Ragnarok and Revelation: The Norse Goddess Hela and the Path to Wholeness! With Jack Morrigan

Jannecke Øinæs 0:00

You now are also channeling a North goddess, Hela.

Jack Morrigan 0:04

She is a goddess of that lower realm who has been really demonized. I think a lot through the Christian worldview, anything below is bad. It's like making me emotional thinking about it, because it's just so there's something really beautiful about it. She was just like, I want you to clear my name. We should all be able to be in touch with these beings that do, like 90% of the hard work of shadow work for us. But human beings aren't meant to do it alone.

Jannecke Øinæs 0:32

I think it's time, maybe to bring her forward, and then I can ask my questions.

Jack Morrigan 0:36

I long to be in contact with humanity who I see as a little bit like my grandchildren. You know, think back a few 100 years, if this situation existed, Jack would probably be burned at the stake. It has taken some time for human consciousness to develop in such a way that this is possible. You all are warriors. You are here on the front lines of the evolution of human consciousness. It's time now for there to be a drastic shift in who human beings look to, as authorities, as voices of wisdom, and it's time for the authentic people to lead.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:18

Will we see that in 2026 or will that take a couple more years?

Jack Morrigan 1:22

It's it will be beginning in this coming year.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:32

Jack Morrigan, a warm welcome back to the Wisdom From North show.

Jack Morrigan 1:38

Thank you very much. Thanks so much for having me again. It's lovely to see you. It was really nice chatting to you just off before we started recording. And having a having a catch up. It's really interesting to be kind of coming back for repeat interviews with the same person and like, kind of seeing how our lives are changing over time.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:59

Yes, definitely. And I'm always looking forward to speak with you, Jack, because I feel like we've had such in depth conversations before, and you dare to go in places where not everybody dares to go. And we're going to speak about shadows today and darkness. And that is because also you are sort of an ambassador for shadow work, I would say, a beautiful ambassador for it. And it's just so important, because from my belief, we cannot only focus on the positive. We also need you know the duality, the darkness, as well, to balance everything. And you are a former researcher, and you had a scientific view on life for those who are new to you and are new subscribers, and you were actually an atheist, and today you're a spiritual teacher, channeling even dragons, deities, enlightened goddesses of the dark. And even you wrote to me and told me, I'm now channeling hella or hell the Norse goddess of the underworld, Helheim. And I'm excited about that, because obviously Norse Mythology is dear to my heart, and I've never come across her before on my show. So very excited and a bit, yeah, nervous to encounter and meet her. And you told me, she's very sweet.

Jack Morrigan 3:28

She's really lovely. And when I was first connecting with her, she was she told me, like my experience of it was so different to what the image of her that's put out there, which I think any, any god or goddess of the underworld tends to have this like fearful reputation, but I really I see them more like roots in the tree of life, like they're just in the soil, they're in The Underworld, and their job is to help us to process what is in the soil, like to till that soil. And that soil is just like our subconscious. It's the things that we've got buried inside of there, and sometimes that's a challenging place to go, because, you know, we've buried things inside of there for a reason, because we we don't like it, or we wish it wasn't there. But also, as they've pointed out to me many times, that's not the only thing that's in our subconscious, like we have also kind of unintentionally suppressed much of our magnificence and power as people. So there are many jewels that we can recover from the underworld. And you know, she's one of the beings that can help to do that,

Jannecke Øinæs 4:50

right, right? I mean, you've even said in previous episodes that you thought you were going crazy when dragons approached you and you were like, what? Dragons are for real?

Jack Morrigan 5:03

Yeah, it's like I had had this Kundalini awakening quite suddenly without knowing what Kundalini was. And for those of you don't know, it's like a kind of spiritual energy that lays dormant inside of everyone and can be activated. And it's kind of like lightning suddenly moving through the nervous system. So that happened, and there was so much kind of light within that experience. It's like it just turned, turned up a dimmer switch in my consciousness, and I suddenly started having all these experiences that I thought were only in kind of sci fi and fantasy movies, you know, like having out of body experiences, meeting angels and all sorts of stuff, which previously I would have thought was completely crazy. But even having experienced that, when a dragon came in, I was like, Oh no, now I must actually be crazy, like, and I blocked them out for years. I connected with them again when I was kind of able to, and they've been wonderful, you know. So

Jannecke Øinæs 6:14

yes, sorry.

Jack Morrigan 6:17

I was just gonna say, like the universe is a much bigger place than we think, and that science understands?

Jannecke Øinæs 6:25

Yes, I think so, for sure. And for those who are a bit new to dragons, could you share a bit about who they are? Have they been walking the earth, for instance? And what is their message for humanity? You mentioned that they talk about the great return. Why are there? Why are there here now? And what is their message?

Jack Morrigan 6:47

Yeah, so they describe themselves like that. I think there's different types of dragons, and the dragons that I connect with are specifically cosmic dragons. Which they the way they describe the cosmos is that right at its center is a heart, and that is kind of in a way, like the spiritual heart and center of the cosmos, and that the cosmos itself is a single living being. And just like our heart has arteries and veins that take blood away from the heart and return blood to it, so too does the cosmos have arteries and veins. But instead of flowing blood, they flow Kundalini energy, like the life force of the cosmos and the dragons that I connect to say that they are the arteries and veins of the cosmos. So the dragons themselves. And if you if you picture those kind of very elongated Chinese dragons, it does have a kind of artery vein, like look to it. And I quite like that description, because I think it's easy to understand and we can relate to it in terms of the great return, which is kind of why they connected with me to help kind of bring that process along. They say that humanity has been in a kind of spiritual winter, and this is also this also links into various forms of mysticism, like in Hindu mysticism, they talk about the Kali Yuga, which is the kind of darkest age which we are currently in. And they say that humanity is almost like a if you imagine the clenched fist, like when you clench your fist really, really tight, you cut off the blood supply to your hand. And because there isn't blood going to your hand, you also can't feel your hand. You lose sensation. And as you kind of, like, start to open your hand again, there's like a slow return of blood into your hand, and then sensation comes back. So you could imagine that we are like the clenched fist, humanity and the earth is in this kind of clenched fist. But really we are the entire cosmos, like we are one with the entire cosmos, but we just don't we aren't in contact because the flow has been cut off. So as what's happening at the moment is we are in a process that the dragons call the great return, and that is this kind of opening of the hand and the return of blood flow, which is what the dragons are involved in. And when that happens, the cosmos starts to know humanity again. So that's why they call it the great return, because it's we are returning to the cosmos. You know, we are opening in such a way that the cosmos, it's. Self can know us. You know, we've been in kind of darkness for quite a long time, and in a sense, we've been hidden, even from the awareness of the cosmos itself. But that's starting to change, and we're experiencing these shifts. And I guess in a way, my life is a kind of a mirror of that. You know, I was very closed, very, very scientific, logically minded, not that there's anything wrong with that, but, you know, I didn't have an open mind to any of these things. But that's shifted. So that's in a way, that's my own mini return.

Jannecke Øinæs 10:40

And do they have any connection with the dinosaurs?

Jack Morrigan 10:45

That is a good question. I I used to think no, but I don't know now, like, I'm sort of like, I wouldn't surprise me, like, I don't know that for sure. They've never said anything, but you know, you look at those skeletons, and it's like, that could be a dragon. If I had wings, it would be one, right?

Jannecke Øinæs 11:12

And they seem so loving every time they're coming through. Even in our master class, you've had a master class in our membership where you were channeling dragons and giving answers to our members. It's just so much love. Yet we in our culture, especially European culture, have associated dragons with something fearful, scary, maybe evil, that we're going to the prince is slaying the dragon. So why this sort of misunderstanding? I mean, your impression is that they're loving beings.

Jack Morrigan 11:45

Obviously, yes, absolutely, like, they are so different, like, and I think the way that they're perceived, you know, is this kind of wild beast in many ways, and, and even, you know, I've gone to, like, spiritual festivals, and walked past a tent, and people are talking about embracing the inner Dragon, and then it will start roaring, you know? And it's like that, you know. That may be that there's these people's experience of dragons, but it's very, very different to mine, like to me, they're like these. It's, you know, they're like, the Buddha and Jesus. Like, they're like, super evolved saints, but also really down to earth, like, I they've got a great sense of humor a lot of the time. Like, they all have their own different personalities. Like, they're very different to one another. They all serve their own purposes. Yeah, so my experiences of them is more of these really admirable, wonderful beings. Why do we have a different view? I think that's a really interesting question. I think the European view is very different, to say, the Chinese view. And just to point out for a second, isn't it interesting that all of these different cultures all around the world have dragon mythologies, sometimes even before they had contact with one another? Every you know, people are talking about winged serpents that breathe fire. And I think that's intriguing, also that in the Chinese zodiac, everything is an animal that exists, except for the dragon. And it's like, maybe the dragon is also an animal that exists. It just isn't here right now. Sorry, I'm going off in a tangent, and I've kind of lost my train of thought,

Jannecke Øinæs 13:42

no, but I mean, it's interesting. It's been in our culture forever, and there are not that many who are channeling dragons. And yet, I've seen on my show that comments, comments on the show, and your episodes have been really positive, and people are really curious about this, a lot of people. So it does resonate on some level. And it's interesting how myths are. Many myths are, perhaps not myths that were actually just expanding our awareness about what is existing in the universe. And another interesting thing is that they talked about Ragnarok, that we're in a miss or Ragnarok right now in a previous episode. And that points to, again, Norse mythology. So is there a connection between dragons and Norse mythology? And especially since you now are also channeling a Norse goddess, Hela,

Jack Morrigan 14:39

like yes, this is a really, really interesting topic. So, you know, you know the world tree, and in Norse mythology, so there's the Tree of Life is kind of represents all of existence. And there's these rune stones, these ancient. In stones where people have carved in images of the tree of life. I remember seeing this historian. I may have mentioned this in previous episodes, but I saw this Norwegian and historian talking about this, and he was saying that the way that the Tree of Life has been depicted has changed over time, the earliest versions, which is the pre Christian versions, it shows the tree, and then below is the world serpent in the underworld. So it's like a dragon, like being in the underworld, and he is kind of connected to the tree of life, not directly, but kind of indirectly. He sort of flows with it. And apparently there were Norse mythologies that were saying that there has to be a balance between the underworld and the overworld between dark and light, that balance must be maintained, and when that balance is lost, we enter Ragnarok. And if you look at the later runestones, they show the dragon like below and separate from the tree, and that there's a clear division between the tree of life and the world serpent below, symbolizing the kind of mindset of the people at the time that there should be a divide between dark and light, which which also mirrors a lot of Christian mythology, that there These things are fundamentally separate, and that one is holy and one is unholy. That then links into hella, you know, because she is a goddess of that lower realm who has been really demonized, I think a lot through that, you know, the the Christian worldview that anything below is bad, and that her our relationship with hella, you could say, is a kind of reflection of our own disconnection from the dark and The Light within ourselves. So there's similarities between Hela and Gorka Wraith, the black dragon, because they operate in a similar realm. My understanding is that the dragons that I work with are more cosmic, and the goddesses that I work with are more earthly. So the Goddesses always say that they are part of the Root Chakra of Gaia, so they're part of the Root Chakra of this world, whereas the dragons would always say they're part of the, you know, whatever, chakra of the cosmos. So I think I feel like they're kind of, they're on the same team, like they work together, but they ones at head office and ones at the local branch. Interesting.

Jannecke Øinæs 18:08

Yeah, I think you were referring to Yggdrasil, the tree

Jack Morrigan 18:12

Exactly, exactly that. Yeah, I can't pronounce it very well.

Jannecke Øinæs 18:18

You know. It's a reason why I love Marvel movies, because they have, you know, included all these Norse god goddesses and gods and, yeah, so Hela. She's the goddess of the underworld. She is the daughter of Loki, who is this mischievous God, right? We never know where we have him. And when I was taught this in school. Yes, it was all about hell like hella was ruling the hell world. And that's where you went, if you were sick or old, while courageous warriors who died in war, they went to walhall like they went to another sort of place. So it hasn't been presented in such a positive way. Exactly, yeah. So it will be interesting today to get to know her perspective. How did she come to you the first time, and could you take us through that moment and your reaction to it?

Jack Morrigan 19:17

I don't remember exactly how I got in touch with Hela, but I remember quite early on, it's like making me emotional thinking about it, because it's just so there's something really beautiful about it. She was just like, I want you to clear my name. And it's like, she, you know, I think sometimes if you start opening up to these deities, or you start hearing stories about it, they can seem almost inhuman, or like they don't have feelings or something, but they do, it's just in a different way to what we know. Vea, and they can be really vulnerable, and they have like desires, like things that they they want. And we as human beings can actually play a meaningful role in helping them. I think sometimes connecting with these things we we can lose sight of our own power in the relationship. But really, the way I see it, we're kind of we're equals, and we're all part of the same team. And hella is helping me in many ways. She's helping me energetically. She's helping me, teaching me so many things, but I get to help her. The fact that I'm here right now. Having this conversation is part of me fulfilling my role to help to clear her name, you know that, to help people understand that these beings aren't just the stories you know.

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Jack Morrigan 22:15

they are but you and I are also aspects of our psyche. For so everything, like everything, is arising inside of the cosmic mind. So we are all thoughts in a mind, and they are that as well. It can get a bit trippy.

Jannecke Øinæs 22:42

Has she ever walked the earth, you think?

Jack Morrigan 22:52

she's She answered that in my head. What she said, was I? She walks the earth through us like the way she said, it was so beautiful. But I'm in a emotional place right now. She's basically saying we are her, like, like, the steps that we take across the earth are her steps. We are one. So she walks the earth as us. You know, that's how she knows this level of existence. And there's been this horrible disconnection that's taken place that this kind of rift in the mind of of the earth and of humanity and of everything, and it's one of the primary causes of our discontent and suffering in life. And what's wonderful is that right now, in this moment, that rift is being healed, you know, because the goddess is that layer of the Earth was always meant to be in direct contact with human beings. You know, we're supposed to be one. We're one team, one family, working together. So the fact that we're we're here right now, having this conversation is profound,

Jannecke Øinæs 24:39

and is her role to teach us about our own shadows and being authentic and what that is,

Jack Morrigan 24:47

and it's a significant part. So as a goddess of the underworld, it's like she she is very strongly. Aware of the unconscious dimensions of humanity. You know those old network operators who, like, pull, they used to, like, pull these wires out of boards and, like, plug things back in. Do you know what I mean? It's kind of really old when they used to use, yeah, for telephones. So when I've asked them what they are like, they will show me images like that. And it's like, I'm like a switchboard operator, like all of your unconscious desires and fears are flowing through my switchboard, and I'm moving them around. But the thing is, there's only so much that these beings can do without our conscious approval, like without us directly working with them, and if we work directly with the the Enlightened gods and goddesses of the underworld. They can do a huge amount of our shadow work for us. They can process that stuff so our body and our mind doesn't have to try and process like all of the energy of our ancestral line or whatever it may be, they can do a lot of that, but they can only do it with our permission, because there's a free will, sort of contract, like they would never come in and try and force that to happen.

Jannecke Øinæs 26:36

So is it a question of knowing who to ask for help? So it wouldn't help me to ask an angel for help about shadow work I need to go to hella.

Jack Morrigan 26:49

Yes, in general, yes. I think there are actually Angels of Death, like Ezekiel is like the Angel of Death, and that maybe they would be a good person to go to if you needed to do some shadow work. Or like my Michael with his like flaming sword and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, Hela and the the other goddesses of the underworld, they're experts. That's their specialty. It's what they're made to do, to kind of nurture the soil of our subconscious so that our roots can grow deep and strong.

Jannecke Øinæs 27:23

How do we do this? Is it about going into meditation and asking for help?

Jack Morrigan 27:36

Yes, like so I'll channel her in a little bit, and she'll be able to say this, she's already here. Like, I don't know if you can tell, but like, I don't know where I begin, and and she begins. We're kind of merged at the moment, so it's about the connection actually being there, like being activated. So when I'm working with people, like, I do groups where I'm I'm helping people to do this, and it's something that is just kind of passed energetically, passed through me, like, because that channel is open in me, I can feel her consciousness like I can feel it right now. It's like this huge space beneath my feet, and my sense of self is kind of blended with that, like i I know myself to be her, and because that's there, and that's alive in me, it has like a kind of osmosis quality to it, like it gets passed on, like, it's a bit like a flame, like it's a bit like I'm on fire, and then, like, if someone's near me while I'm in that state, they might catch fire, and then they open the connection. And that happens, like, all the time in the groups that I do like, people opening up to this connection, and then they'll share something, and they'll be like, Oh, I was having this difficulty, but then I, like, reached out to Ella, and I just felt like this burden being taken off my shoulders. And I was like, yeah, exactly, that's what it's right. Like, you know, I want everyone to have that, like we should all be able to be in touch with these beings that do, like, 90% of the hard, hard work of shadow, work for us. You know, human beings aren't meant to do it alone.

Jannecke Øinæs 29:26

Interesting. All right, I think it's time maybe to bring her forward, and then I can ask my questions for sure.

Jack Morrigan 29:35

Yeah, give me a second. My head's cracking like so this is, I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but the Kundalini, when it moved through my body, it like it kind of pushed through the My bone, like this, the skeletal structure of my body, and since then, like my head, like will crack in certain places i. But it becomes more exaggerated while I'm channeling because I'm bringing through this energy again. So just to kind of explain that people are wondering why my head's cracking, but yeah, I'll bring her through now. I

Jack Morrigan 30:28

so I'm just tuning myself in. Just bear with me.

Jack Morrigan 30:37

So I am Hela Hela Hela Scandinavian goddess of the underworld, part of the Root Chakra of Gaia, just tuning myself in a little bit. I'm very, very happy to be here. In fact, I'm so happy that I'm making Jack a little bit emotional, because I'm so moved to be here, and that's like making him moved by this. And the reason that I moved to be here is because

Jack Morrigan 31:15

I long to be in contact with humanity who I see as a little bit like my grandchildren, like a part of me, but young, and that connection was lost some time ago, but It was always destined to return, and this is one of the ways that that is happening. So I'm very happy to be to be here. And, you know, think back a few 100 years, if this situation existed, Jack would probably be burned at the stake, you know. So it has taken some time for human consciousness to develop in such a way that this is possible, that we can be here having this conversation. And it's a wonderful thing, because this is a return to our wholeness, all of us, our wholeness together. And it's

Jack Morrigan 32:25

getting very important, and let's face it, a bit urgent that this happens because humanity is in Ragnarok right now, and some of you feel that on a personal level, you're going through your own personal Ragnarok life, being thrown into turmoil. What was hidden beneath starting to rise up chaotically, almost like a volcano. And then look around at your society, you know, there are very chaotic energies being mass manifest on a global scale, and it is time for human beings To become really aware of and at peace with their own shadow within themselves, because each of you that becomes at peace with your shadow, you contribute to that peace being reverberated out to the collective each of you who feels at peace and whole within yourself contributes to the peace and the wholeness of all humanity, which then cleanses these the chaos that you see all around you. So I'll get down off my soapbox now and just say thank you so much yanika for having me. Isn't this wonderful wisdom from North hella being channeled? Thank you so much.

Jannecke Øinæs 34:12

Yes, it's quite exciting, and then, yeah, maybe an honor to meet you. Gosh, I've known of you ever since I was a child and learned about you in school. And I want to honor my young child who had all these pictures in her mind about these stories about these gods and goddesses. So I'm curious about all these stories about Yggdrasil, valhal, ragnhirok, about the battles between the gods, and there were so many battles and so much drama going on. Are these real stories? I'm just curious about how these stories came about, if actually all. These situations have occurred. And from what I know, the Vikings were sort of channeling them down somehow, in it became part of our our Norse myth, mythology,

Jack Morrigan 35:20

so History is written by the victor. So the stories that that you have grown up with are a one version of events, and they are more a reflection of what is happening in humanity and the way that humanity wants to perceive us and life than it is really about the you could Say, objective truth of as of what has happened. You know, speaking about kind of wars between between deities and, you know, there's the Giants and the the deities who are said to be in in conflict with one another. It's not to say that there's never conflict between beings within our realms, but that is a very limited way of perceiving things. For example, if we talk about Thor who, who could be a rival, or of mine, like you know, someone who is I'm against. I'm supposed to be against in some way that is not, that does not align with my true feeling. I see Thor as an absolutely essential aspect of life, the Divine Thunderbolt, you know, the the the the bringer of the masculine principle of life, you know, that kind of initiator of life as a deity of the Earth, where I call him more of a deity of the sky. We are essential to one another, like I I cannot be fertile without his presence. So my view of things is perhaps different to the stories that you've heard. In fact, I suspect just the way that I'm speaking right now might sound quite different to how you would have imagined I would speak,

Jannecke Øinæs 37:46

for sure. And back to my younger child, I think I was nine or 10 when I first learned about you, I was then imagining you holding the gate of this hellish place and just residing in an internal hell. And I asked Jack about this before we went on, and he was like, you know, go ahead and ask that question, even though it feels a bit silly. So where are you residing? Are you an internal being working in the shadow forever?

Jack Morrigan 38:23

I in some ways, but it's, don't have pity on me, because imagine your histories have created this idea that I'm in a nightmarish realm. But that's a reflection, unfortunately, of the human's own relationship with their own psyche, which they're then projecting onto me and assuming that that's what my life is, kind of weaving me into their narrative of the underworld. But that's not my experience. My experience is more of a lush underground kingdom that is heavenly in its own way. And I'm here fulfilling my purpose. You know, I you you've referred to me as an eternal being. So I'm one of the enlightened, so one of the goddesses of the Enlightened dark. That's the phrase that we've given jack to help to understand this. And what it means is I'm enlightened in a similar way to how human beings become enlightened. And what that means is that that being is let go of its ego. So it instead of feeling that my own personal will is the thing that kind of drives my action, I've let go of that a long time ago, and I. Am a servant of all divinity, you know, I as one human mystic put it, I am a flute being used by God to create beautiful music, you know, so I see myself like that, in my being, in my essence, I am eternal, just as you are, but as hella, I am mortal. I will from your perspective, I might seem maternal, because I live for so long, in the same way as like maybe a small animal would have no way of comprehending how long a human life is. But that doesn't make me eternal as Heller, but I am eternal as spirit, you could say,

Jannecke Øinæs 40:56

all right, and I would love to get practical about how to work with our shadows. So a shadow, I mean, it's in the word even that it's hidden. And we can work on ourselves and we want to evolve, and then we have these blind spots, and I can just talk about myself, that it's really hard sometimes to see yourself and to discover your shadows even and even to accept them and love them. So where do we start when we want to be authentic, which these times are calling for us to be? Where would we start to work and release our shadows?

Jack Morrigan 41:41

It's very, very good question. So a good place to start is in your everyday life. You know your shadows are going to be coming up through your own lived experience. So you can look at your close relationships. Are there certain things that are playing out that haven't worked out very well. Like, is there a part of you that's controlling? Is there a part of you that's really fearful, maybe that your your partner will leave or or wants to control them? You know, that's that's the territory of the shadow. It's the unconscious part, which usually goes back to childhood wounds. It usually connects to your relationship with your parents. And generally speaking, I think if people are honest with themselves, they can see that there are some places where this is playing out. So Jack has that within his relationships, there are ways where he notices that he's being controlling, and there's a certain quality to that within his body that he can feel like a constriction, you know, like. So you can use your body as a compass. You can use your body to start to see and feel this for yourself. And then you can be generally the tendency there is to judge yourself, that's often what will then come up. It's like, oh, I should not be this way. No, please try as best as you can to not do that and rather just notice that this is happening. Remember that your experience of maybe insecurity or the desire to control or whatever it may be, that is a reflection of what has happened to your ancestors going back 1000s of years. So this is not your fault. This is not all on you. This is the result of of humanity being as disconnected as it has been for so long, and sometimes creating a little distance from it like that can help. It sort of takes the burden off. It's literally happening inside of Jack's body right now, as I'm saying these words, because there is a knot of anxiety in his body that is part of his ancestral line, and it's it can hear me, you know, these little knots, these Little traumas, these little insecurities, these little shadows, they're alive, and really, all they want is to be welcomed in, to sit by the warmth of the fire of your heart. They've spent many, many years out in the cold. Yeah, and all they want is just to be welcomed back in. And we're doing that right now. You know, you're kind of asking how to do this, and I'm doing it, so that's usually the best way, direct in the moment example. And I'm, you know, grateful that Jack is open enough that I can use him as an example. But over time that starts to soften. You know, those those knots can start to soften. It takes time, so give it time. Took a long time for those knots to be wound up. So it does take time, usually, for these to start to unwind, but as they do, you'll probably notice that it's actually a lot easier to be yourself. It's a lot easier to be authentic, you know, because there's less pressure with the knots released, there's less of this kind of internal pressure that kicks in sometimes when you want to share what you really feel about something you know if, if that fear of being abandoned has been loosened, then there's less to stop you from being yourself,

Jannecke Øinæs 46:24

and how do we know if we're authentic or not? And also, is it safe to be authentic in the world we're living today? Because sometimes it's not pretty,

Jack Morrigan 46:36

absolutely, very, very good question. So is it safe, and what was the other question, how do we know if we're being..

Jannecke Øinæs 46:43

how do we know? Yeah,

Jack Morrigan 46:47

so it's something that you will be able to learn more over time. It gets easier over time to recognize whether or not you're being authentic. The best way or the most effective way, is in your own body. So, you know, when you say something and you really didn't mean it, and you can feel that like it kind of It feels a bit icky. It's like that didn't, that wasn't the real me, you know, and you can feel it, so that's a sign that you're being inauthentic. And that isn't to say, I don't want people to listen to this and walk away with this starting to be like, I have to be authentic all the time. You know, it's it's okay to be inauthentic at times. And then that links to what you were saying your second point, which is, it's safe. And of course, the reason that people are inauthentic is because it feels very unsafe to to truly speak your mind. You know, many of your societies have become really entangled, and that makes it very difficult for people to be authentic and real. In fact, when people are being authentic and real, sometimes they get shut down. People around don't like that, and then you you police one another, and people who are generally much more comfortable within authenticity, will police people who are being very authentic, so that you know they kind of get put down. And this is why it's like a step by step process into authenticity. You go one step at a time, because it can feel really scary. And it's not just your fear that you're feeling. It's the fear of your ancestors who unfortunately had to live through the consequences of of speaking their mind. So generally, a good way of practicing this is to to tune in with yourself and feel what would be the authentic thing to say in a situation or not there may feel like there's a social pressure. Let's say to say something very complimentary to someone in a certain situation. And you can do a little experiment with yourself. If you notice that that's the case, you can just dial it back a bit. Just try dialing it back. So instead of saying something very, very complimentary, when you feel the pressure to say something a little bit complimentary, you know, and that way you're kind of, you're slowly changing the direction of the course that you're on just slightly. And that can feel a lot easier than suddenly trying to kind of do a handbrake turn, and suddenly everything changing. So you can just dial it back, and then you can see how that feels. You can see how people respond. Oftentimes, you'll kind of get away with it. You know, no one will have a negative response to you. You because you're and you'll feel better in yourself. You'll be like, Ah, that was much closer to how I really feel. And then you can, you know, you can keep it, exploring that and dialing it around. You may notice that some people have a very adverse reaction to even slight changes like that. That that's where the real test of authenticity starts to kick in, and where it gets a bit rockier, because you may notice that some of the people that you have maybe as friends aren't quite as good of friends as you had thought they were because they will only be friends with you under certain conditions, basically, only if you behave in a certain way, which obviously you know that that's not a good friend if your well being and health relies on you being authentic. So I in an ideal world, all friends would support you in moving in that direction, but inevitably, you will bump heads with some people who don't feel that way. And that's the test. And then the question is, am I going to stay true to me, or am I going to kind of abandon myself so that this person will like me? And that's that's kind of where the rubber hits the road. Often, when you move through those moments, you will find that a whole new lease of life. So it will set you free, and the power of life will start flowing through you more, and that will feel like freedom, liberation, empowerment, release, you know, but sometimes it can be tricky to get there. That's where myself and other beings come in, because you can call on us for support. If you're unable to directly connect with me or other beings, you can re watch this or other videos where I'm being channeled and feel my energy. And I hope that in in hearing what I'm saying right now, you'll feel a sense of ease, like, Oh, this is quite a lot to take on by myself. It can feel quite lonely. It can feel quite challenging. But hold on, actually, I can feel the presence of hella here around me, supporting me, and that makes it easier. That's my role. Really. I'm here to be a kind of a bit of a cheerleader in many ways. So how does that sound? I was talking a lot there.

Jannecke Øinæs 53:06

Thank you. Thank you for sharing. I feel it's helpful. And Jackie and I spoke about before we started recording, that we've felt our shadows come forward, especially in 2025 at least for me, especially the latest months. And I'm curious if that is a collective feeling, and whether that is the reason why you are coming forward now, because shadows are really coming forward in the collective and if you could also speak about then, if it gets easier in 2026 Yeah.

Jack Morrigan 53:44

So first of all, I just want to take a moment to celebrate you for what you're doing in your own personal life, because I understand that that's very difficult. It's hard to move through that shadow material and and oftentimes there's not that many people around who you can feel heard by and supported by, you know, and this goes out to you, yanika, but it goes out also to everyone who's listening, because Your greatest victories in Shadow Work will probably happen when you will feel most alone, and you've made feel very isolated. And I just want to take a moment to acknowledge you, because that's a huge achievement that you're making for yourself. So first, I want to say that second, yes, this has been a very difficult year for many people, and in particular certain sensitives, and that is to lay the foundation for what's to come. So. You are asking, Does it get better? The answer is, generally speaking, for those of you who are putting in the work now, the answer is yes, because you're moving into a year where authenticity is going to start becoming more and more central for humanity. It is a essential for humanity to evolve beyond the point that it's at now, for more and more of you to tune into that authenticity. And of course, as you're doing shadow work and you're healing yourself, you're becoming more authentic. So what's going to happen over the coming year is going to be a real test for people who are inauthentic. And there are lots of inauthentic people out there, you know, there are lots of inauthentic people in the spiritual scene. There are lots of inauthentic people who are leaders in the spiritual scene. And if, if those people who are inauthentic and pretending to be authentic are going to continue trying to play that charade, it's not going to go well, you know, we're upping the expectation in coming years. So those who are kind of misusing spiritual authority to have power over other people are going to have a hard time. But those of you who are putting in the work and moving into authenticity, you will be supported more and more in doing that. And for those of you who are more established in that place, you'll be more elevated. You know your voice will be elevated more it's It's time now for there to be a drastic shift in who human beings look to as authorities, as voices of wisdom, and it's time for the authentic people to lead.

Jannecke Øinæs 57:11

Yeah, that's good news, authentic people to lead. So all right, will we see that in 2026 or will that take a couple more years? If you have the vision to see that,

Jack Morrigan 57:26

no, it's it will be beginning in this coming year. It will accelerate over time, but this is going to be a pivotal year for that beginning, and you will see that over the course of this year, it will play out in your personal lives, and you'll see it on the larger scale around you as well. That's not to say that we're going to click our fingers and there's going to be a total kind of shift around, because at the moment, the reality is that it's mostly in all the inauthentic people who are in positions of power in your world. That's not going to completely turn on its head over the next year, but you will see significant openings moving in that direction.

Jannecke Øinæs 58:13

And when will we start to see the new earth? Is that also the next year you talked about Ragnhild rock, and then the New Earth arrives. So, well, when, when? When will we see the new Earth arrive?

Jack Morrigan 58:27

So I would say that you're already seeing it, the beginnings. You know, us being here, having this conversation, is the new earth. You know this is it's been a long time since I had the opportunity to speak as clearly and frankly as I am right now. That's absolutely the beginnings of the new earth, the the the full blossoming of the new earth, you could say, which will be a drastic transformation in kind of power structures around the world and all sorts of other things, is going to be a longer process, you could Think, upwards of 25 years from now. But I don't want to put place that kind of in some far away place, and then have people feeling low about that, because I want to help you to see that actually it's already happening. The fact that you're here listening to this means that you're a part of it. And notice, notice the positive changes as and when you can you know you and I just want to say as well, you all are warriors. You all are warriors. You are here on the front lines of the evolution of human consciousness. You. And you deserve to respect yourself as much you know understand that you have been through a lot and that you have your battle scars from the conflicts of human consciousness, but you also have dignity. You have dignity dignity and having been through this, and I hope that more of you can stand tall in your own self respect and self dignity.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:00:37

Thank you. Hela, is there anything you would like to say at the end to the audience listening watching that they need to hear and will be uplifted by today. One second.

Jack Morrigan 1:01:07

Yeah, you cannot fail. You cannot fail. There will be moments where it feels like you are failing. There will be moments where it feels like this is too much, and no matter what happens, you will get through. There is a force of creation that is supporting you and is behind you. So even when it feels like all is lost, know that that is just the stepping stone for a new rebirth, that you are evolving, and that no matter how much your mind is convinced of the bleakness of situations, there will be breaks in the cloud and a new you emerging.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:02:19

Thank you so much for coming today. It was really lovely, actually to connect with you. Good.

Jack Morrigan 1:02:31

Shall I bring Jack back? Yes, please. Okay. Oh, just before I go, I want to say thank you so much, janika, this has been wonderful. I am thrilled beyond words to be here, and I'm really pleased that you can see that I'm not the big, scary monster that people have made me out as, and that I'm actually on your side and thank you for giving me a voice.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:03:08

Thank you. It was really nice for me to bring some Wisdom From North.

Jack Morrigan 1:03:14

That's exactly Thank you. I'll bring back Jack now. Yeah,

Jack Morrigan 1:03:31

hey, All right, welcome, hey, yeah, give me some tea.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:03:37

Me too. How did you feel and how do you feel right now.

Jack Morrigan 1:03:42

I feel good. I feel great. Actually. I often feel very good afterwards. That one was especially moving, because I could just feel how she was telling me, like she was basically saying, like, oh, remember when I first connected with you? And I said, you're gonna help me clear my name. Like, this is literally it happening and, like, so I was like, it's bringing tears to my eyes, you know, it's like, what? It's so crazy. How something that's happening while I'm alone and I'm just having this, you know, connection in my head years ago, then becomes reality, you know? And it's like they prophesize these things say that's going to happen, and then before I know it, it is literally happening.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:04:35

And to me, what's really wild is that when I was young, and I'm I'm constantly referring to me as a young girl, but it's just showing up again and again for me now in my internal landscape, me as a nine year old who felt that this was so real. When my teacher was talking about all these gods and goddesses, it just felt so real. And then they return in the Hollywood movies. And I get so happy, like, there's like a reconnection. There something that it just felt like a deep wisdom. It felt like something deeper and truer. And then you learn that, oh, they're just mythology figures, you know, don't put too much in that. You know, that was just the Vikings. I believed in these stories. Like that's something lesser than don't put your faith in something silly fantasy figures. And I felt there was something deeper to it, and it's returning, and it's coming back, and it's just feels so profound. Yeah?

Jack Morrigan 1:05:41

Right, yeah, yeah. And I think one of the reasons it feels so profound, and why those stories feel so true is because they're pointing us back to a part of ourselves like the gods and the goddesses are often interpreted as being something external that kind of has an influence on us, that maybe we can connect with and talk to. But for me, more and more, it's like I'm one with these beings like and I always have been, and returning to them is it feels like a homecoming, because I'm returning to myself. But what's incredible is that that goes both ways, like I feel it from them too, like they miss us, like they miss having a connection with us. They want to be in contact with us like they feel incomplete, because they know that we're a lost part of themselves. So really, they're just trying to guide us back into Unity. You know,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:06:57

the great return? True? Yes, well, this has been lovely, as always. Jack, thank you so much for coming back to the show, and I always like to wrap up the episode with my two questions, what is self love to you? I've asked before, maybe the answer has changed,

Jack Morrigan 1:07:20

probably this so it has been a brutal year for me, and what is self love to me, it would be being myself, even when those around me, I I don't want me to be me. You know, being self love to me right now is like being me even when people don't like me. You know, like being so true to myself that people cannot like me, and that's been really hard for me. And it's not like I'm, I'm done with that, like I'm, I've definitely got a lot to learn, but it just feels so liberating to be moving in that direction,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:08:21

speaking of being authentic, right? Yeah, yeah. And what is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective as today?

Jack Morrigan 1:08:35

So like, something else that's been going along with this year is, like the thing that a friend of mine calls like releasing the threads like, It's like realizing that,

Jack Morrigan 1:08:59

like I life is free when I stop trying to control it, like, by releasing my need to control life and make it any kind of way, I start being like, liberated into that deeper, deeper part of life that is almost kind of beyond meaning. It's almost free of meaning. I don't know what else to say, but like that's kind of happening. I'm sort of in that process,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:09:40

lovely, and if people want to connect with you and your dragons, and yeah, learn more, how can they do so?

Jack Morrigan 1:09:50

So I've got my YouTube channel. Maybe we can put a link for it. I think it's at my rising rose, which they're called the dragons of the rising rose. And. And so I do regular channelings on there, or you can join us for some of the programs that we do on JackMorrigan.com

Jannecke Øinæs 1:10:07

lovely. Thank you so much, Jack and all the best.

Jack Morrigan 1:10:14

Thank you. Jannecke, bye.