Navigating Consciousness and Parallel Selves! With Karen Bell

Jannecke Øinæs 0:00

Do we have other kinds of species?

Karen Bell 0:05

That's a good question. There is a huge presence of extra dimensional creatures, even things like fairies and angels and dragons and ETs and all of these other beings that exist at different frequencies. We can't experience them through our physical senses, but we certainly can experience them through our psychic senses. And so when you start to again develop your psychic abilities, you become aware that we are so not alone here. Most beings are here to help us, especially with these ET beings.

Jannecke Øinæs 0:37

I hear on my podcast now that the time is coming. The time is coming that they're becoming more visible, is that something that's coming through Sarai as well.

Karen Bell 0:48

What Sarai says is that many of us are having ET contact experiences already. But again, it happens through our extra sensory perception, right through our clairvoyance, our claircognizance, our clear audience. So when we sit in stillness, develop those senses, we start to become aware that we're already experiencing contact, and they're here already, and they're trying to help.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:10

What do you see is coming for humanity in the next few years?

Karen Bell 1:15

Let's say within the next one to three years. We would describe it as there are many choice points in which beings can choose to hold on to the old reality. Choose consciously, choose deliberately, and know that just because there's a presence of chaos in the world, it doesn't mean that you have to participate in that you can choose something much different for yourself, your family, your loved ones.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:49

Karen Bell, a warm welcome back to the Wisdom From North show.

Karen Bell 1:54

Hi Jannecke, thanks so much for having me again. It's great to see you.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:59

It's always lovely to have you back on the show, Karen. I feel like you're such a great ambassador for bringing this, these wisdom knowledge, forward in these ages and these times where we really can need some guidance when it comes to navigate this chaotic shift in consciousness we find ourselves in. And I always feel you bring something new, and that's also because you are deeply connected with this star being called Sariah. I hope I said that correctly, or i Yes, yes. So you are an intuitive and a clairvoyant, and you've been channeling this being for quite some time now, and you're sharing a lot of the wisdom online and in conferences and in podcasts, and you're really doing well, and you're also one of our masterclass teachers in Wisdom From North membership, which we are really grateful about.

Karen Bell 2:50

Yes, I love teaching that class that was on psychic development. I think that was so fun to put together.

Jannecke Øinæs 2:57

Yeah, and psychic development is something I feel is coming more natural to more and more people now is not something for those few anymore. It seems like more people are activating their psychic powers and gifts, and it's not, you know, only those people who have the abilities. It seems like anymore. Would you agree?

Karen Bell 3:18

Yes, 100% so the way that I see it is that as we navigate this shift in consciousness, there's a very real energetic shift that occurs with that journey. And in my experience, as we as we shift our energy, those psychic gifts, that intuition, all of those clear senses, they just start to come online. So what a lot of people are experiencing are they're just naturally experiencing this openness to this psychic ability. The issue usually is in the beginning, is that people don't really understand what it is or how to harness it, or how to navigate it. There might be some confusion around it. So it's really good to get some education and some experience to mainly just to help you understand what's actually happening. Because many people think, oh, there's something wrong with me. I'm going crazy, right? It's not that at all. It's just that you're coming into connection with these different frequencies, and so you experience that much differently than you do with your physical senses,

Jannecke Øinæs 4:18

for sure, and that leads me over to the question I had in mind for those who are new to you, who haven't watched our other episodes, when did you know like for sure that? Okay, so I'm channeling this being from outer space. Let's say it's like that, and it's not my own thoughts that I'm making up in my head, and I'm not going crazy either.

Karen Bell 4:42

Yes, well, I'm so grateful because my journey took place over the a period of many years, and so it was a very gradual acclamation to this experience. But one foundation that I had before even connecting with this being is that i. I had been experiencing and studying mediumship, and more specifically, I had been studying evidential mediumship and giving readings at a spiritualist church where I was basically, you know, connecting in with people from the spirit world, connecting in with their loved ones. And so receiving all of this information that I couldn't know but could be verified by the loved ones in a congregation. And so because I had that foundation, I really, it really developed trust in my psychic ability, my ability to sort of tune in to these other dimensions of consciousness. I think if I had have started experiencing this star being before having that foundation of mediumship, I would have been much more skeptical of it. But when Sarai came in, it was just like, very similar to what I experienced when I connect in with someone's loved one in the spirit world. It was just that she had this cosmic feel to it. It just felt a little bit different. I could sense that, yes, this wasn't me, it wasn't my consciousness, but I could feel that, that that it was a little bit different than that frequency of the spirit world.

Jannecke Øinæs 6:10

And would you look at yourself as a star seed? And what is a star seed from your perspective? Because we hear that word all over the place.

Karen Bell 6:19

Yeah. So there's a lot of misconception I feel and even when I started learning about Star seeds, one of the definitions that that I heard and even shared was that a star seed is an old soul, right? Or an old or a more developed soul that has these connections to these other civilizations. That's not entirely inaccurate, but what I discovered through Sarai. What What feels more true is that a star seed is actually someone who has a connection to these other beings and these other civilizations, because they have aspects of their higher self that are also incarnated there. So they have what we call a parallel self you may be familiar with, like past life. This is the idea that all time is simultaneous, simultaneous. So we have these parallel fractals of ourselves in these other civilizations, and that's why we have such a strong link to these beings and their energy and whatever it is they're trying to bring through. So my definition of a star seed is just a little bit different than what I've heard other people talk about it, but it really is having that connection, because an aspect of yourself is a part of that civilization.

Jannecke Øinæs 7:28

And we're going to speak about identity today, and that's something you're passionate about bringing forward. Or it might be Sarai that has been speaking a lot about this, yeah, lately. And I mean, it ties together with those big questions, who are we? Where are we going? Where are we coming from? What's the meaning of life? So finding your true identity, when I was thinking about that today, I mean, is that even possible when we speak about not just this universe, but other universes parallel selves, and that all is one. So isn't that just layer upon layer and that onion that never ends in a way? So could you speak to identity, the soul, my true essence? Yeah. Where can I start?

Karen Bell 8:22

Yeah, for sure, it's such a big thing to unpack. I think when I first had this awareness that maybe I wasn't this human identity, or that wasn't completely who I was, it was because I had this out of body experience. So I had this experience of my consciousness being separate from my physical body. That was the first experience for me where I realized, oh, like, I'm more than this I'm more than this body. I'm more than this personality, because I exist separate from that. So one of Sarai is biggest passions and messages is to connect in with who we are, beyond this form, beyond this human form. And so she often talks about how all of us, our true identity, is source energy. Our true identity is pure consciousness, pure awareness. And that is lies beyond even all of these incarnations, all of these fractal incarnations. Who are we beyond that? So the benefit of plugging into that, or becoming aware of that, especially right now in terms of this ascension process, is because as you become aware of yourself that is pure consciousness, or what Sarai would say is the observer, that's when you can really start to shift the energy within your mental body so your thoughts and really start to gravitate towards this healing because you can separate yourself and start to observe what's going on. Sometimes, if we're too enmeshed or too identified with our human we can't even see what's actually, what energy, what thought forms, what's arising. So when we. Separate out and we feel and come to know our true identity as consciousness, as observer, that's when we can do this ascension work that we're called to do.

Jannecke Øinæs 10:10

And still, I think many can think that, okay, so I am pure consciousness, but I would love it if I had a unique essence, like a unique signature that when I die, I won't just become part of everything. I'll actually continue my journey as me, whatever me is,

Karen Bell 10:30

yes, yeah, 100% so the way Sarai describes that is, if you think of God or source, or whatever name you wish to call, that, that energy, that's very much like the sun, and so that's the source of all of us. And so these individual emanations are like the rays of the sun, right? So each of us are a unique emanation of source. And so with that, we do have our own unique soul signature. And part of the reason that you're here on earth at this time is to attune to that, figure out what that is, and then start to shine that through your human form. This is what Sarai says. So it is about attuning to that unique soul signature that you are as an aspect of source. Because if you look out into the world, one of the things we see is this incredible, beautiful diversity. And that's actually what makes creation so beautiful is this diversity. So it's not that we want to eliminate that individuality. We actually want to feel into those qualities that we are and then start to express them in in our lives and through this human form.

Jannecke Øinæs 11:36

Is there some sort of a common thread you think, in all our incarnations like some sort of energy signature, we're sort of, let's see, let's say that we'll meet each other in another life. If we were sort of highly evolved, could we recognize each other by sort of our energies? Because there would be a unique energy signature that you refer to.

Karen Bell 12:04

I love that. I completely think that's true. I don't know if you've had the experience in your life, I certainly have where you encounter someone that you don't really understand that strong connection, but you know that that connection is so much bigger than just this, you know, this relationship. I've even had that recently, in the last couple months. And so I do think we recognize each other by that soul signature, and that is what is carried throughout all of our incarnations, is is that same emanation that we truly are?

Jannecke Øinæs 12:39

And then we speak about multiverses. I've heard you even say that a drama that wears a rise from yes in a portal to other universes. Could you share a little bit about what she has shared about these other universes, and whether me and you exists there even.

Karen Bell 13:01

Yes. So to be honest, she hasn't given a ton of information about those other universes. But that that point, which I think is so very interesting, actually came through in one of my QHHT sessions where I was QHHT, is that hypnosis technique created by Dolores Cannon. So when I was first channeling Sarai, I was really curious about all of this, and so I had a session. And this is one of the things Sarai said in the session, was that this, this point in Andromeda, is this portal to another universe. That's all the information I have. I don't have any other information on that, but I find it so fascinating to think in relation to this quality of abundance, right? Because if you really think of unlimited abundance, we hear that a lot in spirituality, if you really tune into that and start to think of maybe an infinite amount of universes, I don't think our human minds can necessarily comprehend that, but I think it's a fascinating thing to think about.

Jannecke Øinæs 13:59

Is it important for us to connect with these other selves do you think?

Karen Bell 14:04

It is. But I think it could also be a little bit overwhelming, because I really feel like there's so many of these other selves that I think we have to trust that throughout the unfoldment of our lives, that when we are meant to become aware and connect in with these parallel selves, that that will happen at the perfect and right time. That certainly has been the case for me, because if, if you were to tune into all of them at once, it would probably be so overwhelming. So what I found in my life is that when there is some sort of healing that is asking to be asking to take place between between me and a parallel aspect of myself, then that just naturally arises into my awareness and I can do the work required to sort of heal trauma or shift those thoughts and beliefs, whatever it is. So I think again, it's about trusting the unfoldment and the the Divine Order behind our lives. Lives, because we often forget that we are very much just like a flower blooming. And so there is these. There are these moments that are connected with perfect and divine right timing. So if we trust that our lives are unfolding in accordance with that, then we don't have to think too hard to figure all of that out. We can just be in the moment and let these, these, uh, opportunities for healing arrive, you know, in perfect timing, basically,

Jannecke Øinæs 15:30

yeah, I think everything is divinely orchestrated. And I think, I mean, this knowledge is coming forward now because we're meant to, or we're ready to hear it, to hear more the truth of who we are and a bit back to the self. So how can we connect to our true identity? And does that mean that in my mind, that will be connect to my higher self?

Karen Bell 15:57

Yeah, so I think one of the most effective ways to connect with your true identity is through silence, because sometimes it's easier to think of what is blocking me from connecting into that my higher self is here all the time, always with me, even always expressing through me, but I can't always feel it or sense it or attune to it. Why is that? It's usually because of all of the these thoughts that we're holding in our minds, this incessant stream of thinking. And so when we deliberately create moments of silence, that's when we start to feel our higher self, that presence, that awareness of there's something more I'm more than than this personality. For me, it's only been through silence that I've been able to connect into that and then after you've stabilized or anchored that connection, then you start to receive the wisdom, the guidance, the direction. Often people try to get to that point first, they want to know what to do, right? They want the guidance first, I think just in my own experience, it's a lot easier if you just go very slowly and just begin with, what does that presence, that higher self, what does that feel like? And can I just sit in that? Can I quiet my mind and sit in that first for a few days a week, maybe even a few months before I'm starting, before I'm trying to get information or guidance coming through.

Jannecke Øinæs 17:25

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Karen Bell 19:11

it's true, we are affected by those thought forms, and so that's one of the benefits, too, of developing your psychic ability and your intuition, so that you can learn to differentiate when you are thinking your own thought form versus when you're just walking through or experiencing someone else's thought form. We also are very interconnected, sometimes with our caregivers or our parents thought forms. So I've given sessions before where someone was holding a limiting belief, and we when we go back to explore that we realize that it almost got absorbed into their being, you know, by their mother or father at a really young age, meaning the thought form was just in the ethers, and their systems started to absorb it. So it's really fascinating. I think the antidote to that, though, is learning again, how to be in stillness and silence so we can keep. Connect in, plug in, to source and to our true self, and also to Mother Earth, right? So the more grounded we are, the more connected to Mother Earth, the less affected we are by these energies that are, that are floating around, right? So, so there's a lot to that, but again, it's it starts with anchoring this connection to your true self, so you can differentiate between what you're experiencing, you can become aware of what it is you're experiencing, yeah.

Jannecke Øinæs 20:27

And thought forms could be huge belief systems, even in a country that we plug into in a way,

Karen Bell 20:33

Oh, for sure, yeah. Or a big one is through the media, right? So we don't realize that through the media that we consume that is a frequency and a vibration, and all of those thought forms exist on that bandwidth, the frequency, right? And so if we're consuming that on a continual basis, we are becoming programmed with that frequency, that energy, those thought forms. So it's really wise to be discerning about what the media you consume, what it feels like and how it's impacting you energetically and mentally through this process of being exposed to all these ideas and belief systems.

Jannecke Øinæs 21:11

Yeah, and that's more important than ever, I think yes to these times we find ourselves in. And yeah, just saw something on the news today where, yeah, that was horrible. Something was someone who was killed in the US. I think it was a politician or something. And I'm just wondering where is this world going? Like, in which direction are we going now and again, we speak a lot about this on the show that these chaotic times have a purpose. But still, it feels like it's important that we take inspired action, that we do not just wait and wait for everything to unfold and that the new age or the new era will come by itself. We actually need to do something. And I know you speak about that state of being is very important in this could you address that

Karen Bell 22:04

for sure. So when it comes to inspired action, what's really important to understand is that your highest course of action is only going to arise out of a connection with your truest, most authentic, uh, highest self that's plugged into source. So all of these changes that that we wish to make changes for the better, to create a healthier world, a healthier environment that comes out of a place again, of connection. If we're not connected to our true self, if we're not in that state of connection, we can take a lot of action, and we can have the desire for change, but the action doesn't bear fruit, right? Because it's not actually holding the energy or holding the frequency of that new reality. So this is why state of being is so important, because your state of being determines your action, right? So even if you think of that word inspired, inspired in spirit, you know, connected to spirit, you can't take inspired action without first creating the state of being that will lead to that inspired action.

Jannecke Øinæs 23:09

And let's dive deeper. Because Okay, so what does it mean? Should I change how I feel? Should I not feel what I feel? Obviously, I think. No. How would I go about doing that?

Karen Bell 23:22

Yes, so I think it's really important to to realize that we experience, there's a felt response based on what we're focused on. And a lot of us who are light workers or star seeds, we're actually here to create a new world that is the basis of that world is a higher frequency, a world where we are more connected to life, to source, to Mother Earth, and we're taking action from that point. And so when we when we look at, when we focus on the problems of the world, we're going to have an emotional response to that right? And it's going to it could be despair, it could be anger, it could be rage. And it's not that any of that is wrong, it's just that we want to focus on, okay, this is what I don't want. I don't want to perpetuate this world. So what is it that I do want to create? And so shifting your focus, you're allowed to feel sad, you're allowed to feel angry, anger, you're allowed to feel all of that. But, sir, I would say just be aware of how much time you spend in that energy. Because if you're here to create a new world, then what you want to do is start to shift into the the energy of the solution, the vibration of the solution, and not be so focused on the problem. Your desire can be massive, but if you're really focused on that energy of the old reality, you're not going to have access to the inspired ideas to create the change that you want to make. So again, it's about sitting in stillness, connecting to source, connecting with your true self, and then acting or asking, How can I be obst? Of us at this time, what can I do? Oftentimes, that's a baby step, that's something small, right? That will lead to something bigger. But I think what shuts its us down sometimes is that feeling of hopelessness. There's so many problems, there's so many issues, and they're so big, doesn't feel like I can do anything about it. But when you connect in with your true self, you'll be given a baby step of how you can help, and I think that's really important to understand, because it's tolerable and it'll alleviate that sense of hopeless, hopelessness that we all often feel right now

Jannecke Øinæs 25:36

and then it seems like sometimes that, okay, yes, we wake up when we go through hardship, that we have challenges in our life, and that gives us an opportunity to ask the big questions. But you could also look at it differently, that those who are just concerned with surviving don't have the luxury of asking the big questions and sit down in stillness and meditate. They're just really occupied in their minds about how could, how can I survive? How could I pay the rent? How could I just get the wheels going? And what would Sariah say to them, who are in just that you know, mindset and just feels like I don't have the luxury to meditate and search and how this deep awakening, I need to take action just surviving in this world.

Karen Bell 26:30

Yes, for sure, well, I think that's a huge issue. And I would say that that's where personal responsibility comes in, in terms of the rest of us seeing that and sensing that and seeing if Is there a way that we can help those people right? Because it's very difficult to get out of that cycle of survival. A lot of that has to do with this is a bigger topic, but the nervous system and how we get into these states of survival and dysregulation, and how we get stuck there. And so I think for those of us that have reached maybe a place where we can create stillness, and we do have the luxury of tapping into our true self, I think that's where where personal responsibility comes in, in terms of asking, How can I help those that are still in survival, right? There's a concept called mirror neurons, which means that our nervous systems read each other and respond to each other and mirror each other, right? So if I'm around someone who's in that survival state, I don't necessarily have to do anything specific except just be in a regulated, calm, connected state, and that will actually serve them. So Sarai talks a lot about the power of our emanation and the power of our spiritual connection. So I think that's really important into in relation to helping people who are in that survival state,

Jannecke Øinæs 27:54

and maybe they have chosen that, that that is something I'm going to go through in this incarnation. I'm not going to spiritually awaken and be super interested in reincarnation. I'm actually going to Yes, experience how it is to Yeah, just get the wheels going and work hard and all that. Yeah,

Karen Bell 28:15

100% I think sometimes when we I've noticed that as I start to have these QHHT sessions and these experiences of my other lives. What I realize is, there's, it's such a huge spectrum of diversity. We really do incarnate to experience all of these just different energies and frequencies and experiences. So although we might think that like this, our minds interpret, oh, this is, this is good, like having a lot of money, right? Having that luxury of connecting with my true self, that's what we want. But our soul actually wants a variety of experiences to learn from. So that's a beautiful point, that perhaps that experience is also divinely orchestrated.

Jannecke Øinæs 28:59

Do you think that all human, or, let me rephrase this. Do you think this planet is only inhabited by humans? Or do we have other kinds of species, shadow people, I know Dolores Cannon spoke about, I think was shadow people and walk ins. And what are your perspective on? Actually, what kind of species?

Karen Bell 29:26

That's a good question. I feel that, again, what I've experienced through my psychic awareness is that the spectrum that our physical senses can pick up on is so very narrow. And so I think when it comes to all these other beings that our physical senses what's important to keep in mind is when we experience other humans, for example, that's just the spectrum that our physical senses can pick up on. My sense has always been that there is a huge presence of extra dimensional creatures or beings. Here, even things like fairies and angels and dragons and ETs and all of these other beings that exist at different frequencies. We can't experience them through our physical senses, but we certainly can experience them through our psychic senses. And so when you start to again develop your psychic abilities, you become aware that we are so not alone here, and there are so many other beings. I like to add on, though, that this can sometimes evoke fear because of the different you know, there's a lot of narratives around beings who are here to hurt us or harm us. My experience has been that most beings are here to help us, especially with these et beings. So when we focus on that, it doesn't again activate that fear in our systems. It's like, okay, these beings are here to help and support.

Jannecke Øinæs 30:50

Hmm, yeah. And when we speak about that, I hear on my podcast now that the time is coming, the time is coming that they're becoming more visible. Yes, those extraterrestrial is that something that's coming through Sarai as well?

Karen Bell 31:04

Well, I think what's interesting is that often when people think of ET contact, everybody's waiting for this moment where the ships will land and we have these physical experiences and and that's awesome. That would be awesome if that happened. But what Sarai says is that many of us are having ET contact experiences already. But again, it happens through our extra sensory perception, right through our clairvoyance, our claircognizance, our clairaudience, our clear sentience, primarily so when we sit in stillness, develop those senses, we start to become aware that we're already experiencing contact, and they're here already, and they're trying to help, and, and, and how are they trying to help? They help primarily, or at least Sarai does through this broadcast of energy that is a different frequency than our dominant human consciousness. So it has this, if we attune to it has this entraining effect, effect where we're being shifted very slowly and gradually into this higher vibration.

Jannecke Øinæs 32:06

All right? Well, I have tons of questions as always, and maybe we should bring Sarai forward so she could address some of them.

Karen Bell 32:15

Sounds good. Sounds good. Okay, just give me a moment to shift my state so

Karen Bell 32:29

and so we very much been looking forward to this interaction. We appreciate your participation with this interaction. And to begin with, on this day, what we'd like to speak about is just the reiteration of this true self or this divine self that the two of you have been discussing. And what we'd like to do is describe how this true self or this true identity is an emanation of source and the emanation of divine intelligence. And what we would like to confirm also is that it has this multi dimensional nature. And so if you really become aware of that and start to feel into that for yourself, what you will experience is this awareness that who you truly are is much more than this physical body, this mental body, which is the collection of your thoughts and your beliefs and your narratives, even your personality, who you are, is so much more than that. And not only are you expressing through this particular vehicle or vessel, that is this human construct that you're experiencing in this moment, but you are also expressing and experiencing through many other forms. And so this is the gift, or the benefit of really sitting in stillness, in quiet, and tuning in to not only who you are, but the feeling tone or the nature of who you truly are beyond this, this identity, this is how you will get an experience of this multi dimensional self that is having many different concurrent experiences throughout time and space and beyond. And so for all of those that are listening, we really would encourage you to create, deliberately create time to witness who you are beyond this form, so that you can attune to this true identity, and it's multi dimensional nature. And so with all of that in mind, how may we serve you on this day? What questions do you have for us?

Jannecke Øinæs 34:31

Thank you for being here in our conversation about our true identity, the ego pops into my mind. Could you describe and share about what the ego is, if it's a human concept, and how it's linked to all the thoughts in my mind, that narrator who constantly speaks and which is most of the time. Very negative,

Karen Bell 35:01

yes So this ego that you'd speak of, we describe that the easiest way to think of it is the mind made sense of yourself. So you incarnate into this form, and you understand that part of the vessel for this experience is your human body or physical body. Another aspect or to this tool or this vehicle of experience is the mind. And so as you incarnate, you begin to have experience and be exposed to thought forms, to perspectives, to beliefs, and all of that starts to be programmed within your mental construct, very much like a computer. So we often describe that the best way to see yourself is analogous to a computer, in the sense that your body is the hardware, your mind is the software, but you as this pure awareness, pure consciousness. You're the one sitting at the computer. You're the user, and so the ego is this collection of thought forms. But more specifically, we would say it's the collection of thought forms that is directed at your self identity. Now when you are speaking of the negativity, what we would like you to know is that one of the purposes or directives of the ego is that it protects itself and so oftentimes, what you'll witness as you perceive the ego is that all of these thought forms that appear to be negative are just trying to protect you from something. For many people, not all people, but for many people, the ego is in this dominant frequency of fear. It's afraid of something it's afraid of something happening. It's afraid of physical pain, emotional pain. And so all of this movement of the mind is actually seeking to protect you from experiencing some sort of pain. When you back up again, center yourself as the observer and the witness and start to bring a little bit of soothing or peace to that ego, maybe placing your hand on your heart or your body and just soothing it, slightly slowing your breath down, because your breath is very intimately connected with the movement of your mind, start to slow these thought forms down. One way to ease or soothe the ego is just to remind yourself that I am safe, and just feel into your body and just notice, is there a part of my body or an aspect of my body that is in safety? And just start focusing on that, you'll notice a lot of those thought forms start to slow down, and for some they may dissipate. Of course, as you move through your day or various experiences, those thought forms will come up again. But it really is wise to notice this movement of mind that is ego. And even more important to ask, what is this ego trying to protect me from that will help you with that hamster wheel of thought forms, that incessant movement of the mind that the ego creates.

Jannecke Øinæs 38:00

Thank you for that. I'm wondering, is the frequency higher on the planet now than it has ever been we?

Karen Bell 38:12

The way that we see it is that your frequency is higher. However, there's also this polarization of energy, where the old energy, or that reality that is likely to collapse is fighting for itself, fighting for survival, very much like this ego self that is fighting for survival or seeking protection of itself. And so we see both. We see this heightened frequency, and we see that as the direction that consciousness is going. However, it doesn't always seem like that, because there's also this movement of lower frequency that, in essence, is still seeking to control and seeking to prevent itself from losing power. For all those listening, we would say, focus on the higher frequency, align with that frequency, attuned to that frequency, and know that you are here to be a part of the creation of that new world, or this new reality that begins with energy. Work with attuning yourself to what that feels like, and anchoring that being in that frequency or that energy more often than you're not, of course, it's okay sometimes to witness what's going on, and when you do, you dip into or drop into that lower frequency, we would say, keep the mind focused on the higher frequency, attuned to that so that you can be of service in the way that you intended to be when you incarnated here.

Jannecke Øinæs 39:38

And speaking of this new world and the future the financial system. We've heard from some channelers that it will collapse or it will change. And then I'm curious when I'm sitting here now, if you could share some advice on Well, what should we invest in in the future? How will our financial financial system look like

Karen Bell 40:04

this is a difficult question for us to answer, because when we are looking at this monetary system, you have what we would first say is to notice how these survival programs and the feeling of being safe is very much intertwined with money, with how much money you perceive to have, and with how much money you perceive that you don't have, and therein lies the problem. The problem is that you equate your sensation of safety with the these financial systems, we would say, if you really want to anchor a feeling of being safe and feeling that you don't always have to be controlling your future experience, or worried or concerned about your future experience, that you create a feeling of safety in your human construct through the connection of number one, your highest, truest self source energy. This is the frequency, the energy of abundance. When you attune to it, you will always feel safe. You will always feel like you have enough, and therefore you will always create the circumstances in which you have enough. And then the second aspect is really connecting and plugging into the energy, or the frequency, of Mother Earth, which is grounding in nature. This also creates a feeling of safety. So we understand that we're not answering your question in the way that you likely expected, but we would say, what is behind these questions of money and finance? What's the desire? It's the desire to feel safe. It's the desire to not be in worry. It's the desire to be connected, plugged in. It's the desire for that feeling of abundance, and you can access that in this present moment. When you access that feeling your external reality that is in the form of finance, it will always reflect back to that energy you're holding, if you're in worry, if you're in doubt, if you're trying to figure out what's happening in the future, if you're trying to control you can feel how all of that causes a glitch or disruption in your vibration. So we would say, focus on source. Focus on the feeling of abundance. Focus on the sensation, or the awareness of abundance as it manifests in nature, and you'll feel much better about the future of your finances.

Jannecke Øinæs 42:26

All right, there's many questions I could ask there, but I'll ask is abundance? And my perspective is, yes, is abundance for everyone. Let's say that you've chosen to experience lack of abundance in this incarnation. Can you turn that around? Because it feels like, or it seems like, that our true nature is abundant. So is that our future that everybody has enough and everybody's abundant? Yes, what if, then a soul has decided, well, I'm going to learn from lack. Yes, is there a paradox there?

Karen Bell 43:06

There is a paradox in that we would agree with you on so many points there, that your true nature is abundance. And so when beings are seeking money, what they are actually seeking is a communion and a connection and embodiment of their true self, which is and carries this frequency of abundance. And oftentimes, when you focus on this, as we said, that you don't have to so much worry about money. The money just comes to you. We also agree that you incarnate into this reality for the purpose of duality, for the purpose of contrast. And so it is helpful for a soul sometimes to incarnate and experience lack, as you said, because it helps them understand what abundance actually is and what it feels like. We would say that in terms of collective evolution, you are moving towards a civilization that is more in harmony with Source energy, with Unity Consciousness. And so as you connect and plug into that energy, that frequency, and also the qualities of that divine presence, one of them is abundance, then you will all start to experience having more than enough. We just wish to point out that, just as you said, the experience of lack in terms of the perspective of the soul, the experience of lack is just as valuable as the experience of abundance. The question in this moment for all those listening is, what is the desire? Where is your desire? What do you want to create? What do you want to experience in this lifetime? The reason you, many of you, if not, most of you, will say abundance is because that's a closer vibration, or a closer experience to the emanation of your true self.

Jannecke Øinæs 44:52

All right. Now, what do you see is coming for humanity in the next few years?

Karen Bell 45:00

So as we gaze out and as we are aware of the unfoldment of what is arising, let's say, within the next one to three years, we would describe it as there are many choice points in which beings can choose to grasp or try to hang on or hold on to the old reality, which we describe as the level of consciousness that arises out of separation. So I'm separate. There's no awareness of being interconnected with the whole, interconnected with life, interconnected with other humans, interconnected with the earth. That's a valid choice, as we've said, all choices are valid because they create the opportunity for evolution, expansion, learning, growth, however, we would say, for the audience listening to this broadcast, that the other choice related to connecting with the true self, plugging into that, experiencing those qualities, creating your life circumstance from that place of connection. We would say that choice, choice or that path, is much more alluring to all those listening to this broadcast. So we would say there will be many unfoldments. There will be a continuation of chaos. There will be a continuation of collapse. The question is, do you want to be part of that or do you want to experience something completely different? The illusion we find, sometimes with many beings, including some listening to this broadcast, is that they are a victim of that lower frequency and the manifestation of that reality. And we would say, anytime you fall into that mindset of victim, you lose your power. You also lose your connection with your true identity. You all have the power to connect and plug in and align with the energy, the frequency that you desire to experience. And in that plugging in, in that connection, you will create an external reality that mirrored that mirrors that. So we would say, choose wisely, choose consciously, choose deliberately, and know that just because there's a presence of chaos in the world, it doesn't mean that you have to participate in that you can choose something much different for yourself, your family, your loved ones.

Jannecke Øinæs 47:27

I'm curious whether we will see in my future or my lifetime, in Karen's lifetime, that our true nature will be revealed in a way that it will be a truth, that every human knows that we are these internal beings, because there's many people who do not believe in this. Yes, so will there be a time where that will be a truth for everybody

Karen Bell 48:01

in our in terms of our perception, we would say there will be a time in the in the movement of human evolution, human consciousness. There will be a point in time where that is the dominant reality. There will come a time when most beings are connected in plugged into their true self, and everything in your civilization, in your society, all your structures, your education systems, your monetary systems, everything reflects that we don't necessarily see that happening in your lifetimes. However we want you to rather than think about that, we want you to feel for the future manifestation of a world where there is more harmony, there is more peace, there is more abundance, there is a greater reflection of the interconnection of life. If you can feel into what that would feel like, then you can again create that for yourselves and your descendants. Now you don't have to wait for that to manifest as the dominant reality. You're here because you are a pioneer of that reality. So step into it now and start to anchor that higher frequency and that connection. Now, does that make sense to you?

Jannecke Øinæs 49:22

Yeah, sure. Would you say life is a game and life is an illusion, really like a dream.

Karen Bell 49:30

It is very much like that. And so again, there are many different perspectives of what life is, and all are valid in terms of what feels right to you, what feels resonant to you? How do I wish to perceive life? What feels like it is most resonant to me? We often project and emanate to Karen, because it feels really good to her. This perspective of life being a celebration, everything in creation, in a sense, is source broadcasting itself. Love through creation. And there's a celebratory frequency to that. There's a feeling of gratitude. I get to be alive. I get to be here. I get to have this experience. It is also very much like a dream, because your true self, or your higher self, never leaves that place of connection with source. So even though you experience difficulties, chaos, turbulence, here, your higher self, or your true self, is is never uprooted from those experiences. So we say it's like a dream, because it's very much when, like when you have a nightmare and there is this difficulty or this even fear in the nightmare, and then you wake up and you realize that not only are you okay, but you are always okay. And so it's very true that life is like a dream. And when you say life is like a play, well, that is true. Also. You are here playing a role. You are here as this beautiful, incredible character. You are interacting with other characters. If you feel into that, it's sort of fun to get to know the other characters, to play your roles, to have this experience. So we would say life is all of those things. The question is, how do you wish to perceive life? How do you wish to perceive life? What feels good to you?

Jannecke Øinæs 51:13

Hmm, all right. And speaking of dreams, why do we need to dream? What are dreams? And is there important knowledge from our soul every night that we sleep?

Karen Bell 51:30

We would say there are different dreams. And so not all dreams are the same. Not all dreams share the same intention or directive. And so we would like to just point out that some dreams you wake up from, they make absolutely no sense. You can't really wrap your mind around the meaning of it. And then there are other dreams that feel deeply meaningful, or then there are other dreams where you feel, or you sense you've had an interaction with a loved one or a being in another dimension. And so there isn't a blanket statement that we could provide that would answer that question, but we would say, notice when you wake up from a dream, first of all, notice the sensation, the feeling, what did I feel in that dream? And then gently ask yourself, is there a message? Is there something I need to know? For many of those listening, dreams provide an access point to their true self, or to their guides, guardians, loved ones and other dimensions. So if you pay attention to your dreams, if you write them down, you'll start to recognize these repeating patterns of guidance. Because your Higher Self, your true self, your guides and guardians are always seeking to support you, always seeking to guide you in the waking state, what often blocks that or prevents that, or limits that is, again, this incessant thinking mind at night. Time your mind quiets down, it softens and so it's a perfect opportunity for your higher self or your guides or guardians to relay messages to you.

Jannecke Øinæs 53:00

So do you think we need to dream because we need to connect to our true self every night?

Karen Bell 53:08

Yes, we do think that. We do think that part of the purpose of sleeping and part of the purpose of dreaming is this rejuvenating experience of plugging back into who you truly are you are all in various stages or various in terms of on the spectrum of connection with your true self. It's a spectrum of connectivity. And again, it's not good or bad. It's just where you're at, and it's fine, but understand that the disconnection from your true self, it does have a depleting effect on your body, on your mind, on your spirit. And so when you have these moments of connection through dreams, it's incredibly rejuvenating for who you truly are in this human vessel that you are experiencing life through.

Jannecke Øinæs 53:53

So we should basically sleep more.

Karen Bell 53:56

You should sleep as much as you can. We would say yes, but we would say what's most important with that is that you stick to some sort of rhythm or schedule with your sleep. And what is healthiest for you is that if you pay attention to the cycles of nature, the cycles of your earth, and align your sleep cycles with that, that is the healthiest for your physical body. It's also the healthiest in terms of attuning to your true self in your sleep state.

Jannecke Øinæs 54:24

I would love to ask a personal question that I think can be helpful for others as well when it comes to traumas and patterns that are stuck in the body, because that's often what is hindering us in moving forward with things we want to thrive in, or things we think are fun, and either, if it's a relationship or it is a career or a profession, that something is holding us back because of something that happened way back when. This is a very practical example. That's why I'm sharing it. So I played a lot of tennis when I was young, and I was in the Norwegian championship. Up, and I was in the finals, and I had match ball, and I played pretty aggressively and with self confidence, and it started raining. It was a horrible day, and my opponent, she picked up every single ball. She started also lobbying and lobbying. And when I was playing aggressively, and she started lobbying. She was actually psyching me out. Yes, that's an expression, it is in Norwegian. So I totally lost my game, and I had a meltdown, and I lost that match ball, and I lost the game. So I never became number one in Norway, and after that, I could not play tennis, so I quit tennis for 30 years, until I met my husband, and he plays tennis. And i i so long to come back, to go back on the court, and now I'm playing again, but I can still feel that something happens in my mind, or actually my body, in my hands when I put up the racket and I'm going to make a go at it, sometimes I shiver in my hands, and I'm using my thoughts. I'm doing everything I can, and I'm meditating and doing all that I can, but still, it happens in a split of a second before I'm going to hit that ball, I'm right back there in the finals not being able to hit the ball like my arm is not working. So what is the solution to this and to all our patterns and traumas that just seem so stuck, and they just come on board in the moment without us being able to stop it or change it.

Karen Bell 56:49

Yes, so this is a beautiful question, and so we would begin by expressing to you and by saying that these traumas that you think of that are a result of past experiences. The first thing that you need to know is that they live in the energy field that is intertwined with your physical body. In other words, they are very much intertwined or enmeshed with your physical body. They do not live in your head. And so this is why the attempt to overwrite, right? That that thought form that I should just be able to play or I should just be over this. This is why that doesn't work so well, because what most, most beings are overlooking is that this energy, this energy packet, we sometimes describe them as some scars, they are residing in the body. And so it's very necessary to address the body and the sensations in the physical body and the response of the nervous system when it comes to releasing some of these traumas. Now, when it comes to these, these, these traumas, what we describe as some scares, we describe them as very much like an envelope in which there are three little components to this envelope, and the first component is the memory of the experience. Now, the experiences itself is neutral. So you'd understand that every experience is neutral until your mind makes meaning out of it. So that second little component is the meaning or the thought form that your mind assigns to that experience. And then the the third component in the envelope is the energetic or emotional charge that's associated with the thought form or perspective. So if we were to be helping you process this through, we would say, first of all, when you close your eyes and you take yourself back to that experience, where do you feel it? In your body? Where do you notice it? You don't have to overthink this. You just have to feel for your body and feel where is the energy of this experience in my body?

Jannecke Øinæs 58:57

Well, I felt it in my chest and in my heart. Yes.

Karen Bell 59:01

So as you're just witnessing that sensation, and you likely feel it as tension, would that be accurate? Feel a little constraint in that area of the body,

Jannecke Øinæs 59:11

yeah? And I feel a lot of sorrow, yes.

Karen Bell 59:14

So that's the charge that we're speaking of. That's the sadness. So you feel the sensation, the somatic presence of the energy, and then you're also tuning in to that sorrow. So we would say, feel the sorrow, feel the sadness, and let the body first of all express that. So just notice how the body wants to express that sensation, that charge when it comes to sorrow. You do very often feel sorrow in the chest. You may notice your shoulders wanting to curl in. You may notice your body wanting to protect the heart, and you just let your body express that energy. And so as you let your body express that energy, you notice that some of that energy, whether you know it or not, is starting to dissipate and be released. Uh. Because what's true is that this is the energy that was the natural outcome, or the natural uh affect or impact of this event that perhaps at the time you couldn't fully feel. So in this moment, you're just letting yourself feel the sorrow, the sadness, and then perhaps maybe the most important part of discharging this energy is also noticing what the thought form, or the the mental meaning that your mind assigned to this event. So as you're aware of this presence of sorrow in the chest, and as you're aware of this experience, can you think back in terms of this younger, parallel version of yourself, and ask when she lost that match, when she had this difficult experience, what thought form, what narrative, what belief was created in the mind as a result of that experience, what comes up for you?

Jannecke Øinæs 1:00:56

Then I think I realized that I lost my play, my my ability to play tennis,

Karen Bell 1:01:05

yes, yes. So the thought form would be, I can't play anymore. Does that feel accurate? Yes? Going to be able to play Yes. So, so there's a deep sorrow because of how much you love to play Yes. So I I'm losing this match now I'm not going to have opportunities to play. I can't play tennis. That's a thought form. That's the meaning that your mind assigned to this event. So in this moment, all we're asking you to do is just witness that as a thought form, not necessarily the truth. And you'd understand that, because now in this moment, you have the opportunity to play again, so you're witnessing, oh, that may not be true, because I can play now, if I want to, I can choose, but at that moment in time, what was true is that I couldn't play, and that's what my mind was focused on. That's what created this sorrow in my chest. So take a very deep breath and really focus on your chest, your sternum, your lungs, your heart, and see if you can soften some of that tension in the upper body and just focus for just a moment on softening the tension, softening relaxing. And then our question to you, from this present moment in time, as you attune to this moment and yourself in this moment. Is it true in this moment? Is it absolutely true that you can't play tennis in this moment? No. And so how does it feel when you draw in a new perspective, a new thought form? I can play tennis now. I can play with my husband. Perhaps it's even going to be more enjoyable in this Now moment, there's a lot less pressure. I'm a different person now. I'm a more free person, a more liberated person. So just feel into the perspective I couldn't then, I couldn't play it then, but now I can and just feel the relief of that shift. And notice, particularly notice, if your chest, your heart, your throat, your sternum, this entire area of your body, if you even feel the subtlest sense of relief or release or relaxation, Can you sense a little bit of relief,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:03:21

a little however, I would like to do the process again when I watch this is in recording.

Karen Bell 1:03:26

Yes, so that's very it's a very good point. And this is why we often suggest that you take these, these traumas in baby steps, layer by layer. Because what's usually true for most of you is that it requires a few periods of exploration where you're just peeling away the layers and you just go very softly and gently with yourself. In other words, what you're looking for is just a sensation or an experience of relief. You're not looking for perfection. You're not looking to be fully free of the pattern, although sometimes that happens, what you're looking for in the moment is even a subtle or a slight sense of greater relaxation, greater ease in your body. This is how you know that you're starting to release some of those packets of energy, those thought forms, those perspectives and those emotions. We would say that there's the presence of sorrow within your chest about the loss of tennis also about other things as well. So you may find, as you go about this process, that there's a sort of domino effect where other things come up, where you're also feeling the sensation of loss around so we would say, just be very gentle with yourself. Go slowly and trust the process that as you release these these thought forms, these perspectives in your energy body, that each and every time you release a layer, you are gravit gravitating towards this fuller expression of yourself.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:04:53

Thank you so much. That was very helpful, and I think, for others as well, to learn the process of a. Packing and releasing that so thank you. Do you have any final messages for our audience today?

Karen Bell 1:05:06

We would say, just to conclude that as you go about this journey of getting to know your true self, connecting in with your true self, and becoming a greater emanation and embodiment of that true self, we'd like to offer this message to your minds that your life will get better and better and better as a result of that, the things that you think you want in your external reality are really just these qualities of the true self mirrored back to you, qualities like abundance, like freedom, like joy, like unconditional love, compassion, all of these qualities. So when you focus on connecting in with your true identity, it really does create the answer that many of you are looking for. And so we'll leave you with the greeting Satnam, which means true identity. We see and sense your true identities as these incredible, beautiful beings of light. We beam and broadcast this energy, this frequency, to you in this moment and in every moment until you can anchor that energy for yourself and so Satnam, on this day, Sat Nam to each and every one of you. Thank you.

Karen Bell 1:06:22

Mm, now we're back back. Yes, thank you.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:06:28

That was lovely. That was very helpful. I thought it was great for people to see those steps we can take to actually start doing the energy work. Because thinking we speak about energy work and not everybody knows, well, how do I go about this? So I wanted to take a practical example to see how we can work with our own individual issues.

Karen Bell 1:06:48

Yes, and I commend you for your courage too, yannica, because it's not always easy to to explore some of these energies in our body, right? It can be uncomfortable, it can be confronting, and that's, I think, why we want to just be very gentle and slow, especially in the beginning, right? Don't, don't feel like you have to be this perfect emanation of yourself tomorrow. It's really just about

Jannecke Øinæs 1:07:12

but maybe it helped me in the match I'm having next week.

Karen Bell 1:07:15

So yeah, you'll have to let us know how you did in the comments on YouTube, you can let us know.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:07:23

I will, yes. Now, Karen, I know you have a conference coming on. It's on Gaia. Could you share a little bit about it? Because it's pretty big deal. I mean, there are a lot of big channelers who are part of this, and you're there too. That's awesome.

Karen Bell 1:07:37

Yes. So I'll be participating in this year's Gaia channeling Conference, which the live event takes place on October 18. The tickets for the live event are now sold out, but it is available to watch through Gaia plus so if you have a Gaia Plus membership, either before the event or anytime after the event, you can actually watch watch me channeling Sarai. Also. Daryl Anka will be channeling Bashar, Lee Carroll will be channeling crayon, Matthias de Stefano will be channeling Sheila Gillette. Those are that. These are the five channelers at this event. So it's really going to be incredible. So I invite everybody to join us for

Jannecke Øinæs 1:08:15

that awesome panel. I would love to see it as well, and all the best with that, and the last questions for this episode, Karen, what is self love to you?

Karen Bell 1:08:27

Oh, self love. Oh my gosh. You ask this every time, and I always forget what I said last time. But I think self love is really tuning in again to your true self and really understanding this true self that you are loves you unconditionally, 24/7, so can you learn to attune to that? And can you learn to see yourself that way too? It's a process, right? But what I found is, is when I take that journey, when I when I take initiative to to match that frequency, that energy, that perspective, is that things in my life tend to work, right? It's much easier. Yeah.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:09:03

And what is the deeper meaning of life? From your perspective,

Karen Bell 1:09:08

the deeper meaning of life, there's a couple things I could say. Number one, I really resonate aligned with what Sarai says as being life is about experience, expression and evolution. But for me, personally, life is also about creativity, art, personal expression. If I'm not doing something creative, I don't feel like myself. So that's a big part of what I perceive life to be, too.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:09:31

Thank you so much, Karen for coming to the show again, sharing your wisdom and having Sarai also share her wisdom and all the best with the conference and your beautiful work.

Karen Bell 1:09:40

Thank you so much, Jannecke.