Finding the divine within yourself

Melissa Denyce 0:00

And then I started running into people who had had pre birth memories, I finally understood what had happened to me, I finally understood that I was having memories from the other side that had happened before my birth, and that I was experiencing the same light, and love that the Near Death Experiences talk about.

Jannecke Øinæs 0:23

Hello, Melissa, a warm welcome to the show.

Melissa Denyce 0:27

Hello, yeah, Jannecke, thank you so much for having me, I'm really looking forward to this.

Jannecke Øinæs 0:31

I've been looking very much forward to this. This is my first interview in 2024. And it was great to start with you. Because I've listened to your podcast for a long time, I think like half a year or something. And you have an amazing show, you have interviewed a lot of the same people as I have, and many that I haven't. So I'm really inspired by your show. And then I get really curious, you know about your book background, why you started this, why you're so passionate about putting out all these interviews, I think you're putting out like three or four each week, which was pretty amazing, right? And I know that there is a story but behind it, and that you've also had some pre birth memories and some near death, like experience yourself, which I assume you know very much about because you've also interviewed so many people have had these experiences. So you had after I did some research, you had a spiritual awakening at 29. But what happened before that?

Melissa Denyce 1:36

Yes, I love to share. And first I want to say that I'm also so inspired by your work. And this is also my first interview of the year is so just perfect. But I love what you have going on with your podcasts and your membership. But to answer your question, would you like me to start with my pre birth memories? Or would you like me to start with my human life? Right?

Jannecke Øinæs 2:00

Well, let's start with your pre birth memory.

Melissa Denyce 2:04

Okay, so this, I always struggle with putting this into words. So Else, I'll say that as a disclaimer ahead of time that nothing that I can say will adequately portray this, these memories occurred outside, outside of time and space, and outside of the whole human experience, as we understand things. And it's extremely difficult to find language, because for instance, time is completely different. The senses, I didn't have my five senses and these experiences, it was a deeper experiencing and unknowing. But with 30 plus years to reflect and think about what's the best way to describe these, I've been able to put some sort of language to it. So I will do my best to with the understanding. Also, I didn't even know what a pre birth memory was, or that I have them until I was in my late 20s. And I ran into other people who had similar experiences. So for my entire life from the time I was born, basically, and I have memories going way, way back, even to the time when I was sleeping in cribs. And I saw I remember when I was very young, having these memories of another place. Many of these memories I suppressed as I grew into early childhood, and learn to talk and reason and the higher brain functions coming online. And I suppress a lot of these memories. And some of them came back to me later in adulthood. And I remembered knowing them when I was very young. But there's others that I've never forgotten that I've remembered for my entire life. One of them was a glimpse of planning my earthly life. The reason why I think this one stuck with me is because when I was little, my mom used to tell me that my hair color was Auburn red. And she would say you have the hair color of the oak trees and the acorns in the autumn. And so that meant a lot to me that my mom has just a special thing she would say to me. And so it triggered my memory that yeah, I asked for this hair color. I remember that when I was planning my life. And I don't remember most of the details of that planning process. But I remember asking for red hair. And the reason I asked for red hair is because I thought that I was going to need a reminder to help me stay on track with my purpose. And the color red was going to give me a reminder of the passion and the unconditional love that I came here to develop in this lifetime. Aside from that the strongest pre birth memory that I've had that has never left me is of what I now refer to as the light and this is a impossible to put into words. It's not like I saw a physical light, I didn't see anything because I didn't have the sense of sight it was an A beingness. And an experience that precedes anything to do with the physical body and the five senses. The main thing that I remember about it is the bliss that I felt. And this bliss, haunted me when I came into the physical body, and I could not experience it again, I couldn't experience it here, I couldn't connect with it here. But if I could describe what this experience was, like, in human language, the closest I can come is to say that it was a universe sized hurricane of light and unconditional love. It was explosive power, and all consuming love to the point that we can't even comprehend it was like, love so powerful that it's almost like our physical form couldn't handle it couldn't, it would completely consume us. And I remember being like, in front of this light being like in a dark, peaceful place, and being in front of the light. And just just soaking in its beauty, like the love and the bliss and the safety that was just radiating off of it. And it was like a, a magnetic force field of love. But it was also a presence, and I understood it as the source and creator of the entire universe. And if I had to describe it, I would say that it was made up of trillions, and trillions of smaller lights. And it looked like it was one giant being that was made up of many smaller beings that were all of one mind, and moving in unison, and so the light would move, and the little lights would sparkle and move. And if they got closer, you could just feel the joy and the bliss coming off of them. And then it was as if I moved into the light, and I experienced it from a whole other perspective. It's like within the light there was, it just got brighter and brighter until there's like the sun within the light. And it was the source of all that is and it was this really intense presence of very personal love. It felt like a mother's womb like the womb of the entire universe. And it's, it really defies language. I really struggle with language here. But it was like music and math, and love and peace and bliss and eternal safety and security and comfort, multiplied by a million. And so I remember having this experience. And then I brought that into my physical life with me. And I really wondered as a young child, what is this? And why can't I feel it and what happened to it. Um, and so I'll, I'll stop with that when there because I can lead into my story of what happened in my religious upbringing, if you want me to. But a couple of the other pre birth memories that have since come back to me, is I remember being in a bright realm right before I came into this life. And I remember looking down on the earth, it was down into my right and I was up in this like, bright heavenly place. And there was another being with me, who I now understand was probably one of my angels or my guides over here, I was an orb of light. And this being was a larger orb of light. And I remember that I was getting ready to go down and enter into this physical lifetime. And I was so excited. And I remember just feeling like a child like the innocence and the joy and the freedom. And something that I've never experienced here in this lifetime is the feeling of wholeness and innocence, like I was perfect. I had never done anything wrong. I didn't have any guilt or any shame or any worries about disappointing anyone or making a mistake. I knew that I was going to make mistakes in my physical life. And I knew that that's part of the deal. That's what we come here to experience as imperfection. But from that perspective, it's really hard to anticipate what that's actually going to feel like and be like. I do remember that there were a couple of challenges that I had chosen to experience with regards to my physical health. I don't remember what they were. But I do have suspicions now that I've actually experienced some things that I think I know what those challenges were, I think one of them relates to a neurological disorder I have that's causes my breathing rate to be slower than normal and causes me some issues. And then another one is, neuro send neurodivergent issues that I have going on, that has caused me some social anxiety and a number of other challenges in my life. But at the time, I was so excited to experience these things. And I really thought, I'm gonna go down there. And I'm just going to do this. And it's, and I knew that I was going to make mistakes, and that it wasn't going to be easy. But from that perspective, I just thought, I'm going to nail this and I'm going to do it so well. And it's going to be so much fun and so awesome, and so exciting. And I just couldn't wait to get started. So I have that glimpse of a memory. And the final one, which I can mention is I remember, and I don't know where this was in time in relation to when this happened, or if there is even a win. But I just have a memory of being in a realm of light. And when I was a really young child, I thought of this as the garden of light. And it's where I was there with other souls. And we all felt again, like children like young, innocent, completely joyful souls who had never known guilt, or disappointment or anything like that. And I remember there was a brilliant being of light, who I've called Jesus, and I was raised in the Christian faith. So perhaps I just put that name to it as a child.

But he was a male being and he was completely made of light, and joy and innocence. And he would come and visit us there and teach us things. And I remember him teaching us things about the earth about how the angels don't use violence and don't, because sometimes we picture angels carrying swords and being Gods aren't like God, soldiers, or whatever, and fighting demons and fighting evil. And he was teaching us that's not actually what they do. They use love, they use healing their power is love and healing. And their job is to heal the world and to heal relationships, and to heal people physically, mentally, and emotionally. And so that's one thing that I remember being taught in that realm of light, everything there was made light of waves of light. And there wasn't really separation between beings and objects. So beings would be like more concentrated waves of light. But those all of our light would flow into each other and into the air, not that there was air there, but into the realms around us. And I could feel the light within me and it was joy and innocence were the two predominant emotions that I remember. So that's a summary of the pre birth memories that I can remember now and that I can put into words somewhat easily.

Jannecke Øinæs 13:26

Thank you for sharing. That's, that's a lot like you remember a lot. And I get many questions, and I just want to jump into some of them. And we could speak more about your human life later on. Ark is I've always been curious about who we are on the other side. So did you sort of feel yourself as an individual souls like, I am me. And now I'm going to be Melissa, like this character of Melissa. Like, I'm curious about that, like, who were you who were looking down at this earth? Or being in this garden? Is this life?

Melissa Denyce 14:07

Yes, I definitely experienced myself as an a presence. I don't, maybe not an individual in the sense that we experienced it in this world because I was not attached to any story or any character, like no story about who I am, like in this world, we, I would say, I'm a mother, I'm a human. I'm a female. This this is my likes and my dislikes and my passion and my purpose there. I didn't have any of that.

Jannecke Øinæs 14:38

I was simply personality either.

Melissa Denyce 14:42

I would say there was probably a yet there was somewhat of a personality, but it wasn't there was no attachment. My personality wasn't how do I describe this? So So let's say that here in this life, one of my personality traits might be, I'm trying to think of a good example, let's say, I tend to struggle with anxiety here. So let's just say part of my personality is a tendency towards anxiety. Maybe that's not a good example, because that's not something you would have on the other side. But, and so I might have an identity wrapped around that, like, I'm an anxious person. And because of that, I'm afraid to drive on the highway, or I'm afraid in social situations or, and this is part of who I am. So on the, in that pre birth state, I might have qualities to my personality, but there was no identity wrapped around it, like I am this. And because of that, I will do this or act in this way. Does that make sense?

Jannecke Øinæs 15:53

Yeah, it's quite interesting. So with your experience, and now having interviewed so many others about pre birth experiences, because I know it seems like you focus on that a lot on your channel? Where would you put like, how would you make sense of, of sort of a larger picture here of how we plan our lives have detailed we plan our lives? Like, do you feel like your experience are similar to other people's experience? Or is it unique? And how does it sort of what what does it tell you about creation?

Melissa Denyce 16:31

Yes, as far as the pre birth experiences, I, a lot of people I've talked to have a more in depth memory of actually planning their lives and working with their guides than I do. I just have a brief glimpse of that. But what I can say like in that glimpse, there's, I remember, like a lot of knowing about who what was going to happen and why. What I can say is that I remember knowing that, first of all, everything is joy and bliss and perfection. And we are eternally safe and secure and loved at all times. And these lives that we're living, are something that we choose to do with joy. And there is in my memory. And in my experience, there's definitely an element of learning. I know some near death, experiencers will say that we're perfect, and there's nothing for us to learn, which is also true. And I don't have enough of a broad scope of memory to know, to remember why we're doing this in the first place. But I do know that it is all chosen with joy. It's about learning and the learning. This might be hard to believe from this side of things. But from that perspective, it's all very gentle. It's all freely chosen. It's all perfectly guided, and all working out to perfection. And and so it's like, this is a really valuable experience where we get to have some challenges, we get to do it for fun, and for the joy of doing it. And we get to learn along the way and develop our spirits. So that's what I remember about it.

Jannecke Øinæs 18:30

Very interesting. And I know that you know, you've started your YouTube channel, I think you've been doing it for three years. And I would assume when you have memories like that, that you carry a lot of this love with you and you receive some answers. And I've come from a totally other place. Like I was desperate after some proof that there was things on the other side, and I loved learning about it. I loved speaking about it. So it was really coming from a place where I just needed answers that I started the channel. And I felt very lost. And I felt it was so healing. But I assume that there's a story there in your human life that brought you to your work today.

Melissa Denyce 19:15

Yeah, that's such a good question. And I would say that I feel like my journey is more similar to yours. In the sense that you would think having these memories, like you said that I would bring more of this love with me, but that wasn't necessarily my experience. I didn't understand what they were. And I was very shocked by the harshness of this life. I remember as a child and still as an adult. I cannot wrap my mind around why we have things like wars and like all of these things that happen in the world. I just don't understand it. And I do doesn't necessarily bring the feeling of love with me. I would love to say that I did. But I I did, I actually felt very empty, and very like desperate, like you said, trying to understand why can't I feel this bliss again. And so for the majority of my life like as a child or teenager and a young adult, I was it was more selfish, I was say about, I'm trying to seek this divine bliss, because I wanted to feel it again, I wanted to feel good, I didn't want to feel the pain and the suffering. And I was raised in the Christian faith. So I was taught about God from a Christian perspective. And so I assumed from an early age that this must be God that I was not necessarily remembering, because I didn't understand that I had a pre birth memory. But I just thought I must be having this, as they say, in the Christian faith, they'll say everybody has a God shaped hole in their heart. And I said, that must be what this is. And that must be why I have this desperate longing to feel this bliss. Again, I somehow just understand this. And I thought everybody else did, too. And so I spent most of my life seeking for this divine connection within the Christian faith. And it, I never found what I was looking for in the Christian faith. So I became very disillusioned with it at a certain point as an adult and began thinking, I must have just made this whole thing up. There's no point to this because I, I searched and I searched, and I searched for so many years, and I could never feel that bliss. About the time I was 29 years old. I discovered near death experience accounts online. And I was really at a breaking point in my life where I, I guess, life had broken me down enough that I was willing to consider a perspective outside of the Christian faith that I had been raised in. And when I read Kimberly Clark sharps near death experience account, and it was exactly what I remembered. And then I started running into people who had had pre birth memories, I finally understood what had happened to me, I finally understood that I was having memories from the other side that had happened before my birth, and that I was experiencing the same light, and love that the Near Death Experiences talk about. I very quickly deconstructed my Christian faith within a matter of months. The deconstruction itself was very painless for me, because I was I had finally found the answers that I was looking for. And so it was easy for me to let go of that. And at that point in my life, I felt very alone in my beliefs, because I was still surrounded by Christian community, which is absolutely nothing wrong with that most of the Christians in my life are beautiful people, and I respect their faith. But it's always hard when you're leaving a faith that can be dogmatic, when everybody in your life believes that you're on the wrong track. And nobody really wants to is really interested in hearing what you have to say, and how you came to that place in your journey. I just felt like, I need to talk about this. There's no way I can just continue to hold all of this amazing knowledge that I've learned inside me. And so that's when I went to YouTube. And I started making some videos, I think one of the first videos I put out there was about my pre birth experiences, because I thought there has to be someone out there who's had a similar experience, or who at least wants to talk about this with me. And as it turns out, there was a lot of people and so it really grew pretty quickly. And we've discovered, like you and I and other people who are doing these interviews now have almost it feels like like been at the forefront of this wave of people who are becoming aware and awake and looking for this type of information. And I say that because when I first started doing this back in 2019 2018, I think is when I first started there, there definitely wasn't as much information out there about this on the internet. There was a few like really well known near death experiences and a few people who were were doing near death experience interviews, but weren't, weren't getting like a lot of traction, and then it really exploded over the last few years. So anyway, I'm kind of going off topic, so I'll stop there.

Jannecke Øinæs 24:53

I love listening to you. And especially because I am I'm sort of doing the same you know, I I've observed the same like, in the beginning, because I've been doing this for a very long time. It makes me feel quite old, but still doing it. I'm amazed. But yeah, it's my favorite thing. Yeah, I remember on Anita moody on the you know, Dr. evenness, stander, neurosurgeon, they got a lot of traction and attention. And all of a sudden, so many people have near death experience says. So, which is amazing, because it does share human experiences from another level, like stories that haven't come forward that needs to come forward. I got curious, however, like, have you had the thoughts sometimes that, okay, there's so much out there. But, you know, like, like, with everything we have good and bad. We have people with good attentions with people with bad intentions and some want publicity and others are real authentic, like, how do you differentiate when you're interviewing people who sort of are the real deal coming from the heart and not the ego wanting to, you know, have publicity, but wanting to actually share a story?

Melissa Denyce 26:07

Yeah, I've definitely noticed the same thing. Like you said, In the beginning, there's just a few stories. And it's obvious that they were authentic, because people would get so much pushback from putting their story out there. But now, like you said, the good and bad side of everything, the good thing is that we can talk about these things and share these profound spiritual experiences with a lot less judgment from the public than we could in the beginning. But at the same time, it it creates an opportunity for people who just want to get publicity or make money or build a platform, and it can be a lot more difficult to tell the difference. For myself, I tend to be drawn to people who just have a story to share. And I don't have a foolproof way of telling, I mean, one thing that I will usually do is go look at people's, what they're offering. And if it's a really exorbitant price, then that puts up some red flags, or if they email me, and they're leading with these, these are my books, and these are my services. And these are my, you know, like the focus is all on the ways that they can make money rather than on the story. And I understand everyone has to make money. And there's nothing wrong with that. But those are just a couple of red flags I look for. But my favorite people to interview are the people who just have a story to share. Who may not be the biggest name people out there. But just somebody who wants to share a story and doesn't really have a whole lot to gain from it. Those tend to be the most authentic stories, in my opinion.

Jannecke Øinæs 27:54

Yeah, I interviewed Christian Sunberg that I know, you know very well, I remember like, while I was interviewing him, I just had goosebumps, and I felt things in my body. And it just felt like so important and profound for me. It was sort of like a mystical experience right there. It just felt like the like deep happiness. Rosen mean, just hearing about it. So yeah, like, it doesn't always like touches me so deeply. But it is powerful stuff. And I along with that. I'm curious, like, what interview has sort of stunned you the most unchanged you the most?

Melissa Denyce 28:39

Oh, that's such a good question. And it's gonna be really hard for me to narrow it down. Christian Sunberg is definitely up there. Let's see. Well, I would have to say, my first interview that I did Howard storm. I mean, he's one of the more well known near death experiences. But I discovered him when I was still coming out of the Christian faith and the answers that he gave were just exactly what I needed to hear. And so I think his story will probably always be my favorite.

Jannecke Øinæs 29:17

Now, as an interviewer, I'm curious to hear you as an interviewers perspective on different teachings and even your own experiences. So do you sometimes come across different like directions and teachings that are contradicting? What is your take on that? Is it sometimes feel like oh, this is not resonating? Or that do you feel like that you believe in certain things that you would like to share with your audience and sometimes you interview somebody who contradicts that, like that is always like an interesting thing to meet.

Melissa Denyce 29:52

Yes, I love that question. And I'm sure you know all about that being an interviewer yourself. Yes, I do. There are certain topics where I'll ask different guests the same question. And they'll give a different answer. For instance, one that comes to mind as everybody wants to know about the reincarnation soul trap, which is. And some people will say, No, that's completely impossible. And in the benevolent universe that we live in, and other people will say, yes, there, there used to be one, and then it was dismantled. And other people will say, Oh, yes, there absolutely is one, don't go to the light when you die, because you'll be reincarnated. And the whole thing, it's like such a fear base and confusing topic for people, I don't even really like getting into it. But I think that I heard somebody explained this, and I don't even remember what it was. But they said that anything that we can imagine or put energy towards creating will exist in some form in the universe, so that if you believe that there's a soul trap, then you could create that reality for yourself. And I think that kind of helps to explain why there can be contradicting things sometimes, because the universe is infinite and vast and so many different. Like, even with parallel realities, different things could exist for different people. It's it like really bends your mind, though.

Jannecke Øinæs 31:23

It does. And I think we're trying to categorize things. And it's really hard because I think, exactly what you're saying if we can think it exists. And that's a scary thought as well. And then I'm like, Okay, I don't want to think about that. And what what if that is possible? And what if thought is possible, and you can go go crazy thinking like that. So, but it does make sense that the universe encompasses everything. But I did hear that you said in another interview, that it's all about love. And I always come back to that, like, the details are not so important. But that most important thing for me is that this is a love based Universe, don't you agree?

Melissa Denyce 32:04

Absolutely agree. Yeah.

Jannecke Øinæs 32:08

So you had a near death, like experience, not near death experience, but like experience? That's like a new expression for me, lately? Would you like to share what that was about? And what happened?

Melissa Denyce 32:21

Yes, yes, I would love to. So earlier, I mentioned that I had been raised in the Christian faith, and that I didn't understand what my pre birth memories were. And I spent my life just chasing supernatural experiences, and trying to figure out how to connect with this divine bliss that I remembered. And so from within the context of my Christian faith, the terminology that we would put on that would be experiencing God's presence. And so I prayed every night when I went to bed, to experience God's presence. And I knew that if I could have that experience, that all the pain and suffering of this earthly life would just be wiped away in an instant because I remembered what that felt like. And so for many years, I prayed this prayer and nothing happened. And I can't explain why something finally happened when it did, aside from the fact that I choked that maybe gorgeous, just decided that I needed a little help to stay on track. Like, let's just give her a little glimpse of this so she can get focused back on what she's supposed to be doing. But anyway, whatever the reason, I was about 18 or 19 years old, and I was laying in my bed, I was fully awake, and my eyes were closed. And I was praying my usual prayer to experience God's presence. And suddenly, I was in another reality. My experience breaks down into two phases. So in the first phase, I still perceive myself to be in my body, in my bed, in my room, but it was like I was in another dimension. Because I felt as if I was floating in an ocean of love. And I felt waves of love washing over me from my feet up to my head, and they were washing over me and through me, and when they washed through me, I felt the same unconditional love, and bliss and perfect peace, from my pre birth memories. And I felt as if I was floating in a force field of very intensely personal love. And I recognize this being of love as what I had been taught to call God and my earth flew life. And I also recognize that I had known this being before my earthly life. And I said to it kind of sarcastically, and jokingly, I said, I've been looking for you my entire life. And you are finally here, where have you been for my entire life, then I didn't really get an answer to that. But I just remember like, floating in this force field of very powerful and personal love, and feeling like, I don't ever need to go back to my life on Earth, I'll just stay here forever, and I'll be perfectly happy. And it felt as if I was being held in my father's arms and nurtured in my mother's womb. At the same time, I definitely experienced the masculine and the feminine sides of the Divine. And I felt like, I remember thinking this love is like all the loves that you could experience in the world, father, mother, sister, brother, parent, child, best friend, lover, pet, everything, all rolled into one and multiplied by million. And I just felt like I was falling back into the infinite heart of the universe. And I realized, what I had been taught in the church about how most people are going to be thrown into hell forever and be eternally lost how silly and ridiculous that was, in the face of this love that was the size of the multiverse, and every ounce of it was aware, there's absolutely no way that somebody could fall into the cracks and be forgotten, there's absolutely no way that anybody could be eternally lost. So I had this revelation. And then after that, I moved into the second phase of the experience in which I, my consciousness began to expand out of my body. And I found myself somewhere up above the universe, looking down on the earth, and this is where again, it gets hard to describe simply because time was different. So it's like there was these multiple things happening at the same time. So I'm going to describe it one way, and then I'll backtrack and describe it another way. So I can try to cover everything that happened. So on the one hand, it was like I was expanding, I realized that I could have any question answered, that I wanted answered. And as I was asking questions, I was receiving the answers, and my consciousness continued to expand and expand and expand. So I would ask a question, I would think the question in my mind, and I would receive the answer to that question, and how the answer to that question fit together with everything else in the universe. And then, that, it's like I was receiving downloads of information straight into my consciousness, there was no words, it was just like, this massive download of information all at once. So I would get this download, I would, my consciousness would expand to accommodate it. And I would suddenly know all of these things, which would stimulate more questions. So I'd ask like five more questions and get five more downloads. And this was all happening so fast. It was, it's, I felt like I was expanding at the speed of light. Another way that I can describe this expansion is that I was expanding through dimensional awareness. So we have three spatial dimensions here, the first dimension being a line, I believe, yeah. And then the second dimension being a plane, the third dimension being a cube. And every time you go up in dimensional awareness, there's so much more space that's available to contain information. And so that's what it felt like, except that I was expanding up through the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh dimensions, and I don't remember how high I went. But I remember, like breaking through this barrier multiple times. And every time I did, the freedom that I felt, I can't describe what that felt like. I felt so free and expansive and like, oh, wow, there's this whole other dimension to me. And within this dimension is contained so much information that we can't fit into our three dimensional brains. So it was a very liberating experience. And when I arrived at the top or the most expanded state that I could be in, I felt like the entire universe was happening within me and it was is all one great awareness I was this one great awareness that encompassed everything. So now we'll go back and I'll share of what I, what the things I remember that I was shown I most of what I was shown in that state was impossible for me to take back with me it was like this really complicated mathematical and logical and musical and geometrical formulas that explained why everything the way is the way that it is and why we have to suffer? And why why why all of the answers to all of our questions about why everything is the way that it is down here. And from that perspective, it made perfect sense, but it was way too expensive for us to fit into our brains. But there are a couple of things that I do remember, I remember looking down on the earth, and seeing that it was made completely of brilliant light. Everything in existence is made of the same brilliant light, that I remember from my pre birth memories, we are all one being what the Christians call God.

And what other people of the world have many different names for source universe, creator, whatever word you're comfortable with. It's all one thing. And this one thing is brilliant, light, and unconditional love. And that's what we're all made of. And I saw that all the earth like not just in a spiritual dimension, but in the physical dimension is literally made of this light. Our bodies are made of this light, as well as our souls. And I saw now keep in mind at the time, I was a Christian teenager that was just living in a lot of guilt and shame and condemnation, and like really empty and desperately seeking for fulfillment. I saw that most of the things that I had been taught in the church were wrong. And that we are all made of this unconditional love that we're seeking, and that it's impossible for us to get away from it. Even if we tried and from God's perspective, we're just like toddler stumbling around learning to walk. There's an I was told this specifically word for word I was told, you have nothing to feel guilty for you have nothing to feel ashamed of. You have nothing to feel afraid of. There's no judgment waiting for you. It's impossible for anyone to be eternally lost. Your life is proceeding exactly as it is supposed to. And we are cheering you on and guiding you every step of the way. And I cannot express how liberating it was. In that moment, to it was like waking up out of a nightmare. And realizing this whole thing was a dream. This whole thing was a play. I was acting out that isn't really me. And I'm not alone. And I didn't make any mistakes and the sense of like, from our perspective, we make mistakes down here. But all of that is accounted for within the greater plan. And I haven't messed anything up. God isn't angry at me, no one's waiting to throw me into hell. Nobody's judging me. I'm doing exactly what I'm supposed to be doing mistakes included. So that was one thing I saw. And then the other thing I saw is when I was at the most expanded state, I looked down and I saw this beautiful multi dimensional, colorful pattern. And I was told this is the cosmic Master Plan of God. And I was shown that there's one great plan that encompasses everything, and it is big enough to encompass all of our mistakes, all of our free will choices. It shifts and it moves around us as we're making choices and it brings everything back into the center of love, and everything will ultimately one day be reunited with love. That's what I was shown. Another thing that I saw when I got to my most expanded state, is I saw the key to life. And I do not remember what that was. And I remember laughing and thinking it's so simple, and we make things so complicated down here. As soon as I saw the key to life, I began contracting back into my body. And I remember feeling like I was floating back into my body on the music of the spheres which I could hear very clearly. And I also remember feeling like in for Meishan is losing my consciousness, like, going out of my consciousness like a balloon losing air. And then I contracted, contracted and contracted and came back in. And most of the information that I had seen in that experience faded away. But I still felt that force field of love with me until I fell asleep. When I woke up in the morning, that was also gone. But I felt a warm glow around my body for a couple of days. And then eventually that faded away as well.

Jannecke Øinæs 45:35

My oh my, what a profound experience with so much knowledge about the universe. Also, in that experience, like you really got a full a rich answer and experience to your prayers. Yeah, and I'm fascinated by prayers, because to me, I've, I've sort of connected that with religion. So I stopped praying for many years. And it was just a few years ago where I started praying. Because within spiritual communities, a lot of people spoke about that. No, you know, it shouldn't be like, I'm praying to something else, because I'm lesser than that was sort of the notion that I am, you know, we're all our gods. So why would I pray. But still, to me, it seems like it works to pray. And, and when you look at it a bit differently, like you could even pray to yourself in a way, like not from a place of lack, but also from a place of this is what I want to create sort of from an empowered place. I find it interesting that I've heard so many people say that they pray again, and again, and again, it might take many years, but all of a sudden, the prayer is answered. And so fully. I love that.

Melissa Denyce 47:05

Oh, yeah, I really resonate with what you said. I think a lot of people coming out of religion can tend to have that reaction, like, what what use does prayer really have for me anymore? And that's fine. If if, if prayer doesn't resonate with someone, that's okay. There's many ways to have a divine connection. But I think that prayer can also it doesn't necessarily have to be some thing worshipful in the sense of, I'm subservient. And I'm praying to this powerful being to save me, but it simply can just be communication. Because we all have a team. We have a team of angels or guides or whatever you want to call them, that are helping us and prayer can simply be a way of communicating, can you give me guidance? Can you give me some insight into the situation? And then they can work with that and figure out what's the best way? Because we're limited here and our perspective? Yes, we're powerful spiritual beings, but we're having a limited experience. And I think it's okay to ask for help. Right?

Jannecke Øinæs 48:12

That makes sense. And you mentioned somewhere in your story that you were not on purpose or something like that was something about purpose? Do you feel that this is your purpose with your YouTube channel and doing doing these interviews that you're actually on purpose now?

Melissa Denyce 48:29

Hmm, that's a very interesting question. And I would have to say that I think I would love to think so. I love to think yes, I'm on purpose. I'm fulfilling my mission. But I almost feel like for me anyway, that might be more of any ego base thing to think I have this role in them. And look at the good I'm doing in the world. Not that it would be that way for everyone. But for me, I would feel more that way to think I have this purpose to be out there in front of hundreds of 1000s of people like it could easily turn into an ego thing. Then I think maybe for myself my purpose is more about like the internal spiritual work like loving developing love and being kind or L customizing heavy emotions. That's something I've had to do a lot of is really alkalizing a lot of heavy fearful anxiety based emotions and and I feel like when we do that, we make it easier for other people to tap into a higher state of consciousness as well. So if I honestly think for myself, those are the things that are more my purpose, so to speak, and then anything else that I choose to create on top of that can can only be a good thing, right? Hmm.

Jannecke Øinæs 49:58

All right. I identified with you when he talked about anxiety and in fearful because I actually have noticed that with myself, like, I haven't been that aware of it before actually, I started dating my current boyfriend. And like seeing myself more in a relationship, because I've been single for so long, I see that I'm quite anxious, and fearful. And that that's also part of why I'm doing this interview, like, you know, there's we're all on answer, like disclosure, disclosing all these layers, and that it brings me peace and healing. It soothes me to hear, you know, profound experiences like yours like that we're not alone, that I did plan this. And just for me, hearing it again and again, actually does something to my nervous system. I calm down, which is quite interesting. I've understood that now. Anywho, I want to just do ask you a little bit about your your show, like? Where do you feel your show is going? What is your intention with your show? Like? How do you work? Is it like, you just let yourself be inspired? Or do you have sort of like an intention where this work is going?

Melissa Denyce 51:21

Hmm, that's beautiful. Thank you so much for asking me. I feel like my Well, my channel has gone through several evolutions, because when I first started it, it was more of a deconstruction channel. And that really does not resonate with me anymore. And then I've been doing near death experience interviews for a couple of years now. And I really love that. But I really feel called to continue, and interviewing people who have had profound spiritual experiences, but maybe more with an emphasis on embodiment. And what does that really mean for life here? Because this is where we're at now? And how can we embody those lofty spiritual messages and bring it down to earth and create a more beautiful world?

Jannecke Øinæs 52:12

That's beautiful. Yeah. And that is important. I find that important too, because I found myself being a bit lost in the lofty things, sometimes the angels and everything. And then it's like, how to use this how to improve. Like, it's still hard to be a human. I'm still fearful, you know, all these things. Yeah. So Melissa, this has been of pure joy. And I just felt so inspired and calm. I have three questions that I ask all my guests. And the first one is, what is self love to you?

Melissa Denyce 52:46

Oh, that's, that's such a good question. That's been a huge theme in my life. But I'll try to keep it brief. I would say that self love means understanding both myself and other people as being equal expressions of the Creator. So not putting myself above or beneath anyone. Sometimes that means setting boundaries, but sometimes it also means being willing to sacrifice for another person, depending on the situation.

Jannecke Øinæs 53:22

And what is happiness to you?

Melissa Denyce 53:25

Happiness is divine bliss, connection with divine bliss. I guess that's what it's always been.

Jannecke Øinæs 53:35

And what is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective?

Melissa Denyce 53:40

The meaning of life is so simple, it's to love and it's the smallest acts of love and kindness, although we can always see it are the most powerful.

Jannecke Øinæs 53:50

Ah beautiful. And where can people find you?

Melissa Denyce 53:56

You can find me at my YouTube channel love covered life podcast. And I also have a website lovecoveredlife.com. I'm also on Instagram, Melissa Denyce, M E L I S S A D E N Y C E

Jannecke Øinæs 54:11

Beautiful. Thank you so much for coming to the show. And I just wish you all the best with all your interviews on your own spiritual journey.

Melissa Denyce 54:19

Thank you so much for having me. I've loved both of our conversations that we've done. You're so easy to talk to you and I love your energy.

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