The Dominance Theory and Healing the “Alien on Earth” Feeling! With Margot McKinnon

Margot McKinnon 0:00

I was eight years old, playing in my living room, and I heard; die, breast cancer, 36 Oh, you'll miss your mom. And I was crying, thinking I was going to die of breast cancer at 36. My mom passed when I was 36 of breast cancer, I had to learn, is that a human being, or is that a spirit being? They looked real to me. The voice actually showed itself to me. It was huge, like I lived in a one level house. Its head should have gone right out the roof, but my mum came back and also told me what judgment day is. She said, I need to talk to you about judgment day. It's not what we were taught. It's not like God judges you. And says, Oh, you get to go here and you get to go here.

Jannecke Øinæs 0:59

Dr Margot McKinnon, a warm welcome to the Wisdom From North show.

Speaker 1 1:04

Well, it's such a privilege to be here. Jannecke, it's nice to see you again.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:09

It's nice to connect again with you. I'm excited for this conversation. You are an Oxford educated scholar. You're an author of two books, a visionary. You're a teacher, which is your passion, and we'll understand more about that later on in the episode, you also have received or downloaded, I would say, the five dimensions of the self, which has helped 1000s of people around the globe, and we'll dive into that as well later on. However, before we start, how do you feel, Margit, that our conversation today will expand people's consciousness.

Margot McKinnon 1:47

Well, I think about the human spirit, and when we think about the spirit, it's the part of us that came from unconditional love and will go back into unconditional love. And the way I see it is some people's spirit is still trying to get used to being human, because being human is a very, very complicated thing to do, and so some people have a harder time being human than others, and they may feel like a stranger Here on Earth. But when I was downloaded this the dominance theory, which we're going to talk about today, I realized, Oh, I get it. Now. I'm struggling with being human, and I need to learn some new skills. So because my spirit tended to feel like a stranger, an alien here on Earth, I was of this world, but I didn't really belong here, and sometimes I just want it to go home. Now back to that unconditional love. So it was in knowing that I can make my home here and it that really increased my consciousness.

Jannecke Øinæs 2:58

It's such a powerful story you have, and you've also helped so many students also embrace this experience of being here, even though they have felt that I'm an alien on Earth. And I think so many people can identify with that feeling. And I think you've also said that that you're here for a specific purpose, not just, you know, teaching in an ordinary way, but actually teaching a larger message. And I would love to go back to your childhood, because that's when this sensational. Why am I here started? So could you share your story?

Margot McKinnon 3:37

Yes, of course, I was a little kid who could see spirits, I heard voices. I had a different kind of consciousness than my family members. Mind you, there seems to be one each generation. There's somebody in the generation that has it. It happens to be me. So when I was a little girl, I was four years old, and I came up out of our basement to put my little doll, Michael to bed, because I was just born little mother, you know, and I had my dolls, and I had little crib and everything, and I put him into the crib, and I was pulling up his blanket to tuck him in for the night. And it was dark in the living room, and I heard this voice say, you are to be a teacher. And I stopped, because this was a very normal thing for me. It wasn't, Oh, who's that voice? What's happening to me right now? It was okay, I will. And I was always talking to that voice and saying, Well, how long do I have to stay here? Like, how long do I have to keep doing this breathe, and I'd feel my chest and my body was so heavy, so there wasn't anything wrong in. My life, I had lovely family. It's just that I had this sense of wanting to go home and reconnecting with unconditional love. I think I got my purpose early in my life, to keep me here so that when you have a profound purpose, then you can then there's a reason for being here. So I really, I really help people find their sole purpose, so that they can find greater meaning and significance. But I will add that voice sometimes goes away, and I started tracking, what do I do to keep it here, and speaking to me every day, in every decision, and what am I doing that pushes it away? And I started to experiment with what I'm doing. What do I do to get the voice to come close and speak to me, and what do I do that pushes it away, and I realized that there are certain conditions that I put myself in when the voice goes away. So for example, when I was at Oxford doing my PhD, it's a very rigorous academic scholarly endeavor, and it went away and it actually said to me, Marco, you can't i You can't access me now, because you can't use what I have to say. You can't put in your thesis. I've always told you this. They won't believe you. So I'm going to go away and I'm going to leave you to finish off your thesis. I'm going to go away and speak to people who can actually listen and do something about what I say to them. So I'm going away. And I was very lonely, like that whole period, because I wasn't really used to it being gone for that long. And then I my thesis was very difficult, because where I was studying it, they thought it was religion. I wanted to I did my thesis on, if we were going to bring spirituality into public education, what would that look like? Well, they entered my supervisor anyway, thought that spirituality was religion. And I said, No, it's there are two different things. You know, religion is an organized tradition, and spirituality is much more of an individual lifelong learning process. Well, he didn't get that. So it was always a push pull, trying to get this through. And at one point I said, You know what? I think I just need to come back to home, which is Calgary, Alberta, Canada, and finish it off here, but when I got back here, I was still lonesome for that voice, and I said, Well, what do you want me to do? If you want me to finish this thesis, then you're going to have to give me a sign in the next 15 minutes, because it had already given me the dominance theory. I'd already written one book, and I thought I could just carry on with that book and then not worry about being a PhD. I wanted the PhD because I wanted to bring credibility to the whole spirituality. So, you know, when people think, oh, it's all whoa, whoa. And and I thought, well, it's not woo, woo. There's a it's, it's a very, very important part of people's lives. And in my world as an educator, a PhD means something. Didn't mean anything particularly to me, but it means something in the in the field of education. Anyway, I came back and I said to the voice, you'll have to give me a sign in 15 minutes. So I went for a walk for 15 minutes, and I came back home, and I opened up my email, and there was a message from an email from a woman in Lebanon, and she said, Have you published your thesis? Yet you're so lucky you live in Canada because you can explore spirituality freely. We can't, because it's associated with religion. And I said, we're not so free here. We're in the same boat. And so she was very surprised by that, but I I felt, oh man, the voice is back. It's starting to guide me again, and I had to create the conditions for it to come in even more profoundly by really listening, acting on what what this voice tells me to do. So yes, I finished my thesis, pulled it off, graduated.

Jannecke Øinæs 9:33

We're going to circle back a bit to your childhood, because there's so many clues there. I feel like to your life mission today. But still, I need to hear more about this voice. How does it sound like it sounded like a masculine voice when you were sort of imitating it. Who do you think it is? And how do you hear it?

Margot McKinnon 9:53

Here I hear it really like this deep, deep voice. I do have other little ones that speak in. A very high pitched voice like this, voices like this, and they kind of talk to me, maybe not always, but sometimes about, you know, the people, some of my clients, or, for example, one night I was going to bed, and I have an ensuite in my room, and it said, You need to check your door handles. Check my door handles. I said, Well, it's 1030 at night. I'm going to bed when I woke up. And I always closed the door, the ensuite door, and when I woke up in the morning, it was completely fused shut, and I had a meeting I had to be at. That's where all my makeup and shower and everything I had to hammer the doorknob off. So the little voice will come in and tell me, like watching for this, do this, but the deep voice is like a profound one for the universe. Like this is what you need to work on, what humans need to work on. And I was always afraid to actually think maybe it was God, universe, creator, whatever word people use to describe that force. And I was presenting in Canterbury in England at a spirituality and children's conference. And this Anglican minister. He heard my story, and he said, Marco, why don't you think it's God? And I said, Because I'm little Margo McKinnon from Calgary, Alberta, Canada. That's why. And he said, but the way you speak, the way when you say, what that voice tells you that sounds like God to me. He said, I would like you know, I would recommend you consider it as God. I'm okay with that.

Jannecke Øinæs 11:47

Now, do you hear it outside of yourself in a way, as a separate voice than yourself, or does can it feel like a thought in your mind?

Margot McKinnon 12:00

I think the thoughts in my mind are, I also get those where it's just like moments of inspiration. I don't I think that's a whole. That's another realm. So this deep voice for it. Here's another example. I was eight years old playing in my living room, and I heard die breast cancer 36 Oh, you'll miss your mom. And I was crying, thinking I was going to die of breast cancer at 36 and my dad came in from work and he said, Why are you crying? Nice crying because I'm going to die have breast cancer when I'm 36 he said, You're too little to think about things like that. And but my mom passed when I was 36 of breast cancer. So as a child, I didn't always know what the messages meant. And it's only since I started tracking it, and I keep a journal yannica, so I can write down what it says and I can go back. I've been keeping them since I was 35 and I keep and I buy a new one on my birthday, which is March the sixth, and I document my visions, what the voice is telling me, and I can go back and say, Oh, it told me that when I was 40. And now, look, it's all happening. I'll put my dreams in there, because I think our messages can come in dreams, moments of inspiration, sometimes, like a podcast like yours, will come on and it will it will be the message that a person needs. So I think the universe works in many different ways.

Jannecke Øinæs 13:47

Have you reflected about why do you think the voice gave you that information about your mom?

Margot McKinnon 13:56

Yes, I have worked very hard on that Jannecke, and I really don't have a lot of explanation, because it caused me a lot of grief. When my mom passed, you know, I thought, well, do we have a time in our life that that is the time I get I wonder about that. I My father passed away just in August of this year, and I flew to see him. He lives on the other side of the country, and I sat with him for four days in the active dying process. He was 95 and I learned a lot about the active dying process. It's actually made me reconsider how I want mine to be. But so I think, you know, I really don't know, and maybe I don't want to know when I'm going to die, because that would be like hearing the ending of a great novel or a movie, and I, I don't want to know it. Spoiler alert. You know,

Jannecke Øinæs 14:58

I'm sorry for your loss.

Margot McKinnon 15:01

Oh, thank you. I'm at at for you know, when it happened, I felt relieved because he was in a safe place now, hmm, but interesting. I thought it was interesting how it happened, actually, because I sat with him for four days and he didn't want to pass. He said, I'm going to miss you terribly, and he didn't want to go. So he was really kind of trying to hang on to being here and then, but his body was failing. And then he was a religious man, and so the he was in a retirement home, and so they sent in a priest, and the priest, two priests, and the priests were praying over him, and he came really awake and alive during the prayer, and they were praying and praying and praying over him. And after that, he was relaxed. And then, I don't know, some of your guests will, or your viewers will watch some of the YouTube videos where you can see people actively dying. My dad was here, and then he was looking up and he was laughing, and he was pointing, really trying to, trying to grab on to a hand like this. And I thought, Oh, it's coming now, and I said, Dad, you can go. You know, we love you so much. Just go, go into the light. So I don't always know why, and it's been a struggle why this voice tells me certain things, and especially if I can't do anything about it.

Jannecke Øinæs 16:36

Right. And you've also met your mother again on the other side. I'm not sure if your father believed in that story, if you shared it with him, but now he's probably with her. Now, could you share that story? Because you've actually had two near death experiences, and this is one of them,

Margot McKinnon 17:01

yes, but my mom came back and also told me what judgment day is. So I can also share that after she passed, she showed me what happens when you go to the next realm.

Jannecke Øinæs 17:13

Okay, let's go into it. Okay,

Margot McKinnon 17:18

I'm going to start with the near death experience first, and then I'll tell you what she what she came back to tell me I was doing a ceremony, which is a fasting ceremony in indigenous culture, which I don't really want to go into, but it's fasting. There are no drugs involved in quite it's the actual opposite, no food or water for four days anyway, on the third day, I had this experience where my body just fell over like this, and my spirit came out, and it went to the most beautiful white light of unconditional love, the white light of I could feel it on my face and infused into my body. I opened my mouth like this to let it come inside my body, and I felt light and airy and and then my mom came down, and my mom had this smile like big smile like this, and she her big smile came down, and she said, You can't come any farther than this. And I said, but I really love it here, because most of my life I had longed to go back there. And she said, You can't come up. You've got little children. You have to go back down. And my spirit came back into my body, and I kind of looked at my when I came to, I looked at my hands. I didn't know who I was. I didn't know I was a human being, and I and I sort of had I looked around and that I heard that voice, and it said, You are Margo McKinnon, a teacher. So it's the teacher that always anchors me into who I am as Margo McKinnon. And I realized that, sorry, I look out this window, because sometimes I see videos when I'm talking to people or clients, and I can I look out there. It's like a TV to me, and I'm watching it. So anyway, if you see me looking over there, that's what I'm doing. She so when I came back down, I thought, when you once you've experienced that most beautiful unconditional love, it's hard to be down here, because it's much more. It's rough, rough down here. It's unnecessarily cruel. When you know what that unconditional love feels like. And I thought, well, you know what? I'm going to create a much smaller life. Then I'm going to try and push away the roughness, and I'm going to create a smaller life that's filled with unconditional. Love, and I'm going to start with myself, my children in my home, make sure it's just a space of unconditional love my classroom, and I built it out like this. So that was one experience, and that links on to what that voice came and told me about the dominance theory, which we're going to talk about today as well. So the second one my mom had passed then for two years about and I was making Thanksgiving dinner, which in Canada is October, and I was making that and I had inherited one of her rings, and I put it on the countertop, and oh man, I couldn't find that ring after I was cleaning up after my pies, I couldn't find it, but my mom was standing in my kitchen, and I said, Mom, I can't talk to you right now because I've lost your ring, and I need to find it. She was standing there, and she said, Don't worry about it, it'll come back. And she said, I need to talk to you about judgment day. She said, it's not what we were taught. And I said, Well, what is it? And she said, when you go, when you go over to the other side, you come back, and you have to get inside all the people that were important to you and find out what it was like from their point of view, their consciousness, to have you in their life like I'm here to find out what kind of mother I was for you. And once I get all of that pulled together, then I'm going to go to your sister and your brother and your other sister, I have to go to your dad, my brother. So she had to go around and collect the pieces of who she was as a human being. And so she told me that and and she said, once you do that, you get and she said, you don't. It's not like God judges you. And says, Oh, you get to go here, and you get to go here. We all get to go into unconditional love. We judge ourselves, what kind of human being, and when I learned that, and as a classroom teacher, I used to say that to my students, because I taught high school English, and you know, the great, eternal stories of all time we're studying, and I would say, Well, what kind of human being Do you want to be? Spell that out, is that character in the story, the kind of human being you want to become? What would you take on or not? So we really took a lot of the spiritual principles and applied them to the text that we were studying. So I thought about that a lot, about what kind of human being, and I tried to reconcile if I had any issues with my kids or anything, because I want to do my judgment day now, and I want to become the finest human being Margo McKinnon can possibly be now,

Jannecke Øinæs 23:02

I get very curious how you experienced seeing your mother talking to you. I mean, she isn't in another realm. Did she appear physically to you and speaking, or was it telepathically that you understood the message

Margot McKinnon 23:20

As she was standing there, I could see her. And as a little kid, I used to see spirits like people. I had to learn, is that a human being, or is that a spirit being? They looked real to me like I remember being in my grandmother's house because she could see them too, because we there's always somebody in in the family, and it happens to be me. But I was running up her stairs. I was just a little kid running up her stairs, you know, the kind that go like this, and then like that. And I got to this little piece here, and there was a older lady coming down the stairs, and I moved to the side, Oh, hello. And then I go up, went up, and I said, Oh, Nana, I saw this lady in the house, and she said, oh, did she have her blue flower dress on? Yes, she did. Oh, she's always here, dear. So for me, it was a like I could see them as people. And actually my uncle, who passed away, captured and killed in World War Two. He was 21 years old. He haunts the armory in his hometown, and people actually see him there, and they point to his photo. They all point to the photo on the wall that is him.

Jannecke Øinæs 24:39

Do you think that's a part of the soul that is still lingering here. Because to me, it would make sense that it's not their full embodied soul being stuck here, but it's a an aspect of them, or like an end print of a. A part of their energy that is sort of lingering. What do you think?

Margot McKinnon 25:03

I think that we have a spirit that looks just like us, that that came in and it will go back. I think it is an entity. I think it's in our body, and it looks out our eyes, and it can be bigger than our actual body. As far as my uncle goes, when you think is he trapped here? He was actually in love with a nurse who was also a Canadian nurse, and she served overseas in the World War Two as well. And they were in love with each other. And he sent his friend out to get her a diamond ring when he was on leave, and he got the diamond ring and, but my uncle was killed and and when I was in Oxford, I was coming back for data collection, my dad said, are you coming back to Calgary anytime soon? I said, Yes, I am. And he said, The woman that your uncle loved and wanted to marry is in her 90s, and she's going into a senior's home. Could you go visit her? I said I'd love to. So I bought her a big bouquet of roses, and I came into her room, and she was very frail, but her mind was there. She told me their whole love story, and I said, my uncle would like you to have these and she burst into tears. Told me their love story. She never married, never had kids, came back from the war, stayed a nurse. She said, I loved your uncle, and she said, I never thought in all my life I would hold his flesh and blood ever again. And soon after I met her, she passed. I think my uncle was just waiting for her. Wow, I think he stayed at the armory because his dad was also a soldier my grandfather and that armory, the the room was named after my grandfather, so I think he felt comfortable to be there. And then I bet he was visiting her. I bet they and I never asked her, because I didn't know that my uncle was haunting the armory when I was visiting her, but I would have asked, Do you see him visiting you? I suspect that they carried on their relationship in spirit, and that's why she never married her, because she loved him. And sadly, I didn't have that ring nobody gave me, because the ring came back to the family and my dad said, Oh, I should have given you the diamond ring that your uncle bought for her dad. I could have showed her, given her the ring, and said My uncle had planned on marrying that she didn't know that, and I didn't know that when I met her. Our stories are profound, so I think my uncle's spirit was hanging around just to be with her and be with the people he loved and cared about and waiting for her. And I bet he doesn't haunt the army armory. Now I should phone and ask over with her, you know,

Jannecke Øinæs 28:18

yes, and on the other side, I mean, we don't know the feeling of time. Perhaps it's a split of a second. Who knows?

Margot McKinnon 28:25

Yes, exactly, but I think that comes in with the model that that voice gave to me, which we're going to talk about today. I talk about that you have five dimensions of self, and I want to get into it a little bit more fully, but I talk about people are body dominant, love the human experience, very physical, tangible. And I'm just doing this in a nutshell, mind dominant, very logical, rational. But I think we can be spirit dominant, like your spirit inside, if you could be the stronger part. And I do lessons on how to make your spirit even stronger, and how we don't really access that part of ourselves, because we don't know how. I've had to learn how to do that. But I think it's like our ghost can it's not like your spirit appears when you die, is there the whole time as an entity within and around, you know?

Jannecke Øinæs 29:27

Hmm. But let's get into that, the dominance theory, the theory that we have five dimensions to us, and this wisdom, I gotta say, came to you. So if you could share the story, and then we'll go into the different dimensions.

Margot McKinnon 29:45

Okay, I was asked to do my master's degree and to become a high school principal, and I did a thesis on organizational how a principal can create or. Organizational culture for teacher, professional learning wasn't that a nice mastery. Academic kind of topic wasn't on spirituality at all, and I I had to take 10 courses and write a thesis in my and my last class, I thought, I'm going to take a class that's just for me. I mean, I had taken classes on change theory, data analysis, all the qualitative research and all that. I want to take one class for myself, and it was called philosophy of mind. I'm extraordinarily open to anybody that I have always seen spirits and heard voices, and I guide my life by that voice. The prof on opening, we had to explain why we were taking this class, and so I said, Oh, well, because and everybody kind of snap looks at me. But what it did was, throughout that entire class, it opened people up to exploring. Well, I kind of had an experience like that too, and I dismissed it and and it opened up whole territory in there, because I was so open about mine. Anyway, the first homework assignment was, how are the body, mind, spirit related? So I went home and I cleared my space. I need to have a very shiny space, a minimalist, uncluttered, shiny I laid down on my couch. I had a yellow pad of paper, and I said, How are the body, mind, spirit related. And it was the first time Janneke that the voice actually showed itself to me. It was huge, like, I lived in a one level house, but it was huge. Like, it's its head should have gone right up to, like, out the roof, but it was huge, like I had to look up at it like this. It was massive, not with fine details. It was kind of like a shadow of a being. It was so excited yannica to tell me the answer to the question, and it said, and it had the deep voice. You have five dimensions, not just three. And I'm going to say it like this, but it actually did it in the reverse, and I'll explain why I say it like this. You have a body. Mine looks like this. Yours looks like yours. You have a mind, a logical, rational part that helps you navigate down here in the earth world. You have a spirit. Your spirit is that part of you that's connected like an umbilical cord to the unconditional love from the Spirit dimension. It's unconditional love and peacefulness, and it's also who you really are, and we are unconditional love beings. That's who we are. You have a soul. And you know, I'm using this thing up here, this mind part listening, I said spirit and soul. I thought they were the same thing, because people use them like as if they're the same word. And it said, No, the soul is your purpose. Why you came down here? Oh, okay, one, you have oneness. Oneness is your connection to me and your connection to all time, place, people, animals, trees, plants. Okay, then it said you are born dominant in one of those, and you grow the others over time. Body dominant people, they love hair, makeup, nails, fashion, food, putting on a beautiful table, design, physical, tangible things, mind dominant. Love the logical, rational organization, being a lawyer, an accountant, systems, practicality. Love it, and they're really, really good at it. Spirit dominant, they live for unconditional love and peacefulness, and that's why spirit dominance find this world to be unnecessarily harsh and cruel, and that they want to go home back to what that umbilical. Cord where they're still attached, and why they feel kind of like a stranger. They feel like a ghost in their own life. That's a spirit dominant, a soul dominant. They only want to work on their purpose. Don't ask them to take a job somewhere that's not on their sole purpose. And they really don't care if they make a lot of money on it. They have to be serving the world for a greater cause. They're soul dominant. Oneness dominant. Are connection and belonging people. They want everybody to all get along. Now, when I started this, I said it actually gave it reverse order, so when the voice was talking to me, it said, you have oneness. And at first, you know, I didn't really understand oneness, like connection and belonging. Why? Because I'm spirit dominant. I don't feel connected. I don't feel like I belong here. So I didn't understand that concept of oneness in the beginning, and I wrote my first book, because my spirit was always trying to thinking about going home. So I wrote my first book, which is the exquisiteness of being human, because I had to find the exquisiteness of my life. I had to find a reason for staying anyway. It said we have oneness. So in here, my oneness chapter is like a page and a half long. In my second book, it's much longer and way more developed, because I realized I was low in oneness. So I thought, if I'm low in a dimension, I want to grow that dimension. But it said we have oneness. We have a soul purpose, we have a spirit, we have a mind, and we have a body. So what I do with my clients is I say, well, let's go up into oneness. Let's go up into your soul purpose. And we do it reverse. So we go up and have our vision, then we pull it down into the body, mind world, and make it tangible down here. But imagine janika, how our world would be different if we different if we put oneness first, the universe does puts oneness first, but we tend to put body mind first. What do you think about that?

Jannecke Øinæs 37:32

Yeah, very true. Very true. What I've been thinking about is that there are many different systems of categories, like we have human design, we have numerology, we have astrology, we have the Enneagram. We have the five dimensions of self that there's so many different sort of categories we can find ourselves in. Are these just working beautifully together?

Margot McKinnon 37:58

I think they are. I mean, I had I'm now devoting my life to the five dimensions, and what I like about it is they're all equal. I used to think, in my spirit dominant ways, that the body part of life was just frivolous and a waste of time. And now I think, well, no, that's why we're down here. Being human is to actually enjoy the physical and tangible. Enjoy it when you're having a beautiful almond Poisson, enjoy it. Make a beautiful table. Learn how to cook beautiful things. Have your friends in for what a oneness event, and have a beautiful table set. I used to have, like paper towel as my napkins, and now I have beautiful linen ones, yeah, like but because I had to also grow my body dimension, I hadn't really spent too much time on that either my mind dimension, I really had to grow it to get my PhD, because I really wanted to know, how do you articulate yourself in a mind dominant environment when you're studying the topic of spirituality? And it was really, really hard, but I did it, and I'm proud of myself. But do I want to work in a mind dominant environment where it is only about the logical, rational systems?

Jannecke Øinæs 39:28

No, I don't. How do we know what dominance we have?

Margot McKinnon 39:36

I tend to find people discover it by how you are when you're stressed. So you can look around actually, you can look around and pretty well tell who's who, body dominant or quite immaculately dressed, beautiful hair, beautiful coat and. Maybe nail, beautiful nails. I i In my book, I have a self inventory so you can have a look to see where you are. And it's out of five like, and I'm happy with a three out of five for body. If I wake up and I fix my hair and get on a dress and, you know, I put lipstick on, but this lipstick will stay all day. But I don't want to be so body I don't have, don't want to do manicures, because I actually use my hands for my the work I do. But a stressed out body dominant will want to go shopping. They may max out their credit cards they may want to re spend over it. Spend a lot of money on their home renovating, even if they don't have the money to do it. It was remarkable when I realized no Marco start enjoying the physical, tangible parts of life. It is not frivolous. You don't have to be working on your sole purpose, morning, noon and night. You can go out and have a beautiful dinner. You can get a pedicure. Wow. That was monumental. A mind dominant. We need people who can create structures and run hospitals and education systems, those big, big systems, governments and all of that, we need some people who have a strong mind dimension. However, if they get stressed, then they tend to micromanage, and they'll create more systems for everybody to jump through, because their system is breaking down, and they may blame other people for their system breaking down and create more micromanaging tools. I did a lot of work during covid on Zoom for nurses, and it was stress and burnout using the five dimensions, and I had a nurse manager, and she said, Margo, I just realized I'm a stressed out, mind dominant nurse manager. I am micromanaging my team. I am creating more hoops for them to get in, more forms to fill in. I am part of the reason why they are stressed out. I'm going to rein in my stress behaviors. I'm going to rein those in so that I don't stress everybody out. And you may find marriages breaking down because a mind dominant and a spirit dominant are married, and the mind dominant is more controlling and trying to systematize. And the spirit person feels like their their spirit is caught in a marriage that is boxing them in and destroying their essence. So we look over at the spirit dominant isn't unconditional love and peacefulness wonderful. But when their world becomes stressy, they just want to retreat, and their house may become very cluttery and messy, and they don't have any energy to check emails, check their phone, listen to any they just want to shut the door and lock the world out. And when I do this presentation, like for teachers, I have a slide, and it's an old cabin in the woods and it's all broken down. It's in the woods. There's not even a path to the door, just weeds and no Wi Fi, you'll never find it. And my Spirit loves to just be in this quiet I can imagine a cabin in the woods where nobody can bug me because I'm spirit dominant. And I was giving this presentation I heard in the crowd. Is that cabin for rent? You know it's like, if you see what your stress behaviors are, and then I'll say, okay, Margo, you get 24 hours to just be alone and regroup, pull your spirit back together again. Now do something nice for yourself, go and have a beautiful bath, make a beautiful meal, and then slowly reintegrate back into the world. But you need time alone to just regroup. So it's a sole purpose. Soul, dominant person, they want to go into their sole purpose more and more, and they and other people who look at them can understand why they spend so much time on something that makes them very little money, and I put Van Gogh in my book as an example. And I love this story. It's sad, but I love it because it's a really great example. He didn't want to sell any paintings because he thought it would destroy his soul. Purpose. And there was an episode where some men, there was a mining accident, and the men were crawling out of the mine. Many were burned. Some were dying, some were already dead. And they called the priest, and they called a doctor to come and and look at all of these men. And Van Gogh came out, and he brought olive oil, and he tore up all of his shirts, and he said, These men shouldn't be dying alone. And he sat with them, and he tended to their wounds, and sat with them and talked to them, whereas the medic was going around going, that one's dying, that one's dying, this one, you know, no compassion, no. It was just a systems. Who can we save? Who's dying, who's worth attention? And Van Gogh thought, I all of these men deserve attention. And they looked at him as, what a crazy man he is. Who does he think he is that he can save these people? And it wasn't so much he wanted to save them. He didn't want them to be alone. And we can look at who's crazy, you know, in that scenario, so a soul dominant, some people will look at them saying, Why are you spending so much time and you don't make any money at the same time, you need to be able to look after yourself. So as a soul dome, you'd say, ream that in I need to make sure I'm feeding myself, I'm having a shower, I am getting out into the world. So it's about looking at when maybe you're overdoing it in a dimension.

Jannecke Øinæs 46:45

The point is to find the balance,

Margot McKinnon 46:47

yes and and also, like I'm a spirit dominant, so when I go into my retreat mode, then I have to go, I usually go to my body dimension. So my spirit is very strong, so I go over here first. That's my first thing I do, because I need to make sure. And I'll say, Well, go get a haircut, go and clean up all the clutter. Go and answer your emails. I have to go into my mind dimension get the emails answered, return the phone calls, because you have to get back out into the world, and then it restores the balance. A mind dominant person would reign their need to micromanage everybody into their system and say, just relax, go and do something, maybe meditate, or take on some spiritual practices so that they have more faith. They don't have to be micromanaging. If you have faith, you can start making things work in a different way.

Jannecke Øinæs 47:58

Now, you being a psychic, I would say, would you be able to see what my dominance is?

Margot McKinnon 48:07

Well, I don't know you really well, because we've never you know like we'd have to have a conversation. But I would say you're high in soul, high in soul, high in a sense of purpose. You are. You're very good in your oneness, like you have a I wouldn't say your body dominant. I'd probably put you more in the spirit and soul category. So I would say I'm spirit dominant, high, soul, and you're kind of the same way I would say, What do you think

Jannecke Øinæs 48:48

I feel I have a lot of all the dominances, like I have a very strong mind, and I love exercising, jogging, using my body, and I have felt the same way, like, am I an alien on this planet? And then I feel a very strong purpose. But when it comes to oneness, I don't, sort of are able to grasp that as a sensation

Margot McKinnon 49:17

Well, and that's where I started out, not having a sense of oneness, but what I did, and I and I'm even getting confused about mine now, because I realized when I wrote this one, this was like pulling myself together, because I was so down the path of spirit dominance, and I had to rein myself in. So I now, and I consciously built up my body dimension, I consciously built up my mind dimension, and then, and then I reigned in my spirit. So I think there's a so much growth and in the work you do, of course, you're going to grow all your five dimensions. But I did a lot of work on. Loneliness epidemic with students, especially after covid, and loneliness is a sign that your oneness dimension is low, because you're not connection, not connecting, and you don't have a sense of belonging. And so I would say, you know, I say, Okay, well, if you're oneness, because I would have students pull their chair up, because I'd see the light in their eyes dim like you can see in their eyes that they're not there. And I would say to them, if your life were exactly how you want it. What would that look like? And I'd write it all down, because that's the life their spirit wants to live. And then I would say, well, let's make sure all your courses match the life your spirit wants to live. And and so we'd create a plan for them that, and then you'd see the light coming back into then we'd go into their different dimensions. Okay, let's you've got to work on your body dimension. Let's get all your coursework here. So we'd work on that. And I actually don't feel you have to be a psychic to work with this more. You know, it's about just accepting the fact that we have five dimensions. Okay, where do you think you are? Are there dimensions you need to work on? And I, when I teach teachers at conventions and that, I say, okay, when you're making up a lesson plan, what's the body part of your lesson plan? How are you going to arrange the chairs, the How are you going to group the people? How are you going to, you know, set up the lesson. Go over to the mind. What are your expectations? What's your goals? How are you planning that out? How are you going to make sure that the the students feel that this is helping them with their real self and unconditional love and and who they are? What is the purpose of it, and how are you going to create that sense of community in this lesson, connection and belonging? So it's, it's not even really having to be psychic anymore. It's, it's more about taking on these five dimensions and trying to cover them all.

Jannecke Øinæs 52:17

Yeah, it makes really sense, and it's a great framework, because I believe it's all about balance, finding more balance in your life, and looking at where am I out of alignment. Yeah, it feels like that's part of the spiritual journey, actually finding that balance, at least for me, the voice has the voice sort of come back to guide you in these times we find ourselves in right now, a lot of spiritual teachers, channelers are talking about the shifting consciousness. Is he also coming in, guiding you in this shift, and also giving knowledge about what humanity is going through right now?

Margot McKinnon 53:04

Yes, and I managed to get myself in a little bit of a communication fiasco, and I didn't know how to solve it. So I came in and to my house and I said, Gee, I've created a bit of a fiasco. I don't know how to solve it. And then the voice said to me, Well, don't solve it from down there, Margo, come up here. I say, come up where? Come up here, into the light, into that light. And I said, what light, the one you saw in your near death with your mom? Come up here into that beautiful, white light of unconditional love and peacefulness. We'll solve it up here together. And now I teach, and we're getting amazing results. Yanika, I'm teaching everybody, and I'm just going to teach your group right here. So whenever you have that sense that things aren't the way you know, you feel like a stranger or whatever. Tilt your face up to the light, whatever sunshine it could be, a light bulb at the top of your office, but you tilt your face up like this, and close your eyes and let that light shine upon your face like sunshine, and bring your spirit merge and see it and let it pour all over your body, feel the unconditional love, the lightness, and then talk to your the voice that talks to you and and get in there, and you can pour out any problem you have up there, things you've never told anyone else. And you pour it out, and you say what it is that the result that you need, and when you feel that you've got everything poured out, then come back down here, and that voice will start moving things around for you. So that's when. Thing, we're getting amazing results. I'm having people, you know, one of my clients last week, and she said, Well, I had to, or, you know, I work in this where we had to get a product out of the factory. We had to get the label on it. And then their factory broke. Machine broke down. And I thought, What am I going to do? I'm on a deadline. And she said, and then I put my face up like I said, I need that. And she's a real she started out really mind dominant in our group. She's in my online course right now. We're almost finished it. And so she said, I did this. I did the whole exercise, and then I came back down. And then I got a message saying they fixed the machine. I'll have all the product. Thank you. So my, my, my group is they stop and put their face up to the light, because your spirit remembers that unconditional love that light. It remembers it. So every once in a while when life gets really hectic, just stop and put your face up to the light and and kind of re energize, recalibrate your five dimensions. So that's one thing. Second thing somebody said to me, Marco, why do you think that voice comes in for you so profoundly? And I, and I heard myself say, because sometimes you said before, when you have a thought, Well, I had this thought, and I said, if the Garden of Eden story were really true, I wouldn't have eaten the apple. And I never thought the garden. Thought much of the Garden of Eden story, but I thought, Oh, I see when I listen to that voice and and that voice, for me, comes in my way, but people know what's right or wrong. You know, when you're communicating with somebody, if you're saying something that's going to hurt them, don't say it wash your thoughts. You know, if that's right or wrong, do the thing that's right, and that's oneness, God, universe. So I said I wouldn't have eaten the Apple because I listened to that voice. That voice says, you know, do this. I do it. Become a teacher. Become a teacher. I listen. And that's why that voice comes in profoundly. And when I was in Oxford, I couldn't listen to it, because I had to write this scholarly piece of, you know, academia. And so when I listened to it, it becomes stronger, but then it got me thinking, let's bring us all back to our garden of Eden. State, flourishing, beautiful, abundant, full, magical. And start concentrating on, let me bring myself back to being a flourishing state. Let me bring my own white light energy back in. Let me start listening and doing the right thing, not the power thing, not the micromanaging thing, not the get your way thing, but let's do the right thing for the benefit of all so that's what me so I'm working on that now.

Jannecke Øinæs 58:25

And would you say that if we start listening to our intuition, we can also all develop a voice that is guiding us, or like a more loud voice, perhaps that will guide us?

Margot McKinnon 58:41

I think so, and I hope so. I mean, I was born with that, so it, you know, I for me, it's very natural thing. I don't know what it would be like not to have had that. But in my course, courses in that they're hearing them, what I call it, stilling the noise, to hear the voice, go into stillness so you can hear the voice. But it's the same thing. I mean, you know, if you want something done, ask a busy person, when that voice comes in and gives you like, call that person, help that person open the door for that person, when you start with the small things and you say, I heard that. Thank you. I'll do it. I'm going to stand back and open that door. Then you'll get a bigger thing and a bigger thing, and then a bigger thing and a bigger thing. So it's building trust with the universe that you'll get this. Get you know your messages and do something about it.

Jannecke Øinæs 59:44

Yeah, that's very helpful. Margit, it has been a thrill to have you on the show, and I have a few questions that I ask all my guests, and the first one is, what is self love to you?

Margot McKinnon 59:57

Well, the. Accepting me for who I am. I have my flaws because I'm a spirit dominant person, and so I I accept. I'm not a, you know, I'm just open about who I am. I accept my mistakes. I you know, so for me, it's just being entirely who I am unapologetically, and that's my self love. I don't want to hide myself. I don't want to be my spirit trapped in any environment it doesn't love being in,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:00:35

and what is the deep remaining of life from your perspective?

Margot McKinnon 1:00:40

I want to know how full of a life Margot McKinnon can live. And I, you know, I want to know like, Okay, I was a teacher. Well now that teachings turned into something else. I want to grow into every grander version of Margo. I want to push myself to see. What else is out there for Margo, what else is there for Margot to experience and enjoy as part of this human, tangible experience, nice.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:01:11

That's super inspiring. Thank you so much. Where can people find you if they want to connect? I just heard you had some programs and you have clients. So where will they go?

Margot McKinnon 1:01:23

They can go to my website, which is www.drmargotmckinnon.com, and my T has my name has a T on it, so you have to spell it properly. We're just building a new website now. New courses will be coming out in January, and of course, there's my book here, so this will help you. This is the guidebook. It'll take you through all kinds of homework exercises. You get that because I'm a teacher. You'll get exercises in there, a self inventory. We've got courses coming up, stealing the noise. And once you graduate from the courses, then you can join a month, a monthly meetup for a year, so that you don't lose your kind of momentum in growing your connection with the voice.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:02:12

Nice. Thank you so much for sharing and coming back to the show and all the best with your wonderful work.

Margot McKinnon 1:02:18

Well, thank you for inviting me. It's such a pleasure to see you again.