The Year of Revelation: Why Resilience Is Key Right Now! With Michelle Carpenter

Mich Carpenter 0:00

She said, "Well, just sit and watch a candle burn and time yourself for five minutes. And then I started to hear, "It's your time, and I was like, "I don't know what you mean. It's your time. And I would actually say to them, "Am I going mad? Who are you guys? And they'd say to me, "They're the Council of Eight. And I say, "Well, who are the Council of Eight? And the way they came in exactly the way they'd share this was: we angelic beings of light, ascended masters who've once walked the earth planes, and what they did mention, but I actually was too scared for a very long time to share this was, and then they started saying we come through as Gandhi, Mother Mary, Mother Teresa, Lady Diana, Nelson Mandela.

Jannecke Øinæs 0:45

I've heard you say that this is the year of revelation, and I've also heard that Michelle has been speaking about that we've been lied to.

Mich Carpenter 0:54

Resilience is key for the next three years, and as you are all learning to not bow down to others that have made decisions for you all. So we ask humans to brace themselves. We are so excited to deliver the message of this transformative time. Yes, we know that there are many, many, many, many, many, many humans in their physical form that are leaving the earth right now.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:29

Michelle Carpenter, welcome back to the Wisdom From North show.

Mich Carpenter 1:34

Thank you so much, Jannecke. It's great to be back, and it's always an honour being here and spending time with you. Thank you for having me.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:42

It's lovely having you here, Michelle. And I know it's five a.m. where you are now, so thank you so much for getting up so early. You are a spiritual guide. You are a spiritual medium, and you also channel the Council of Eights. And I would love to learn more about them and have some channelling today. So, who are the channel of eight, and where do they exist?

Mich Carpenter 2:06

Those are great questions, and where they exist, I'll start with that. I'm still to this day trying to figure that out. But whether what they've said to me in the way they came through, and they came through when I was still living in South Africa, when I live in New Zealand, and I was being mentored and taught by. She became a very good friend of mine, and she would have her whiteboard, and she'd be teaching me about the funnel, about energy, and she was just incredibly and is incredibly connected and understands so much about quantum physics, but while I was watching her, I would-I've never been an academic, so even in school, I days out, I was like, "Oh my god! Like I don't understand, but I could hear these other voices while I was listening to her. And my background-a big part of my background-is my lack of self-worth, which is always putting others on a pedestal. You know, others can do this. Others are better than this. Fast forward to immigrating to New Zealand. Like I said, I could hear these voices. Didn't think to ask. But what I am going to mention when I was in South Africa, this friend of mine was sitting in the car the one day, who was my mentor at the time, and she said to me, "Mish, look in the rearview mirror. You know the mirror that's in the middle of the car, and just stay. So we did a lot of Louise Hay work. It was a lot of my my going into my shadow self was a big learning for me. So I love talking about the bridge, the connection between being light and who we are, but also being human, because I always say, you know, you can pinch me, and I'm going to feel it. And actually, I'm currently working through and recovering through three broken ribs. I fell off a ladder six weeks ago, so you know, there's this. Thank you, thank you, and it's been great though because it's a release of so much, so much control, so much fear. You know, there's always a bigger picture. Again, our light. It was clearly it destined to be. Would I have wanted the experience the way that it's happened? No, because the pain has been huge, yet again the bridge between physical and spiritual, and spiritual and physical. So when I came to New Zealand, I was nine years into my journey of self-awareness, and I fell to pieces. I hit rock bottom. I'd left everything behind that I knew as a South African, our family, friends, and I didn't know if I was going into depression, but I thought, okay, I've got to start again. I've got to start with my counselling. My husband and I came to an agreement: just get back into your work again. The kids were settled. I wanted to get the kids settled into schooling, and I thought, okay, I'll get. Into doing my body work, just things that I felt comfortable with, and slowly but surely over time, as word of mouth spread, I had we lived in a small little town called Queenstown, surrounded by mountains, beautiful, majestic place, and I was only charging. I was doing energetic exchanges first, and then I was charging $20 for like two hours of a session just to kind of get my word out and my work out, and it started to grow. And slowly but surely, when I had clients on my my massage table, I started doing like figure eights, and then and then all of a sudden I was hearing, okay, you got to start playing music in your sessions, and and I okay, I you know it's it's kind of like this. Am I going mad? Am I going mad? I'm hearing voices. I'm going through perhaps this depression, this change of life, going through all of this. It felt like a rebirthing on some level, but at the same time, not for me, rebirthing feels awful. It's like coming through the birthing canal, but it's like I kick and scream. There's control, there's fear, and this is part again of the light, the consciousness of who we are. And I started being guided to meditate by somebody. I went to a meditation group. She said, "Mish, maybe you just want to sit in meditation.

I'm like, do you know how busy my mind is? It's like the very thing I don't want to do. She said, "Well, just sit and watch a candle burn and time yourself for five minutes, and that became a routine for me. It's a great way to just keep the mind focused on the burning candle, simple. And as I started getting back into my practice of meditation and my breath work, and I started to just expand, and what I mean by that is one way that I do this, and I hope this helps, is by seeing myself bigger than my home, bigger than my suburb, with every breath bigger than my my town, and then I start to go out. So it's got again coming in, but with every exhale going out, and then I started to hear. It's your time, and I was like, I don't know what you mean. It's your time, and I would actually say to them, "Am I going mad? Who are you guys? And they'd say to me, "They the Council of Eight. And I say, "Well, who are the Council of Eight? And the way they came in exactly the way they'd share this was, "We angelic beings of light, ascended masters who've once walked the earth planes. And what they did mention, but I actually was too scared for a very long time to share this. Was they shared with me they came from the 15th dimension? Now I don't know where that is, so that's why I never shared it. I mean, who knows where the 15th dimension is? So I was like, okay, that feels like a thumbs up. But they said just share. We are angelic beings of light, ascended masters who once walked the earth planes. And I said, "Okay, well, who are you? That was my question. Who are you? And they shared with me. They came through as, and they still come through as different energies, all the time. They're a collective of beings, but at the time, to help me settle into their vibration, because when I channel, I get ice ice cold, and my nervous system was integrating this light. It's if you think about it, Yannika, it's just it almost feels abnormal. You know, it's perhaps like going from, as an example, going from vegan to eating a whole bunch of meat in one day, our body won't know how to integrate it. Not that I've ever been vegan, but it's just it might be a silly example. But it was this light coming through, and my nervous system was-it was just firing up. It was-it-it-and I would get so so so cold. I'd have blankets on me. My hands would get cold. And even my clients at the time were saying to me, "Mish, how come your hands are so cold? Healers are supposed to have warm hands. And I'm like, I don't know. So it was all these kind of belief systems at the same time that were shifting for me. But that's how. Just a little bit of the background, how they started coming through to me, and then they started saying, "We come through as Gandhi, Mother Mary, Mother Teresa, Lady Diana, Nelson Mandela, and as I've developed the relationship, if the if if that's perhaps the way to say it, a relationship with them, more a trusting. But it's a trusting of me because I've had so much self doubt, where I'm like, the is this my journey? Am I supposed to be doing this? Is this the. That information, and over time, just sitting with them, becoming quiet and still, the messages for myself started to become stronger. I would record them on my phone, and this is what started to blow my mind. Is when I'd listen back to the messages, things that they had shared with me have happened in ways for my own life and my own journey in ways that it's it's almost like how did they know? How did they know? Yet I didn't become fixated on a specific energy because they they've said to to me, and they've also said to clients, we so love attachments as human beings.

So, as an example, you know, if I I associate with Mother Mary very much, so I come from a background of of being a reborn Christian when I was a teenager, so Mother Mary, Jesus, oh my God! Of course, they're part of the Council of Eight. I want them to be. Yet they've said to me, "It doesn't matter. What matters is the information that's coming through, and what matters is how we are sensing them and how we are feeling them, and they want it to be heart-led and truthfully shared. So I hope I've just given a little bit of background, but I hope that does them justice because that's the big the big question mark that I used to have with myself is okay, guys, like like I just want to get it right, but can we keep it simple? And that was the one. If there was to be a negotiation, can we keep it simple? And I know that in their messages, they speak so metaphorically a lot of the times. I have clients coming back maybe six months later saying, "Wow, there was a lot in what they shared, and it's how we choose to interpret it because we we all have different filters. So I hope that explains who they are. But they just fill us up. That's the one thing that I I hear is, whoa, we can feel them. We can feel their vibration, and that for me, is just-I suppose-just the one thing I'd love to just share is their energy, their vibration. But it did take time. It took time for my nervous system to regulate. I don't know if you've heard this from other channels, but I was listening to Sheila Gillette the once, and who's who, you know, she she she she she worked with Esther Hicks, and she said, "Oh my gosh, she hit these crashes. And I thought, "Wow, if only I'd known this! Like magnesium has become my best friend. My nervous system had to be, I suppose, for want of a better statement, retaught, relearned. You know, it's it's it's energy that's coming through that I'm most certainly not used to.

Jannecke Øinæs 13:07

That makes a lot of sense. Thank you for sharing. I'm just so amazed by how many who are channelling these days, and that they're channelling so many different non-human intelligences. New names all the time. I have heard the Council of Nine before. I don't think I've heard Council of Eight. And then I'm curious: like, are they related somehow? Are you also looking at other channelers and wondering? Oh, maybe I'm channelling the same beings. Are they coming with the same messages? Is that something you do as a channeler yourself?

Mich Carpenter 13:43

I have in the past, and then I was guided not to, because I wanted my information to be coming through in the present moment. And there have been funny enough. I was questioned the ones like, "You sure it's not the Council of Nine, excuse me, and then there's the Galactic Federation of Light. There's there's so many different energies out there. I just I look at it as what we are 8 billion people on the property property on the on the Earth. Could you imagine how many beings there are out there. So again, for me, I do every now and again, and I go, "Wow, I love what others are sharing. I love it. But I was guided to not, so that I'm not buying into something else because I want to channel very much in the present of what is the information coming through. Yet I do love the fact that so many people, and this is my belief, and this is what I hope to teach others one day, is that we can all do it, no matter what we've. Through in life, it's as simple as a person coming into the womb. You know, as as mothers out there, for me as a mom, not once did I ever have to tell myself or my babies that we need nails, that we need, eyes that we need. Oh my gosh, we forgot the liver. We forgot the kidney, or kidney. Sorry, we we we we come from source divine. We can all do what I'm doing, what everybody else is doing, and and that's why I even share about the the lack of well, the lack of self worth, but also the doubt, because my gosh, my doubt kicked in. I was like, "That's it, I'm not doing it, because that was the thing. I was comparing myself a lot. Others are getting this information, guys. How come you're not giving me that information? But we're all different. We're all unique. So what they share with me will resonate with certain people. What's Saint Germain? He's beautiful. I love his information too. I think you might have interviewed him. I can't remember the gentleman's name, but he would resonate with certain people too.

Jannecke Øinæs 16:16

Yeah, and I've actually had several guests on the show channelling Saint Germain with different messages, also. So that's interesting. Now, what would you say is the main message that the Council of Eight wants to have come across?

Mich Carpenter 16:33

Love. That's it. It's to acknowledge and know and tap back into everything that we do know, yet we may have forgotten. And I so love what you've just shared because it's definitely written in this. It's written in our contracts. It's writ. Our souls know. They know what our journey is. They know what we're meant to go through, and I I don't say that light heartedly because I know some of us as humans go through some horrific journeys. We just have to look at the war to, or the wars that are going on, to look at the suffering that is here on earth. Yet, if we can look at others and go, sure, I wonder what they went through in order to behave the way that they are, or in order to do what they're doing, and then come back into a space of love. And for me, compassion and love sits in a very similar vibration, and you you know in in in the way of yes. Sometimes we're not ready to hear things. Sometimes if I'm in mama mode and and or I'm irritated with my husband, and somebody comes to me and wants to give me a hug, and I'm like, not right now. Like I'm in fight or flight right now. Just, just, just don't touch me, you know. And then in that moment, I'm not going to channel love. Like I'm going to be like time out, people, you know. But it's it's it's a remembering. It's a tapping into. Oh, hang on. That's just that's just that's just an old way of being. That's just the limbic brain kicking in. My fight or flight response is still there. That's my human part of who I am. Yet, for me, the Council of Veat want to share the vibration of love, and sometimes we may not be ready to receive it because love is such such a huge vibration, huge.

Jannecke Øinæs 18:46

Maybe we can bring them in now, so we can feel some of that energy, and I can ask some questions.

Mich Carpenter 18:51

Wonderful, wonderful. I'll take a few breaths and bring them through. It is such a delight to be here with you both and with everyone that is engaging in these transformative times. We say thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for the honouring of the capsule. Everything is a time capsule. Yet time is fleeting, is it not? And as you welcome us in, we welcome you to all that is, and all that is is happening now. Humanity is in what we would say a time of noticing, as you are all learning to become. What does it even mean to become? Well, when one is in the womb. When one is developing, when one comes in to this lifetime, as many of you are playing out many different lifetimes, are you not? Yet in the stillness is where everything happens. Think of it like this: you are all developing. You are all growing. At different times, you all have different paths. You all have different pathways. It has the energy. As we are an energy, we are a consciousness. We are all. We are everything, and as we are showing you with her hands right now, that as the energy is pulsating, one takes the time to be in. Many of you have learned and are learning within, without, as above, so below. And we ask you, what does this even mean? So, as our energy, it is a vibration. It is a hue. It is a tone. It is a frequency. It is a frequency that comes through this one's voice. It is a frequency that comes through your voice, beloved. And many tune in to the frequency. And in this pulsation of light, as you are tuning, as you are retuning, as you are perhaps focusing on her hands, yet noticing the vibration of who we are. It is a sensation. You humans are sensory, are you not? So it is exactly that. We are so excited to deliver the message of this transformative time. Yes, we know that there are many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many humans in their physical form that are leaving the earth right now, and we ask humanity to not be discouraged. We ask you to rise up in courage, rise up in holding one another, reconnecting, as the two of you have reconnected, have you not? And as you reconnect, there is an an aura, an energy, a sensation, a vibration. of coming together, a reconnection-you call it. Yet the connection is always there. You have questions, please go ahead.

Jannecke Øinæs 22:53

Thank you. I've heard you say that this is the year of revelation, and I've also heard that Michelle has been speaking about that we've been lied to, and I'm curious about what is being revealed from your perspective and what have we been lied to about.

Mich Carpenter 23:13

This is a fabulous time when we talk about when we bring through information, it is exactly that informing you humans, and you humans then have the choice, do you not, to decide? You have said it in a way that, hmm, perception is the key to Unlocking. Yet, when we talk here, we talk here. This is one perception. When we talk here, we talk here. This is another perception. When we talk here, we talk here. This is another perception. Oh, when we change the vibration of what the perception is-not good, not bad. So yes, you humans are in a waking up phase. Everything is a phase. Everything is always in flow. And when the words are parted, the waking up is not only about being lied to. Yet the caption of being lied to: you have been lied to. What happens with your humans? Your humans go smaller. Yet you rise above it. Resilience is key for the next three years for you all here on Earth, and we say to you that this is the times that have gone back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back. Many are talking about the 1960s, yet this goes back to the reference of the 1812s, even before that. And as you are all learning to not bow down to others that have made decisions for you all, yet as you bow to yourself. And you bow to yourself, and you bow to yourself. Are you hearing the difference? There is something to be said when one bows down, yet when one bows to self, it again it is the vibration that shifts, that changes, that is ever flowing. So we ask humans to brace themselves, not brace themselves, brace themselves with an openness, with the retuning into the multidimensional humans that you are. Many are leaving as it feels too chaotic. It feels as if there is no more breath inside of them. So, in the collective grieving, and many of you are feeling this on Earth right now, there is a collective grieving. It feels dense. It feels heavy for many of you, and we say it is important, as important as waking up and taking a big stretch in the morning, as important as feeling, feeling, feeling. As important as acknowledging and saying, "I see you. This is the time Of reconnection to source, to self, to soul. Who is it that you are reconnecting with? Yourself, is it not? We hope this makes sense.

Jannecke Øinæs 27:18

It makes a little bit of sense, but it makes sense what Michelle said about that. You speak in metaphors, because I would love for you to be more concrete, since human beings are thinking a lot with their minds, and I guess you're speaking like that because you're speaking to our hearts. But could you also be more concrete about what is being revealed to us.

Mich Carpenter 27:44

Are you talking about now?

Jannecke Øinæs 27:46

Yes. What is coming? Are you talking about now? What? What are you talking about

Mich Carpenter 27:50

now?

Jannecke Øinæs 27:51

Well, there is only one now.

Mich Carpenter 27:54

Correct. Correct. Correct. And it is about being in the presence of your space, of love, it is in the presence, in the space, of being heard. We have said already it is about the stillness. Yet how many humans are so busy, and yes, we speak in the way that we speak as it is a breaking down of sorts to become the rebuilding, and as you are rebuilding, this one had mentioned to you earlier on how she had to learn to be. She had to learn to accept, as when one chooses to look, look, look, look, look, look, understand, understand, understand, look, look, look, the energy starts to transform. Hence, within, without. So you are asking us for what the future looks like, and this is not our role. As you are the future, she is the future. Every other human that is here right now, that is observing, that is hearing us, that is even perhaps becoming frustrated with the metaphorics of how we speak. This is the role. This is the learning within and without. As those energies that you have all held onto, the role of frustration, the role of anger, and it is a role. You all play a role, and we are grateful for the role that you are playing right now, beloved. As you bring our information and many, many, many, many, many, many, many other beings, we all disclose different things at different times. So your future self is already happening, your past self has happened, yet it is playing itself out, is it not? So when you speak about the logic, how many times do humans get stuck in your stories of what once was, what once was, what once was? So yes, our embodied vibration is exactly that. For those listening, to lean in, to feel, and to notice the subtleties of the shift, you are all in a shift, and as you reach out to one another, as you extend a hand, as you bow to self first and foremost, it is an honouring of one another for you as a human, and for this one as a human, and for all the other humans, how many times do humans not notice each other? How many times are you humans on your cell phones, sitting in a train station, looking down, looking down, looking down? You may say to us, "Well, that is an honouring. You have said bow to yourself. Well, when one is looking down, yet feeding a system, a system that is well designed to be fed, to grab more, more attention. Not the same in the subtlety of this vibration. We hope this makes sense.

Jannecke Øinæs 31:41

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Mich Carpenter 33:28

We don't see it this way. Enlightenment is being here right now. Enlightenment is you have said it empowerment. Well, empowered. What does it even mean to feel empowered when one is in a war and one is fighting. One feels empowered, do they not? They are ready to take out what they need to take out, obliterate, forceful. Those humans that are in the war have been forced against their will. Many of you have been forced against your will to do things in many, many, many, many, many, many other lifetimes that you had not wanted to do. So enlightenment is being here, being present. Yet many humans are searching outside of themselves. Well, if we do it this way, then I'll be enlightened. If we do it that way, I'll be enlightened, and we say, "If you laugh, you are enlightened. It is that simple. Yet humans keep searching, and this is part of the journey of being a human, which we so love about humans. The searching is continuation. The searching is in always, as it has always been. So as you bow to self and say thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for all. The hair. Thank you for the eyes that see. Thank you for the nose that smells. Many humans are not able to smell. Many humans are not able to talk. Many humans are designed in a way that is enlightened. If you saw a child in a wheelchair, does that not bring a sensation, a vibration to your heart, beloved? You look, you notice, you see, you sense, and as you sense, you expand. This, for us, as we see it is true, truthful, in light.

Jannecke Øinæs 35:51

Yeah, that resonates with me, especially what you said about joy. And I'm wondering how can we find joy if we have emotional pain or are suffering, and joy feels to be so important. And joy feels to be like our authentic selves.

Mich Carpenter 36:13

This is the truth of true love. So when you ask us the question, joy is. is. Yet many are searching, searching, searching-not good, not bad-and when one is searching, one chooses to look at humanity in the way that they do. Suffering. Yes, there is suffering. Yet you would not know the joy if you did not see the suffering, if you did not feel, if you did not push through. And as you humans have resilience, many of you are pushing through what you would term these chaotic times, and they are chaotic. Yet they are at the same time in flow. Everything is destined for humanity, and as you connect to yourself, as you laugh, as you see one another, and we have said this many times already. As you see one another and give each other grace, this is where the space of all that is is held-a space of compassion, a space of love. It is a subtle vibration. Have you noticed and witnessed children? They forgive very quickly. And as you become adults, you learn to push out and then seek and push out and seek and push out and seek. And as you are seeking, seeking, seeking, you are forgetting, and we are slowing down. As as you forget, you start to remember. The joy is there. The joy is always there. What are you choosing? It does not mean to put your head into the sand, and not notice that others are suffering. Yet the vibration of where it is happening is the vibration of change, not ideal. We know as many wipe their hands clean and say, "That is not my land. I am not interested. That is not my land. I am not interested. That is not my president. That is not my prime minister. I am not interested. They chose this direction. Why aren't those people standing up? Why aren't those people fighting more? Why aren't those people saying something? Well, many, many, many humans are holding their voices back, so that the deeper sensation, the vibration of love, is ultimate. It is never ending, and as you sense the vibration of suffering, you sense and sense and sense and sense and sense and sense and sense the vibration of all in the connection of one. It is simple. You think of someone, and there they are in the energy that you humans are within a space of noticing, noticing, noticing, and then stepping back. And as you notice, you are. And as you observe, you find the stillness, and in the stillness, you see, sense, feel the magic. Magic is all around you, is it not? You are magic, beloved. You are magical. You fill the vibration, the space of magic. Many, many, many, many, many, many, many millions of humans love you. They love you. They love you. So simple, is it not? What humans love to reformulate and reformulate and reformulate and reformulate and reformulate and everything is written in the stars.

Jannecke Øinæs 41:20

All right, and I had a question from one in my audience, and I would like to ask it: Are we, in fact, in assimilation, and when will it end?

Mich Carpenter 41:33

Of course, you are. Yet at the same time, it never ends. There is a beginning, and there is a beginning, and there is a beginning. And as you begin to notice, everything is magical. Everything is on point. Everything happens as it's meant to. Everything is in the magic of the vibration of love. The universe is never ending. Humans have not even tapped into one ascent of what the universe is. How magical is that? Now we are planting seeds. Can you hear? Now humans are going to start to say, "What are they sure? We're not too sure. This information and notice how we shift our vibration to exclaim how many times human grinds themselves in their own simulation of their own life. So yes, it is. You are. Everything is never ending. So the human that is asking is wondering when the suffering is coming to an end. It never will. You humans are here to learn. It depends which story you are connecting into. It depends which story you are deciding to be on the pathway to. As we said in the beginning, everyone has their path. There are certain pathways that humans choose, yourself included, this one included. How many times has she expressed the doubt, the doubt, the doubt, and we are saying banish the doubt, and she is saying, but there is doubt, and we are saying banish the doubt, and we are saying, and then there is clarity. You are consciousness. You are nature. Nature shifts. You have your seasons. Everything is a season, beloved. What

Jannecke Øinæs 44:06

is the most important question we can ask ourselves in these times?

Mich Carpenter 44:16

We ask you to stop questioning, and we ask you to learn to be. Have you noticed how a honeybee never gives up? It does its job, and you humans are doing. May we say, in your doing, a phenomenal job. As all the teams, as all the galactics, as all the federations, as all the councils, we applaud you all. So as you learn to be in the stillness, as you learn to note. The subtlety of vibration. The questioning stops. You begin to pause. Then, in gratitude, Breath, gifts you so much. We thank you.

Jannecke Øinæs 45:33

Thank you.

Mich Carpenter 45:35

May we end off with the blessing of love.

Jannecke Øinæs 45:39

Sure.

Mich Carpenter 45:59

We thank you. We know you. We love you. And we honour you for all that you are. Namaste, beloved. Namaste.

Jannecke Øinæs 46:15

Namaste. Welcome back!

Mich Carpenter 46:32

Thank you. I'm waiting for somebody to walk in the door and bring me a coffee.

Jannecke Øinæs 46:40

You deserve that now.

Mich Carpenter 46:41

Thank you. How did that go?

Jannecke Øinæs 46:44

Well, that was interesting. Yeah, they definitely talked in metaphors, and sometimes that can be a bit frustrating to frustrating to me. I think for human beings in general, because we want the concrete answers, but I do also feel the purpose with it. I feel it's the intention is to get us out of our minds, but you know, spirituality have so many paradoxes because they said don't ask any questions. But if I didn't ask questions, this show wouldn't be here, and if we didn't ask questions, we wouldn't evolve. But at the same time, I also understand, you know, just going into stillness. But I think our minds cannot really understand this because it is on a level that is just another level of consciousness in a way that we cannot grasp with our minds, I think my system is feeling it. Like somewhere inside of me, I'm getting it, but my mind is not understanding it, and that is interesting.

Mich Carpenter 47:52

Well, I love your unconscious body language because you said you feeling it in your hand went to your heart, and you said your mind's not understanding it, which is outside of us, which is brilliant, and if you think about it, how we've been conditioned, and it is-it's a concept that's still very, I think, sometimes abstract to me. But I love the fact that we all choose spirituality in itself. Yannika is such a massive word. It's-it's for me. It is. It's what does it even mean? Yes, you know. And and how do you grasp what's what spirit is? I just think we're in this absolute time of. I want to say bliss, but at the same time, it is we are relearning. We are relearning. I mean, what does love truly mean? We know definitions of love, but what does love truly, truly mean for us as as an individual? Compassion. Compassion is huge, and it's it's almost like I don't even think you know. I'm very sensory, so it's like, and I and I see things in pictures too, but it's like, if I don't see it, what does it mean? And I love that about us as humans. So as much as they're saying don't question, I feel like the learning would be to to question, but then come back to who we are in in here, because the answer might not drop in straight away. It might it might come later on. You know, it's like my big fat Greek wedding. You know, when the the did you ever watch the movie My Big Fat Greek?

Jannecke Øinæs 49:37

Yeah, long time ago.

Mich Carpenter 49:38

Yeah, where the the ladies are like they plant the seeds, and then the the papa, the father's, like he's the one that delivered the information. They're like, yeah, yawn, whatever. Like, but they got the information. It's it's how we hear it, and it might not be heard in the way that we want to hear it now, but it will drop in at some other time.

Jannecke Øinæs 50:00

The way I see it is that we come from more survival, the lower chakras, and that we're moving up the chakras. That's how I see it, and we're coming into the heart, and then we've been programmed, and we have learned to be nice to others and be people pleasers because that's our upbringing to be polite, but that doesn't mean that we're showing love towards others, because we might not have learned how to show love to others because we don't know how to love ourselves, and I think the reason why you and so many other teachers have been going through so many challenges because I know your story. You told us your story in our previous interview, and you've been through so much, so much darkness, so much struggle. And I think there's a reason for that because it cracks you totally open, and when you have hit rock bottom, like myself, also there's just one way, and it's you know to start to believe in yourself and start to love yourself and be grateful for just being here, and you realise there's got to be a big reason for why I'm still here, and you you find that power and that light within, and then the purpose comes, and then you start loving yourself, and then all of a sudden, a lot of my guests, like yourself, are opening up to a higher dimension, to a higher consciousness. So it seems like to me that part of the path is to love ourselves first, because then we are able to know what love is, and then start to love others as well. It can be the other way around as well. I just feel like self love is such an important part of the awakening, and that makes us raise our vibration also to be able to receive higher signals, higher callings, higher messages.

Mich Carpenter 51:59

Yeah.

Jannecke Øinæs 51:59

Does that make sense to you, or what do you think about it?

Mich Carpenter 52:01

Does and I, I love how you've shared it. And if I could add a little story to how, when we love ourselves, we sometimes the biggest thing for me is, especially if I'm in a big group of people or out and about, is I have to learn to be grounded because I'm just, I can be like a bit of like a tumbleweed, like you know. So, I really have to learn to be in my body, because when we access the different consciousnesses, which I'm still learning to do. As an example, the when I started joining groups for the non-speaking autistic community wanting to tap into being telepathic. Gosh, Yannika, the love that these children have-it's-it's so palpable. You, I just cry every time. I mean, these groups, and and that for me is an open heart. I'm not saying me specifically, but they-they're not speaking. They have asprexia, so it's not just all about love. You know, asprexia is a really tough one for the parents, where their bodies release, their bodies just they they they fight out. They have a lot of OCD. So when you talk about the survival, a lot of time, the parents are working. They're in their survival mode because, you know, the children have this wealth of information. They connected to so many different consciousnesses. They they just see things very differently, but human to human, they still have the day to day grind of having to work with their their their health all the time, but when you're in these spaces on a Zoom and you feel the love that these the children and adults are not just children, it's just this heart opening. It's it's incredible, and I feel like that's what you shared is so true because if we just see one another as humans, whether spiritual is somebody who's on a journey of connecting with Jesus, somebody who's going to church, spiritual-that's for me because if we see those people that are going to church, I used to mock, joke people like that because I came from that background. I used to say that I was the biggest hypocrite. I still can be, you know. I still my my my kids call me out. Oh, mom, you're so hypocritical. You say one thing and you do another. I'm like, oh damn it, did I have to have you children? You know, but it's beautiful. Call me out. That for me is truthful, but that's also love. And and and to go back to, let's not condemn each other anymore. You know, if people choose the option of going to church, yes, we know that there's some dark cults out there that will close. That their churches will claim that they bring people together. Yet, imagine if you had to meet somebody on a bus or a train or a tram, and you have got no idea what their story is, but you just see them and you smile, and you ask them how they are today. For me, that is love. For me, that is just showing up in that beautiful moment because who knows where that relationship or what conversation that might lead to, and it truly is a learning because, like you said, it's something that we don't know. We come from ah caveman, let's ah you know let drag us by here, But it's a learning, and I think if we just in South Africa we say cut yourself some slack. If you just be more kind, more gentle to yourself, more loving, that for me your your consciousness elevates quickly, and laughter, laughing. I've had to learn to laugh, especially because, as being a therapist, and you know, there's so much grief and trauma. But learning to look at the humour of of where I've come from or what can change in the moment, and it's changing quickly. I don't know if you found that, but it's changing quickly. You know, the spiritual journey is-it's spirit all. How do we connect into the all, to the vibration of all? That's how I hear it sometimes. I hope. I think I'm going for a tangent. This is what happens when I channel. Sorry, I need to come back. I can hear myself. I shall shut up. Shut up! Come back!

Jannecke Øinæs 56:44

No, no, no, no! It's beautiful. It's meant to come forward, and I love you know the joy. Joy is so connected to self love because I don't think you can laugh freely if you don't love yourself. Because if you have a difficult relationship to yourself. You're dimming yourself down. You you're not allowing yourself to be free and lighthearted and laughing. Like I'm laughing so much more than I've ever done. I I didn't. I mean, when I was depressed, I didn't laugh at all, right? Because it was all about shame and guilt and fear and apathy, so there was no laughter. Now I'm laughing all the time, and I feel like a little, you know, a bit childish. But I know that there is a deeper wisdom in what Jesus said about the children coming to heaven. You know, coming into heaven like a child with a childlike mind, or I don't know. Remember the sentence, but I think there's something about coming back to that childish or childlike curiosity to have that open mind. Like I love nothing. I don't know anything.

Mich Carpenter 57:54

Yeah, I love that the childlike curiosity, and I saw the question mark because the more curious we are, who knows? I love that. You see, so it's just a different perception. I was like, oh, actually, that that might be the question mark. But how? How? Yeah, I love that. I just love that, and that's where you, for me, I start to see things, but I laugh at things that maybe other people would think are completely stupid. They don't understand, and it doesn't matter. I'm laughing. You know, it's like that saying: "Laugh like nobody's watching.

Jannecke Øinæs 58:31

Since I know you've been working with autistic savants, have they? You said that they were not speaking, but have you spoken to some of them who are speaking or communicating, and perhaps told you about how they see nature of reality? I'm very curious about that.

Mich Carpenter 58:53

So I've spoken for quite a few, and at the moment, I've actually on my desk I've got a book that's just been launched, called the Adventures of Cody and Aaron, and Cody is Down syndrome. They live in the UK, and Aaron is non-speaking autistic, and and just also to be clear, like as as as as parents, we've we've we've kind of hashed it out because you'll hear beyond verbal, non-verbal. There's quite a few different labels as to label the children, but we, as a group, have sort of said non-speaking autistic, and the moms seem to be okay with that because that's the hardest part: is not offending the moms and the dads because the challenges are very real. So with these children, I'll give an example. I was on a podcast once, and I was communicating on behalf of Cody. So Cody's Down syndrome; he's 16, and and I just sensed their energies. and Cody came forward, and he was. I only knew know this because I watched it afterwards. But what it actually. Happened was he was communicating for one of the gentlemen, and sharing things about this gentleman that the guy was gobsmacked. He started to cry, but Cody had said Mish will start crying in the next few minutes. So I was communicating. The words were coming out because it's literally it's like he's here right now and he's he's coming through, and I came back, you know, because he stopped talking, and I came back, and this gentleman was crying, and he said, "How does he know this? How does he know this information? And I won't disclose it because it was private, and but it just they have this way of giving information that opens up a person's heart, and within a few minutes, I was crying, and their mom Monique was on was on the call with us, and she said, "Oh my God, Cody said you were going to start crying. I'm like, "Oh, they just-it's-it's like they-they're just ahead, they're just ahead, and they see things again, and they don't give us all the information at once. They give us and gift us what we need to hear now in this moment. And with other telepathic communicators, they share different things. I'm not. I'm not scientific. I'm not mathematical. So if somebody had to say to me, "Invent something, and these are the fractions. I'd be like, I'll put you onto somebody else who's more mathematically minded. But I'm able to, with the with their information, they share things with me in order to help the heart to feel, in order to help the shift to happen. And in their book, it's been mind blowing as to how the the mother Monique was homeless just over a year ago, and now they published authors. And this is all thanks to the boys. The boys asked; they communicated this about a year and a half ago. A book's going to be written. We just didn't know how it was going to happen. We're like, you don't have a home. You're going from place to place. How is this going to happen? And here's the book. And they, we had an illustrator, Noriko, but they they changed it. They wanted like this is this is Cody. He's a scientist, and Aaron is a little he's a little rapper, and they designed their clothes, everything, and you know how I know that the information is on point. Because when we're in Zoom meetings, they come and they love Monique. They'll put their head against Monique. Monique said if they if she's in Zoom meetings that they don't like the the energy, they'll become disruptive and they start they'll be in her face all the time, telling her this isn't working, and it's it's it's pretty special, and it's something that I do not take for granted. It's an absolute honour, and again, there's a part of me every now and again that goes, "I just want to get it right. But in this book, there's these steps where I've gone. How did they know this? How did they know this? They like directed the mom to certain places.

These kids are dynamic, and for anybody that wants to know a little bit more or a lot more, that the telepathy tapes shares a lot of information about again who we are and what these children know us to be-could you imagine us sitting and and not speaking, Yannika, and just feeling? We'll probably go through these waves of maybe laughing and crying, and it's it's just an extraordinary time to be alive. And these children are showing us that, like, just come together, just come together, Michelle. It has been so wonderful having you here on the show, and I also want to say that we're so honoured to have you as one of our masterclass teachers in our very own Wisdom from North membership. You're teaching a masterclass about revining in joy, how grieving is healing, and tell us why you're so passionate about this class and what you will teach? For me, as I mentioned earlier on in the in I think when the first 10 or 15 minutes, it's the bridge between being spiritual light and human, and I love one of my biggest passions is because I know how much I still work with my vagus nerve. How I still work with my fight, flight, fright, and fawn, and we can play all of those in five seconds. In five minutes, we can go from one to the next. I'm still working through PTSD, and that's why I've also said grieving is healing, because it just you know there's so many layers to grieving. There's so many layers to our connection. This connection of this body, and the the you know, there's not one in my opinion of the world and and and how I work with clients is that there's not one specific thing that's like a that's going. Fix you because I I I truly don't believe that we need fixing. I believe that we walk the journey. We just walk the journey, as you mentioned. Our nervous systems still are working through a lot. If my son gives me a fright, it's it's I literally freeze. I'm like, okay, just breathe, just breathe. And one beautiful exercise that I've learned along the way is just box breathing. To just bring myself to box breathing, just breathe in for four, hold for four, exhale, and then you know after a few I go okay. Then I have that big. Then you know you've done a reset. You're back into your vagus nerve, so you know life can be stressful, and we never know what's what's coming our way without creating any fear. We just don't know. Yet it's learning to go. Oh, hang on, I'm I'm I'm disassociated right now. I'm oh I'm in my fight or flight. Okay, I can feel. You know, a lot of us don't even realise that we're breathing. Like, so it's just bringing the breath down, and it's a practice for me. It's a daily practice. It's great when I'm in meditation, but again, if I walk in and there's towels all over the bathroom, and my mama bear comes out, and I'm like, okay, Michelle. Okay, just take a chill. Just breathe. That's also changing the conditions, changing the way I was conditioned, because my go-to would have been shut. Call my son. Call my daughter. Like, call my my. Why are the towels on the? Okay, Michelle. Just take a breather. It's not a big deal. Big breath. Okay, choose the choose the argument, choose the battle, and it is a real learning to just learn to integrate into the nervous system, because everything I just talk about contraction and expansion. When we're in contraction, fight, flight, fright, form, and that's where we might be holding onto words. We might be feeling tense. Again, just come back to breath. It's a, it's such a beautiful practice, yeah. But it sometimes, sometimes it's just like, damn it, okay, just reel it back in. Come back. Practice what you preach. Breathe, breathe, Mish, breathe. We're

Jannecke Øinæs 1:07:30

all human.

Mich Carpenter 1:07:31

We're all human on a spiritual journey. Yes, on a spiritual journey. It's a really

Jannecke Øinæs 1:07:38

beautiful class, and of course, I'll drop a link below for anyone who wants to join the membership. Michelle, this has been wonderful, and I have a few questions I ask everyone, and we've been speaking a bit about it today. But what is self love to you?

Mich Carpenter 1:07:53

Self love is giving myself time. It's giving my and gifting myself. This is something that I've come to realise. I love to give gifts, but I don't give it to myself a lot of the time. So I will go for a massage. My girlfriends, that is that is self love to me. You know, shooting the breeze with having a cup of coffee with girlfriends, where we laugh, where we cry, where we look like we're crazy, and then we just you know for me that is that is nourishing my nervous system and self love. Hugging, for me, is self love. Hugging my husband, hugging my children, hugging people that I want to make a connection with. That Self-love,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:08:42

and what is God to you?

Mich Carpenter 1:08:46

Whoo, that's a biggie. God is in everything. As I sit here, I've got beautiful little orchids that are coming out. I didn't know if they were going to flower. I look at just my my therapy room, and and then when the sun comes up a little bit later on, I see little bumblebees flying past, and every now and again when I see them, that for me is God. You know, they defy science. They've got these little wings and this big fat body, and their little messages. You know the way I see them, they're little messengers of God. Like little the little buzz that kind of just takes me out and like takes me out of doing admin. I go, oh my gosh, there's God. So God is in everything. God is everything. We are God. Our hearts are beating right now. That for me is the purity of anything. We oh, I want to cry. That for me is God. The fact that we have life. Yeah.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:09:57

What is the deepest meaning of life? From your perspective,

Mich Carpenter 1:10:05

excuse my language, but I'm just going to say it. Just get over your shit. Not you personally. Just get over the shit. Just get over it, because it's it's you know we can sit in it sometimes, and sometimes we can stew in it, but it's just that it's just shit. There's there's beautiful things out there to look at. So excuse my language, but it's just this, like it's actually quite free saying that,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:10:38

No, I I like that. It's a first, but I loved it. So cut to the case, because we do.

Mich Carpenter 1:10:48

We can steal it, and we sit in our stories, and that for me is we can tap back into our stories, but come come back. This is the meaning. This is meaning. Find meaning. You know, everybody's looking for their purpose. I'm, I'm sure you and I have heard it hundreds of times. What's our purpose? What's my purpose? Being here right now is purposeful. It means so much to be able to sit here and connect with a beautiful human like yourself. And don't sweat the small stuff. Maybe that's a better way of saying it. Don't sweat the small stuff. Is that more? Is that more gentle? Instead of just get up your shit. Sorry, that's very South African of me.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:11:35

Well, I think you're entitled to say it because I know what you've been through, and I know that one of your mantras is to just keep going. You know, never give up. So that is, I think, one of your soul missions or soul themes: never to give up, and then encourage others also not to give up. And that is very powerful. So it really made sense that you were saying what you were saying, Michelle. And I would just want to thank you for everything you're doing. You're doing such beautiful healing work. You're helping people all around the globe. How can people connect with you if they want to learn more or work with you?

Mich Carpenter 1:12:17

Wonderful. Thank you for asking. My Website mish carpenter m i c h carpenter.com, and all my offerings are on there. And I am so so so grateful to walk the journey with anybody, whether it's one session which is a reading, or continuing the journey for a while with someone if they are working through a lot of grief and trauma. It's always an honour for me, so thank you.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:12:43

Thank you so much, Michelle, for coming on the show today.

Mich Carpenter 1:12:46

Thank you, Janencke, for all that you are sharing and having me here today. Thank you to everybody. Have a beautiful day.