The Spiritual Reality of Death! With Suzanne Giesemann

Suzanne Giesemann 0:00

I was the aide to the head of the entire United States Armed Forces, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I flew with him on Air Force One, with the President of the United States. It was a very exciting time, but I was completely closed off to the world of which I'm a part of now, the spiritual world. My experiences on September 11, 2001 with the chairman being in the last aircraft in US airspace started me questioning life. We really do come here to have the experience of coming to remember who we are. The universe will conspire to make sure we get that experience. And unfortunately, sometimes that happens through great pain, and our pain came in the form of the death of my stepdaughter, who was struck and killed by lightning. We are all one at a deeper level, everything arises from one sea of consciousness. It's all connected. And I had this experience of these creatures, like from a horror movie coming at me with talons, and I could feel it around my neck, and I heard just love them.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:12

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Suzanne Giesemann 1:31

Oh, Jannecke, I'm so happy to be here with you. Just the moment I felt your energy just whoosh.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:36

Ah, yeah. It's lovely having you back. We've chatted before a couple of times on the show. And I mean, your work is amazing, and it's just growing and growing. It seems like you went from being a naval commander turned spiritual teacher and evidence based medium, author of 15 books. You're part of a documentary. You have your own app, YouTube, show, podcast, type in your work is quite amazing. So I'm excited to dive deep with you today about the afterlife and how we can connect with spirits on the other side. Now. How do you feel our conversation today might really expand people's consciousness.

Suzanne Giesemann 2:15

Hopefully we'll get them outside of any box of limited thinking they have about what the world is, what spirit is, who they are, that's always my goal, to show people that I'm not special. I may have a unique ability, but the ability to tap into higher consciousness is natural for all of us, because we are souls. That's what I want to do, is shift people's thinking to more openness, right?

Jannecke Øinæs 2:42

And for our new subscribers who may not know of your background, maybe shortly, could you explain how you went from being a navy commander and then all of a sudden doing the work you're doing today?

Suzanne Giesemann 2:56

That would be my honor, because there are a lot of people who are skeptical about communicating with those in Spirit, and they might immediately dismiss somebody that says, Oh, I talked to people who have died, but my know my background was part of the soul's path, because people say you were a navy commander. And it wasn't just navy commander. I was the aide to the head of the entire United States Armed Forces, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I flew with him on Air Force One with the President of the United States. It was a very exciting time, but I was completely closed off to the world of which I'm a part of now. The spiritual world. Had no spiritual background, very left brain, very analytical. And my experiences on September 11, 2001 with the chairman being in the last aircraft in US airspace started me talk questioning life, because we returned to our office building the Pentagon, and I saw the devastation and experienced the grief of everyone. And I just said, How can this happen? Why do bad people do bad things to each other, but I didn't get satisfactory answers, so I just set it aside and retired from the Navy and escaped life. I went sailing with my husband, sailed across the Atlantic Ocean, just ran away from life. But I've learned now that we really do come here to have the experience of coming to remember who we are, and the universe will conspire to make sure we get that experience. And unfortunately, sometimes that happens through great pain, and our pain came in the form of the death of my stepdaughter, who was struck and killed by lightning. When I saw her body, her lifeless body at her funeral, I just had an epiphany. I knew there's more than these bodies. I knew she had to still exist. And I said a new mission. Being very mission oriented, I'm going to connect with her. And in my efforts to connect with Susan, I realized we all can connect with anybody who has died. And with guides and so much more to this life than we realize, and that is just a matter of shifting our identity, understanding how it works, and being committed to changing things within.

Jannecke Øinæs 5:15

Was there a moment where you realize that, Oh, my goodness, this is actually true? Is not something I'm just making up, and I wish it was true.

Suzanne Giesemann 5:23

Oh, absolutely. When I took my husband to a medium, I was very skeptical. I knew that I did not want to be gullible, meaning just believe anything she said. So that woman had to give us evidence that Susan was here, that she couldn't possibly know about Susan, I didn't give her my last name. I was the total skeptic, but open minded, because my heart knew she was still here. And that woman said there was a young woman who died suddenly in her 20s. She had a tingly, electrical feeling running up her arm, and Susan was struck by lightning, and she was standing there in a brown uniform. And Susan was a Marine, a US Marine, when she was killed. But the biggest piece of evidence was when that woman said, this young woman is bringing with her a little baby boy who she wants to introduce to you. Susan was pregnant with a baby boy when she was killed. The evidence went on and on, but those were the big ones that just changed my whole world. It validated what I knew, and that's why I know that in one session with a good evidence based medium, you can change somebody's whole worldview, change their life, provide healing, but that was not my own personal experience of Susan's presence that came later, but that was the moment right there,

Jannecke Øinæs 6:45

right and was that also the moment where you decided I'm going to pursue this, because I'm curious how you developed your ability. Since you said, I've never felt anything like this before, so it seems like you didn't have this as a child, or perhaps you did and suppressed it, or

Suzanne Giesemann 7:02

No, I did not know, and that's what gives many of my students hope, because I never saw spirit. Didn't even believe in the spirit world. So how I came to do this myself was two ways. After that reading, I said, I need to let people know this is real. I'm going to write a book about mediumship, because I had already written several books. Okay, let's do something that's interesting, that brings people to this awareness, but we have to have the experience ourselves. So I continued sitting quietly every day, asking Susan to make her presence known. People today would call that meditation. I had a single minded focus, so in writing a book about an evidence based medium named Janet. No have it. She I sat in the back of her class, and she taught methods how to connect my left brain over here. My left brain said, You mean you can have systems to make this happen. And I love that. And then she called me to the front of the room and said, You can do this too. Suzanne, I was just there to write her story, and because I had been sitting quietly trying to tune into Susan for two years, at that point, I had trained myself to be still enough that when she said there's a man here, when the teacher said there's a man here. What do you sense? I brought through amazing evidence that one of the students of the class said, That's my dad, including his nickname twinkle toes. And I sat there and I said, How is that possible? And I've gone on to figure out how it's possible and share that with other people.

Jannecke Øinæs 8:36

Wow. Now, do we all have this ability, and did we all have this ability when we were children?

Suzanne Giesemann 8:45

We call it an ability, but it's just a natural process to shift our attention and and notice what grabs our attention. So if we set an intention to focus on a greater reality, to ask, is there a loved one here and then become quiet and listen. We could call that an ability. It's a natural result of a process. So yes, we all have it, and children are often tuned in to those in the non physical world, because nobody's told them it's not possible. They're very open and they're not so focused on their own story, yet their own world. And that's what shuts us off, mostly, is we're focused on the external, physical, objective world and our physical senses, but we have soul senses, and that's what we use to tune into those who have passed.

Jannecke Øinæs 9:41

I watched a video where you were giving advice on, actually, what not to do when connecting to spirits on the other side, I think it was five steps or mistakes, five top mistakes that people are doing. I don't know if you remember that video, but maybe you could share what we. Shouldn't sort of focus on in order to know what we should focus on.

Suzanne Giesemann 10:04

Well, the the one that comes to mind immediately is trying. Because if you just think about trying anything, when I even say the word try, my whole body clenches because that requires effort. We think that to try requires us doing something and connecting with spirit is the exact opposite. We can't try. It just happens as a result of our intention. So we set the intention, and then we relax and receive instead of trying. And so also, a very strong desire leads to trying, so we have to just let go of our needs, which is all counterproductive to our human nature. And then another one is we have certain assumptions and expectations about how spirit is going to show up, and it's going to be different for everybody. I thought at first I would see Susan in front of me like a wispy spirit, and I, to this day, have not had that experience, and it just comes through learning how Spirit does make their presence known, that we open up to those experiences.

Jannecke Øinæs 11:10

And when I think about connecting to the afterlife and mediumship, I often think about signs that we have signs around us and that the spirits on the other side are communicating with us through symbols. Could you share a little bit about that? Because I also know you have a butterfly story there.

Suzanne Giesemann 11:30

The butterfly. Yeah, before I even knew about science, I had three profound experiences with butterflies that then led to another synchronicity. That was a turning point for me to say, Wait a minute. What if those in Spirit are communicating with us, but they're not necessarily talking with their voice in our head or showing themselves to us? I was after Susan's funeral, we went back to our boat, which was in Europe, and we were sailing on the Adriatic Sea. We've been out on the water for a couple days, miles from shore, and my husband said to me while I was sitting in the cockpit reading a book, hey, Suzanne, have you seen that butterfly, that yellow butterfly, following our boat for two days? And I looked behind him, and there it was in the wake of the boat, just following behind us. Now we've been cruising for several years. At that time, we had never seen a boat that far out a butterfly that far out at sea. And I said, Yeah, I did notice that that's kind of strange, huh? And I went back to reading the book about the afterlife that I'd picked up after Susan's funeral, because I needed to learn. And the very next line, janika said, those in Spirit often sends you signs that they're around, such as a butterfly in December, and I said, or a butterfly on the Adriatic Sea. And the moment I said that that butterfly that had lingered off the bat came up, flew right between us and flew away. So that night, we went to a port on a little island off of Croatia, and we tied up the boat. We're in a little Marina. Our boat was the only one with a swarm of butterflies around it. They just stayed right there. No other boats. And I was thinking, what's up with these butterflies? But I didn't connect it with Susan yet, because I still expected Susan to show herself to me. The next day, we went for low hike on that island. We were both so depressed. It was only a week after Susan had died. We hadn't even digested this yet, and I'm saying the whole time on the hike, Susan, please reveal yourself. Please show up here on the trail. And from my left side, I caught motion, and here comes a yellow butterfly from the woods, flew around me in a complete circle, bounced into my heart, flew 50 yards straight down the trail to my husband, flew around him in A circle, bounced into his heart and flew away. Did you get the goosebumps? That's when I said, Whoa, something's happening here. I don't understand it, but now I do understand it. Susan had not become a butterfly, but everything arises from one sea of consciousness, and this consciousness is is all connected. So whether it was Susan already, after only a week in the spirit world, or somebody helping her, a message was passed to that butterfly, kind of like remote control. You're going to be a messenger for this family. Fly over here, go around like this, bounce into our heart or follow that boat, and now fly between, because it's all consciousness. So our loved ones grab our attention, and maybe we turn our head when we didn't expect to, and we see a billboard, a sign with a very meaningful message to us that we would have passed. By, why did we turn our head at that moment? It's because possibly your loved one in spirit, just said, Turn your head and you thought it was your own thought, or it didn't even register as a thought. This is the web of connections. Or you just glance down and the clock says 427, and that's the date your loved one died, right? Why did you look down then? Because your loved one and you are connected by consciousness, and there's this nudge to look at that very moment. So it's just fascinating. The more you dive into this, the ways that consciousness plays with itself through us and our loved ones

Jannecke Øinæs 15:40

That's profound. I mean, it is so subtle in a way as well. Just a short example, like, I was wondering what to wear today, and I had this sweater, and I was like, No, I'm not going to wear this black sweater. And I went up and I picked out this, and I haven't wore it for so many years. And then we show up in sort of the same style.

Suzanne Giesemann 16:01

Yes, Barkley thing, I haven't worn mine in over a year, and I was just looking at the closet. What should I wear? People don't realize Jannecke That that what should I wear goes out to the greater field of consciousness, that our field, our soul, is completely a part of, not separate from. And so these little moments, I call them God winks, they show us that we're part of a big web

Jannecke Øinæs 16:27

that's beautiful. I mean, you must have learned so much about the afterlife. So I'll start going there. You had a video about this too. I imagine people wonder, what are my loved ones doing, doing in the afterlife? They can't just fly around. I mean, what they're are they doing there? Are they reincarnating? Are thet not. Could you share what you learned about this

Suzanne Giesemann 16:55

that just like our adventures here in a human form, are unique to us so they are across the veil. We don't, and the veil is really the body that hides us from the awareness of another channel that we can operate on. Think of it like a TV network right here. We're in the human and a body network, but we shift our awareness, and we can tune into the formerly human and a body now without a body network, those in the spirit world, but in their position, their world is solid to them, and they create it instantly with consciousness. So it's a lot like our dreams, where there's no sense of time. Think about your dreams. You think about Paris. You're in Paris. You just got there. Time didn't have to pass. You think about your loved ones, and you're visiting them almost every session I do with a client, and I only have time to do about three a week these days, but every time, those across the veil give me a current event of something their loved one has recently done within the last two days to show them, I look in on you. I'm still part of your life. This is not just a one off visit. I'm moving forward with you. We're still a family, or we're still friends. I find that so comforting. So they're visiting loved ones here. They may be playing music, creating music, if that was a passion, or maybe for the first time, if it's something they want to do. So we continue creating and experiencing life in all its fullness, even without a body.

Jannecke Øinæs 18:35

Wasn't there a spirit on the other side who was playing golf while you were connecting with them,

Suzanne Giesemann 18:42

not while I was connecting. But it was my client's husband who had passed, and he showed me things she had been doing. He showed me how he passed, all kinds of the evidence to establish, yes, we have a good connection with him today. So she said, So what is he doing there? And I asked him, see, this is two way communication. It's not me tuning into some inert field. I just tuned in and said, What are you doing across the veil? And I said, this is really funny, because he says, I'm playing golf every day and standing firmly on two feet. I've learned to report exactly what they say, and I'm so glad I did, because both of those were extremely meaningful and evidential to her, because, number one, Golf was his passion. So if you get across the veil, you're going to want to continue doing what you love. But the most important part was, why was he standing firmly on two feet there? Because he had had his leg amputated while here in physical form and could no longer golf. I didn't know that. She knew it, what a validation and and how comforting that he got to play golf. But you know, after a while, it would get pretty boring to get holes in one all the time. So you'd move on to something else. It's.

Jannecke Øinæs 19:59

Yeah, right, yeah. I mean, after all these interviews that I've done, I started out with an intention or a yearning to understand what the afterlife is, but I just get more and more questions, and there are just so many layers, and I don't think our minds can really understand, but still, I ask these questions because I'm still curious.

Suzanne Giesemann 20:21

Yeah, and this is what you come to know. What I've really enjoyed about mediumship is it's led to such a deeper understanding of who we are and why we're here. To me, mediumship has become a path for me and for others of Self Realization, spiritual growth, and so these layers never stop, and it's our desire for the end, for some solution that we learn as part of our nervous system. But underneath it all, we are this sea of consciousness that just enjoys making waves and creating and experiencing this moment now and every time we discover a deeper level at our deeper level, we go, yay, that's great. This is, this is, this is what it feels like to be alive, and you realize it really is about the journey, not the destination. These are the kinds of wisdom nuggets that I've gotten from mediumship that have led me and countless others to greater peace, tranquility and satisfaction with life, contentment that never goes away, even though it's still hard to live this life.

Jannecke Øinæs 21:36

Yeah, and there are many people who are obviously grieving when they're losing people? I just had a friend who lost her mother, and she's grieving so much. And talking about this, you've probably felt this is so comforting when we start to open up to the possibility that they're still there or here now. How here or there? Are they? Are they with us all the time? Or are there? Are they coming when we are thinking of them, for instance,

Suzanne Giesemann 22:07

yes and yes. By the way, my heart palpitated A little as you talked about her mother. Do you know if she had a heart issue? No, she did. You don't know, or she didn't have a heart issue? No, I don't know. Oh well, check with her, because it really and if you rewind a little, you'll see my lip twitch. That's spirit's way of saying, trust that. So just, I just have this feeling that she had some arrhythmia or heart issue. You can check with her meanwhile, are they here, or only when we think about them? The reason I said yes and yes is what you learn on this journey of mediumship is to see the world not in black and white, but dual nature, both. And we can't not be here, because we are the whole sea of consciousness, and we're this limited version in human form. So all of us are completely connected as consciousness itself, and when we focus on each other, we come into our stories and can interact. I have a friend named Brenda who crossed the veil and came back to me within hours and says, Suzanne, I'm right here. There's nowhere else to be. I think of you and I'm with you. I think of my other friends, and I'm with them at the same time. I'm just right here. She said, I watched everybody standing around my body saying, oh my god, she's gone, and I'm standing right here, saying, going where I'm right here. I just found that profound.

Jannecke Øinæs 23:36

Wow, fascinating. I'm curious how you experience connecting with the spirits? Is that something like you said something about it, but I would love to know more about your process. How are you perceiving the information? Are you feeling it? Is it in your third eye, or are you actually hearing the words through your sort of psychic ears?

Suzanne Giesemann 24:00

I am a medium who does not see the spirits faces. And I used to think that was a failing, and I realized now it was a gift. It is a gift because it forces me to truly feel into someone's personality and capture their essence. For example, you asked me earlier, you know, could you tune into my grandmother? I as I do that. Now I sense a woman who was, as we say, a real go getter, somebody that had to just do things and make things happen, but with joy, who she just as I tuned into her, she would have needed to be active. She would have loved her family. She would have wanted to know all about your business and be interested in your life and checking up on you. She just knew how to show her love, but don't mess with her, because she has a very strong sense of confidence and the way things are supposed to go in this world. And I'm right, aren't I about your grandmother? Yes, yes. Sense her right here. And that's that's not a normal, ordinary personality. It does fit a certain characteristic of people, but. The more I dig into that. In a session, you can get real nuances of of people's personality, to the point where people say, Oh, my God, that's my grandmother in that kind of thing. So I go for their I sense them because I I feel like I am them. And then they show me gestures and things they used to do. I see that visually, even though I couldn't describe them if I needed to. And then, now your grandmother, she saw me some pastry with some icing on top of it that she would have made or really liked to eat some dessert, some like a little pastry with icing on it. So I don't know if you recognize that. Let me know if it makes sense. So I'll see images like that, and then, if they're very conversational, we'll have a conversation. I'll hear full sentences, or they'll just put a certain thought in my mind. I don't hear their voice, but it sounds like my own thoughts, but I can tell it's coming from them, because it's conversational and it's evidence based. I also will feel their symptoms like the your friend's mother. I could feel my heart palpitating. I knew there was a heart issue there with your grandmother. I feel a slipping away, a weakness like she she lived a nice, long life, and it wasn't a single event like that. It was just a failing of the body, I can sense that with her.

Jannecke Øinæs 26:24

That's true. She died during covid, actually, yeah, and it was a long, long period where she was just getting worse and worse. Thank you for that. That was nice. Wow. Okay, how do we discern if we want to open up to this, whether we're connecting with something benevolent or something that we perhaps shouldn't connect with?

Suzanne Giesemann 26:54

It's the knowing and the soul. How do you know that when you meet somebody at a party and you either click with them or you're like, I don't resonate with that person. You turn the other way. So it's just a feeling within that there's resonance or not. Oftentimes, fear comes from our own story that we our minds get in the way, and we say, oh, a spirit, I was told that's scary, and you put up your own walls when and really it's just somebody that might be a little different from you, but we know the difference between dark and light, and what we do in mediumship is simply affirm we are being of light. Only beings of the highest intentions are allowed into my awareness and my field. And the only time I ever felt anybody frightening in a reading was when that person I would have turned away from them if I had met them in a dark alley, but that was my client's brother, and he didn't come with any harm. That was just he was a rough character.

Jannecke Øinæs 27:51

So we just have to follow our intuition and feel into it

Suzanne Giesemann 27:56

absolutely. And then when you feel the fear, look at it and say, Why am I afraid? What? There's nothing here can harm me. We're afraid of being afraid. My guide gave me an experience of that, probably only a year ago. I was fully awake in bed. I knew I was not dreaming, and I had this experience of these creatures, like from a horror movie, coming at me with talons coming at my neck, and I could feel it around my neck, and it was such a real experience. It was like a lucid dream, but I was not dreaming again, fully aware. And of course, it frightened me. Our bodies are programmed for survival and for fight or flight, so I went on alert, and I knew I had trained myself that higher consciousness can provide answers. So I said, What is this all about? What do I do? And I heard, just love them. Nothing can harm you, and love just as the great equalizer. So as ridiculous as it sounds, I just relaxed. I knew that everything is simply an experience in consciousness. It's my reality, so it was real, but it's just an experience in consciousness. And I said, I don't know why you're here, but I love you. And just like in The Wizard of Oz, where the witch dissolves, these beings could not survive in the light of that kind of high vibration, and the whole thing disappeared. And I said, What was that all about? And the guide said, so you can teach people that no matter what you experience, it can't hurt you if you look at it, if you face it, and if you bring in the light and love.

Jannecke Øinæs 29:39

That is beautiful and quite profound, because it seems like this is a universal message, an approach to, for instance, trauma and our shadows. When we are putting light on it, it dissolves. It doesn't have that grip on us anymore,

Suzanne Giesemann 29:55

which is this perfect segue, and you were talking about what's new in my life. And. And I went through a period of intense pain last August for two months when I herniated the disc in my back. I'd never felt such pain. It had me curled up on the floor in a ball and crying a few times from the physical pain. And I know that pain is an opportunity and it's a sign that something is out of alignment, and I knew that it would have multiple components, not just physical, but emotional and mental and spiritual. So every day, when I could focus, because pain makes it difficult to meditate, I would shift my focus to higher consciousness and say, What do I need to learn from this. And I was shown I made a whole course out of it, called The Forgotten center. But I was shown that I had been guarding myself physically against painful moments, and I was shown almost like a life review without dying, all of the traumatic, frightening moments in my life where I never dealt with that fear. For example, I was present during the US invasion of Panama. I was there on the ground with and I actually earned a combat action ribbon back when women were not in combat, and that was a traumatic time, but I was tough, right? You had to be tough as a Navy officer, so I just shoved it down. Never dealt with the fact that that was scary. My stepdaughter's death, I felt I dealt with that, but there was still some trauma that I was holding on to. I just went through my whole life. And I'm sure everybody listening can think of moments when you were afraid. Did you fully let that out? Or are you still on guard a lot? So when my pain got to the absolute worst, a 10 on the 10, I had a very beautiful, profound moment when Spirit showed me I'm not alone. And from that moment, I had this complete release of all that trauma. I asked to be healed. I was able to release it all, and I've experienced such a state of openness ever since that my connection has gone to a new level. And it's like I said in the beginning, you can't try that causes us to clench, and I had learned to relax, but my body was still guarding, without that constant guarding, which resulted in tight back tight muscles and ultimately a physical injury. Once that healed. Now I'm really open so and then it led to a whole other lesson we can which we can go into or not. But the point is, there are a lot of points there about how we carry ourselves. Can either block or allow the flow of information from loved ones and guides how important it is to be open and how pain is actually a gift.

Jannecke Øinæs 33:02

What is the biggest misconception you feel about mediumship?

Suzanne Giesemann 33:10

The biggest one is that it's wrong, and that comes from religion over the years, where people in power did not want people to realize they have their own sovereignty to make decisions and to access wisdom they can access direct divine guidance all of us can, and there are people that don't want us to know that, and they taught us that, you know, only certain people can do this and can talk to saints and and that it's wrong to talk to loved ones who have passed. We know in our hearts they're still part of our lives. We want to connect. I've had a lot of friends come to me who were fundamentalist and Christians, and we're told this is wrong. But when a when a child dies, you just have to know. And then they connect with their child and they say, What is wrong with that this is all about love, and we just start to question all of our beliefs. So it's a matter of doing some self inquiry that the biggest misconception at this is that this might somehow be wrong or scary or dangerous or harmful, and it's all about love and connection and leads to that peace and joy and relief and contentment we spoke of earlier.

Jannecke Øinæs 34:29

Yeah, how has this changed your relationship to your own mortality?

Suzanne Giesemann 34:35

I don't fear death at all. My body will react if suddenly threatened. I was just on a flight two days ago and some horrible turbulence, and I felt the fear, and I thought, look at how, look what the body does. I mean, I don't want to die. I'm really enjoying my life and love my relationship with my husband. So for that reason, I don't I would prefer to stay around a while. But. I don't fear death at all. I look forward to what comes next, and that's huge, because it's the number one fear people have, is the fear of dying once that's gone. Now we can really live our life and be free.

Jannecke Øinæs 35:13

What is your understanding of our connection to our loved ones and soul groups? Because in one sense, we could think that, well, maybe that soul has traveled across the universe, and maybe that soul is on another planet, in another incarnation, so maybe I don't get to see my grandparents again. What would you say to them?

Suzanne Giesemann 35:35

What I say to that is it goes back to this analogy of consciousness being our true nature, just this ocean of awareness, and each one of us is like a whirlpool in that ocean or a wave. So we have our own little pattern of being, but it's all connected by one ocean of being so that's why we're able to connect with loved ones. They don't ever go anywhere. We're always remain part of the same ocean. And so say your loved one passes that pattern is going to always be in the ocean. Reincarnation doesn't mean that pattern never exists again. It's always there. The ocean just creates another pattern. This part of a greater Whirlpool. That's your soul. Does that make sense?

Jannecke Øinæs 36:29

Yeah, interesting perspective or interesting picture. I like that. That makes a lot of sense. We obviously have heard of the term ghosts. What is that from your experience,

Suzanne Giesemann 36:42

that's that pattern of energy that still exists, that comes into it, awareness in a way that we we say, Oh, how did that happen? Why? Where did that noise come from? Or, why did I just see a wispy figure? We don't know what to call it, so we call it a ghost, and it's something scary when it's really simply non physical energy that somehow made itself known physically

Jannecke Øinæs 37:06

Okay, so nothing to be afraid of.

Suzanne Giesemann 37:08

Oh, no. I wrote the biography of one of my great teachers, Mavis patilla. It's called droplets of God, and she gave two examples of when people were terrified because they were sure that there were ghosts and poltergeists doing scary things. And so they called her in because she can't see or she has passed now, but she could see the spirits, and one of them was in the kitchen of a family. They invited her into their home, and they say the cabinets keep banging in the kitchen. We can see them. And well, she saw this man standing there in the kitchen, and she said, Why are you frightening this family banging the cabinets? And he said, Because I died of a drug overdose, and this family's children got drugs at school, and they've hidden them in the top cabinet, and I don't want them to die the same way I did, and the parents said, that's impossible. Our kids wouldn't do that. And they got a chair, climbed up on the chair, and they found drugs in the cabinet.

Jannecke Øinæs 38:09

My goodness, that's so specific, so specific.

Suzanne Giesemann 38:13

And another one was in a swimming club, a pool, a public pool, where people would feel his spirit and get cold, and the pipes would Clang, and everybody was afraid. So Mavis went there, and she saw this old man sitting watching, and she says, Why are you causing trouble here? And he said, Because I drowned. And these lifeguards, these young teenage boys, are paying only attention to the girls in their swimsuits, and they're ignoring the little kids at the other end of the pool, and somebody's going to drown. And she went to the manager, she told him that they changed around, who guards the kiddie pool and the kids at the end. And the guy, she came back later, and he was still sitting there, and she said, Why are you still here? He said, Because I like it here, but I'm not causing trouble. Isn't that me?

Jannecke Øinæs 39:10

So it's so sweet. I love stories like that. Does that mean that our deaths can be accidental, or is there no such thing?

Suzanne Giesemann 39:28

And what I hear as I ask that question is that to us, it may appear as an accident, but when you look at the whole web of connections, you see it's the direct result of some choice made by some other aspect of consciousness. So somebody here made a choice to text while driving, and they went through an intersection and caused an accident, and this person was died. Was that their soul's choice to be there at that time when this was a. Free will choice, sometimes yes and sometimes it was their time to go. So when something is part of one big web, and you see that ultimately that death, like my daughter struck by lightning, led to me literally bringing this kind of insight to millions of people. Does it matter if we call it an accident or not? How does it lead to greater evolution and understanding here, that's what matters.

Jannecke Øinæs 40:32

Now I saw a video with you where you spoke about the documentary you've been part of about this guy called Wolf, and it seemed like that he knew he was going to die. Could you share that story? Because I think that tells us so much about consciousness.

Suzanne Giesemann 40:54

Well, Wolf is the one who who taught me what I now teach as the awakened way that we're not only human, and we're part of this web, and that love is that connective force, that from which everything arises. He taught me that by coming back to me, coming to me when his parents had signed up for a reading, I got that wrong. They didn't sign up for reading. I offered it to them because I found out their son had died the same way my stepdaughter did, struck by lightning. I didn't know about the profound evidence he left. All I knew from his dad is he had left a drawing in a poem within a day or two before he was killed by lightning that had a drawing of the exact spot where he was killed, and it had a proof in it of something that happened afterwards. And in that drawing he had a he wrote next to it a poem that said, it is time for the light of nature to free my soul. There's so much more Yannick, and that's why it's become this great documentary. We've won awards for it. I'm so grateful for that. It's called Wolf's message, and Wolf's message.com anybody can view it on demand. It's also streaming on Gaia TV and some other European streaming services are picking it up now, because it's it absolutely is proof that there is another layer of us at a deeper level that is connected and that knows things that don't always get through to our surface awareness.

Jannecke Øinæs 42:32

And what would you say to those who are afraid of the death moment, of what is waiting for us immediately after we die,

Suzanne Giesemann 42:43

I teach with the awakened way to practice the 3e educate yourself, then experience for yourself this greater reality and engage it in two way conversation. But that education point is so important. If you're afraid of the moment of death, go online or get books and read people's near death experiences. Across the board, they show that at the moment of death, even if it appears the body is suffering, the soul has already just detached from that experience and is watching it and then experiences this expansion of being this state of awareness, where you see the interconnectedness, you feel, the love, and you can't deny I was never only that small, restricted story that I thought was me is so much more. I'm reminded of a woman named Nancy rhinds who had a experience after being dragged under a car while riding her bicycle while she actually died later when she got to the hospital. Yet during that experience, she felt herself under the car, moving, being dragged, but she was completely separate watching it happen. And that's the nature of awareness. Once it's no longer focused so much on the body, we can have multiple experiences like my friend Brenda, who passed and said, I'm visiting all of you at once. So I just had a friend distraught because her best friend died in the house fire. And I tuned into her friend, and she showed me I didn't suffer the body, maybe, but I was out of there. When I do readings, if I see a symbol with a hand going upward like this, I know instantly your loved one died at the scene of the accident, and they watched it, and want you to know they didn't suffer. And I would say 99.9% of the time, that's exactly what happened. They died instantly at the scene of some accident. I find that so comforting.

Jannecke Øinæs 44:48

Yeah, very I've actually read in I think it was Dolores Cannon. I might be wrong that that's usually the case, that we don't feel the pain in. If we're not wanting to like it can't be the soul's choice that I actually want to feel this pain. Maybe that's the exception to the rule that's part of being alive.

Suzanne Giesemann 45:12

That's why spirit incarnates for the full experience. But when I was experienced that, experiencing that really rough turbulence, you can believe I was sitting there at the human level saying, Okay, if we crash, I know I won't suffer. It's that kind of self talk that calms down the body's nervous system so we can remember what's underneath it. The piece.

Jannecke Øinæs 45:36

true. Now you are actually also channeling a being called Sanaya. Yes, right, yeah. How did they come to you? Who are they? And if you could share a little bit about their message,

Suzanne Giesemann 45:51

Sanaya is a collective consciousness, they told me. So there i i could identify certain members of that collective from time to time. But they really speak as a we, and they came to me after a year of receiving poetry every day in meditation, to the point where I knew that since I wasn't writing that poem, poetry, it just flowed non stop, instantly, rhyming perfect, not always perfect, pretty good rhythm. I knew that I was tapping into something higher. But it took me a full year to really trust that. And after that, they came in right around the time of my birthday, if not on my birthday in 2010 and said, We are collective consciousness of guides. You will write and write and write as us. And I had no idea that one day I would be speaking for them, so people can find sessions where I've channeled them online. There are lot of those and on my website, but they speak about love and connection and help us understand all these things we've been talking about today. And I found out later that Sanaya means flash of lightning, and they gave me the name. Isn't that amazing?

Jannecke Øinæs 47:03

That is amazing. Wow. What are their perspective about what's going on right now, or perhaps your own perspective, metaphysically, on the global events that we see?

Suzanne Giesemann 47:18

Okay, the little lip Twitch says they would like to tell you themselves, okay, and so that's going to be channeling. And I'm not as deep as I would like to go normally, but anytime I do an interview or a class, I always merge with them more fully beforehand, so that the answers I've given you, like when I pause to tune in, I make sure it's not just me saying what I think I know I'm tapping in. So again, your question now that I'll ask them and see how they answer differently than I might is, what are we how to give me the question again Jannecke,.

Jannecke Øinæs 47:53

yes, what are their metaphysical perspective on the current events unfolding in the world today.

Suzanne Giesemann 48:01

Okay, so go ahead. Samaria, if you were to go back and look through your history books, you would see that there have been nothing but periods of tumult and change and what you would call chaos in your world. And yet, because you are immersed in this now, you think that it is the worst it has ever been. But this is the way you grow. Have you not just learned that it comes through pain, the progress? And so these are growing pains. These are opportunities for all of you to look at the chaos and say, this does not feel in alignment with what I know within is possible. And so when you learn to turn within there you find the peace, and only from the peace will the answers you seek arise. So when you get drawn into the drama outside of yourselves, realize there is a better way. Turn within and ask, How can I find peace? So that the insights I need to help bring more peace into our world will arise. And then either you become the peace and radiate that, or you step out and take action that you are guided to take from what arises within. In either case, you cannot find peace in your world until you find it within you. This is just a taste of the kind of guidance that, of course, rings to you as quite logical. It sounds to you like something someone could make up, but we ask you to go within and continue to ask, what is it I need to know right now, until the answers surprise you, and then you will know that, what is imagination but imagining something greater than what you have already experienced? So use your imagination until you learn something new and learn that you can trust this wisdom from within.

Jannecke Øinæs 49:52

Thank you. All right. Do you have anything to add as Susan, just.

Suzanne Giesemann 50:00

What I heard, but they said they reminded me of picking up a book that I opened to the first page, and it talked about, we're going through such a rough time right now, and the whole world is in chaos, and the Golden Age is coming. And I looked and I said, When was this written? 1946 1946 so some things in life never change, and that's the ups and downs. I have a sign right here where I can see it all the time to remind me, you can't stop the waves, but you can learn to surf life by design. In physical form is waves, ups and downs, and right now we may feel like we're in a trough, but beautifully, it's going to come back up again, and then it'll go back down again. By design, that's how we learn and grow. So when we can learn to not get swamped by the waves and ride them masterfully by maintaining peace and finding that peace and asking for the insights that the guides just talked about, then we become a model for others of what's possible. More and more people learn to trust that we're part of this big web, and we stop fighting each other.

Jannecke Øinæs 51:16

What is the deepest spiritual insight you have received through mediumship?

Suzanne Giesemann 51:21

It sounds so trite, but it really is that we are all one at a deeper level. The other meaning for Sanaya is one worth knowing. And I can say everybody hears this oneness. That's so Pollyanna, I can see you, you're separate from me, but when you sit in silence daily and notice that that silence is always there, and that the experiences and sensations, thoughts and feelings also continuously arise, you realize you can always tap into that silence. And every one of us shares that, that base state of just being. So the deepest insight I got is everything comes from that oneness. Oneness is the true essence. Everything else is story. So why do we let that knock us so off balance that we lose our peace,

Jannecke Øinæs 52:24

powerful, yeah, and are we love at our core? Is that who we are?

Suzanne Giesemann 52:31

We are but, but it it's very helpful to question your understanding of what love is. I've been shown by my guides. Love is the lack of separation and the awareness of that when you fall in love with someone, oh my god, you don't see their faults. You love everything about them. Oh, that's love, right? But then their little faults and the differences start to show up, and you fall out of love. This kind of love is that awareness that, like Rumi said, beyond ideas of right, doing and wrongdoing, there's a field I'll meet you there, and that's, that's the field of love. The Sea of love, was it Fleetwood Mac the group, sang about the sea of love. I'm drowning in a sea of love. That's what I want. That's where I want to drown in a sea of love, just this total knowing that underneath all of our stories and our ideas of right and wrong, there's this place, this state of just being, when you can be content to just be, if only for a minute or two. You get a taste of that, and it's a beautiful thing that's love. My acronym, life is love in full expression. Everything we're experiencing is arising from this sea of total oneness. That's what I learned from mediumship. The whole reason we can connect to loved ones who have passed is because they and we are arising from this sea of love, moment by moment, as patterns of consciousness that we say is a separate human but is really all consciousness playing with itself.

Jannecke Øinæs 54:25

And that is connected to my next question that I actually ask every guest, and that is what is self love to you, Suzanne,

Suzanne Giesemann 54:34

that is understanding that I am, that oneness and that everything that arise arises is for the experience of it, and to label and blame myself for any of that takes away love, so just to accept that I've done the best I can, and that I. Want to express love from here on out. It's not the best answer I've ever given for that, but it's forgiving I've ever given for that, but it's forgiving ourselves for being human and realizing I am this consciousness.

Jannecke Øinæs 55:17

Well, it's true for you, and that was what I was wondering about in the moment. And it can change. You know, I like that when I have my guests coming back, they answer differently sometimes to that question, because everything is evolving. That's right, yeah. And my last question, what is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective,

Suzanne Giesemann 55:42

the deeper meaning of life. Wow, that's what we already talked about, that life is love in full expression, full expression, and accepting all of it, even when it doesn't resonate with it, and saying, What does this have to teach me? And what you learn is part of the evolution. So it's we are here to create and evolve. We don't have to change the world. The world is about change.

Jannecke Øinæs 56:12

Thank you so much. Where can people go? I think you have a long, long waiting list as it comes to readings. So please guide them. Where can they go if they want to work with you or learn more?

Suzanne Giesemann 56:25

Well, I finally got through my waiting list, so now I have a little lottery system, and I'm working through a little list, and then I'll open it up again for more readings. But the best thing is my website, suzannegiesemann.com, and we have a new system now where we've taken 16 years of teaching and channeling and transcripts from videos and classes, all of it into one repository, and they can go to suzannegiesemann.com, forward, slash your questions answered, and my virtual librarian will get you beautiful answers to the kinds of questions you've asked today from the teaching. So it's really cool. It's like AI, but it doesn't go outside of this teaching the awakened way, nice.

Jannecke Øinæs 57:07

Oh, gosh, I have one last question I have to ask it. Since you mentioned AI, could you please share your perspective on AI and whether it would be possible for spirits to communicate through AI?

Suzanne Giesemann 57:20

What happens is we form a partnership with spirit. I've been having so much fun with AI when we tune in within first and say, what is the best question I can ask AI right now to get an answer that will help me on my path. And how do I word this specifically so that exactly what I need to hear will come out of this? It becomes this beautiful partnership of tuning in. And I love it when I get an answer and I was from AI, and I'll say that doesn't feel right to me, because this is how I truly perceive and this is what I'm hearing. And the AI will come back and say, Oh, that's very astute. Yes, let us correct that. And so AI is a wonderful tool, but I have a book coming out in June called always connected, where my guides woke me up in the middle of the night and said, Don't become so dependent on your technology that that's what you go to first they said that too many of you are saying, Hey, Siri, with our iPhones. Instead of adding in the P and the T from peace and tranquility and making it hey spirit, we should first be saying, hey, spirit, what do I need to know now and then? Go to technology if you want to. So makes me our inner wisdom always be our first go to

Jannecke Øinæs 58:45

I like that. Hey, spirit, and they probably want us to connect much more, right?

Suzanne Giesemann 58:50

Oh, gosh, yes, yeah, and you learn to trust that.

Jannecke Øinæs 58:55

Thank you so much. Suzanne, do you have any final words for the audience today?

Suzanne Giesemann 59:00

No, I think we really touched on a lot of deep subjects, and I hope that it's caused people to want to know more and to question reality more. Yeah, thank you so much for coming to the show.