Unveiling the Infinite Universe! With Gary Wimmer

Gary Wimmer 0:00

So I looked up, and there's this huge light right above my head. And I looked around, and none of these people who were staring at me saw this, and I realized this light was coming down from the palms of seven white robed figures, and I was amazed. And they said, do you trust us? I was hit head on by a speeding car. Instantly, I'm outside my body. So I went outside the universe, and then I realized I looked up and there's an infinite universes, and that's the one I came out. So we can't let you go home. They put me in jail. And what was funny is I couldn't see all these other prisoners, but maybe a slice of their face from the bars. But as soon as I came in; what's your crime, buddy? I said, Well, I got charged with crossing the galaxy and going to higher dimensions and seeing infinite mind and coming back in the middle of a car crash without. What? I said, never mind.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:02

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Gary Wimmer 1:20

I'm honored, my dear.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:22

I'm really excited to have you on the show. You are the author of a second in eternity. You are a professional psychic for more than 40 years. You're a musician and actor, and you've had some profound mystical experiences and a near death experience many, many years ago that is quite mind blowing, and I just had to have you on the show so you could share that. But before you do, could you share how did your spiritual journey start in the first place?

Gary Wimmer 1:51

I grew up with six brothers. I had two older brothers, double a triple Sagittarius, 45 and 46 I was born in 47 Scorpio. I watched this tension my whole life between the two of them, and I developed sort of a sense of staying out of the catastrophe, knowing what was going to happen I got in college, I was an altar boy, or knew the whole bass mass in Latin. Had no problem with God or Jesus had a problem with the Catholic Church. You know, especially after people just like, Wait a minute. So when I got in college, I started reading a lot of Edgar, Casey, madam, bobsky, Ruth Montgomery, about all sorts of psychic ability. Out of curiosity, I moved to Austin in 1970 and actually a girl in college, did a horoscope for me and said, You got a lot of psychic ability. I was electrical engineer at the time. Graduate in 1970 it was Vietnam War. I was a conscientious objector. I served as a, you know, state school here, mentally retarded kids got out two years later, it was still on defense work. I didn't want to work in the defense industry. Forgive my dog. If you can hear him, he's in the other room. Can't shut him

Jannecke Øinæs 3:09

I have a dog too in the other room, but he's quiet now.

Gary Wimmer 3:14

I'll try to talk my dog, which is charged powerful. So anyway, I got into giving readings the early 70s, couple psychics suggested that start using regular playing cards. I also started playing music way back in the early 60s, before the Beatles came out. I started playing lead guitar, played all bands, all through high school, all through college got out, and I wouldn't plan on being a professional musician. But two years after, I served as a conscientious objector, it was like still defense work, and I was an electrical engineer, and I wanted the money and wanted I liked engineering, but screw that. I went to play music because I didn't want to work in the defense industry. And a couple years last, started reading more and more about psychic ability. I started giving readings a lot with just regular playing cards. Very curious all the time. In 1970 what seemed to come out of clear blue. I remember it was January, 1977 I quit the band I was with. I needed some time off, time on the you know, think about what I wanted to do, priorities. I quit the band, and that night, moved back into my apartment with duplex, small duplex with two roommates. I didn't know him too well, but that night, I started picking up what people are going to say before they'd say. It shocked me. I went to sleep, tried to go to sleep, couldn't sleep, woke up the next morning, my roommate's walking through with the paper, reading it, and I saw the headlines through his eyes. He threw it down the table. It was about Jimmy Carter, and I'm was staring at it. Kind of petrified. You? Okay? Yeah, think so next couple hours later. So I walked to the store, and I started noticing I can pick up what everybody's thinking. I wasn't sure, but it was pretty strong, and they kind of went along with the mood on their face and the way they were walking. So Brendan, my roommate, was concerned about me. I'd been acting rather strange. We went to a bar that night, and right before we walked in, I felt this strange premonition about two feet from the door. Didn't know what it was. We went in, listen to band for a moment in the back. It was too loud. I needed to quiet. So I sat at the front of the bar where the pool tables are, thought about taking a break, and all of a sudden, I'm outside, standing in that spot, and these people are walking up to get in the door, and they walk right through me. I opened my eyes. I'm still sitting at the bar stool, but the door opened, and these people walked through, dressed just as I'd seen them. Was thinking of growing I thought that's weird. I wonder if I can do it again, I start transporting myself outside and seeing what the people dress like when they're coming in. My roommate came in. I bet him I could tell what they were dressed like I did. He thought I cheated. Looked outside.

Gary Wimmer 6:16

This premonition, ability started gaining strength. Another little incident. We were at a restaurant one time, and my roommate, Brendan, just about the second or third day, I can't remember, was asking me if everything was okay. I said, Yes, which is really strange. I said, explain it. I said, Well, it's easier to show it. For example, I pointed out two ladies just nudged to Brendan in the far corner. You recognize either them. He said, No. I said, Well, Imma have the brunette who was facing away from us. I'm going to have the brunette write me a letter completely harmed us. The psychic ability had gotten so strong I couldn't turn it off. I was either picking things up or interjecting things. And by that, I mean I would look at a stranger two blocks away and think, scratch your head, and they would do it, and I would think, did I make that happen, or was I aware that was about to happen? I couldn't tell the difference between creator and witness at this point. So we're at this restaurant, and I'm thinking to this brunette, write me a letter. I'm the guy over here in the blue shirt. Blah, blah, blah, Brandon's eating. We're both eating. He completely forgot about it. I imagine the light like on an airline down the aisle, leading it right over to me. I didn't go by there, didn't look at it, didn't talk. 15 minutes later, they're walking out of the bar, the one lady walked out, and then the brunette and she threw a napkin down our table, and she'd written big black bold letters, why are you doing this to me?

Gary Wimmer 7:55

That completely freaked me out. I want to go chase her down and say, What did you feel? What? I was too shocked. I was affecting people's lives and not harmfully, but people were getting shot. People get concerned about me. I was, I'd be driving with someone, and I could pick up a dog running in front of this car, and I'd scream, dog. And there wasn't a dog, but two blocks later, there were there was a dog, and so all these premonitions started rolling around together, and I felt these sort of guardian angels. I call them the monitors, because they seem to either name themselves, that they were monitoring me, or I named them that, and they said, that's cool. I never saw them, but I felt them, and they were kind of my only I guess rope to sanity. It's something wiser than me knows what's going on, because by the second, third and fourth day, I was no longer in normal life. Everything I was seeing was in symbolism. You know, I could tell who's going to call the phone next. I'd look at a clock. I'd see it jump to two, 217 when a friend had just told me, I'll drop over a couple hours. I could see exactly when he'd come through. He comes through the door. I look up the clock, 217 this went on and on, and I got real concerned, and so did my friends. It started feeling like too much I could go through. I wrote a book a second eternity. There it is. But about that experience, it's 200 pages. There's a seven or eight days of this intense spiritual, psychic build up. I had never been so terrified and scared in my life because I didn't know what was happening, but same time, I never felt so empowered and so enlightening. It was the weirdest sensation, because it was extreme fear and extreme Wow. This is Wow. What a world. But after a while, I couldn't deal with. It, and I was this is February 7, 1977 I left my duplex. Wasn't sure where I was going. Just had to get out, walk, walk, walk. After August, cold night. I'm praying. I'm meditating. I keep hearing these voices. Talk to me, say, keep your eyes on the light, watch the signs, and so I was looking at every headlight or star. Had to keep my eyes on the light. I got down to Guadalupe Street, here in Austin, Texas, across from University of Texas, and I was terrified. I was crying. I was begging the universe to help me. Bunch of people around me looked at me. Big circle around me. They didn't know what to do, and I almost wanted to tell them to back away. I might blow up people. But all of a sudden, I got this warm, warm feeling, and I opened my eyes, I looked up, and there's this huge light right above my head, about six feet, a measurable distance.

Gary Wimmer 11:08

And I looked around, and none of these people who were staring at me saw this, and I didn't care it was there. And I looked up and I realized this light was coming down from the palms of seven white robed, grayish robed figures around a crystal table. It was about that thick, not that thick. Everything had dimensions. It was real. Well, I'm not kind of fuzzy, kind of here, kind of there. And I was amazed. And they said, do you trust us in this one warm voice. I describe it as James Earl Jones, because it sounded like that. Do you trust real, warm, real. That starts I don't understand what's going on. I get all this feeling, do you trust us? I asked a couple times. I looked around and all these people around me are looking at me like, What's with this guy? Because I'm talking to an empty sky, as far as they see, and I still didn't care, long story short, and you have to read the book to understand this, I was hit head on by a speeding car. Instantly, I'm outside my body.

Jannecke Øinæs 12:19

Sorry. What was this at the next day or the

Gary Wimmer 12:23

this is five seconds after I'd seen the guides. Kind of hard to explain, but I was a hit head on. Didn't even feel it, and as soon as I hit the car, I'm outside, my body looking down, my body getting tumbled over by the car. And soon I was moving away from the whole world. And I was moving out in all directions, not like an arrow, like an expanding balloon, the whole earth went inside me. I saw it from all sides, north, south, east and west, all at once, because it's inside me, psychically, mentally, spiritually, my body's laid out in the street, Waterloo street people screaming and hectic, and I didn't care. Fact, I forgot about it pretty quickly. I had no awareness of myself. I was just expanding. And this is the most beautiful sensation, completely fearless. The more I expanded, the less awareness of self I had. I went through this huge got to the edge of the universe. Went through it felt like the a level of consciousness that seemed to call itself the colors it was where we as we come into the universe at birth, we collapse in from all directions, just like I was going out, that's how you go out at death, all directions, not an arrow. You just that's how we come in and go out. And I was seeing it in real time. So I went outside the universe, and then I realized I looked up and there's an infinite universes, and that's the one I came out, but all these universes rolled up into a big tunnel of light. That's a perfect description. A lot of people have used that, and still, I have no awareness of myself. But this is ecstasy. I just can't believe you. For you, the thrill, the sensation, the love and I come out of this tunnel of light, kind of felt like our clown being shot out of a circus cannon, but ended up in this sky blue void about the color of your background behind you, kind of a turquoise light, sky blue, and it was infinite, and I knew instantaneously it was the infinite mind period of God. Infinite mind. There was no limit, there was no bias. There was nothing more powerful. And as a matter of fact, it either existed which it does. And everything can potentially exist, or it wouldn't existed, and nothing would exist. There's nothing in between. It's either infinite or don't exist, and it does exist, and I was observing this, well, I was part of it. I felt like I was at one with it. Then it felt like I was observing it, and I felt myself having a sense of separateness and being pulled away from it. I went back through this tunnel of light. I saw this universe I was drawn toward it. Still had no idea who I was, but I couldn't stop what I called I use the term spiritual gravity in the book, because it felt like I was being pulled back into this realm, even though I didn't know who I was or what this realm was. I liked where I was. But here we go. The closer I got to Earth, the more I felt some sort of connection dude didn't know who I was. Then I saw three series of pictures. The first was all the craziness we're going through now. I saw 911, COVID, 19. I saw these wars and tensions and breaking news, political turmoil and chaos, and it was pretty heavy and pretty intense, but it's clearing out all the problems we're getting, to see all the holes in our systems and in ourselves and our flaws, so we can fix them. That's what we're going through. So we can enter the Age of Aquarius. The second series of pictures was the Age of Aquarius, 50 years, 100 years, 200 years.

Gary Wimmer 16:40

Or there's quite a different world. It's warmer, it's hotter, there's less land, there's more water, there's high technology, there's space. I don't know if there's going to be 30 billion people on the planet or just 3 billion trying to repatch it. I don't know. It's all possibilities kind of coming into play. But then I saw the third series of pictures, and they were about me. I didn't know it was me. I saw this musician and a psychic, or maybe I know this guy, and all of a sudden, I'm right, staring at my body laying out in Guadeloupe Street in the middle of street, people screaming and hollering. His face is leaning over me, and I realize that's me, and I jump into my body, and sure enough, he's red hair hanging over me. This driver's terrified. He's the guy who hit me, man, I tried to, I just been to Heaven. I couldn't deal with this. Well, it started to jump up. He tried to hold me back. I kind of pushed him back. Man, you're in shock. You're hurt. I'm not hurt at all. You know? How do you know? Oh, God, just shut up. I wanted to walk home. It was too weird to deal with. The cars all banged in. I hear the ambulances, cops coming, and some people and said, No, just stay around. Because, you know, you I thought, yeah, okay, I'll stay to the cops and aim is, I'll explain this. I'll go home. The other option is me running off and have them chasing me through the alleys. So sure enough, a couple seconds later, the cops and Amy's came, and they're looking all around for a body, because they got a head on collision. You know, I'm staying talking to people, and the medics and the cops rush with me. How you talking? How you stand? Well, staying on my feet like you. The whole car is total they go, you hit this car? Yeah, yeah. And every time I try to explain to them why I wasn't hurt, why I was standing, they didn't want to hear it. It was too heavy, and I could understand that, you know, nobody's going to believe this. So welcome to another dilemma. They took me to the hospital or emergency room, x rayed me, checked me out, not a scratch, nothing. Then a man walked in the emergency room, and I knew his name from a premonition about two days before, and he was a psychiatrist, I knew all about his family, and he was blown away. How do you know all this? Said, I know everything right now, Doc, can I go home? No, can't just go home. We can't let you out of the hospital like this. I'm sorry, buddy, we're going to have to get you committed to a psychiatric hospital. Just what you're saying. Just don't make sense. I said, Well, explain to me how I wasn't hurt from a speeding car. I can't. Well, nobody can, but me do whatever you got to do. I don't care. Get a sip of my coffee here. And so so he said, we're going to have to come and put you in a jail until we can get a protective order, a protective custody sign legally by a judge or family member or something. So we can't let you go home. They put me in jail. And what was funny is I could. And see all these other prisoners, but like maybe a slice of their face through the bars. But as soon as I came in, what's your crime, buddy? I said, Well, I got charged with crossing the galaxy and going to higher dimensions and seeing infinite mind and coming back in the middle of a car crash without what I said, Never mind.

Gary Wimmer 20:21

And I started talking to him and telling them about their cases and their lawyers, because I could feel it. I could pick it up. I mean, how do you know that, man, that you're right? That's my lawyer's name. How did you know that? God, I don't know. I'm just picking up everything. And 15 minutes later, a jailer came and put his face right in my cell and said, You are not a lawyer. You do not have the right to give these people legal advice. You either shut up or we'll put you in solitary confinement. And I went, thank you, because I didn't particularly want to talk. I want to lay down and kind of figure it out. They gave me a perfect cop out, Yep, sorry. Can't talk anymore. Guys. Finally, they took me up to an office where my brother, who lived here in town, and a detective were asking me what happened. Or don't open that can of worms, you'll get an answer as soon as I started talking about what happened. And I looked at both of my own brother and this cop, and I realized this ain't gonna make any sense. That's why I was committed to a psychiatric hospital. And I went to the psychiatric hospital, and, man, I'm a happy, jubilant guy. I just been to Heaven. You know, I could understand why they didn't understand. No problem. Hell. I barely do, but I'm the one who went there. So they called me Mr. Smiles. I was playing guitar and piano for the you know, the kids there, after 10 days, they brought me for a board of 10 psychiatrists. They want to make sure I'm okay to release me or to ask for another 10 day mandatory stay. So they kicked me out. I didn't want to stay anymore, but I told him. I said, You guys may not believe my story. I don't care. It's true. This is what happened. I told you, told the nurse, told the doctor, told the cops, told the ambulance told the police, told the judge, told my family, I can understand why you don't believe it, but your psychiatrist and you should be studying it. You should be asking me question you really want to know the truth, because there's a fine line between spirituality and psychic ability and imagination and your psyche, you know. So anyway, they knew I was smart enough to deal with it, obviously challenge them. So they released me. It took me a couple months to get back in play. I had a rebound. A couple months later, took me several months, about eight or nine months, to kind of come down. And all the time, I kept asking my gods, why me? I mean, no problem, no complaints, the most beautiful experience anybody could ever ask or get. But what did I do to win the lottery? Why date? And finally, eight months later, this is like September, October of 77 I was sitting on my porch playing guitar, and I felt them out and moved the front yard. They shot this light into my head. Traffic stop, the wind stopped, time stopped. And they started reading this thing, saying, at the same time, I saw, like movie credits the kids of a movie rolling off in the distance. And they said, in the same James Earl Jones, the deep voice, you had this experience because you always wanted to know. You were always asking. You're an altar boy. You're reading about psychic ability, you're challenging, you're questioning. We figured you could handle the truth. We took you, brought you back any problem. Thank you. That was a second most beautiful day of my life when I actually realized that it came about like everything, not by accident or coincidence, by cause and effect. That's how everything happened in life everywhere, cause and effect. I had asked, forgot about they took me, reminded me later, remember you asked. Thank you. I'm eternally grateful, and I see a lot of this challenge we're going through now in the world.

Jannecke Øinæs 24:23

If I may, jump in. I mean, this is an incredible story, and I just get curious how it is like, like, how it feels like being you in all these experiences. And would you say that? Or how did your view on reality, perhaps change from before the nd and after nd, like, how do you perceive the world differently today than you did before the NDE,

Gary Wimmer 24:52

well, it was 45 years ago, but 10 seconds after I came back, I realized, wow, I'm. Were going to see life the same. This had changed me forever. I didn't know how or what it took me, like said, some time to cool off, but I realized, first of all, I was interested in psychic ability. I was already giving readings to people. I started giving readings early 70s, with a regular deck of playing cards my own system, you know. So I was aware of psychic ability at the time. It started increasing. My curiosity increased. I will never have the level of psychic ability I had in that one week prior to the near death experience. But it was too hard much to handle. It was flawless, perfectly and clear, but too much to handle. You know, like trying to carry 3000 pounds in your backpack instead of 10.

Jannecke Øinæs 25:50

But it is interesting that you had all these mystical experiences before the NDE. And it seems like then that this was planned, that it's a destiny there, that you were supposed to have this experience, because it seemed like the monitors were prepping you for it,

Gary Wimmer 26:06

absolutely. But I had the choice. I had the choice whether to continue to pursue it. One of my roommates once mentioned during this week that I was going through a peak experience, and maybe should see a psychologist or a psychiatrist. That lasted about a half a second. I thought, no psychiatrist going to understand this, no psychologist going to understand this. This is beyond human. I can't even describe it, hardly how intense it is. So, yeah, I feel very lucky, but I also want to inspire other people that you are also connected to this infinite mind. We are all connected. And if you want to tap into it, you got to practice, just like if you want to learn to play golf or piano or drive, you got to a, make a decision, B, practice three when you develop skill because of practice and decision, no matter what it is, swimming or spiritual growth, then you can take big steps because you already got the basics. You know, you learn the basics of music. You can write complicated music.

Jannecke Øinæs 27:17

I find it fascinating in a way that they said that you wished for it, you asked for it. You were curious. And then I'm thinking a lot of other people are curious as well. But maybe, you know, maybe it is in your destiny, your soul plan, maybe your intention and desire is really, really pure and deep, and maybe it has something to do with, like, how, how profound the intention is. I don't know. It just seems

Gary Wimmer 27:47

absolutely I agree with every bit of that. Because I could have, I could have a stayed electrical engineer. I could have probably been, I was a great Fortran cobalt RPG, assembly language programmer in 6869 and 70, but because the Vietnam War serves a conscientious objector and played music, now I could have maybe gone back into the technological world. Maybe I'd have been a Microsoft founder. Who knows, but I didn't feel like I wanted to be locked into that. I wanted to experience life. I wanted to challenge myself. I knew I didn't have the natural gifts to be a rock star, so it was but at least, I wanted to travel and have fun and not be in traffic and, you know, experience life. And my whole adult life, most of it was as a musician. I've always been given readings, but it's about the last 20 years I've done it more professionally, and about 15 years ago, I quit playing music. You know, my back, I'm old. I hate I'm tired of hearing myself. I ain't a good singer. I learned to be a good entertainer. I taught myself piano, learned to make people laugh, but I knew I'd never get a record deal. But you know what? I always had faith that if I did my part, and I really wanted to play music and travel and have fun, that I could do it. Why shouldn't I? You know, I knew I'd be a working musician at best, but like 99% of the world's musicians, they stars, their work, driver, the bass player, the you know, but that was good enough for me to travel and have fun, like I told you. I lived in Copenhagen. Lived in Europe, travel all over, played the cruise ships, Sweden, Norway, you know, Estonia, uh, England.

Jannecke Øinæs 29:40

Love to go back to your near death experience. You mentioned that you are on the edge of the universe. And then I get very curious, right there. So one, there's an edge of our universe, and what's outside you said you saw other universes. I'm so curious. What did you see? What is out there?

Gary Wimmer 30:00

Infinite, infinite. Now the physicists, of course, and I study quantum physics, you know, an engineer. I don't get in the math anymore, but the concept of the smallest of the small, that is the interface between the non physical and the physical. And I saw that 1977 stirring in my wall. I went right inside an atom, right inside the subatomic particle, right inside the very basis of creativity that makes that subatomic particle. I went to that depth. And I know now, now science is starting to realize, Wow, what makes the subatomic particles they're having to deal with this thing called consciousness that they don't like, and it doesn't fit into formulas. But you know what? That's how life came about. Like just about every person who's had a near death experience, and I've studied a lot, and I've read a lot, and I've talked to a lot of them, I'm on a lot of panels. 99% say the one thing, the one thing in common, is infinite love. Every experience are different, but 99% of the people say, Wow, experienced infinite love. And the irony is, and again, science will never be able to fill in this gap, but infinite love manifested into infinite creativity, that manifested into independence, freedom, like you, like me, free will, individual souls. It's all infinite mind looking at itself in infinite ways. That's who we are,

Jannecke Øinæs 31:39

and you just said something about that, when we die, we expand, and when we come down to this incarnation, we sort of come from all over the place, and we become this small part. And then I'm puzzled, because to me, I'm like, don't I come from that place or that place, and then Yannick, as a soul, sort of goes down. But you said that we come from all over the place. Is it basically? Are you saying that we are like, like, when we die, we go totally back to all there is source, God, and then correct? But aren't there levels of

Gary Wimmer 32:22

absolutely, there are levels. If you just look at the biology on the planet, we got billions of levels of life, from amoeba to us. You know there's, there's infinite levels on that side. Too different people go to different levels and but there's not time like we think of it, but there is growth, there is progress. It's just not in time and space like we see it, and it's a completely different world. It's kind of hard to imagine, but use your imagination try, because we're all connected to it. We all came from there. We all have an umbilical cord to experience it. And if you meditate, ask your guides believe that you can see it, and you gotta practice, just like golf or sex or driving or polo, erasing your consciousness, you don't practice not going to game. But yeah, we're it's attainable. What I saw as the edge of the universe was like a concept, so to speak. There's really, physicists won't, won't say there's an edge of the universe, and technically there's not. But I was metaphysically going out. But yeah, I do believe that souls actually collapse and come in that way, they take an imprint of everything. You know, it's so fast, so instantaneously, and it's not related to the speed of light, you know, the physical thing, because I was moving certainly faster than speed of light.

Jannecke Øinæs 33:54

It was interesting that you said that you felt drawn to the to this universe, and you were like, you didn't know who you were. And so do you think, do you have a feeling like, in the aftermath of this that you sort of, sort of this universe and this earth is your family, your planet, like you're more connected to it. Or have you been other places?

Gary Wimmer 34:19

We've all been other places we only experience a small fragment in this lifetime, or any lifetime of all the experiences we've had throughout eternity, because we have time wise, there really wasn't the beginning time wise, there really won't be an end. Yes, there will be an end to this universe, this planet, but there's not an end to infinite mind. And like I said, we're all part of it. So, yeah, I think it's we all get this unique experience. It's a gift. It's not an accident. We chose to be individual souls, whether it's limited how long the experience goes. How many people will be here in 50 years? There's so many questions I can't answer. I don't know. They're not exact, or they're in the process of forming. Also, I believe in multiple universes. For example, if I remove my hand this way, I've helped create one universe in which I move my hand that way at this time, if I did this hand this way, that's a different universe that's but all of them seem to seamlessly fall together. We don't notice all these decisions of free will, how they affect things on a second to second basis, but they do, attitude, intentions, ideas, movements, thoughts. Everything affects everything. To some degree, there's everything interconnected.

Jannecke Øinæs 35:50

I know that I've heard of that many times our, you know, our multi dimensionality, and we start seeing it in Hollywood movies, in serious and it is just so mind blowing. I can be open to the thought that, oh, there can be Yannick two on earth two, and Yannick three on Earth three. But then when you say, like, if I do this and that, that is another universe, and that is another universe that is just mind blowing like that, that's, I don't know how that's possible, like reincarnation and past lives, that seems so limited. If there's multiple use and multiple mes, and then we have our past lives and we have our future lives, and it just, I cannot wrap my mind around it.

Gary Wimmer 36:38

You don't have to. You don't have to wrap your mind around how your cell phone works to use it, pick it up, dial a number. I'm an electrical engineer. I can explain to you how it works, but you don't need that information. Just use it. Just use it. The complexity of the universe, how things happen? What makes things happen? Why this happened here. Why this there? How much free will affects creativity, how much is predestination or choice before those are I mean, you could go on for eternity explaining that in some form or another. I could probably babble about it for a couple hours. But bottom line is we do have free will. We can't change anything up to this second, and don't need to thank God. We can't change the past. We can't change other people. We can't change billions of things. Life is all about what we can change, and there's no limit to how much we can grow internally or spiritually or mentally. And what we can change is always our attitudes, the way we look at everything, with curiosity, hope or I don't get it. If you tell yourself you don't get it, you ain't going to be getting it because you told yourself you don't get it. ,

Jannecke Øinæs 37:58

Yeah I've come to understand how powerful creators we are. Believe we are all God, God. And still I I'm noticing my ego is like but I want to be this individual. And what about my family? What about, you know, those we love? Will we see them again, as they as I remember, like my grandmom, my grandfather, or will they be just somewhere in another universe?

Gary Wimmer 38:26

Well, again, there's infinite possibility. There's infinite levels to go to, there's infinite time to do it in. If this universe eventually spreads out, like physicists say, it might just into nothingness, expanding forever, we'll be over in some other universe. You know, no problem.

Jannecke Øinæs 38:49

I see, I see, um, you saw these pictures that was interesting, like back in the 70s, because this happened in the 70s, a long time ago, COVID, you said, and 911 and I don't remember if it was another thing you saw as well. Now, why

Gary Wimmer 39:06

rising sea levels, tensions, wars again? How much was actually written in stone? I don't know. But I did start seeing these things happen, and my guides when they came back in september of 1977 to explain to me why I had this experience. They also said, you will see this in your lifetime. You've we've shown you this. You will see a lot of this in the lifetime, not all of it, because I saw 150 years into the future, and I'm 77 I don't think I'm gonna live another 150 years. But, yeah, I saw this again. How much is written in stone, how much can change because of choice and so forth. I think we've done a great job, at least up to this point, that Russia and US in particular, through the Cold War didn't blow each other up. Up. That's kind of a maybe we can build on that sanity. Who knows, you know, and who knows? Maybe it's in our thing, or Russia nukes Ukraine and we start world war three. I don't know for sure, but I am an optimist. Bottom line in the fact that no matter what we go through life, is giving us an opportunity to learn and grow and evolve. And if you're get killed, you're in heaven. Problem solved, yeah, if you're still here, we can still learn and grow and evolve. Problem solved. I live in a win win scenario. Why not? I learned that through going through so much depression, anxiety, fear, doubt, but if you never went through fear, you could never become fearless. That's a fact. And I have to admit, I'm fearless. I don't I'm not afraid of anything that could change tomorrow. I hope it doesn't. I kind of like that to the spot

Jannecke Øinæs 40:59

I saw an in in an in an interview that you said, and I hope it's okay, I'm saying that that you are bipolar, or were bipolar and you had depression, and I'm curious to hear if that depression has went away like for good, because, or if you know anything about What is Depression really like there's so many people struggling from that, myself included, I had it for several years. Have you gotten some spiritual

Gary Wimmer 41:31

Yeah, it's a it was a learning curve. I noticed in high school. I started getting depressed. I've always been real moody. I got so drunk in my senior prom, I ended up in a critical condition in the hospital, almost died of alcohol poisoning, 1965 but that's last time I got drunk in my life, and that's 50 years of being a musician. Some things I learned quicker, some things I have to do a couple of times. But what was your question again, did I get off?

Jannecke Øinæs 42:01

Well, if you got any spiritual insight about what depression is, because I know people are struggling with it, and if, whether you still have some ups and downs or

Gary Wimmer 42:10

no, oh, I still have ups and downs, I still have the chemistry. I'm still I'm a double Scorpio and an extremist, yeah, I still have tendency, because I don't get depressed anymore. I i Just because we don't have to stay there. It takes practice, commitment, devotion, intentions, attitudes, to conquer a lot of things, and depression is one of them. It's not necessarily a permanent condition, and I realized that, and thank God, because I encourage other people. Hey, I've been there. You have no idea how much depressed I've been, buddy. You have no idea what fear I've been through, and I praise it all now, because I'm fearless and I can help people deal with depression. Change your head, change the way you think. Quit telling yourself you're not worthy or beautiful or good, start loving yourself. People forgot to love themselves. You know, like I tell people, it's not stupid to put good gas in your car. It's smart, right? You know, if you're on the, you know, running team of for for your high school or college, it's not selfish to run fast. That's why you're there. It's not selfish to grow, evolve, learn, love yourself. It's selfish to not do that. Infinite mind gave you an opportunity to be you, me, all of us, and yeah, we're going to go through some challenges, but if you never went through some challenges or surprises or curveballs or doubt or fear, you'd be dumber than a rock. How to deal with any of that. I praise Every curveball I get. Thank you, because if it doesn't kill me, I can learn if it kills me, Wow, now I'm in heaven. Next look as a win win scenario. Teach yourself to believe in yourself. It's a technique and a decision. Yeah, you can get therapy and drugs. And I, you know, when they put me in the in Shoal Creek hospital, they gave me lithium carbonate. A couple months later, I ended up in the state hospital. They gave me Thorazine. I quit taking both of them as soon as I got out of the hospital, I could boil, put me out. But having been through that, I realized that it is a conquerable situation, and I went through it in such extremes that, yeah, I've ignited a fire under my butt. I am not going to be mad or look at myself from what I don't have, I don't have a good voice, don't have any rock and roll hair, you know, I'm gonna look at myself for what I can do, how much I can love, how much I can grow, how much I can evolve. And when you put those intentions in your mind instead of the fear, the depression, just. You had it yesterday, doesn't mean you have to have it today, or just because you believed you were stuck with it yesterday doesn't mean you have to believe that today. You can, but you don't have to free will. That's why, in every book in the Bible and everything, it says Ask and You Shall Receive, very clearly, knock and the door shall be opened. It doesn't say we know you're depressed and lost and need some money, don't have a job, and we'll ship all you all the answers and get at UPS tomorrow at two o'clock. Should be proactive. And the more you ask, and the more you believe, and the more you set your mind to connecting with your guys. They're real. They're there, but they can not break in on our free will period, and they won't, but they'll tap us on the shoulder. They'll hint. They'll talk to us in our waking consciousness and during our dreams, but they will not force us, but they will sure say, hey, there's a better way to do this. Maybe we should listen. Ask.

Jannecke Øinæs 46:10

I'm going to ask, like a critical question when it comes to asking, because all my guests, I feel almost all my guests, are saying the same, you know, ask, ask, ask, and then I hear, you know, the voices of so many saying out there, but I've asked, and I've prayed and I prayed and I prayed, and my mother died still of cancer, or I lost my son, or I lost this person, and I prayed and I prayed. Now, what would we say to them? Wasn't it then meant to be, or was it a higher plan they agreed to? Or what would you say to those who said but I have asked.

Gary Wimmer 46:48

Probably a little bit of all the above. I go back to when I was a Catholic kid in Catholic school, in the third grade, and a priest come in to our classroom, was talking to us and said, Does God answer all your prayers? And of course, everybody thought no, and he wisely said yes, but maybe not in the way you maybe not in what you hope for, but every bit of intention serves a good purpose. Of course, we don't get everything we work on. We don't get everything we ask for. If you got it all, you never learn how to recalibrate. Okay, maybe volleyball ain't my gig. I think I'll take up checkers, you know, but yeah, our guides want us to ask, but they can't force us to accept that that practice works. They can tap us on the shoulder, and believe me, right now in all this world, with the chaos, the fear, the doubt that our guides are actively tapping on our shoulder, and most people kind of feel something like that going on, but they have to choose to go, Okay, I'll listen. I'll open up. They have to do that. Sometimes, some people get tapped more heavily than others. Sometimes people go through some catastrophic changes and challenges. But I don't believe anything's in vain. And if you believe it's in vain, it'll be in vain because you already decided it was period. And you decide how you're going to interpret things. I learned to interpret everything as not being in vain, but in terms of how much it can show me, teach me, help me, help me evolve. Help Me Grow. It's obvious it could throw me curveballs. Jesus, I've had enough like everybody. But if you look at it like what you can learn from it, you shift from nobody's listening. I'm paralyzed. I don't have a chance that all that darkness and loneliness, same situation which you turn on a light, and when you start turning on a light and practice that your situation can change. Because that's why we grow spiritually and psychically and mentally and good attitudes and good intentions. It's to make life work better here now. It's not to get a gold star from God or a good seat in heaven, or, you know, TV show, thank you God. It's to make life work better here now, in real life.

Jannecke Øinæs 49:22

Now, you being a psychic, still, I assume, and also saw different pictures. Now, do you have any insights about 2025? We're just moving into a new year, very soon,

Gary Wimmer 49:41

like I think 90% of the people on this planet, I'm holding my breath, to be honest with you, I'm very upset at the right wing in this country for re electing Trump. I specifically blame the Christian right for electing him because he's not a Christian. And nor are you guys for voting for this guy. He's a pig, he's selfish, he's a liar, he's a cheater, he's a sexual abuser, he's a criminal, and he has no interest whatsoever in God or justice or fairness or anybody else. He has one interest, and that's Trump, and that's himself, and he sees himself as a god. And the American public, and probably the world, will get buyer's regret pretty quick, because he ain't going to make things better. He's going to make things worse because he doesn't have good holistic intentions. He's got selfish intentions, and your intentions set the table for what you're about to eat. And so, yeah, I'm frustrated, concerned, curious, but every day I pray, I meditate, I concentrate on what I can do. I can do my best to kind of encourage people and help people. I can't get him out of office. Believe me, I've made deals with God every day. Take me, take him. Same time. Deal done. If you throw in Vance too, that'll help. But, yeah, I think he's a Trump's a terrible human being, and I think people for electing him are complete fools. But they have their free will. They too, too. They probably think I'm a fool for believing what I believe. You know, Republicans think Democrats are fools. So, yeah, it's a very polarized world. It's a very polarized country. And because we're all going through extremes. Because when we go through extremes, we can also go from life to death, rebirth, transformation, change, or come to Jesus, moment, finally seeing the truth. Pluto's all the deep subconscious, and it's bringing us in this period of extremes which we're going through and will be for varying degrees, for a couple decades of not 150 200 years till we get to a saner world. There's not a date on it. It's a progression, a transformation, and we're right in the middle of it, from Pisces to Aquarius. There's nothing we can do, nothing I can do about all the politics and chaos except think positive, think creative. Do my part to try inspire people. You know, wish I could do more. We do, do the best we can, that's all we can do.

Jannecke Øinæs 52:26

Yeah, I have some questions that I ask all my guests, and I'm wondering, what is the deepest spiritual insight you have received in your life?

Gary Wimmer 52:34

Certainly my near death experience. It was kind of an all at once gift. There was, and I'm still seeing signs every day of what I saw back then, 4550 years ago. You know, whether it's on TV or some things I experienced or news? No, I didn't know I was going to turn out to be a professional musician or psychic. That happened a musician, because I didn't want to work in an office as an engineer in a slide rule. I wanted to go have fun, travel, meet girls, travel the world. I know I'd never get rich and famous, but certainly better than sitting in an office with a slide rule that scared me as an engineer, that scared the hell out of me, because I know how intense I can get into things, and if that's what I was in, I'd never leave the slide rule in my office. I know that I can get that intense, so I went the other extreme, you know, cast my faith to the wind. Thank you universe for letting me know it'd be okay,

Jannecke Øinæs 53:37

and we talked a little bit about it. But what is self love to you,

Gary Wimmer 53:42

self love is extremely important. I bring that out to people more and more and more because, you know, we all got pimples and made mistakes and, you know, got Bo and have certain regrets and so forth. But welcome to being human, you know, and believe me, self love is important. It's not selfish. It's It's smart. When you love yourself despite or in spite of things that aren't perfect, you're doing what the universe gave you the opportunity to do. Love yourself and other people. It's empowering. You love yourself, you'll do better than if you hate yourself and are angry and frustrated, you're just going to make more mistakes. Did I try to drive a car blindfold if you're going to hit people? Do you want to see the truth? Take off the blindfold. Look. Try different things if you get the same results tomorrow doing the same thing. Ta, da, guess what? That's how it works. Change something, and we can always change the way we look at ourselves and life, the past, the future, right here, right now, because it's all on the inside and when we. Love ourselves. It's like putting WD 40 on rusty railroad tracks or whatever. You know, it's like blueberry it's like doing the right thing. So, yeah, a lot of people are going through fear and doubt and so forth, and that's part of being in life. But hear these words, love yourself. Love yourself. It's selfish to not do it, because we all go through learning curves, but if we didn't, boy, we'd be dumber than this bookshelf

Jannecke Øinæs 55:33

and Gary. What is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective?

Gary Wimmer 55:40

It changes, of course, depending on what phase we're going through. And I was going through puberty. Like most guys, you're just getting laid later in college. It's make good grades and get out later. It was, you know, stay out of the military and the and the warring function and playing music. So the things we decide to do, get to do, want to do, can change throughout our lives, but we can be proactive about it. We're not stuck in a rut unless we believe so okay, I'm stuck with my crappy voice my whole life. I never was a good singer, but I learned to talk and be a good entertainer and play piano and be a soloist. And that mean, boy, I didn't think that was even possible in 77 when I was going through so much depression, trying to make a living playing music. 10 years later, I taught myself piano and became a solo. Screw it. Crappy voice and all I can make people laugh. It's what you can do. Everybody's different. Everybody's unique. Everybody thinks they're maybe not heard as much as they'd like. The Universe hears it all our guides here at all, but we don't get everything we want. But maybe if you go out for the Olympics five times and don't get it, you'll come to the conclusion, oh, okay, that ain't my gag. Learn and grow, and the more we ask and participate, the more life can but our guides simply will not plow through our free will. They'll help us. They'll tap us on the shoulder, they'll hint. But we gotta heed the call. We gotta answer the phone. We gotta choose to benefit.

Jannecke Øinæs 57:31

Thank you so much for coming to the show today. And if people want to connect with you or work with you, how can they do so?

Gary Wimmer 57:39

Excuse me? Um, couple different ways you can go to lithomancy.com L, I, T, H, O, M, A, N, C, Y.com, that that goes to my website, which is Gary wimer.com you can go to Gary wimer.com G, A R, Y, W, I, M, M, E, R.com, you can go to limancy.com you can email me if you'd like a reading. I get pretty booked up sometimes, so usually there's a two or three week wait, but email me at GW, @ G, A, R, Y, W, I, M, M, E, R.com, G, W, Gary wimmer.com and yeah, sometimes there's a two or three week.

Gary Wimmer 58:24

But I try to help people, because Paul, I've asked the universe to help me, and it's 77 ain't a whole lot more I can do. I can't walk too Well, damn sure. Can't sing anymore. I'm not lugging around heavy gear to play music, thank you, God, but I do like to help people, but I am 77 I only have so much time and energy. So if you want to get in touch with me, that's how to do it. Lithium lancy.com GW, Gary Wimmer com, uh, email me with your phone number and information, and I'll probably get back with you fairly soon and try to set up a time and a place a lot of time I do them over the phone.

Jannecke Øinæs 59:06

Gary thank you so much for coming to the show and sharing your story. It was highly interesting and mind blowing, and gave us more perspectives about what this universe is all about.

Gary Wimmer 59:18

My pleasure, my honor and Thank you, my dear.