is prosperity, right? Is flourishing. So we start levelling up to more of this divine truth, living in accordance with the the the divine truth of who we are, who we all are, which is these under these umbrellas of love, we start carrying those frequencies. That's what it means, in a sense, to raise your vibration. It's not just about going out into nature, although for sure, go out to nature, right? Mother Earth is the ultimate healer, and she's healing herself too through all this, and she's taking us with her as long as we are levelling up with her. So, in a sense, that's what it means energetically to jump timelines because you're leaving those old experiences and all that density behind. You're purifying energetically. Those are not the truth of who we are, and then you're jumping timelines, realising everybody's waking up with you, because on your timeline more and more people are waking up. On your timeline, that stuff's becoming a thing of the past. You're seeing other people go through it, and you say, "I can be part of the solution. I have solution to offer. I have something great to offer." And then you start tapping into more of your guides, your guardians, the ones who are here to help you, because they're like, okay, she's ready. Let's bring this through. It's divine timing. She's ready to bring this through. So you see, that's that's really. I hope that I went on for a while there, but does that make sense? Is that helpful?

Jannecke Øinæs 20:18

It is super interesting. And my first question is: What happened before 20,006 years ago? What happened then?

Lori Spagna 20:29

What happened was during that time, if you want to think of it more from an earthly experience, there were negative aliens who came in, and they decided to hijack humans through the innocence of human innocence, right, and so through the hijacking, they manipulated our DNA, and they started utilising humans as slaves in a slave system, and they created false gods and demigods. They created the experience of everything that you can imagine in separation, right, which is now like yeah, the devil, Lucifer, Satan, all that stuff. Which now that's starting to be exposed. Right, who were these aliens? Various negative aliens, which are off at the very at the very or like original part of them. You could call them archons. Right, just negative aliens who came in to hijack this experience and mine the resources of Earth, which they're still doing. That right, mining the precious resources. For example, Mercury, which is considered on Earth to be toxic, fuels a lot of extraterrestrial ships. Right, so it's a precious metal. Gold, silver, all those precious metals have been mined from Earth. Like everything they could steal from the Earth, they could get from the Earth. So that was part of it. And then utilising the humans for our DNA, a lot of them needed our DNA. Why? Because a lot of them were going extinct without the DNA. So they were manipulating our DNA, a lot of them they needed us for breeding, right? That that's been going on for aeons of time, but that's coming to an end.

Jannecke Øinæs 22:09

Yeah, I've heard variations of this story actually, so it's it's not new to me, but you're sharing it in a new way. I got to say, filling in more more gaps, but are they still here? And how come we're now having that opportunity to wake up? That would mean that they're losing their grip, or are they doing that consciously? Are they saying we don't want to do this game anymore? Like, why do we have this opportunity right now to become free,

Lori Spagna 22:42

yeah, because that is God's source creator's plan for lighted creation. God's plan. I'm using the word God, but you could use another word, right? It's important to say that because God was a word given to us in this human old paradigm as some false Santa Claus in the sky, right? You know, like as if it's separate from you, and all of the structures upheld that. You're crazy if you think you can connect straight with Source. You're crazy in that old paradigm if you think you have a divine team. It was discredited, and you know that on purpose. But so Source-that's the word my team likes to use. But the divine, the infinite, the all that is the you know spirit, however you prefer. I don't use the word spirit because there's so many spirits, but okay, whatever word you like to use, that source has a plan for lighted creation that was written into the script for this paradigm, and this script was that humanity will eventually awaken, reclaim all those gifts of consciousness that they were so-called missing in the game of duality. And as they reclaim their gifts, they level up all of us to the game of plurality. It's a whole new game, and people don't understand that game. So as we level up to this game of plurality. We're claiming all the gifts which we, as free will beings, get to utilise as a form of wisdom. We start bringing it into the reality as wisdom. Lessons learned, claimed, done, and complete. Sharing it with our brothers and sisters so we can uplevel. But the script was pre-written, pre-planned. Like all beings will have the opportunity to awaken, whether they choose to awaken post incarnation. In other words, they drop the body. That's how it's been happening. They would awaken post incarnation and go through some form of their own ascension journey post death, so-called post death. Right, and most times, this is a lot of people don't agree with this, so I get it. But because we were trapped in kind of a matrix, there was like a reincarnation cycle. So they would keep reincarnating and playing the same hamster wheel game over and over again. And if they were lucky and made. Enough progress in one lifetime, they'd be able to bring that wisdom into their reincarnation cycle, so that they could learn and grow and transform and uplevel. But that game is over, so now people still can physically transition. We are eternal beings. We are love. We are source consciousness in an individuated form, so we can still progress post physical dropping the body, but now we have this opportunity as a global collective, as a global society, to elevate and awaken and ascend incarnate in this body, and that's what's happening because we're being liberated.

Jannecke Øinæs 25:38

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Lori Spagna 27:04

Yeah, because her frequency is elevated. See, understand, because in a sense it's all time, space, reality. As you any individual ascends in physical form, they're in a sense aligning with a timeline where Earth is more healed than whole, right? And as we align with a timeline where Earth is more healed than whole, those who are not of vibrational calibre, so to speak, vibrational harmony, they're not as pure, so to speak. They can't come back into that time space reality. And this is why. So, in other words, I'll give you a great example. In my opinion, I'll say it that since this is a public stage, some of these ones who have the archons, right? Those archons and those negative alien agendas, by the way, they all report to the they're the 13 loyal families. So you could look that up. The who are the 13 loyal families? Those 13 loyal families, they're dying off. Some of them are trying to reincarnate again, but they can't get in. They're not allowed, so some of them will be redistributed to other time-space realities where it will be harder for them to continue in the way that they were. That's good for them. They're lucky if they get that opportunity, some of them will be reabsorbed by source because they just got too too dark. Gosh, they don't. I don't even know that they really know that. I don't. I don't know because I don't play in that game.

Jannecke Øinæs 28:34

But don't they play a role though? I mean, if this is all a game, we're playing different roles.

Lori Spagna 28:40

They play their role.

Jannecke Øinæs 28:41

But why do they need to go sort of? Well, I wouldn't say extinct, but just lose their individuality going back to they just become

Lori Spagna 28:49

the love that is the truth of who they are too. They just can't continue on the soul stream as individuated soul stream because they just got too dark. See, so they played their role. This gig is up. That gig is up. It's expiring now, and so most of them will have an opportunity to come back into another time space reality. But your question was, they won't come back. They no, they won't come back to Earth because Earth is ascending too. If you're listening to my voice, if people who are here, we're on an ascension journey, and it's always based on free will choice, so somebody could say this is why I'm done now, right? But the point is, is like what most people don't realise is the earthly reality we've been taught overall to hustle and grind. That's slave slave driver, you know. We've been taught to work so hard. We've been taught you have to work for money. We've been taught there's not enough. We've been taught you're not good enough. We've been taught you don't have any value. You don't have any worth if you're not rich and famous. You're not important. You don't matter. There's you know all those things be ashamed because you want to be someone or do something like all those things we've been taught are the those. That's part of what we're here to clear, heal, and resolve because none of that is based in truth. And so the point is, is that a lot of people think that that's kind of like the end game in a way, just so you can succeed or make money or have a good life or have a nice house or have material possessions. But the truth is, is because you're an infinite being, the more progress you make in this earthly physical reality, the more potential opens up for you, not only in this incarnation, but afterlife, because after physical life, there's, um, you could call them way stations or points, right? Where you have more choice. What will you do next? Where will you go next? There's a lot of star seeds, light workers who who don't want to come back to the earthly reality. In order for you to have more choice about who you'll be in future incarnations, wherever they may that might be, or whether you ever incarnate again, maybe you'll play the role of a master, or maybe you'll you'll be in the office of the logai. One of the logai, you know, the logai are various offices of ascended masters that help and support. Maybe you'll be a guide. Like more opportunity opens up for you, the more work you do, inner work in this incarnation. That's why this is so important, and that's why that old game of like, oh, you just want to get your work really hard to make more money to get your new job or to get your that's still to a large degree you're in that old paradigm. See, it doesn't mean you can't have those things in this incarnation. It's just that there's a bigger picture here that's now available to us that has a way broader scope for why we do this work. On the one level, yes, we want to be freed from that old paradigm and from all those false egoic structures, including fear, all forms of fear. Like that's just not fun. That's just not a good way to be. That causes sickness, illness, disease, lack, poverty, unhappiness, like divorce, addictions, like on and on and on. That's the problem in a distorted reality where we're so separated from source. But as we progress, not only do we become more prosperous and more healthy and more joyful and more fulfilled and more of the solution, and yes, we can connect more and more with our divine team, but we also open up new potentials even post incarnation. That's a big thing.

Jannecke Øinæs 32:44

I feel that it's resonating really with me in my body. I can feel it. I get a bit emotional, actually. So, how can we start to live this truth about ourselves in this incarnation in our everyday lives, like coming back a bit to my question about how we can bring our higher self, the truth of our higher self, into this physical reality, and actually live from the truth that my world is abundance and everything comes to me. I don't have to hustle because we have these beliefs that are so stuck in our subconsciousness. So, is it really possible for us as humans, right at this time, to live in this abundant mindset when we do have our subconsciousness that is full of the programming from the archons?

Lori Spagna 33:34

Yeah. So, the the subconsciousness is all that egoic structure we're talking about, and I really want to address that, but it's absolutely possible, more than possible. It is. It's calling us. It's almost. It's beckoning us. So, but when you say, "How do we? The answer, the short answer, is resonance. We must come into resonance with that energy, with that those frequencies, and all of those frequencies are frequencies of love, right? So, how does one come into resonance environment? And I'm not talking about physical environment. I'm talking internal environment. We must discover, and this is what I teach. This is what I've been doing. This is this is exactly to me the solution: is discover the true, real, authentic path pathway to unification with our source through resonance, energetic resonance, which is a process that anyone can do. No one is excluded from it. To literally begin to embody. Eventually, it becomes it's an embodiment practice in a sense, but it's a resonance through consciousness practice of being at one with the source. Okay, so how does one get into resonance? You must be in vibrational proximity. That means meditation circles, retreats, being near the people who. Are doing it, engaging. It is you can't get in the water by reading about it, right? You can't learn how to swim by watching it from the shore. You actually have to get in there. You have to be around, within, discover, learn, and participate in those types of practices, and through direct experience, you come into gnosis. You know nobody can take away your knowing. Nobody, and that's that's really how you can discern really truly the brilliance within you, because it's not just discerning it; you're experiencing it. You become the energetic frequency of divine joy, and so then when you walk in the room, people look at you and say, "What are you on? You know, like what? What are you on? You become the frequencies of divine grace. So you're moving through life just so much more gracefully, and then you're you're resonating at those frequency. You're being them. This is this is identity shifting because your old identity didn't know that was possible for you, didn't know that was available to you, or maybe thought that the way you were going to learn it was by reading a book. Won't work. Maybe thought the way you were going to learn it was by you know listening. You know that's that's a first step. That's like standing at the side of the water, but you got to jump in, and that does require risk because because it's the unknown. It's the unknown. We've not experienced that in this earthly incarnation, but at the same time, it's the remembrance, it's the reclamation of the divine truth, the divine brilliance, the divine magnificence, the divine love, the divine grace, the divine joy that we inherently are. That is the truth of who we are. It is who we all are. Yeah. So it's direct experience.

Jannecke Øinæs 37:07

And you're speaking about that, I assume, because that is how also you are receiving your knowledge and wisdom is not through listening to other people's podcast or reading tonnes of books, you are actually downloading all the time. What what is really a download to you? A true download?

Lori Spagna 37:29

Yeah. So I know that word is starting to be used more and more, and I'm that's awesome, right? That's an indication that more and more people are accessing source intelligence. But there's different kinds of downloads, right? Like, so a download, in a sense, to somebody might be like, "Oh, I got an intuitive hit, right? But to me, what a download! If you recognise, like, the movie The Matrix, where the lead character Nia, he-I only ever saw that movie once, so please, if I get the storyline wrong, but he-he goes into some kind of chair and they just download that. Now he's an excellent like jujitsu or whatever. That's to me what a download is. When I'm doing a download, I go in through. We all have access through our Sacred Heart Centre, but there's other access points, direct access points. The most powerful and potent one is through our Sacred Heart Centre, so which is a portal, right? That's why the Sacred Heart Centre has two colours, right? Green is the earthly side of the portal, so to speak, energetically, because we're light. We are light and frequency, and magenta or red or pink, you know, however you see or perceive or understand that is through the portal to union with love, right? So I go into that space where I'm at one with my source. I'm so at one. I'm so blissed out. I'm in such a state of oneness. It doesn't matter what's going on. And through that space, I basically request and command to bring this into me. It's that easy. Everybody can, but it's like again, it's the practice you have to get involved where you can learn it because, and once you learn it, it's in your remembrance. You know it, but it's not deprived from anybody. But so from that space, then I can ask for anything. And the way I'm asking for it, I'm always and I always encourage and teach my students to do this. We don't ask for it from, oh, just teach me how. We ask Source, Creator, God, give us your absolute truth, your absolute knowing, your point of view. We ask Source, what is your point of view? What's your truth? That's how you come into knowing gnosis, because now it's like, oh yeah, that's a point of view, and every point of view is legit. Everyone gets a point of view, but that doesn't make it absolute truth, or abs, or of the divine. But everybody can access that. Does that make sense? Yeah. And you can learn. So when I get a download, I'm basically asking to be taught anything I need to be taught or shown anything I need to be shown. Or understand anything. So even when I'm asking things like what's going on in the world, or what do we need to, you know, what do we need to do, or whatever it is I'm asking for, I'm asking for it with and from source consciousness to bring it into my consciousness so that I can share it. Does that make sense? And that, from my perspective, is how we are all going to solve the issues on planet Earth. They are not going to be taught to us by false leaders and false authorities who have created the problems in the first place. The only way they got to that status is by paying homage to the 13 loyal families. They're not our leaders. The leaders are being cultivated now, and have been being cultivated through union with source, direct union. So that that source, and then through bringing that wisdom, which wisdom, the gift of wisdom, is the integration of the hardest lessons learned, and integrating source knowledge, source consciousness, so that it can be shared and offered to our fellow humans and animals through this journey. So, to me, these are the true leaders that are emerging now, and this next year, especially, we're not even into 2027, but it is going. It's already that, but it is going to become even more and more important to be able to develop your discernment to know what's true, what's real, what's not real. Who are the true leaders and authorities, and who are the false leaders and authorities who are attempting to control, dominate, manipulate through secrecy and coercion, it's already been really important.

Lori Spagna 41:43

It will continue to be really important because we're navigating out of old paradigm into new paradigm. And here's what happens: that one of the biggest traps as you're upleveling is the old energy of inertia. So the moment you start to up level, there's like what's often referred to as a vacuum, right? Source consciousness is coming in and through, and now you're at this higher frequency, but you're you're basically crossing timelines, right? In a sense, you're jumping to a new identity, a new threshold. You're levelling up, breaking through. You're having glass ceiling as you're doing this, like for anyone who's doing it. So, but that old energy of inertia, which is any form of energy that exists in that old paradigm, the architecture of that old paradigm that is under that fear umbrella, it tries to suck you back in. Why? Partially because a lot of these negative aliens, the old agenda, it needs you in there for it to survive. That's why it's collapsing. People are getting levelling up out of it. They're seeing through it, right? But it tries to suck you in. It's energy. That energy is like some form of fear. Okay, we can go on about what that is. So it tries to suck you back in. It and it gets that energy's recycled energy because it needs your life force in there for it to survive. It's a closed system. It can't survive unless humans are feeding it with our emotional wounding patterns, our traumas, our dramas, our upsets, our fears, our worries, our anxieties, our frustrations, our disappointments, our regrets, our sorrows, our shame, our blame, our guilt, our remorse. That's the energy. That luge is is just inertia trying to keep you at that old timeline. This is the hardest part of levelling up, because it tries to suck you back in, and you don't even know that's what's happening. You're like suddenly because you're becoming more empathic, you're becoming more conscious, you're becoming more aware, you're becoming more sensitive, and the rest of that world looks a lot more real because you've been there for so long, right? Aeons of time, probably 26,000 years. So all of a sudden you get sucked back in,

Jannecke Øinæs 44:04

and that that is a paradox to me because in one way you are raising your vibration. We all know this term, and you're attracting more light and love, and at the same time you're attracting more darkness.

Lori Spagna 44:19

Well, you're not attracting more darkness, you're clearing the darkness, but there's a frequency fence. I call these frequency fences. It's an energetic barrier. Are you really ready to be the light that you just claimed to be? Are you really ready to step over this timeline? Frequency fence. So the frequency fence says, "Are you as pure as you say you are ready to be, as you've asked, as you've claimed? Can you maintain this level of purity? And the old energy that you've just cleared says, "Let me sucker back in. It's inertia. It's the way that programming is set up in that old paradigm. Because again, that paradigm collapses. Without you, your energy. It's a closed system. This new paradigm is an open source system, direct source. Everybody gets access to their source of infinite potential, infinite joy, infinite love, etc. etc.

Jannecke Øinæs 45:14

If you go beyond that, you won't be sucked back in. If you go beyond that, but that's that's why

Lori Spagna 45:20

coaching mentorship. That's what I do. Like that's why working. That's why resonance is so important because you get in resonance with the being who's already there, and they say, "Oh, don't let that suck you in. I had this in my class in one of my classes last week. She got she's talking about how she got everything she wants. All these people are asking her for healing sessions, and all these people are asking her how she can help them, and all of a sudden she's got a wait list of people, and she's like, "But what if the government tells me I'm not allowed to work in this state? I'm like, "Oh, I see false authority. Oh, I see fear. I'm not telling you break a law. I'm saying, in that moment, the inertia was trying to pull her back in to her old self of fear. Oh, what if the old authorities tell me I'm I can't do? Oh, there's a solution. God will give you a solution. God will show you exactly how to get your licence if you need it. God will you know you see what I'm saying? So this is how it works. And so when you have a mentor around you who's already there, a resonating resonating there, can see through that for you. Can say, "Oh, don't get sucked into that. But do do you feel like you're there, and does that mean that you don't feel any fear of anything? Oh my god, oh my god! Is well, you asked me two questions. Do I feel like I'm there? No, because it's an infinite journey. There's always more, more growth, more evolution, more transformation, more ways I can serve, support, and assist humanity. More ways I can serve my source. More ways to level up to more of my higher self aspects. More ways to purify any parts of myself that are living in duality. No, so I don't think I'm there. I think it's a journey that we're all on, and the journey is so brilliant. The payoff is just so rewarding and fulfilling. So no, I don't think that I'm there. But do I have any fear left? Very little, very little. So let's talk about this. This is so important because this is a major part of it, what we're talking about is expunging fear. That is really and understand. I'm talking about the fear, the umbrella of fear. So, umbrella of fear includes all those energies, all that energetic structure, architecture of the old paradigm that falls under this umbrella of fear, so as we expunge that, that's how we're liberating ourselves. Well, where does fear live? Where does fear live? Okay, in the body, you mean? Well, yeah. Well, yes, it lives in the body, so the thing is, fear as energetic structure is identified as the ego, but the truth is, you do not have an ego. This is not said anywhere else, and I know I'm about to paradigm bust. You do not have an ego. That is all BS to keep you entangled. Every time you own your ego, you're entangled in that old paradigm that scientists have mapped the brain over and over and over. They haven't found an ego. They find they know where fear lives, but they have not found an ego. There's no ego in you. You have a brain. You have structures within the brain that store fear. The amygdala, amygdala, amygdala, the sort of middle back of the brain, the hippocampus stores fear and trauma. You have a nervous system that will, and the fascia that will store fear. It also perfectly within your-that's one of the multi-dimensional aspects of who you are. Your nervous system, which is also your electromagnetic system, does fight flight. That's not fear. That is survival. That's not your ego. That is such a lie. Where did ego? Where were we told that we had an ego in the old paradigm? Originally, if I understand the original ego was used in ancient spiritual teachings as a term that would say it's where you etch God out, etch God out. I can appreciate that. That's an awesome teaching. And but what was really cultivated, as far as I understand, I haven't done the research. I just asked, you know, for guidance on this, was through the introduction of the teachings of Sigmund Freud and that lineage.

Lori Spagna 49:44

Who is just he was an alcoholic, drug addict, I think, who was used by the minions, those dark agenda forces, to promote their agenda, to control, dominate, manipulate the mental mind, the emotional mind. And the consciousness of the being, and even infiltrate the medical industry with those false teachings. Because if you own that ego now, it's pretty hard to get free from it, isn't it? You think it's yours? No, it's just fear-based belief systems that can be cleared out of the amygdala, that can be cleared out of the hippocampus, that can be cleared out of the fascia, that can be cleared out of the mental plane. That's another dimensional aspect of who you are. You're not just a body. You're not just the electromagnetic system. The mental plane is an aspect of your dimensional consciousness. Can be cleared out of the way you think, you believe, you perceive, so that you're no longer buying into fear-based thoughts and thinking be cleared out of your emotional body. That is another aspect of your multidimensional self. Your emotional body can have fear-based frequencies running through there, which is a form of inertia. Not the truth of who you are. You are not fear. None of us are. So all of that stuff. And I've been teaching this for many years, how do we clear out that amygdala? It's easy. It's enjoyable. Source takes it. We don't need it. We used it. We don't need it. Your nervous system stays intact. In fact, it gets even more pure. That's why super empaths, super sensitives, all the people in my community, super empaths, super sensitives, highly sensitive beings are like I can't that energy. I feel that energy. It's part of how come you're reclaiming your knowing because you feel the energy. You identify it. That energy feels like the energy of fear. That energy feels like the energy of shame. Oh, that energy feels like the energy of anger. Oh, that's that energy. It's all just energy. But please stop owning your so-called ego, because that just keeps you entrapped in the old paradigm. You heard it here first.

Jannecke Øinæs 51:52

Yeah, you're just opening more and more boxes for me, and I'm like, "Ooh, which one to go into? But I actually want to honour our audience today because I asked them to submit some questions. We got tonnes of questions because I just want you guys to also have the possibility to receive direct answers from our guests. So I'm going to take a couple of them, if that's okay. Yeah, definitely. So there was a lady asking: Are predictions about major Earth changes like pole shifts, a new ice age, or mega tsunamis still relevant, or can these timelines change?

Lori Spagna 52:34

I love this question so much. Okay, so understand each soul is working through issues of time, space, realities where they lived. So, in many cases, like one of my besties, she talks about a so-called pole shift. But I know that she lived through one through her lifetime, not only in Atlantis but also in Lemuria, so these traumas are embedded in us as beings who have gone through these experiences before, and so when someone makes a prediction, very often, not always, they could be accessing a memory from another time, space, reality and putting it into the future-that's only one potential. There, another potential is a scientist sees that from the scientist lens of what they know and have studied and perceived, but not understanding that every solution-it does not exist in old paradigm. A scientist most likely-I'm not saying they're not spiritual, but they're accessing through the brain. Brain is too small of a tool to use anymore. It's an important tool. It's a necessary tool, but it is not the solution. So, in these new timelines where we're direct source, direct source, the solutions exist, the restabilization, the rebalancing, etc. etc. etc. People come are coming up with new solutions. People, so it's not an absolute that that's what's going to unfold. However, when enough people believe or perceive in something, because people are the creators of our experience, and if you've been influenced by that, and you've kind of given your power to it, whether they're a false authority like a scientist, that's an example of a potentially false authority. Your true authority is you in union with your source. So that can be if enough people buy into that, a timeline can be created where that experience will unfold, is that part of God's plan? Only to the effect, to the to the effect twofold, that humans still have free will to create experience and outcome, co-create, and if Earth and this is happening needs to cleanse and purify some part of herself. So that is happening on Earth for sure. When Earth goes through some form of cleansing and purification, you see tornadoes, you see hurricanes, you know, massive rainstorms, flooding. That's purification. Fires, when or Earth is expanding or making new stability, earthquakes, or there's instability, earthquakes and fault lines, right? So, because Earth is going through a healing process, so those kinds of things will happen. But when you're divinely connected and divinely unified, your source is going to be guiding and leading you. And remember, Yannik will give a little insider part of our conversation before we got on. I was like saying how I'm moving. I've been moving, I've been moving, and it's a lot of times it's because source is saying, yeah, you're going to be here for this amount of time, but you're going to move again. You're anchoring in some light here, you're doing some work here, but you're going to be moving again because I'm always being guided and led of where I'm meant to be. That will happen for everybody. You won't be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Jannecke Øinæs 55:59

So, for instance, the talk of the solar flash or three days of darkness-would you say that some who are buying into that belief might experience that, while others who feel that you know I don't want to experience that or create something else, they might not experience that?

Lori Spagna 56:20

Yes, however, yes and no. Some will experience it because I call this miscreating. So people are very often miscreating. I just did a video on this on my YouTube channel. Right? It's you unconsciously don't realise that you're miscreating into a time space reality of something you don't really want, and people do this all the time through their traumas, fears need to be right. A lot of the prediction people they need to be right, so of course they line up on a time space reality where they turn out being right. So on the one level, yes. On another level, think of it from their perspective. I mean, what's three days of darkness? An internet could go down for three days, and then they can experience it that way. And that might be just in their local area, you know. So it depends on interpretation how it could play out in their life. So they may have that experience. On another level, they may be here to resolve the traumas from a timeline where they did, and on another level they may just be misinterpreting. On another level, there could be some rightness because obviously we are seeing things go on, and like I said, it might be that Earth needs to do some kind of purification, or yes, there are there is definitely a lot of truth that if the dark agenda that's still trying to do what it's doing does stuff that are is not in alignment with God's will for lighted creation for humanity does not serve humanity's evolution, something could be taken out. Meaning, cell phone towers could go down, for example, or yeah, if it serves humanity's evolution, it will be permitted. So, a lot of the times when people are saying this kind of things are happening, it or going to happen, it could happen, but it doesn't mean it's an absolute. Does that make sense?

Jannecke Øinæs 58:14

Yes, and I get more questions from that. I just got to ask because I know that you've said that the light has an agenda, and you've been speaking a bit about it. So, if the light has an agenda, that makes me feel optimistic, right? Okay, yes, we're taking care of season. Does that mean that we're in our lifetime are looking forward to leaders who are in their hearts, who are cheering for the people, working for the people, will we see that? Because that's not what we're seeing now.

Lori Spagna 58:45

Wait, I want to ask you something, Jannecke. Isn't your platform full of those people?

Jannecke Øinæs 58:51

Yes, yes, definitely. But they're not politicians, so they're not.

Lori Spagna 58:56

Well, those are those are falseleaders. They're not real leaders,

Jannecke Øinæs 58:59

right? And that's what I'm asking. Will we see leaders like that in important positions in the governments around the world? Yes. Yeah,

Lori Spagna 59:10

I think we will, but understand that will be the slowest. Why? Because the densest areas are the slowest to awaken, and those areas of reality, so to speak, whether it's governments, negative alien agendas, you know, AI technology-that's like really technology is very controlled by negative alien agendas. Reptilian forces-they're all controlling that stuff. It doesn't mean we can't utilise it in ways that are good and right. It just means that stuff is mostly controlled, right? Media, entertainment, massively controlled by that stuff, right? So, because there's so much dark infiltrated in those systems, and that's how those systems run, they are primarily going to experience different degrees of collapse. Before light can start to come through, and you can see the collapse happening. So, and that collapse is escalating, right? Because in order for humanity to wake up as a collective, more and more people have to have the free will choice to say, "I'm no longer agreeing, consenting, or allowing, in my paradigm, to have false leaders that would cause harm or detriment. More and more, I've been teaching this for many years. More and more people are withdrawing consent. If you withdraw consent, as you withdraw consent, the way you withdraw consent is from a place a place of divine neutrality. You can't be triggered by the wrongness of it. You recognise from higher vision, higher perspective. I understand this was part of what was. This was part of that game of duality. I'm elevating into plurality. I no longer consent or allow for false leaders to have any any more positions of leadership or power. I say it all the time. I withdraw consent, right? I've done this so many times in my own life. I've witnessed the most amazing things happen when I withdraw consent. When I say I do not agree, consent, or allow to that anymore, I might have no control to some degree, but law of free will, which is universal law of intent, consent, and authority, will always honour my free will. So then, stuff drops out of my reality, or else it becomes almost no influence over me whatsoever. Like people don't understand how the universal laws work, how to use them. You have to know how these laws work, right? Once you start understanding how these laws work, the moment you say that's against my free will. Now, here's here's the thing about that: if you're emotionally entangled, or if there's some kind of soul contract to work through something, oh, it's going to pull you back in. There's other laws. They'll say, "Oh no, you can't just honour that because she's got soul contracts, soul scripts. You know, this is like sublaws under free will, law of karma, whatever soul agreements to work through that issue. So she can't just not face it. That could be a factor. But still, you could say the law of synchronicity, my favourite law. Oh my god, I love love love the law of synchronicity. It's the most fun law to play with, in my opinion. So you could say the law of synchronicity: organise and synchronise, and bring me this in perfect divine alignment in a perfect divine way. Zero harm. That means zero harm. God's divine perfection, zero harm. And then suddenly, boom! You've got it, right? Okay, but if it's something that you're in somehow resistance to, or you're in a state of lack or poverty, you might not see it work out for you. Then the other laws will say, "Oh, she's got to work through that issue. Right? Here's another one that's so fun to play with: is oh, law of right action. Law of right action. You think you've been working so hard doing something and law to try to get to something and law of right action is well you haven't taken appropriate action and you're like well what's the right and appropriate action what's the right action law of compensation you start understanding law of compensation you're putting your energy out you're in service and contribution you're fulfilling your role in God's plan, you're doing right work and right and law of compensation will compensate you. There's nothing to fear about money or how you're going to survive anymore. You're like I'm rightly aligned, taking right action. It just these laws are set up and they're conscious. Understand? I learned the laws. I never read about them. I just downloaded.

Lori Spagna 1:03:43

I downloaded, and I taught a class once, and then I didn't even know some of the laws at that point. And then some of them would like later. I'd learn about them. I was like, why weren't you there when I was teaching the class on this? Now I have to redo my class, and the laws. These laws would be like, well, we don't really care about your class. You weren't ready for us, so you know they're not like your best friends. They're just upholding God's laws, right? They're just doing what they do for this reality. But as you understand these laws, how they operate, now you start stepping into like quantum mechanics. You start realising you're becoming the master in your own reality. How does reality work? How do you create the reality that you most desire? That of course has zero harm, and your team, as you're elevating, is going to help you because you're like, okay, I've hit my wall, my you know, I've hit the the frequency fence on this so many times, what am I missing? Like what? And then law of synchronicity. Teach me every or whatever law you need to go to because there's all different laws. You know, organise and synchronise and bring me whatever I need to know so that I can get through this frequency fence. And then the next day you're like, oh my god, how did I not realise that? Or you hear something or you learn something or it's just so much fun. It's a whole new paradigm, so there is a lot of reason to be excited.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:05:04

I can see that you're super excited. It just goes through the screen. I love it. Yeah,

Lori Spagna 1:05:08

it's so fun.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:05:10

Another question that came in: How is time experienced in the spirit world or other dimensions?

Lori Spagna 1:05:19

Okay, so time, as I understand it, is a human creation, but it is a gift in the old paradigm for the experience of time itself. So, time is a fourth dimensional construct that is created through human consciousness. In other words, like let's say one person says, "Oh my God, the time is going by so fast, and the other person's like, "Oh my God, this day just dragged on. Then you hear somebody say, "Well, we all have the same 24 hours. That's not true. That's not true. Time is a construct. You experience it through your lens, through your filter, of how you perceive time. So, like for example, one time I went into the DMV Bureau of Motor Vehicles to go get my licence plate on my car renewed. I get in there. There's like a four-hour wait. I pick the number. My number's like 422. I'm like, oh my god, this sucks. So I go in through into a meditative state, in through my heart centre, and I just command, make it happen right now. Just jump me through time. I mean, I'm. I don't know. I was in a bliss state for I don't what seemed like a matter of minutes, and nothing. What felt like five minutes. I look up. There's my number. Five minutes later, you can play with time. Time is completely bendable. Now, so in the higher so-called realms, time is always right now. Right now, everything's happening always right now. Now is the infinite, and from every now moment, you can create any other now moment. You can go back in time. This is how we do lots of times healing when we do inner child healing, right? For example, or any trauma healing, we're going back to a version of ourselves where we experienced that trauma, that pain, that wounding pattern. But you're in the now moment, accessing that time space reality right so always everything is happening in the now so time as we know it it's just human construct now from the so called higher realms you could say time is like a spiral in a sense so there are energetic blips. I'm calling them blips. That's how it's been taught to me. Moments in so-called time, but it's not linear, where that energy will come up. That energetic blip, and that energetic blip is like the soul of an individual or of a collective, which could include the whole of humanity, has to work through some kind of issue, and this energetic blip has resurfaced in terms of time, or has revealed itself. So, for example, when the year of COVID happened, a lot of people were in the awareness. We're working through traumas of the past of plagues, and if you were in that level of awareness, which I was, you knew this did not have to affect you at all, not in the slightest on a personal level, because if you could clear out any plague energies within yourself or anything like it at all, that would evoke that timeline experience within you. You could be free and liberated, right? I was activating DNA codes of immunity and imperviousness for people. Time is more like an energetic spiral, in a sense of of energetic experiences that are somehow meant to be experienced for either growth and transformation, or for some form of healing, or some kind of lesson to be wisdom lesson learned, wisdom earned. Lessons learned are wisdom earned, if they're integrated properly. So really, it's always the infinite now, and when you can gain presence, that's why presence, divine presence, is a real virtue. You are you're able to be in the stillness in the still point of here now. That's where you claim your power. It's part of where and how you can claim your power, and part of how you begin can begin in any now moment to unify with Source, and then more fully create something that is more to your liking, because you're now in your power. You're in that still point, which has zero interference, but it's always the now. Does that make sense?

Jannecke Øinæs 1:09:51

Yes, and I'm glad I asked that question because I was thinking that we're sort of out of time, but I felt like I wanted to ask it, and it just. Came full circle, and I think that you have to come back again so we can spend more time to delve into these deep questions. This has been really inspirational. It always is with you, Lori.

Lori Spagna 1:10:15

I'm so glad.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:10:17

Yeah, catching up on your newest downloads, and you are really inspiring us to empower ourselves and to receive our own answers and our own downloads. And you gave so many concrete tips on how to do that. And I just feel very elevated and uplifted after our conversations. I'm really grateful. I have a few questions I ask everyone, and my first one is: What is self love to you?

Lori Spagna 1:10:43

oh, it's the reclamation and reunification with the source that is divine love, that is love, and re-embodiment, the embodiment, and the just allowing that every aspect of the totality of our consciousness, which is so much more than a physical earthly body being, is fully, holy, and completely-you know-activated and energised, amplified, anchored in that divine love, and and it's permeating just through our whole entirety. That that is that is the essence of who we are. It's that reclamation and that reunion.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:11:25

And what is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective?

Lori Spagna 1:11:31

I know I've answered these questions before. I'm so curious how I've answered them in the past. It is for the the experience of remembering and reclaiming who we are as love, that reunion, also for yes, learning, growing, healing, transforming, evolving, expanding into more of the greater truth of who we are, and then sharing it. And it is for experience itself, right? The experience, because really, truthfully, no experience is wrong. All experiences are allowed. If they're here, they're allowed. If they're here, they're acceptable. If they're here, they're part of our experience of learning, growing, healing, evolving, remembering, reclaiming. So I think it's sometimes just for the experience, but yes, for all of that. And what is God or Source to you? The infinite, the all that is that is infinitely conscious, consciousness itself, consciousness itself. That in the experience of being it, at one with it, that it is love. It is love, it is truth, it is consciousness itself. I do know. I just closed my eyes for that because it's just like channelled through, but that is my truth too. So I, I hope that's wonderful.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:12:53

Thank you, Lori. So I want to ask you about how people can connect with you, and before you you share a little bit. I just want to share with everybody that you have such a beautiful masterclass in our own Wisdom From North membership about manifesting and really the old way of manifesting, and then teaching the new way of manifesting, which is more of an alchemic process. So, for everyone who wants to experience Lori on our platform, the Wisdom From North platform. Just check out the link below, and we would love to see you there in our membership. And other ways, how can they connect with you, Lori, and work with you?

Lori Spagna 1:13:30

Yeah, for sure, they can go to my website, lorispagna.com. They can get DNA activations at lorispagna.com forward slash free gifts forward slash DNA. They can develop their intuitive gifts and connect with their higher self aspects @lorispagna.com forward slash free gifts. That there's so many of them there, but if you go there, you'll see them. They're at the website, and of course, I'm on YouTube too, and I do offer all of these kinds of teachings and sharings as best as I can as much as I can on YouTube, and I have also a small podcast that I am growing called The Awakened Elevated Human. Maybe you be a guest on my podcast.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:14:11

I would love to.

Lori Spagna 1:14:12

Oh, that would be so fun, Jannecke. Because yeah, I I love to bring just new levels of consciousness and sharing to people. So maybe we'll have you come on my podcast? That would be so fun.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:14:22

That would be an honour.

Lori Spagna 1:14:23

Those are the ways. Yeah, those are the ways. Thank you so much for having me. I love you so much, like a like a sister, which you are.

Lori Spagna 1:14:30

Me too. Feel the same.