Consciousness pervades all aspects of existence

Terje Toftenes 0:00

1000s upon 1000s upon 1000s of sightings, and reports of people being abducted and people meeting these different beings, some people say that there are at least 70, or 80 or 100 different beings that contact us on a regular basis, the American authorities have in their position, many UFOs that have crashed or been left behind on earth, and that they have for many, many years been back engineering these craft try to figure out what type of, of propulsion systems they have, what type of materials they're made of what type of technology and this and that

Jannecke Øinæs 0:46

Hello, Terje, a warm welcome to the show.

Terje Toftenes 0:49

Thank you so much. I'm very honored to be here.

Jannecke Øinæs 0:52

So nice to have you visiting me here in Oslo, and we have collaborated before you are a filmmaker and author, you are a speaker. And you have now a talk that you traveling around the country with the Norway, where you speak about the new paradigms that are emerging, you also have your own podcast, and you're very passionate about this, that we have to replace the old paradigm, this old martyr, materialistic paradigm with a new paradigm. But my first question to you is, why are you so passionate about sharing these ideas about you know, the deeper reality or the nature of reality that might be different from what we learned in school?

Terje Toftenes 1:41

Well, first of all, I have to say that I've I've always been very curious. From my youngest days, I've been asking questions all the time. And also very many of these typical existential questions like, why are we here? What happens when we die? Why his life like it is and all that. But so I have been in my adult life, I have been doing a lot of research on my own, to try to find answers to these questions, which has, among many things resulted in in a handful of documentaries that we have produced over the last 15 years, trying to find answers. And one of the documentaries is the one called the creative play of consciousness, where we were trying to explore the phenomenon of consciousness. And also, we've been into into huge topics, touching into the field of UFO and extraterrestrial life and all that. And many of these documentaries have also been award winning documentaries, also in the United States. But anyway, I feel that we are living in a paradigm that is still mainly materialistic, in the way of Newing of viewing the nature of reality. And this is due to our science that has the science that has developed over the past three 400 years from Newton and Galileo and many of the different scientists, also the quantum physicists that appeared around year 1900 1920, like Einstein, Bohr, Heisenberg, boom, shirting is Planck, etc, etc. Of course, they they were asking questions, they were kind of challenging this materialistic view that the nature and our existence was basically materialistic. But they didn't find the answers then. But now 100 years later, there are new physicists with new approaches, based on many of the ideas from those physicists 100 years ago, that have dig even deeper and that are now finding that the world is quite different on the in its basics, and then what it seems like when we perceive it with our five senses, so I feel that if we ever are going to get out of this trauma or these this traumatic situation, which still governs the world, I mean, we have wars, we have political differences. We have the Very many, I mean, competition on so many levels that has given us a from a materialistic view, very many benefits, all these this competition. But on the other side, it has all of also left us with a lot of drama with a lot of very troublesome effects. So, and this is because mainstream science has told us over the past 100, a couple of 100 years, that the meaning of life is, or life itself actually is just based on on coincidences. I mean, it's if you go back to Darwin's theory, which says that life has developed by pure coincidence, and that the best result of a random process was able to survive. In competition with other species, then, life has developed very slowly with mutation by mutation. And that idea has created a feeling that the reason why we are here is basically to survive as for as long as you can, to be able to, to make new babies, to put it that way. So, I mean, life is just a continuous struggle, to eat, and to survive, and to reproduce. And on that ride, you can try to gather as much materialistic things as possible to keep you happy and to keep you comfortable. But the meaning is not more than that. And as long as we believe that still believe that, then we will also keep fighting for to try to support ourselves and our own families and, and don't care too much about other people. I mean, that's why we conquer for almost everything, you know, even for land, as we see now in Europe.

Jannecke Øinæs 7:34

Yeah, that makes sense that we have to actually update our beliefs. Otherwise, we'll just continue. where we're going. So where are we going?

Terje Toftenes 7:42

Yeah, so. So that's my passion, is to try to convey the message that life has a much deeper meaning. And this deeper meaning comes to the surface when you start taking consciousness into the equations. Because consciousness so far, is something that everyone knows that we have, I mean, we can see it, not only in our own skull, or in our own minds, or in our own hearts, but we can see it everywhere in nature, I mean, every tiny, tiny piece of living organism, even if it is a singular cell, or organism has consciousness, and self consciousness, trees have consciousness. fungie has conflict, consciousness, everything is a system based on Consciousness. But still consciousness is the biggest problem in science is that the hard problem or problem in science, and science don't want to go down that road, because consciousness is extremely difficult to study with our scientific method methods and our scientific tools. So sciences just kind of decided that we'll, we'll leave consciousness to the church, or to organize religion, they can take care of the spiritual side of the human being, we will concentrate of the physical on the physical life and, and that has, over time, made us more and more orientated around the materialistic side of our, the fantastic raishin that we're living in. And I feel that time has come now to move to the next level, which is a more holistic, holistic approach to how we regard life as such.

Jannecke Øinæs 9:37

So in your talks, you're actually going through five different topics or areas that you have investigated throughout your life, basically, and now traveling around talking about that would love to go dive into each and one of them. So what is the first one? Well,

Terje Toftenes 9:53

first of all, I have to say that I see and it's not only me, I mean, there's been written books about this. I A lot of researchers, or scientists are also on the same track. But there are so many anomalies that are challenging our materialistic paradigm. And I've just picked out five of them. I mean, there are hundreds. But I picked up some of them. And one of them is, of course, the evolution theory, which says that life is based on random coincidences that it's based on on random mutations. That's how life has developed. That's how the species have developed, developed. And but this thing is that what we see now with science on the more molecular level, and especially within biology, and microbiology is that life, all life forms are based on extremely complicated, intricate systems. So there's every cell is controlled and operated by extremely complex systems. So your body is full of billions of billions of conscious parts that talk with it with each other, and that managed to fine tune the whole larger system to a point where it actually functions and is able to maintain itself. So it's extremely complex, they are extremely complex these systems. And according to Darwin, these systems have developed just by chance or coincidence, over time, because he says, Okay, if we have like, we know that multicellular multicellular life has existed on the planet for, let's say, 1.5 billion years, then he says, there's enough time to develop things from a single cell or bacteria to a human being, which is an enormous span of systemic development. But the new science says that these systems are so complicated that you cannot develop the systems without developing all the parts at the same time. Because if you pick take away one part of a multiverse, perpetual system, then the system collapses. So according to Darwinism, these systems have developed part by part over time, but that's impossible, you can develop a something as complicated as an air part by part, all the parts have to be there simultaneously for it to function. So that is a big challenge to the Darwinism the Darwinistic view because it doesn't include the intent on developing something. So, there has to be an architect, there has to be an architectural plan for developing systems and that is not that is not taken into consideration in the Darwinistic view. But obviously, when you study nature on the, on the macro, or excuse me, macro level, micro level, you see that there has to be a plan, there has to be some kind of plan behind it or idea or architecture behind it. And that requires consciousness and intelligence. So that's one thing that that that's an anomaly that is challenging this materialistic view. The next thing I would say is Paris, paranormal phenomena, para psychology, because we know now from science, like, for example, in the Institute of Noetic Sciences in the United States, which were founded by the former astronaut, Edgar Meet Edgar Mitchell back in the late 70s. They have for 4050 years been studying different types of consciousness consciousness related systems. And what they have proved beyond all doubt is that telepathy is a natural, occurring phenomena within the human construction minds can read minds, even overlap long distances, even through thick walls, etc, I

Jannecke Øinæs 15:07

just have to mention that I think humans have experienced that, you know, that we actually experienced that all of us that it's real, but it's good to hear that it's actually have been researched and approved.

Terje Toftenes 15:21

And I have, on several occasions talked with Dean Raiden, who is been kind of the leading researcher at this institute. And he says, we have all the data, we have all the proof, we have the science that can prove that telepathy is actually a natural, occur, occur occurring phenomena. The problem is that mainstream science, they have closed the door to it, they will, even if we put all the proof on the table, they won't listen. So that's a challenge because it challenges the existing paradigm, which again, of course, has a lot of implications with all the professors and all the scientists and all the systems that are built around that. And it's all about money. And it's all about money. It's all about careers, it's all about prestige, it's all about position. It's all about a lot of stuff, politics, you know, whatever.

Jannecke Øinæs 16:23

But still, I'm thinking if enough people are speaking about this, it will shift at one point, like if the weight becomes too unbalanced, there's so many people are interested in this, it has to

Terje Toftenes 16:35

yeah, that's, that's how the big revolutions have occurred during history, that when the masses get together and make a movement to try to change something, then change can happen. But you have it has to start with the masses. It does, it never starts from the top it starts always starts from the bottom. So how can we do that? Well, we have to do it. We have to use a tool that people are confident with, or how have believing and that science. And that's what what's happening now is like I said, a science can prove that telepathy is a natural occurring phenomena, science can prove that mind over matter, also is a natural occurring phenomenon. Science can prove that remote viewing is a natural occurring phenomena. It's it's been used in in intelligence in the military to spy on well on other nations using remote viewing. So it's accepted on that level. But still, mainstream science won't touch it, you know. So that has to change, though that's and there's a lot of these type of paranormal phenomena, ESP, you know, clear sight clairvoyance and stuff like that. And even your intuition, your feeling that something is happening or that something somebody's going to knock on your door, or that your mother is going to call you. I mean, there have also been made studies on that types of phenomena, which are commonly occurring among people. But you know, so that's challenging the materialistic view that the world is based basically just physical. And then you have this anomaly called Near Death Experiences. Where people have a cardiac arrest at the operation table or in a car crash or whatever. And they have the experience of going out of their body floating up beneath the ceiling, looking down at the doctors and nurses trying to put you back to the your body back to life and what the you can hear what they're saying you can name the other doctors coming from other places to or coming into the room and trying to help out with the situation. And that's also been studied. There's a lot of different people who have been studying it like Pim Van Lommel in in the Netherlands, like Raymond Moody, like

Jannecke Øinæs 19:37

ions in the US also with an organization where they were a lot of people with MDS are coming together sharing their stories,

Terje Toftenes 19:46

the same Institute's yes and Sam Parnia is one of the main researchers. So, these phenomena occur in in like 20% of cases. cases where people have cardiac arrest or are totally brain damaged.

Jannecke Øinæs 20:04

And that's a lot. That's when it presents a lot. And

Terje Toftenes 20:07

we also have people like Anita Moorjani, who has written books about this, we have people like even Alexander, the neurosurgeon who also had that type of experience.

Jannecke Øinæs 20:20

And I've interviewed them both. And I think I've interviewed Around 20 people now having near death experiences on the channel,

Terje Toftenes 20:26

this is very, very common, which tells us that there is another dimension, at least another dimension where we were our consciousness or our soul travels after the death of the physical body. And this is becoming very commonly known. And it's changing our view on death, and it's changing our view on the whole world existence of our consciousness. So that's, that's an anomaly anomaly, challenging the materialistic view. And, of course, we have the UFO phenomenon,

Jannecke Øinæs 21:04

which you are very passionate about, and myself was well, and I just have to mention, it was so funny, because we did in which an interview, and I feel like my English speaking audience is a bit more open minded. And in Norway, we're bit more hesitant to speak about it. And we agreed not to speak about it. And we ended up speaking half half of the interview, we spoke about a UFO, so but I think it's just something in our subconsciousness that we need to we don't want to hold back. You know, we want to speak about what we're passionate about. So you've even made a film about this today. But before disclosure,

Terje Toftenes 21:39

yes, we did have quite thorough investigation back in in around 2008, nine and 10 and ended up with a film called The day before disclosure, which is actually won a lot of international awards, and still is on the nets and can be seen from our website, new paradigm.no. But anyway, I've been interested in UFOs all my life. My father was interested in UFOs I found books. In my at home when I was around 10 years old. The first one in the book of George Adamski, you have also have landed, it really kicked me or triggered my fantasies and my, my interests, I was very intrigued, and I've been ever since, which then ended in in doing this film where we interviewed like 50 or 60 people around the globe who had were either researchers into the UFO field or who were experiences who had different types of experiences with UFO sightings or even being abducted by UFOs. I mean, it's, it's a universe of information. And

Jannecke Øinæs 23:03

what was the red thread? What did you find? What was your conclusion after doing 5060 interviews about this?

Terje Toftenes 23:10

Well, my conclusion was that this is absolutely a real phenomenon. I still can't say who they are, where they come from, what their agenda is, are they benevolent or they malevolent?

Jannecke Øinæs 23:28

Or we might be several,

Terje Toftenes 23:30

there might be several, but I mean, according to people that that I trust that I've because, I mean, I have to say in I took when I talked to Edgar Mitchell, the NASA astronaut and told him that I was making a film on UFOs, the global UFO situation, he said, Good luck. It's a very interesting topic. I've been very interested in myself all my life, but you have to keep one thing in mind. You are stepping into a minefield, that's what he says. And I said okay, but I'll try anyway. But, uh, during the ON THE going down the rabbit hole going down the rabbit hole, I really discovered that it was a minefield. So some of the interviews that we did we have just we have just put them or had to archive it. Were on the hard disk forever on the hard disk. Because there are many people who are wannabes. Because if you say that you have been abducted by UFOs you get a lot of attraction especial. You be you get invited to conferences, you can join podcasts, you get a lot of fan mail, etc. Suddenly, you're an interesting person. And many people find that kind of attractive, you know, so it's very easy to fabulous to read some UFO stuff and then make your own story and, you know, become very attractive To people who want to listen. So there are some of them. But I would say, most people that we were in touch with, especially within the topic of UFO abductions, they were, in the first place, very reluctant to say anything at all. Because these things has had been so traumatic for them in their lives, that they really did not want to talk about it. And just to come out in, in, into, or talking to media would put them in a situation that they were not very comfortable with. And like when I talked to, to Robert. Come on. One of the big researchers, I've talked to Bob, but Hopkins, and David Jacobs, that's guy, David Jacobs, has done a lot, a lot of research and hypnosis on people who, who have had these experiences. And he says that I am a professor at the University in Philadelphia, Temple University via Philadelphia, and I have even done a class, I'm the only person that I know, that had actually had done a class on the UFO topic at the university. So it was a very popular class, but my peers or my the administration at the university, they really didn't like it. So here I am doing research on a topic, where my leaders at my workplace don't like it, I can't talk to the neighbors about it. My wife doesn't like it, she can talk to her friends about it, my kids can talk to their schoolmates about it. But still, their father is obsessed with us with this. So and that's some that's kind of the situation within within the UFO field, people who see things that are out of this world are very afraid of telling it because they will will be laughed at and or looked at is do they have a diagnosis, or they're lunatics, you know, so this has kind of kept a lid over the whole of the whole situation for a very long time. But now, things are starting to happen. Because there are, of course, over the especially after the Second World War, there has been a lot of 1000s upon 1000s upon 1000s of sightings, and reports of people being abducted and people meeting these different beings. Some people say that there are at least 70 or 80 or 100 different beings that contact us on a regular basis. Of course, they have technology, maybe they are like some 1000s, or even billion or million years ahead of us in technology. So they can Demet de materialize, they can just pop into our reality as like out of nowhere, they can do stuff and they can vanish like into become invisible and just like that. And and the thing is that because it has been so difficult to study this phenomenon, and to find out actually what it is there has been a kept a lid on it also from the different authorities around the world. Because as far as as long as we don't know what it is we don't know where they come from without don't know how, what type of agendas, etc. It's very difficult for some political for some president or authority to to come forward to the public and say, we know that we are visited, but we don't know what it is our military can't do anything about it. And but just as you know, just to tell you there's something going on, but we don't know if it's dangerous or not. But anyway, it was I think it was last year that there was a congress hearing in the United States where both the American Pentagon, the American NASA and the Congress, they made a claim that UFOs or they call it UAPs unknown identified aerial phenomena are that's it's a real phenomenon because it has been recorded by fighter jet fighter pilots. It's on radar on film, visual sightings. And now we cannot keep this closed or in secret anymore. whistleblowers have come forth pilots have come forth, we have to accept that this is a reality that we have to investigate because it might be some type of threat, we don't know. So they actually concluded that it is a real phenomenon. And what has happened now just a couple of weeks ago, is that one of the main researchers into this field from the American authorities has come forth. I think his name is David. David crush Grunch or not Grinch, but grush or something. I can't remember it. He has confirmed that the American authorities have in their possession. Many UFOs crafts any extra terrestrial or interdimensional crafts that have crashed or been left behind on earth, and that they have for many, many years been back engineering these craft tried to figure out what type of, of propulsion systems they have, what type of materials they're made of what type of technology and this and that. And, of course,

Jannecke Øinæs 31:27

it might be possible that we're using alien technology already. Without knowing it.

Terje Toftenes 31:34

Yeah, well, you know, this famous question Rossville in July 1947, where they allegedly managed to capture a downed craft. And what the story says is that the craft when they removed it from the crash sites, and of course, they said it was a weather balloon, the military version, but there was people who saw it before the military came there. And that's why the Roswell newspaper had a big front page saying that a flying saucer has crashed in Roswell in Roswell, New Mexico, the day after they said it all it was a weather balloon. But anyway, that's a long story for itself. But anyway, after that crash, people who have come forth or forward, we're a part of the crash retrieval. People say that parts of this UFO were sent to different laboratories in the US to try to find out what type of materials it was made of the laboratories himself didn't know that it came from a UFO, they just got a piece of material and said find out what this is. Well, the strange thing was that three months later, the Bell Laboratories managed to produce the first transistor, they had been working with the idea of making a transistor for a long time, but they did hadn't find the right combination of rare materials. But three months after they received this material from that UFO, suddenly the first transistor repaired, and also things like fiber optics, is also said to be a technology that comes from one of these UFOs and other a lot of other and also the propulsion systems, which they believe are based on the ability to control gravity, have, of course, also been back engineered. And there is a saying that this proposal and technique or the ability to control gravity has been well known within the Inner Inner inner circles in the American military system for or for a very long time. But the this knowledge itself is so explosive. I mean, it's way beyond the atomic bomb when you if you use these types of forces. So we humans are not have not developed socially or intellectually, to a point where we actually are able to use this type of technology without damaging ourselves. I mean, as long as I just read in the paper today, about Microsoft's the biggest computer producer in the world, have their systems have just now been hacked by someone who they don't know it. So there are people out there all the time, who want to had to destroy things who have bad intentions. And if they got their hands on this type of technology, it would be devastating. So that's one of the reasons why it's kept a lid on to my belief. But there are, of course, many, many, many, many other reasons as well. But the point is that the fact that we are visited by someone from other star systems or galaxies, or even from other types of dimensions, the facts, what that tells us is that our view on our limited view on reality has to open up to a much brighter perspective, because these things are real. We have to accept that and we cannot just kind of stick our heads into the sand anymore. All right, so

Jannecke Øinæs 35:59

that was the UFO phenomenon. And we also see, you know, in the Canadian government, there were some ministers coming out talking about it. So things are really happening. So maybe, yeah, you will, right, disclosure is coming very soon. But over to the next, the anomaly.

Terje Toftenes 36:19

Well, as I said, there are many, many anomalies. But, of course, one of the main things is the quantum world that what we have discovered there now, and there are new physicists, like Nassim Haramein, for instance, who have this claim that on the basis of everything, we see that the world is constructed of the two main components, which are energy, combined with information. So on the plank level, which is the smallest level possible, according to physics of our physical world, there is there are these fluctuations, these energy fluctuations, which are enormous amounts of energy. And these fluctuations are sometimes organized by some type of information, to build a what we call subatomic particles, like quarks and other types of subatomic particles, which again, make up the inside of the atomic new nucleus like protons, protons, and new and neutrons, and then the which build the atom, which again, builds the molecule, which again, builds all the stuff that the world is made of. So, but at this basis, there is energy. And as I said, enormous amounts of energy and whatnot, like NASA and Harriman says that, in just one cubic centimeter of us have a vacuum, or, or fabric of space time, there's enough energy to to feed or the world for 1000s of years. So the question is, what is this energy? Where does it come from? And what is this information? Or what are these information systems that organize these energies to build the material world? And what Harmon says is, we can say that energy plus information equals consciousness. And that's very in accordance to like Old English, Vedic wisdom traditions, which say that consciousness is the basis for everything. So everything arises from consciousness. And this is confirmed by more and more physicists today that we have to take consciousness into the equations to understand the underlying basis of our reality. And that actually opens a whole new view into how the nature of reality is constructed. And it also, I mean, all these other anomalies and all these paranormal phenomena are much, much easier to explain, when you regarded in this view that consciousness is the basis consciousness is not as Darwin's as a end product of evolution. Consciousness is the basis and evolution is a product of consciousness, so that we had it all wrong. We had it all wrong. So I mean, I could go further into that. But the point is, that I mentioned some of these anomalies. I could mention 10 more, but this talk is not going to last to tomorrow. So what I'm saying is that we have to change our worldview, we have to end the paradigm saying that the world is basically met materialistic, we have to take the next step into a more holistic approach. Because when we, when we accept that consciousness is one of the most basic things in the nature of reality, we, this also implies that everything is connected. And it implies that every human being is part of this consciousness, that every living thing is part of this consciousness, there is nothing else, but this consciousness, nothing is outside it. So you are actually just another version of me because you are a singularity. In this consciousness, I am a singularity in this consciousness, because this consciousness evolves all the time. And it needs both our big objects and subjects to make this creative play. And I think it was Deepak Chopra, the famous Indian philosopher and physician, who said, because we were interviewing him for our film, and I said, What is it that creates the, the, what is it that lies behind? This creation in, in consciousness, he said, It's the creative play in consciousness, just like air is inherent, excuse me, just like wind is inherent in air. Creativity is inherent in consciousness. And that's why we sit here as creative results of, or results of an extremely creative consciousness, which is playing with all the marbles, or all the different particles in this fantastic world. And our, the meaning with our lives is to just play our parts, as well as we can, based on our own potentials and our own needs and our own wishes. We have our free choice, but we play our lives we make we, you know, we create these dramas we create these enormous, there's an enormous, enormous theatre that we are an or an enormous playground. So

Jannecke Øinæs 42:48

like Shakespeare spoke about, yeah, so he's a play.

Terje Toftenes 42:52

Yeah, it's all a play. And it's, you can say it's a simulation, maybe, maybe we are just a kind of an interface for this type of, for this consciousness, that the human body is an interface. Donald Hoffman talks about that. Tom Campbell, which is another YouTuber says that our bodies are an avatar. The whole reality is just a simulation, like a data simulation. And it makes sense. Because if we are here to explore and to develop consciousness, through all the experience that we gather, then it makes sense to me. So maybe that's the way it works.

Jannecke Øinæs 43:36

tidier? What is happiness to you?

Terje Toftenes 43:40

happiness to me is to feel that I am a part of a living system that has a purpose that has a meaning that has a drive, and that has the ability to give me wonderful sensations of love and wholeness. I don't I mean, happiness is extremely difficult to explain with words, but it's the feeling inside that what you are and what you're doing has meaning.

Jannecke Øinæs 44:14

And what is self love to you?

Terje Toftenes 44:17

Self love is to accept yourself as you are. To say that okay, I'm I am this part of the riebeek consciousness. I'm a singularity called tidier. And I'm going to play my part as best as I can. So I have to love myself. I won't waste my time staring in the mirror and say, I should have been this. I should have done that. I should have not done that. What I'm doing is what I'm doing. The choices I make are based on the information I have in that moment. And whatever I do, I try to be kind. I try to be Take care of my family, I try to be a nice person, but I love the the opportunity that I have been given to have a experience on this planet in the human body, which I think is extremely, extremely interesting, can be fun, can be terrible, can be miserable. It can be devastating. But anyhow, it's extremely intriguing. Extremely interesting.

Jannecke Øinæs 45:32

And last question for today, the idea of what is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective?

Terje Toftenes 45:39

Well, the deeper meaning of life for me is to conduct my life in accordance to my own intentions, based on my own potentials, and to explore life as best as I can. On the way I will try to be kind to other people, I will try to care about what those who are around me and people I meet, because I think kindness and and being a loving person, is the easiest way to also be a happy person. So the meaning of life is to explore you. I've been given a chance in this life to explore almost everything, everything I want. And as far as I can do that and have fun on the way and be a loving person. I think that's that's the best thing to do.

Jannecke Øinæs 46:37

Thank you so much for coming on to the show today and all the best with your talk in Norway on your podcast.

Terje Toftenes 46:44

Thank you so much.

Jannecke Øinæs 46:45

Thank you for watching everybody much light from Norway. Bye bye

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