What Actually Happens When You Die? A Reluctant Medium Explains the Crossing Over Process! With Isabeau Maxwell

Isabeau Maxwell 0:00

She showed up in my living room in spirit form. She showed up right in front of me. She was about 70% solid. I gotta tell you, I was, I was frightened. I have a degree in mathematics, one plus one must equal two, that's all there is to it. I didn't really believe in anything spiritual or religious at all. When a person passes away, they let go of the physical body, but they're going to take the programming body and the spiritual body through the in between to cross over in the in between. The one thing that blocks you from manifesting anything you want doesn't exist, which is the physical body. If you make a decision that you're in a giant candy store, you will feel like you're in a giant candy store. If you stole a pencil in third grade and your grandfather told you you were going to go to hell, that's what's going to be up ahead of you. When you go through your review, you have to review every situation you were in from multiple perspectives. Every single person that he hurt, he has to experience what that was, and also the ripple effect of it as well.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:07

Isabeau Maxwell, a warm welcome to the Wisdom From North show. How are you?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:18

I'm great, thank you for having me.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:21

I'm excited to get to know your work today. You are a psychic and a reluctant medium, and we'll learn more about why and what that means later on. You're also an author, and you work with helping people develop their intuitive abilities, and you're the founder of the Sage Method, and we're going to dive deep into the afterlife and the crossing over today, and how it's like being a psychic. But how do you feel that conversation today might expand people's minds and consciousness?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:54

My goal is to help people understand that everyone is intuitive, it's not something you know, super rare that only some people have. So, my mission really is to go out into the world and remind people of their intuition, so they can connect with it once again.

Jannecke Øinæs 2:14

That's a beautiful intention, and I've actually heard that you say that we all have it, and it's a question of whether it's unlocked or not, in the sense,

Isabeau Maxwell 2:25

yeah, it's a matter of it being, you know, cloudy or muddled, or, you know, cluttered. It's a matter of relaxing into it and getting rid of the things like the old programming that doesn't work, and, you know, a lot of people do inner work for a while, they'll start focusing on themselves, and they'll do a lot of inner work, and then they find that their intuition starts to open up, and even if that wasn't their intention, they're pleasantly surprised by it, but it makes sense to me, your intuition is already 100% strong, it's just pretty cluttered,

Jannecke Øinæs 3:00

I find your story interesting, and since it's your first time on the show, I'd love for our audience to get to know how you got here, because your life was all about numbers and everything else but spirituality, even though you had these abilities, and actually your family just sort of tipped you out of a secret, and yeah, just just tell the story of how this unfolded, because you've been doing this for 20 years, but it started sort of way before that,

Isabeau Maxwell 3:31

yeah, way before that. So I was 3250 well, so okay, I'm like 50, so it's maybe 21 years, but I was 32 years old when I opened up intuitively. I was a complete skeptic. I have a degree in mathematics, one plus one must equal two, that's all there is to it. And I didn't really believe in anything spiritual or religious at all, that was just the way it was. My grandmother, who was across the country, I couldn't get to her, was in hospice, and she was passing. She passed away, and it was the middle of the afternoon. My immediate family went to the store, and I'm alone in my apartment, standing there in the living room, trying to figure out what should I do. I was fortunate enough to be on the phone with her when she passed, well, not with her, but with the family in the room, and as I'm deciding if I should just crumble and fall apart or if I should book a flight, she showed up in my living room in spirit form. She showed up right in front of me, not even like, you know, how you can catch stuff out of the corner of your eye, not even that it was right in front of me. She was about 70% solid, and oddly she was standing sideways, and she turned and looked at me and winked and smiled, and then just like popped right out of the scene, like she popped in, and I gotta tell you, I was, I was frightened. I was, that was not something that I even hoped for or thought about, or anything. So, it really startled me. It really startled me. And I went to bed that night. I didn't say anything to anybody. And the next morning, my husband at the time said, I had the most realistic dream about your grandmother last night. This is what she was wearing, and he described exactly what she was wearing when she showed up in spirit form the day before, and that kind of, that kind of made me a little unsettled. So that was the beginning. I decided I'm going to figure out if this is grief, if that was just a hallucination from grief, or because that's what my mathematical brain wanted to think, or if there's something to this, like, could it be real? Could we really have a connection, and that's that was the beginning of me diving in. I love telling this story, because I made a really good friend, I knew a Tai Chi instructor. Now I was from such non-believer circles that he was the only person that I knew that I would have put into a category of spirituality. So I contacted him and I said, you're the strangest person I know, can you help me? And he was like, yes, I'm gonna help, and he loved me through it, and we joke about how I approached him later, you know, and so he helped me. He gave me a pendulum and said, "Start asking yes and no questions to your grandmother, and that's exactly what I did. So I did this for a while, and I would feel hurt, like I would feel almost like falling or going over a roller coaster combined with goosebumps, and that I told myself, okay, this is her trying to reach me, and every time I would feel it, I'd pull out the pendulum, I'd ask some yes and no questions, but nothing really stuck, nothing really like went, yeah, this is absolutely it. So here I am, two months in, maybe three months, I don't remember how long, but it was a couple months in, and I remember I was on my own, I was running errands in my car, and I said to my grandmother, I said, if you're really there, I need help here, because I don't know if I'm grieving, and I'm raising two small kids, and I need to know if I need to go get some help here, because I'm trying to convince myself that this is real, I think, and just send me a sign, okay? So, little bit later, same day, I get those goosebumps again, they run all the way through me, and so I pull over no parking lot, I'm like, okay, this is it, I'm gonna get a message, and I spent 20 minutes asking her yes and no questions, but more like breaking it down into, is it about family, is it about work, is it about the.. so I got it all the way down to one single message, which was your mom is going to contact you, she needs help with money, but you won't be the one to help her, her friend will, and I said, good, excellent. This is wonderful. This is so concrete that when it doesn't happen, I can go talk to the doctor. And same day I'm driving a couple hours later, and my mom calls, and she says, 'Hey, hon, I'm in Vegas, I need you to wire or not wire me some money, transfer money into my bank, and I went, okay, so I drive to my bank. This was so long ago that I had, you know, you got to take cash out and bring it to the other bank. So I drove to my bank, got my cash. I'm driving to her bank to put cash in, and I'm thinking to myself, I've done this before. Yeah, she always pays me back. It's no big deal. We do this back and forth, so maybe that's not it, and yet she calls me, and she says, "Hey, hey, hey, did you do it? I said, "No. She goes, "Don't worry about it, my girlfriend wired me the money, and I sat in that parking lot and just had the biggest, "Oh my gosh" moment. Now I want to know what's out there. Now I want to know all this, and then it just kept developing from there.

Jannecke Øinæs 9:04

And didn't your grandmother also appear in the car at some point?

Isabeau Maxwell 9:10

At some point, she did. That was the pendulum, just that was the only communication I had with her for a while, because I know some people struggle with starting to hone their intuition, and then when it doesn't just start happening super strong right away, they get really discouraged. I'm here to tell you that it's pretty much the same way for most people, is that you have to keep practicing, and it gets stronger and stronger. It was maybe a month or two after that that I first saw her again at a retreat that I was at, and then after that I started to see more clearly. She'd come, you know, ride along with me in the car, all that kind of stuff. But when I was communicating with the pendulum, it was just.. I didn't see or hear anything, it was just the pendulum responding to me. So that took a.. that took. While to develop, but the more I did, the clearer it became.

Jannecke Øinæs 10:05

Could you try to explain and describe how it's like having your deceased grandmother next to you in the car? Like, do you actually see her, or is it more like just a sense that I sense your hair and I hear your voice, or is it like you're here, and I can see you? I see dead people.

Isabeau Maxwell 10:27

Yeah, I see dead people. Exactly. It's um, it's a great question, because I think that it's also discouraging for some folks to hear mediums say, well, I was looking at her and she showed me this, and she showed me that, because we receive that message, no fault by the medium. The medium's just describing what's happening, but that message can be received by others, thinking that we see so clearly, like that they're in full form, and you know, full voice, and everything else, with the rare exception of like 1% of the population, the rest of us, we see, but it's, it's more of a combination of seeing and knowing, and this is the way I describe it. If my guide wanted to tell me green apples, and they wanted to show me a green apple, it would be like standing in a room, and there's a table, and there's an apple on it, but the room is very dimly lit, and I'm looking at it, and I can almost make out that it's an apple, but the reason I know it's a green apple is because that is my, I know it is like I know what I'm looking at, so the visual itself is there, but typically faded or very transparent, and it's not like a movie screen.

Jannecke Øinæs 11:45

And is it the same for you? I've heard this before, and actually, my mother had an experience where she saw my grandfather, and he appeared in his 30s, like in his best age. And I've heard that before. Is that your experience as well, that they show themselves in their 30s at their best age.

Isabeau Maxwell 12:07

Sometimes, for me, everyone's intuition is very different. So, for me, they tend to show me in the age that they passed, and then if we're having a further conversation and they want to talk about a time period in their life, then they'll go back to that age, but I know a lot of mediums where they see people like in their prime or in the younger years, and they don't see them when they pass. It's fascinating to me how everyone is so different, everyone is so different with their intuition, and I love that that experience happened in your family. Is she highly into, she highly intuitive, open and visual?

Jannecke Øinæs 12:47

No, no. So I was a bit like jealous. Why did you see him? Yeah, right. That's exactly the thing she needed to see him because she.. we were going through a very tough time in our family, and she was especially going through something difficult, so he showed up for a deeper reason, and it was powerful for the whole family, and I think that healed so much at that time. Yeah,

Isabeau Maxwell 13:13

this makes so much sense.

Jannecke Øinæs 13:15

Yeah,

Isabeau Maxwell 13:16

yeah, I remember when I first opened up, and I was very shy telling people that I was a medium, and again, this is also 20 some years ago, so it wasn't as popular as it is today in pop culture, so some people didn't understand it, so that's where I would have to explain it, and I ran into a lot of individuals who would say two things, first thing they would say is I don't believe in any of that, but then the second thing that they said, because I would always wait for that second sentence, because it came every time they'd go, but there was this one time when this one thing happened to me, and I think everybody has a one time, whether they believe it or not, and Spirit is really good at knowing how to support in times like that, so I'm really grateful that that happened for her.

Jannecke Øinæs 14:02

Yeah, me too. And back to your story, from what I understand, like you didn't have much spiritual knowledge, like speaking of that guy you contacted, like please help me, and you didn't read a lot of books, like you actually were educated by your guides, which to me is a testament to that you're actually receiving, you know, this guidance for real, and one of your guides was called Big Dog.

Isabeau Maxwell 14:30

Big Dog, yeah, Big Dog was the first one. So I was working with my grandma for a while, and then I got really comfortable with this idea that I just had her on direct dial, and that I could just talk to her, you know, and I was visiting a friend's house. As I leave, they're in like a small little patch of woods, and as I'm leaving, I can see this look like a like a heat signature. When you see that wave of heat on a hot road, it looked like that transparent kind. Kind of thing, but it was in the shape of a person, and I was really puzzled by that, right? Because in my mind, I'm just.. I'm good with my grandma, I'm all set. And every time I would go to the friend's house, when I would leave, I would see that, and I was pulled toward it. I did.. I was like, kind of like, I have to figure out what this is, so I asked my friend if I could go by myself and go sit out in the woods. They said absolutely, of course you can. And I did, and I heard a voice say come back next Friday. I don't remember the first one, but and I would come back next Friday, and then I heard a man's voice say come back next Tuesday or next Thursday, and that went on for a little bit, and I remember thinking, if I can hear you, why are you like you having to come back? Right. Well, turns out it was a commitment thing, and that makes sense to me too. But when I came back one more time and said, "Is this commitment, are you like looking to see if I'm committed to this situation and to meeting with you, and are you ever going to tell me more? And that's when he started to say more, and I heard him for a while, and then I started to see him more clearly, but it took a, it took a couple weeks for me to see him more clearly, and mind you, at this point I still have, I've told like three people that this has happened to me, because I, I just, I was so worried about what people thought of me, all of those things were still very alive in my system, and here I am

Jannecke Øinæs 16:28

Reluctant, right?

Isabeau Maxwell 16:29

Yes, I was very reluctant. I was very reluctant, because to be fair, it's not correct, but to be fair, 30 years of being taught that psychics and mediums are frauds, and they're making it up, and they're all this. Well, then when it happens to you, now I assume that everybody I meet is going to think that about me, but yet it's really happening to me. So it was, it was a little bit.. I might have done like a little bit of therapy in the beginning, I, it was helpful, but I had some pretty intense programming from childhood, so here I am. I haven't really talked to anybody, so yeah, I had zero spiritual knowledge. I had so little knowledge that I didn't even know what a spirit guide was, and yet here I am, sitting with this spirit guide. So that's where he started. He was like, you know, everybody has spirit guides, I'm one of yours. And I remember saying, well, what's your name? You know, that was kind of cool. What's your name? And he said, which one? And that opened up the whole door of past lives, all of our lives happening at the same time. Like, he taught me everything about the other side, crossing over intuition, how it moves through our system, and I spent two years learning from him. Absolutely loved it. It was one of the best. He was very good at giving me, like, a less, like a teaching lesson, and then the following week I would see it in other places, like somebody else would say it, like past lives aren't linear. And then that week I'd hear three other people say past lives aren't linear. So it was great. He helped me. He knows I need a little bit of proof. He knows that got a little bit of proof makes me comfortable, but that was my training. Yeah, it was from him, and I didn't read any books. I mean, I read The Four Agreements, because that's a fantastic book, you know. And I've read a couple books, but he was the only one I learned from. I tried learning from a couple of living teachers, but it wasn't a good fit. It wasn't a good fit. I found that they, and I think this is just the circumstances of the ones that I found, because I've met many amazing teachers, but back then I think both of them, both of the teachers I tried to work with, would just give you a tool or like give you an object or something, and then just say, 'Read it, what do you get? And I'm like, 'How do I read it? And they're like, 'You just do, and I'm like, 'Okay, this isn't helping me, I need to know how to do this. I need like a formula or something, and that's why I kept relying on Big Dog, because he was the one that said this is how you read, this is how it comes through you, this is what you're doing, and that was really helpful for me. So, yeah, everything I learned I learned from mostly from him,

Jannecke Øinæs 19:19

and I'm curious, like, do you get the teachings then in whole sentences, like you're actually hearing, because I'm so amazed every time I interview guests like yourself, that you know I was taught this and taught that, and I learned this. It sounds like you are at a course, you know, sitting there learning all these things, but do you actually get full sentences in your head, or is it like bits of pieces, and you have to put them together.

Isabeau Maxwell 19:45

It is with him. It was full sentences. It's not always, but with him it was very conversational, like I'd ask a question, and he would respond, or he would say, 'This is what we're going to talk about today. So that Q. Mutation for me was super strong, and I would say most of the time it's conversational like that, but it's more in little bits. Tell them you know happy birthday, or tell them that I went to the theater with you last week, or something like that. So just a little quick thing, but for him it was much more conversational, and I think it's because being my teaching guide that was the connection that we had, whereas if I connect with another spirit who's maybe like struggling with their transition or somebody's grandmother that's on the other side, it's usually just the just need to know information, you know, tell them rabbit or tell them you know Labrador Retriever or something like that, so it's usually just snippets and people ask a lot, you know, do you hear it like you hear another person talking to you, and I don't, I actually do hear it in my mind, but it's got a different, like, hue to it. It has, like, a, you know, more of a masculine feel to it with him. Yeah, so the voice is just slightly different.

Jannecke Øinæs 21:14

I've just heard a voice, I think, two times that I remember, and they were insignificant, and it's just so strange, you know. Why didn't I hear something that had real value? It was one time where my mom was sort of waking me up from just sleeping on the couch. She was like, "Janica. I heard a voice, and I was like, "What? And there was like no big deal. I don't know, nothing happened to her, the everything was okay, and then another time I was going on a date way before my husband, and I was going out of the door, and I heard it's not him, I heard it so clearly it's not him, and I'm like, great, now I'm not really inspired to go on this date,

Isabeau Maxwell 21:59

that seems like really helpful guidance. I mean, that seems like really helpful guidance.

Jannecke Øinæs 22:06

Oh, of course, of course, but it's that.. I mean, I'm.. I've been on many dates in my life, it's the only time I've heard such a, like, a direct thing and heard anything at all. So, yeah, it's fascinating. That's not my strongest skill, to be honest. Anywho, why didn't your family share more about that They knew more about spirituality.

Isabeau Maxwell 22:31

I was really sheltered by my mom, really. My grandmother was spiritual, her mother was spiritual, my aunt, my cousin, and I found all of this out after I started seeing my grandmother. So I went to the funeral and went up to my cousin Molly, and I said, I think I'm losing my mind, but I saw Grandma. She showed up in my living room, and I'm like, that's that's crazy, right? And she was like, that's not crazy, honey, there's three of us that have seen her since she's passed, you know, it's normal. And I was like, excuse me, I didn't know this. This is how.. how do I not know this? But my mom, when I was younger, she.. she moved to a town that was about an hour away from my grandmother and the rest of my family, and I wouldn't put my mom in the most friendly category, we'll say, and she was very, very shielding. I want to think that she was shielding me from that part of the family for good. I don't know that maybe she thought that that wasn't a good thing, but yeah, she just. I, I know her well enough to know that she probably looked at every family member and said, "Not around my daughter. So, and they listened. But yeah, once once Grandma passed, and I started having conversations with family, I was like, "Wow, this is, this is amazing. They had a tradition in my grandmother's house that there was a portrait of my great grandmother, her mother, and they would bring the portrait out. It wasn't hung on the wall for a reason, because they would bring the portrait out and they would open it in its case, and she would communicate that day, and then they would put it away. Um, yeah, and so it was kind of mind blowing to me later that this was all going on, and here I am with the family, going, "Can't talk to her about it. So this is what it is.

Jannecke Øinæs 24:34

but now they know, right?

Isabeau Maxwell 24:36

Yeah, yeah,

Jannecke Øinæs 24:37

yeah.

Speaker 1 24:37

Now they know. No, you're

Jannecke Øinæs 24:39

full out of the closet.

Speaker 1 24:40

I'm fully out of the mute closet. Yeah, yeah. Now I'm fine. I've done wonderful amounts of inner work. If somebody says, "Hey, what's a good reason to get on a spiritual path? Your life will improve. It's going to get a little bumpy at first, right? But your life will improve, you end up doing inner work, you end up reviewing your programming, and who you know, who you really are, and the only thing that can result from that is good, right? You learn how to set boundaries, you learn how to stop people pleasing, you learn how to really live your life, and it's a wonderful thing. So I'm grateful that I opened up, and I'm not worried about what people think anymore.

Jannecke Øinæs 25:29

I couldn't agree more. I could

Isabeau Maxwell 25:31

right

Jannecke Øinæs 25:33

Oh yeah, I mean, your whole life changes, and it's not like it's perfect or anything, like I'm still working on all these things, but it's just different. It's just much more magical in a way.

Isabeau Maxwell 25:45

Yeah,

Jannecke Øinæs 25:46

the afterlife and the crossing over process, it seems like that's your specialty. And I'm curious about, I think I've heard it talk about that when some are not crossing over and they're in this in between state that they're actually there fully just without their body, or can you just explain the crossing over process and why some are not fully going into the lights? Let's go there.

Isabeau Maxwell 26:16

Absolutely, so in addition to teaching, so let's go back to Big Dog, two years in, and at the end of two years, more like the third year, he said to me, I want you to take everything that I taught you and bring it out into the world, and so I did, and so that's the Sage method, so that's the like the professional thing that I do, is I teach people how to hone their intuition, crossing over work is is more of a calling that I do in private, so if I come across a spirit that's stuck, or if my guides say, "Hey, we need you to go here because there's some spirits that are struggling with their transition, I do, so I don't do that for money, but it is how I'm wired, so that's kind of the two categories, but crossing over is very close to my heart. At first, I was really concerned because I had all of the, you know, 1980s horror movies like rattling around in my skull, and I'm like, what do you mean? I don't want to deal with anything haunted. Have you seen the movies? Like, so, at first I was really frightened by it, by the concept of it, but I started to get into situations where I would run into a spirit that needed assistance, and this thing kicks in, right, where it's kind of like if you saw a little kid on the side of the sidewalk, standing there, all alone, lost. You're going to help the kid, so this thing kind of kicks in when I run into a spirit that I can tell is struggling with their transition, that it's like, hey, let me help, I can help, and the process is not as sensational as you know the movies make it out to be. In essence, when we're here on earth, we have three bodies. We have our physical body, which are these wonderful meat suits. We have our programming body, which is our mind on linear time - it's who we are in this lifetime. And then we have our spirit. So, those three bodies are running around earth together for the lifetime. When a person passes away, they let go of the physical body, but they're going to take the programming body and the spiritual body through the in between to cross over. When they cross over, they will release the programming body, they'll release this mind, this version of yourself, and they'll cross over, and they're in full spirit form at that, at that point, so it's kind of like, like it's like a decompression chamber, right? like we need to go through and we need to process and review the life that we just had. Sometimes in the process of reviewing the life that we had, it can become challenging or difficult or worrisome for somebody, and that typically is because they were to be just very direct fed fearful things in life, like if you do this, you're going here, if you do this, you're going right, those types of things can be very, very detrimental to somebody crossing over the crossing over process, going through the in between, as we've heard from so many amazing near-death experience individuals. I haven't had that experience myself, but when you listen, the similarities of all of them are just striking. It is automatic. It's like it's like a people mover, like you're just walk, you're walking on the people mover, and when, when you stop on purpose out of some sort of a concern or fear or anything like that, then it slows the transition process. I know a lot of people don't like to hear the term like that a spirit is stuck. Like I get that, I understand it, because that sounds a little bit fearful. It's more like digging their heels into the side of the people mover and going, hold on, wait a minute, I don't know if I want to go there. Here's what happens in the in between, because then this leads to the next question of, well, why would somebody stop if it's automatic and the lights up there and everything's beautiful in the in between, the one thing that blocks you from manifesting anything you want doesn't exist, which is the physical body. You've left the physical body behind. So, in the in between, if you make a decision that you're in a giant candy store, you will feel like you're in a giant candy store. If, in the in between, you feel like you're running through a field of daisies, you will be running through a field of daisies. Also, in the in between, if you stole a pencil in third grade and your grandfather told you you were going to go to hell, that's what's going to be up ahead of you. So, there's a lot of, or if you were told that you'll never be able, there's no such thing as mediumship, and you can't communicate with your kids. I've run into moms in the in between who were like, I don't want to go because I don't want to lose this connection. So a lot of reasons why people slow their transition is because there's a lot more reasons than this, but the majority of cases are individuals being concerned about something, and then stopping that automatic flow. So, as somebody that helps with that, which, spoiler alert, everyone can, right? It's not, but I'm just really pulled to it myself. We all have the things that we love to do the most. Helping somebody is just showing up for them, is really just showing up for them, and saying, hey, you know what's going on, or just going to send you a bunch of love, let's just relax a little bit. Is there somebody on the other side that's waiting for you? You know, just work, it's different situation every time, and then that kind of, that kind of removes their feet from the from being wedged a little bit, because the only way to really stop in the in between is to be like laser focused in on one thing, and once you get them to kind of let go of that focus, that automatic starts again, and the closer they get to the other side, the more comfortable they're feeling, you know, there's there's there's no fear there, you can't have the negative emotions over there, because there's no linear time. So the goal is is just to show up for them, love them, support them in the way that they need to be supported, and then they they continue on with their transition.

Jannecke Øinæs 32:39

All right, so I'm super curious about the in between a few questions here, can they stay there for a long time, even though it's not linear time, but can they stay there for like eons, and is this what we refer to as the lower astral realms? Like I'm curious about this in between place, how it's

Isabeau Maxwell 33:03

well, we talk in terms of location, because that's how we function as humans. The reality is it's a matter of changing vibration, and the faster something vibrates, the more transparent, right? The more like water is different than stone, and when you let go of that body, you instantly are vibrating faster, because that vibrate is that vibrating body is going to keep you at a lower vibration. So let me say that again, that vibrating body is going to keep you at that lower vibration. So now you're able to resonate at kind of a higher vibration, but having the programming body, the mind, the, you know, the programming of who you were in that lifetime still kind of keeps you in that, in that mid level, once you're able to review that and go through that experience of like, what was what did I do, what did I experience, what did it mean, all the things that we want to collect to bring to the other side. Once we're able to let that go, then we're in the vibrational state of source, really. So, source is here, we are here, it's all in the same place, it's just like it's on a different radio station, you know. It's like turning that analogy is not going to last much longer, I think, but it's like changing the dial, you know. You got to get from one to the next and then to the next, but the radio stays in the same spot, so it's just sort of fine tuning your vibration, I think I missed your first question, because I think you asked two one right?

Jannecke Øinæs 34:44

If they can stay there for a long time, and I'm also curious whether they know that they're that they died.

Isabeau Maxwell 34:53

Yeah, you can stay there for a long time. There are some traditions where Anne said. Investors have committed to staying in the in between to support their, their family. There are secret societies and such where they understand the in between very well, and they can stay there to do positive work, things that are good. I haven't seen anything like that that was not benevolent, but yes, somebody can stay there if they consciously understand the structure of it and how it all works. Some people have been there for a very long time, but aren't aware of how long they've been there, and then you have people that have been there just for moments, but feel like they've been there for a long time. So it's all across the board. On a very rare occasion, you'll run into somebody that doesn't understand what's happening to them, but for the most part, most people, it's a pretty fast transition, because you're going from linear time to nonlinear time, and the closer you get to nonlinear time, the more everything becomes more immediate. You could say,

Jannecke Øinæs 36:08

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Isabeau Maxwell 37:26

Yes, yes, so many beautiful traditions across the world. When you find cultures that discuss the death process, or they have family members sit for the person for days after the passing, any tradition that really honors the journey back home, I find that less people from those traditions struggle with that, because they kind of understand where they're going, right. And then the complete opposite end of this is somebody who is, you know, doesn't believe in any of it, and thinks that when they pass, they just go back to worm food. Fair, I used to think that, right? So, I can, I understand it. They struggle sometimes too, because they don't understand why it's not over, not, not all of them, absolutely not, but once or twice I've run into that as well, where they're like, this doesn't make this doesn't make sense. He was one, he was one of the funnest spirits I ever met, and he's like, you can talk to me. He goes, I don't think I'm alive anymore. It was like, yeah, I know, and he's like, you can talk to me, and I said, I said, yeah, what's going on? And he said, well, it's supposed to just end, and I was like, oh, okay, and I just knew, I'm like, okay, he's, you know, doesn't believe in any of it. I said, I think there's a door you go through, and then it ends, and he goes, oh, thank you, he left through this, because I'm like, he will surprise, you're gonna be fine, he's like a birthday surprise party surprise,

Jannecke Øinæs 39:02

all right, so So, I feel like this is an important question. So, what is your advice? Like, we're all going to go there, we're all going to die. So, when that moment comes to us, do you have any advice on what to think, what to do? Because I want to find the light just like that.

Isabeau Maxwell 39:21

Well, like I said, it's automatic. It's automatic, and actually, my advice is kind of off to the side, but, but, but it makes sense once I explain it. We are only going to experience negative things, fearful emotions, worrisome emotions on linear time, that's because you have to have Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday in order to worry about something, or in order to be concerned that something might happen, or scared of something. When you step off of linear time, those emotions don't exist, they need. Need time to exist, so if people relax into the automatic, that's what you're going to leave behind first, is that that linear time connection, and you know, anger or fear or concern. So if somebody kind of stops their transition out of fear or concern, it's going to be right away. It's going to be right away. Wait a minute, I've died, and I was told this, and so now I'm scared to move forward. It's going to be done right away, but knowing that you're not heading to punishment, you're just going back to source, that's helpful,

Jannecke Øinæs 40:39

and knowing that that light will appear,

Isabeau Maxwell 40:42

yeah, yeah, and there are people that are there to guide you to bring you back. I've heard so many stories of near death experiences where, like, a person was on the other side, they were holding their hand out, and then, and then they went to go hold their hand out, but I remember one young lady saying it was my dad, and he held his hand out to me, and when I went to reach for it, he pulled his hand away and said not yet, and then I came back, and so I hear a lot of stories in connection to hand holding, which is a very symbolic thing, so I think I think that when a hand is reached out to you and the light is there, you will instantly relax,

Jannecke Øinæs 41:30

and what about sudden deaths, where it happens so fast that you, you don't understand what has happened, like in an accident, for instance, isn't that sort of a more of a shock for the soul, and a lot of confusion. Can that be like a reason why people are lingering?

Isabeau Maxwell 41:47

Yeah, absolutely. It's not very.. I don't think it's common, because I mean only out of my own experience, right? But even sharing notes with other people that do crossing over work, it's pretty rare that somebody doesn't understand right away what's going on, like I said, you're not alone through that transition process. There are, you know, resources and loved ones and such that are working with you. So then, why do you need somebody who's crossing over? Because if somebody is stuck out of fear or concern or something, they're staying in their mind, not in their spirit. So, the spirit is going to pull you through to the other side. It's going to magnetically go to the other side, but it's that programming mind that is frightened. So, you're focused on the programming mind, you're focused in the human. I'm human. You're going to hear me a little bit more clearly than the guides that are standing right there wanting to love you and support you to cross over, so they really, they're, they're very.. I just sort of went a different way, my apologies, but it's a very supportive process, and it's one of those things where it feels like coming home, you know, it feels like if you've ever had that moment where you took a deep breath and you felt like everything was going to be okay, that's the overall feeling going through. I hope that makes sense.

Jannecke Øinæs 43:11

Good. Okay. So I'm going to ask, like, maybe a provocative question in a way, for some. I don't know, but I think a lot of people have their minds and intentions on the horrible Epstein files, and what's coming out, and I've asked a guest, a couple of guests, about it. And as a medium, do you see him actually on the other side being dead, and is he actually learning from his experience, like the whole world has his eye on him, and I'm curious whether there is like a spiritual sort of assignment that he had, or if it's like pure darkness and evil there.

Isabeau Maxwell 43:57

Yeah, I tend to not be the person who says everything happens for a reason, and you know that type of stuff. Horrible things are horrible things. Period. End of sentence, that's all there is to it. But the transition process really kind of addresses it, and this is also a reason why people get stuck. So, this is this is it's a unique process that is quite fascinating, I think. When you go through the transition process and you're reviewing your life, you go through your review. Lots of cultures talk about this in different ways. When you go through your review, you have to review every situation you are in from multiple perspectives, and this is how I explain it. So, for me, let's say that I pass, and I'm going through the in between. Let's say that when I was like 15, this isn't true, but let's say, for example, if I was 15, that I just punched someone in the face, and then I went on, you know, horrible thing again, not true, but let's. Just use it as an example. When I'm going through my transition process, I have to relive that experience as if it's real. Then I have to relive it in the, in the shoes of the person I hit. Then I have to relive it in the shoes of that person's mother, that person's father, that person's best friend, all everybody. So we come down here to have experiences, not to learn. To learn is is an experience in itself. So we're here for experiences, and the best way to understand an experience is to have all perspectives of it when you cross over. So this transition process happens now. If we apply this to somebody as dark as him, it's going to be a big transition process for him, because every single person that he hurt, he has to experience what that was, and also the ripple effect of it as well, in order to have the full understanding of the life that he had here, so I have run into many spirits in the in between that were very bad people in life, and that's a struggle, that's a struggle to go through, because it's not something you really want to do. Now, I tell people this, and then a lot of times their first reaction is, well, now I'm scared to do the transition, because maybe I might have punched somebody when I was 15, and I get that, but you also experience all the good ones too. So, when you helped somebody you know get up from a seat, or when you helped somebody cross the street, you also get to experience all of those as well. So, having many more good experiences than bad. The transition process is really a lot lighter, but it is very difficult for them in that sense. And do you see him on the other side? I do not. I do not. I have not been able to just ask anybody anything, and I don't actually know anybody that really can. It's more when they lower their vibration, then we can connect with them. So we tend to be able to see people who want to be seen or want to be connected with, because I got to tell you, I have a list, like I would be sitting there talking. There's a whole bunch of people I have questions about, so, but I do not have communication with him. What I will also tell you is, before we come down here, and this is important in talking about people that do harmful things as well. Before we come down here, we almost have, like, a meeting with our soul group, and we say, okay, we're going to go down and have a life. You're going to be my mom, you're going to be my dad, you're going to be my best friend. I'm going to fall in love with you when I'm 44 So all that happens, we come down here, and then the big pieces unfold. Now, I've, like, I've mentioned my mom, she was, she's tough, and so much to say that my childhood was really difficult. That was agreed upon before I came down here. Do I like that? No, I don't like that at all. And I wish I didn't have to go through it. I can today say that I know how to show up for other people, because that didn't happen for me, so like I took from that what I needed to bring into my teaching and working with clients and just the people that I love, but that was agreed upon, that there would be a role that would be played, and so when we come down here, even the bad people agree to play that role, I, however, do want to interject. It's very important. Every single soul is good. It literally comes from the source of unconditional love. It's the programming body that is programmed to play a role. If that makes sense,

Jannecke Øinæs 48:58

it does make sense. And I've also heard that even though from a higher, higher perspective, they are part of source, they are making a choice to experience a lower vibration and might do so for a while until they will eventually also go into the light, but it's a choice, and it's not judged. That's what I've learned. So, perhaps he is in the in between and lingering there to, I don't know, do something else. Or, yeah, it's interesting that you wouldn't be able to connect with him. Is that on him? Like that, that

Isabeau Maxwell 49:39

would be on him. It's easy for me to connect anybody that is in the in between that is lingering is easier for me to connect with. That's where my vibration really kind of resides. But for those that are on the other side, I can request, I can ask if it's possible to speak with them, and if there's. Purpose for them to speak with me, then they will, but they typically won't just kind of come on, come on down to talk to you, because you called on him. I, here's my theory, I think he's crossed over, and this is why, even though I haven't had any contact with him, I haven't, you know, there's, there's not been that hasn't been a topic on my plate. I actually look, I think, a little bit more toward focusing on, you know, the victims and how to help energetically there. I think people who come down here and play the role of narcissists, we're just going to leave it at that. I'm going to leave it as a general term of a narcissist. I don't think they get stuck much. I'm going to be honest with you, I don't think they get stuck much, because they don't struggle with empathy, they don't struggle with feeling bad, right? If I did do something bad to somebody at the age of 15 and I went through that in my transition. I would feel really bad. Okay, so somebody who lacks empathy is going to experience all of those aspects of of that transition experience in a little less empathic type way. They're still going to be aware of the damage that they caused, but I don't know that somebody of that nature would find that horribly disparaging. So I think that it makes it a little bit easier for them to process through.

Jannecke Øinæs 51:37

Good to jump over to the shift of consciousness. I know that your guides, or your guides, started to speaking, it started to speak about it. So, what are your perspectives on the shift of consciousness, the times we find ourselves in, everything we're seeing around us now? And could you talk about the energies to come, perhaps the next few years?

Isabeau Maxwell 51:59

Absolutely, being open for as long as I've been open intuitively, I have seen um spiritual awakenings come and go. I've seen end of the world come and go, like a lot, and every time I would tap into those in the past, I didn't feel anything. I didn't feel any connection to it. It was like, okay, well, either I'm not a part of it, you know, whatever the spiritual awakening is, or maybe it's just being translated, you know, however it's being translated, but this time around it I'm feeling it strongly. Actually, 2019 my now guide, his name, his name is Peter. 2019 he told me to take the Sage Method course, which I had been teaching in person for a number of years. He told me to take it and put it online, and I thought, "Okay, that's interesting, and I get it online, and then a couple months later, we have COVID, and everyone's on lockdown, and instantly I was able to build a spiritual community that was supporting people, which was wonderful, and when Covid was announced, and I share this with a lot of intuitives that I know, I didn't feel concerned, scared, concerned, or worried, and that felt weird. That felt weird, because the logical truth is that we were going to lose lives, and that that's devastating, but for some reason I didn't have an inner panic, and so I asked about that, and he said, "Well, it's not connected to the to the lives that, yes, are sadly going to pass. That is, I am feeling sadness for that. He said, "Your calm is connected to the spiritual awakening that we've stepped into. So, from that point, the way that he described it to me, and this is the way I describe it to everybody else, is the world was like a bucket of, you know, water, and it looked clear, and then Covid hit, and we all went on lockdown, and we all had to do some, some inner work, and take good looks at ourselves. People had to figure out if they wanted to be married, if they were in the right job, you know, all of these types of things came up for so many of us, and that bucket got shook. So, not only were people being more reflective within themselves, but there was a lot of people that became reactive. Also, we had a lot of political stuff come up that made it okay for people to be less than nice, I'm trying to be friendly about that, but you know, cruel to others, and so that bucket gets shook, and all of a sudden we see all the mud coming up, and we're like, wait a minute, here's all this stuff that is not okay, and it was always there, but we weren't focused on it, lots of people knew about the mud, okay, but a lot of people didn't, and the people that didn't know about the mud learned about the mud over those next couple of years. Now we get to 2026 This is a pivotal year, absolutely pivotal year. So that settles, we get some stability, right, but the mess is still. Messy, and 2026 is where it gets cleaned up, which is wonderful. So we are experiencing a time where the pendulum has has changed directions. That actually happened mid to end of last year, 2025 The pendulum was going in the direction of I, you know, individualism, corruption, hate, all of those negative kind of forces, and people were pushing that pendulum. Some people, okay, we're pushing that pendulum that way. Well, mid to end 2025 that pendulum started to swing the other way, and now we're heading from the I to the we, we're heading from isolation to community, we're heading into the Age of Aquarius. The astrological events that have happened this year, I mean, come on, this has been just almost fun to watch. How many astrological events have been so, so powerful, and there is a dying process happening for old systems that can't resonate in the new vibration, so this year we're moving into the new vibration. 2027 is going to be very strong, and then from there on out, I had my guide, even said to me, five years from now you're going to look back and be like, wow, we did things that way, that's kind of, that's kind of unusual. So, the changes are big, and at the time we're recording today, right, we're April 2026 right now, a lot of people are experiencing their emotions not matching what's going on around them, and this is because if, if your emotions are not reacting right, much like I said, with, with my COVID reaction, it didn't match. That's because you're already stepping into this new age of Aquarius. You're already stepping in into this new higher vibrational state, and the world around you is going to need a little bit of time to catch up the main shift for individual souls, so I'll bring this down to the person watching us today. The main shift for individual souls is 2025 2026 2027 is where we go from instead of our emotional state and our choices being dictated by exterior forces, we are going to be coming from the inside out instead of the outside in. So, what worse, what our soul wants, and the alignment that we have is going to dictate how our day is going to go, how our weeks going to go, the choices that we're going to make, so instead of waking up and saying, "Hey, what does everybody want to do? We're going to wake up and go, "This is what I want to do today. So, not in a selfish way, it's just going to be, if you're, if you're feeling good, then that's going to be more powerful than maybe it has been in the past.

Jannecke Øinæs 58:00

Fascinating. So, that is what we're being called to do now, is to go more into community, you and I, instead of just me, and also sourcing everything from the inside and out.

Isabeau Maxwell 58:13

Yes, yes, absolutely. I, when I sat with Peter, asking questions about this, because typically he would talk to me every year, but that started to become more frequent in 2025 He started talking to me every month about the next month, and I was like, "Well, are we at the peak of this? And he says, "Yeah, we've tipped. We just tipped, and so now we're heading into to where we want to go. Said, "Okay, but he showed me, like, five years from now, six years from now, people will radiate their energy, and we already do. You already do. You know, you know people that you hang around with, and every time you're around them, you either feel this way or you feel that way. They radiate their energy. That's going to become so commonplace that people are going to start to be known for that, right? So, if my energy, for example, is very cheerleading. I'm a huge cheerleader, like I just want to encourage people all day long. It's like my candy, so I might be somebody that they bring into, like, a women's locker room for encouragement, you know, like go team, just so they can feel that energy, or there might be a tense situation, and there might be a person has super calming energy, they might bring that person in just for the energetics of it. So you're going to start to see that, you're going to start to see the different types of energetics that people have, they're all very beautiful, but they're all also very unique, and you're going to start to find that those people and those energetics find little niches of how they can make change in the world, which is going to be really helpful,

Jannecke Øinæs 59:48

he said, also, because then we are more connected to our soul, or perhaps higher self, that we're more in tuned, or yeah, have like we're not. Separate anymore from our divine selves, like it's something is opening up more. The veil is thinning,

Isabeau Maxwell 1:00:06

the veil is thinning. Absolutely, we're always.. I always think that we're always really connected to our higher self. I see it more like we're wearing blinders, right, and we only are allowing ourselves to experience so much of this existence, and right now we're taking those blinders off, so we have a much bigger lens to look through on what's going on,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:00:33

and does that mean that all of us will have more spiritual gifts, or open up to our spiritual gifts, that it was sort of naturally happen, like we don't have to hustle so much or work so hard, like I feel like there has been a development from where we were taught to sit like this with a straight back and meditate, and then you could have some spiritual experiences, but it feels like it's like happening more naturally.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:01:00

Absolutely. absolutely more and more people are going to be able to experience more of their unique intuition. Some of the clutter is going to be gone, you know. Some of these old systems in the world that are dying cause a lot of our personal mental programming, and those are a lot of the blocks, you know, even if we were just to go to a matriarchal kind of society globally, that would be instantly, you know, we'd have a ton of intuition. People, there's a lot of calm that's involved in your intuition, and so when we're really nervous or stressed or high pressure, those types of things, it's more difficult to access your intuition. So, as new systems come into this world that embrace relieving that stress and bringing equality and not having to be so much into survival mode, our intuition is going to be a lot easier to access. I tell people the most intuitive person on the planet is going to be somebody who is sitting alone way up in a mountain, has no worries in the world, is, you know, completely all supplies, happiness and peace, and no issues. That's going to be the person that's the most intuitive, actually, the most has the most access to their intuition we'll say,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:02:27

right, because it is so chaotic. And speaking of that, do you see that calming down? I mean, the wars and the news, and it's just a mess.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:02:37

It is a mess. It is a mess. Yes, I do see it coming down when you take a bigger lens and look at the globe as a whole and see a lot more feminine infusion into politics, medicine, you know, space, I mean, like all of it, when we start to see that, that is a sign that we're heading into a direction of balance. I've been communicating recently with some benevolent beings that are working on bringing a lot more feminine energy into the world, and now, mind you, that's actually kind of a big deal for me, because that's not my realm, so if I'm picking up on that, then it's pretty strong, because I'm like usually the last person to pick up on that on that realm, I'm so focused in, in the in-between realm, so when I, when I had that moment, I was like, well, that's that's really cool, so there's a huge increase in feminine divine energy around the entire globe right now that started kicking in September, October 2025 so we're seeing that positive feminine coming in to get us into balance,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:03:54

but you said that the tipping point has happened, sort of we have made it. Could you share a little bit about what that means?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:04:04

Yeah, um, quick analogy, I guess off the top of my head. Imagine a huge hill, right, and on the other side of the hill is the Age of Aquarius, and heightened intuition, and more compassion, and more balance and all of that. Okay, well, when we get up this hill, the only way you can climb the hill is if you can raise your vibration. So those systems and people and experiences that are raising their vibration, they get to the top of the hill and climb over, but the ones that don't have a vibration high enough to go into the next era, they're not going to be able to climb over the hill, so this is a little bit of, you know, it's like an extinction burst where this system is no longer going to be able to survive in the new system, so it's going to, it's going to die. Right, but the problem is, is when you have broken systems and people that are struggling with those systems, when they realize this is the end, many times there is an overreaction to, like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, I don't want this to be over, and so that's what we're witnessing right now, is an overreaction to you're not coming over this hill. I hate to break it to you. I know you thought you were, but you just can't climb high enough to do it. And I'm talking mostly in, you know, the systems that aren't going to be coming forward, but yeah, they're going to have a little bit of a temper tantrum before they actually finally fizzle out, all

Jannecke Øinæs 1:05:44

right, yeah, I've heard this many times. So, fizzle out, that means that these systems, or these souls, or people who do not want, or they choose not to raise their vibration, they will go elsewhere, or be in another timeline, or dimension, or they will actually go.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:06:03

Wouldn't that be cool? That would be cool. Yeah, it would be neat. It would be neat. That's one that, yeah, that's one that I don't really.. I don't see that happening, because we have to have the dichotomy of this existence. Right? This is how I explain it to my students on the other side, before we come down, remember we got together with our soul group, and we said, "Hey, we're going to have this life. There's going to be a couple soul group members that I say to them, "Hey, in 2025 or 2026 I'm going to take off my blinders, and I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to open up to the next level. There's going to be a couple people in my soul group that say I'm not going to, so we're still going to have the life together, but they're not going to. And when I say to them, well, why won't, why won't you do that, they would say to me, because then you won't know that you did. So we have to have the comparison. So there are going to be people that are still going to function the way they function, you know, they don't have the loudest loudspeaker anymore, and you know, hopefully there we can get people back into the kindness in society, right, but they're going to be people that don't open up to understanding or their spiritual awakening, and that's so that we can understand also that some, that this is even happening, because if everybody did, we wouldn't even know it's happening. If that makes sense,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:07:34

yeah, it makes a lot of sense, and it's about, I guess, from my perspective, having compassion for it all, whatever soul chooses, right?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:07:43

Yeah, absolutely. And the cool thing that I see that's coming up is if we take ourselves back 10 years ago, and I was dealing with that soul group member 10 years ago, I would be almost angrily setting a boundary, right, but if I'm dealing with that soul group member now, with everything I've learned in the last 10 years, just as a person and spiritually, now it's done with love and compassion, and how can we still move together in this world without you, you know, slowing me or stopping me or anything like that, but also without, you know, you being lost as well. That's kind of how I see it unfolding. Yeah, there's still still be with us, they'll still be hanging out, you know. Thanksgiving dinners will still be interesting, but you know, there'll be a lot more peace and calm about it. That's what we'll say. That's what we'll say.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:08:38

That's good news. Yeah, I'm curious now. At the wrapping up this episode, this has been super interesting. What is the deepest spiritual insight you've received through this mystical, magical journey you've had?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:08:53

Oh, the deepest insight, I think there's a lot of them, but I think that the one that fascinates me tremendously, is that past lives are not linear. That's, that's the one that really, really, I don't know, I'm just fascinated by it. When we think of reincarnation, yes, there's reincarnation, but we tend to begin by thinking that it's one after another that we die, and then we come back, and then we die, and then we come back, and the reality is, if you look at it from the perspective of the other side, your higher self is like a ball of light, and it takes a speck of light out, and it sends it down to have a life, and then that ball of light comes back, that little speck comes back after the transition, right, it's still a full soul experience, your full soul is here, but the on the other side, there's no linear time, which means that that life happened in an instant, which means all of the lives that you decide to have are all happening at an instant, which then takes you into the concept of you're connected to all your other lives as well, so because it's. A full soul experience in each of them, so our lives are more overlapped than anything else, and it's more a matter of where we keep our stream of consciousness. So, when I learned about that, that just opened doors to so much more understanding of how all of this works.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:10:17

Oh, yeah, it's mind blowing.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:10:19

Yeah, it's so, it's a, it's a fun thought process,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:10:24

it is for sure. And I'll get it on the other side, but for now I'm quite confused. But it's exciting, it's exciting now. Bo, this has been wonderful. One of my final questions, what is self love to you?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:10:40

Self love for me, allowing myself to be a dreamer, that's self love for me, allowing myself to playfully, and sometimes even in a goofy way, have big dreams, knowing that some will show up and some won't. For me, self-love is realizing that this is my playground, and I can enjoy it. There's going to be some bad days, we're always going to have bad days, right? But it's being a dreamer, it's allowing myself to the fun of dreaming.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:11:18

I love that. I've never heard that before. That was beautiful, and what is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:11:26

Experiences, experiences, experiences, experiences. When we understand that we came down here to have them, it's not that they all become good, right? And we're still going to have some difficult ones, but it does help even in the difficult ones to know that this is an experience we're having, and we're moving through it, right. It's another, it's another way of saying, like, this too shall pass, but not like trying to pass it off, but instead saying I'm having an experience, what am I collecting from this experience that can help really align you, but that is the meaning of life, is to come down here and have experiences together, actually, too. To say, okay, April 2026 we chat for an hour, it's gonna be really cool. All right, I'll see you down there, kind of thing. So it's, it's like, it's like, it's like a one big play that we get to come down here and have,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:12:22

yeah, all the world's a stage. Where can people find you if they want to connect with you or work with you? Could you guide them in what direction can they go?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:12:32

Yeah, I do a pretty good job at keeping everything on my main website, it's thesagemethod.com You can find me on YouTube, you know, Instagram, places like that, depends on how you like to have your podcast, so yeah,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:12:49

lovely. Thank you so much for coming to the show today, and thank you for your powerful work. It was lovely meeting you.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:12:55

Well, thank you for having me. This was an absolutely wonderful conversation, and I absolutely loved it. Thank you so much.