Energetic Deprogramming: A Path to Joyful Living! With Lisa Wetsel

Lisa Wetsel 0:00

Over the next 10 years, there'll be an extreme, extreme change in human behavior and human understanding. Every individual that is walking upon the earth at this particular time is elevating in consciousness. The human structure is falling down. It's breaking and it's disintegrating, and the recognition of the soul's power is becoming stronger, but it has to start with each one of us. I have to believe that, no, I am smart enough to cast a vote. I am smart enough to become a CEO of a company. When we're breaking this energy belief system, we're breaking it a little bit at a time, which is creating the ability for it to be broken. For all humans, there's an energetic body that lies within each one of you that is elevating the consciousness. Consciousness can be divided into different dimensions in order to accomplish what is needed for the soul's existence. The soul may be in 5000 pieces at the same time.

Jannecke Øinæs 0:59

Lisa Wetsel, a warm welcome to the show.

Lisa Wetsel 1:08

Hello. Thank you for having me.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:10

I'm excited to get to know your work today, because you are an Akashic Records consultant, also a spiritual guide and a spiritual teacher, and the Akashic records is something we hear a lot in sort of spiritual circles, and something I haven't brought up that much on my show, and now I have an expert here. I'm excited to dive into what that actually is. A lot of people are thinking about the spiritual library, where all information and knowledge about your soul exists, so we'll see if that's the case. Now, first of all, I would love to get to know your story a bit like how you got into working with the Akashic records in the first place.

Lisa Wetsel 1:55

Well, I'm not like most people that do this work. I had no idea that I had any kind of gift, but it's, you know, every now and then when I was younger, I would have some things happen that were premonitions. My grandfather came to me when he passed away, my brother came to me when he passed away. But I never really tied it to anything, because I was never in the environment to understand what was happening. But I in 1996 I went to massage therapy school, and that opened up my channel. The way that we were taught to do massage therapy was more of an intuitive way, and so that opened up well, then I became the director of the school, and I had an instructor who taught healing touch. And we were just chatting one day, and I was like, Donna, you do all kinds of you got all kinds of stuff in your little toolbox over here. What all the you do? And she brought up the Akashic Records, which I had never heard of before, and this was in 2003 and so she taught classes, and she asked if I would be interested in taking a class, and I thought it would be fun just to do it. Oh, yeah, sure, whatever. Yeah, I'll play the game. Let's just do it. And probably about 10 classes later, you know, it's like, okay, now I get that there's really something to this, and it's not just a parlor trick. It's not just for the fun of it. Actually is really, really important information that's being provided. And so I've, I have been channeling the records for since 2003

Jannecke Øinæs 3:32

uh, guests who I'm interviewing are channeling this entity, or this being, or Starseeds, you know, but you seem to have sort of a direct connection with the Akashic records. So tell us what it actually is, and your connection with it.

Lisa Wetsel 3:53

Okay, so if you don't mind, I'm going to actually ask the Akashic records to explain and the reason why I have a hard time coming up with the words to be able to explain what the Akashic field is, so I just feel better at this time, just asking the records to explain themselves. And then we'll dig in deeper after that. So what we want you to know is that the Akashic field is a field of energy that holds, holds the potential and the possibilities of all things. We also want you to recognize that the history of every individual soul that is is embedded within our field creates the consciousness that allows for the history to be channeled through through our our energy consciousness. We also want you to understand that the Akashic field has, has the potential and the understanding of how to guide individuals in their individual journey so that they can succeed and exceed the souls, the souls expectations and. And needs in order to grow and elevate. We also want you to understand that the Akashic field is serves as a guide to serve other guides and support systems for the soul to conduct its journey in order to complete its task and become relevant to all that is. And this is what we want you to know. Does that make sense to you?

Jannecke Øinæs 5:22

It does, and I understand that it's hard to put words on something we don't have even a concept for as humans. And that is sort of something I come across a lot when I interview people with near death experiences that they're trying to explain to me. And sometimes I feel like I'm asking these left brain, you know, questions, and they're like, not always like that. It's more like and then, how can we imagine something that we have never experienced in a way, right? So have you actually seen it, or do we have a feeling, or is it more, more like you're tapping into, like, an energy field. Like, how does it feel like for you, actually, for connecting,

Lisa Wetsel 6:05

yeah, for me, it's more like I'm tapping into an energy field. I I do. I have all of the senses, I can see, I hear, I feel all of that. And when I'm receiving the messages, I receive all of the information I received the words, the visions, what, you know, the feeling in my body, or whatever it is that's that's needed. But when I, when I look at the Akashic field, you know, the typical story is the library, and we visualize this library, or we have experiences like, if you have this experience of walking into the library, you may see a hall with books or the book of life. You know, all of this is what's typical. That's what you know. That's what is portrayed as the Akashic field. But we have to understand that that's the human version. You know, we when, when people think about something in our human construct, we always want to put, put it in a way that we can process it. You know that our mind can process it. But for me, when I am in the Akashic records, when I'm channeling like I am right now, I feel the energy. I don't necessarily see, see anything that pertains to this energy field, but I feel it. I know it. I know that when I'm in it, you know the information? You can tell that my language changes whenever they speak. I know that I'm there, but I can't say that I've actually visually seen something like the great hall or whatever, because usually what I'm talking to is when I'm channeling the information. I'm not talking to the entire Akashic field. I'm talking to the specific guides that I'm communicating with in order to receive the message. So for example, if I opened your records and I was providing you with the message, then I'm specifically going to your guides and your source of information. So it's very individualized and very specific for you. It's not that I'm just standing in this open room with, you know, billions of guides that are standing around me, but I have, you know, I have seen the way that I've seen it and the way that the guides have explained it to me years and years ago. How they describe, what they do is they put it in human forms, and they explain that, you know, basically, we're in this human form as an airplane. And I'm, I'm this airplane that's flying around in this earthly field, but the soul that's in me is the pilot. And so the pilot has the direct connection to the Akashic field. And in the Akashic field, they explain it to me as like, it's like an airplane control tower, like a control tower at an airport directing traffic. And so when I connect, or the soul connects to this control tower. Then the the person, the the air traffic controller, you know, our soul traffic controller is, is in direct communication with the soul, listening to what the soul needs. You know, whether it's the souls, like my humans not can is not doing what they're supposed to do. Help send some guidance in. I need some support around me. Then the control tower hears that and recognizes it connects to other sources, whether it's our angel Angel realm, whether it's the animals, whether it's nature, whatever it is to get our attention and to help keep us on track. And so they that control tower holds our records. They they hold the flight plan. They hold the the plan that we're supposed to go down, we're supposed to, we're hoping to go down, for our soul's sake. And it is in the. Act relation as a helper to make sure that the soul has the assistance and the understanding of what I need as a human to follow my path. Does that make sense?

Jannecke Øinæs 10:10

Yeah, it does. And I get a gazillion more questions, though,

Lisa Wetsel 10:15

yeah. So, yeah. So it's funny because, you know, it's I see it more like an airport and to a library, you know, at the control tower holding all of the flight plans, is the way that they've actually described it to me, which is obviously very different than what is the stereotypical library that is, you know, that what's described normally,

Jannecke Øinæs 10:37

just for the fun of it, and not to put you on spot if you're not comfortable with it, but since you were talking about my guide in the Akashic Record, and you can go so easily in and out, would they have a message for me? Perhaps today

Lisa Wetsel 10:50

they're laughing and saying, My child, we want you to recognize that you already know this your heart, your heart is very connected to who you are, and you recognize that the coherence between your heart and mind is a stable one. We also want you to recognize that you have done well in this particular lifetime, and recognizing the old karmic patterns and the way that your life is meant to unfold. We also want you to see that the work that you have done to alleviate past pains and sorrows has has been well me basically meaning that they've done, you've done a good job in breaking these old patterns that have held you back and held you confined. We also want you to recognize that you have all of the symptoms of understanding that you're moving into a higher level of consciousness, which we call the fifth dimension. But what we would what we kindly label as the institution of joy. We want you to see and understand that by breaking the old karmic patterns and alleviating the old pain and sorrow that you have endured, you're finding that your heart is becoming more joyful and happy. We want you to understand that you do need to play more you don't play in the way that is of the childlike nature. And we want you to see that the more that you become playful, happy and joyful, the more that you will find the elevation and consciousness is coming to you. We also ask you to bring your childlike qualities to the surface and become more creative. I said we asked you to paint. I have no idea why

Jannecke Øinæs 12:21

I cannot paint. I cannot even draw. I have no talent drawing. Yeah,

Lisa Wetsel 12:27

and that's why they're saying you need, you need to play so. And what I'm seeing is that, you know, like when you were a kid, we had, you know, we have this ability when we are children, that typically, we're kind of encouraged to be creative. We're encouraged to draw, you know, I don't know how it was, you know, and when I was a child, which was a long time ago, it's now, so I don't know how they teach kids in school, but, you know, like when I was kindergarten, first grade, second grade, you know, we had art class. And you know, it was part of our part of our learning. We would finger paint, we would draw pictures. We would color with crayons. And for you, you're you're one of the individuals that lacks the ability to to paint and create because you haven't given, been given the chance as an adult to play. And what we want you to see is that the more that you that the more that you get into your creative mode, the more that you open up your channel of communication to who you actually are and who you're meant to be. We want you to be more playful, allow your imagination to grow and become more creative, so that you can see the fullest potential of who you are as a human being and laugh more.

Jannecke Øinæs 13:40

It is something that has crossed my mind that, you know, with everything with Wisdom From North it's a lot to sort of hold and have control over, that things go okay, and that I do my job, I give my best. And I think sometimes it feels like that every evening is occupied. And I've started thinking that, especially since I interview a lot of incredible American guests like yourself, and I've started thinking about that if I always work in the evening and in the day, I never have the time to actually go out and play and do fun stuff. So I've started actually to pay attention to it. And I love playing tennis, for instance, that is play for me. I did that as a child, and I started doing it again and just going down on the court and just hanging out and playing. And I'm actually starting to make more room for that, playing with my dog, stuff like that, and having more time actually. And I need to prioritize my own private time, and I haven't been good at that, because more always come as the first thing

Lisa Wetsel 14:49

we're gonna get, kind of get off track, but I think that this is significantly important in the time that we're in. But you know where it's one of the things that the Akashic masters have said. Said over and over and over again, is this elevation in consciousness that we're going through. You know, they call it the institution of joy. So a lot of people have this thing. I I don't like the separation of the 3d to the 5d because it's a superiority thing. And I think that if people are in the 5d that they think they're superior, which is absolutely not the case. Not at all. It's simply just shifting our consciousness and letting go of old stuff that's holding us in the heavy 3d energy, but, but so what I've learned is that, okay, well, let's not call it the 5d let's actually call it what the experience is that we're going to be living or standing in when we get to the fifth dimension. So the Akashic masters have called it the institution of joy. We're moving into the institution of joy. They've also called it nirvana. So if we think about what we're shifting and changing into as we're elevating our consciousness, we're letting go, like what they said of the old heavy burdens, the old the old the old traumas, the old fears, the old pains, all of that stuff that hold us down in that heavy energy, and we're raising up. So what we're, what we're moving into, is finding our happy place, finding the ability to play more. Because you think society, this, this earth pattern, has, has put us into the belief system that we're supposed to work day in and day out with it. We're not supposed to have fun, we're not supposed to play. We have to be in think mode all the time. We're constantly analyzing. We're constantly living in fear of judgment or that I have to live up to somebody's expectations, or they have to live up to mine. You know, all of these things, all of these ideas, where, if you start thinking about those thought patterns, it'll create knots in our stomach. It creates our chest getting tight, it's uncomfortable, it's not fun. And so when we start thinking that way, if we start letting that go, then what happens? We start feeling lighter. Our heart starts opening up. We find more time to enjoy what's around us and really, truly absorb it and observe it. Okay, oh my gosh, I hear the birds singing instead of, oh my god. I gotta get this place at this particular time, and I have to have my questions ready for my podcast interview, and I gotta research my, my, my, my, then my interviewee, you know? So I have to, I have to stay in that think mode all the time. Well, what we're moving into is breaking away from that and being able to spend some time in recognizing, no, I'm not going to let that bother me anymore. I'm not going to let that dictate my life anymore. I'm going to get happy. And so in order to do that, you need to get creative. Okay, what is the creativity that is meant for you hitting a tennis ball? Okay? You know, so letting being able to let go of the mind and being able to be present in the moment and enjoy the beauty and the experiences that we're having at that particular time. And the other part of all of this too is that we're moving into being more present. And so, you know, we've been conditioned to every looking back at the past, well, this happened to me, this happened to me, and then projecting into the future. This is what I want, this is what I want. This is what I have to make happen. And so if you start thinking about both of these scenarios, we're constantly staying in the stories of our mind. And so what we're moving into is being present. Can I stay right here, right now and focus on that tennis ball that's coming at me? Am I going to get hit by it, or am I going to hit it open it thing? And so what is happening is that we're moving more into this place of being present, so that we can be more observant or observant in our guides that are helping us, the words that are being said to us, helping us go down our path and staying present to be able to work and observe all of the beauty that surround us, the birds that are flying over us, the beautiful the trees that are surrounding us, the grass that's underneath our feet. And then all of a sudden, our guides start appearing to us. Then we start seeing the magnificence of all the things that are around us and that have always been around us, but we've been so in our heads that we haven't been able to see it. So my guides are jumping in, and they're saying, This is what we want you to recognize. We want you to see the beauty that surrounds you and you specifically, because we're talking to your guide, and that, that ability to see all of the beauty that you have failed to see before, because you have been so, so conditioned to believe that your mind is in control and not recognizing that the soul and the heart are one, and they're constantly speaking and guiding you down this Path.

Jannecke Øinæs 19:39

Yeah, I can definitely recognize it. I mean, I'm getting married, and I'm like, do I have time to get married? And then I was like, okay, gosh, I gotta change some things in my life. So I actually sat down with myself and thought about, you know, what was the conflict here? Because I still want to be of service, and I love what I'm doing. And I get joy from that, but still, I sort of forgot about that part of giving myself the time to enjoy preparing a wedding and all that, and not just fitting it in, you know, this, yeah, what? Hopefully it's one time I'm doing this, you know. So I've actually cleared my schedule a lot to open up to it. And that was, that was a good feeling. So it has come to me that I need to open up for more joy and just be and calm down a bit on my do list. To Do List,

Lisa Wetsel 20:34

yeah, well, you know. And the thing about it is that we're so conditioned to, you know, this is what I have to do. This is what I have to create. I have to have, you know, do this to be successful, you know, to live in the image of what I was conditioned to believe. And this is where we are. We're moving back into what, just a second, getting married. Okay, this idea that I have to produce so many podcasts, and I have to talk to so many people because I set that goal for myself. Okay, well, let's rewind that a little bit. Let's let's just figure out what is more important, being happy and joyful and being in the moment, to be able to plan my wedding, this beautiful event that's going to be filled with flowers and love and joy and unseen and beautiful food, which is my favorite. And so, you know, the the part about it is that if we stay in this 3d structure of the Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, we're missing life, and that's what's happened to us, for, you know, for you know, for us for a century, centuries, you know, being so stuck into what makes us successful and what doesn't make us successful. You know that that money thing is always, it's always ruled us, and being able to recognize, I can break that structure down and stand and wait a second, I think I can do with a little bit less recognition. Or, you know, like, you know, working up the corporate ladder, or having so much money and my checking account. And wait a second, I need to stop and smell the roses, because I am ready to get happy, so I can let go of some of these ideas that are making me unhappy. And so, so, what we want you to understand is that the energy from the Akashic field is integrating all of the knowledge and wisdom within this particular time frame and the time period, so that individuals can see more the true construct of who they are as humans and the spiritual aspect than in the human form. This is the role that we're playing today. We want all of you to recognize that the thought in the idea of the human structure is falling down. It's breaking and it's disintegrating, and the recognition of the soul's power, which in each individual, is becoming stronger. And this is the idea and the objective. What our goal is as the Akashic masters, is to help and to assist the soul achieve this concept within all human beings. We also want you to understand that in order to do this, each individual is into, is in, each individual is individual, and each individual has their own source of support and guides, and we connect to those support, the support and the guides in order to help your soul create the journey that is most necessary for you. But what we also want you to recognize is that every individual that is walking upon the earth at this particular time is elevating in consciousness, and we are showing them the way. And that is our job.

Jannecke Øinæs 23:41

That is your job, or their job, to support and help us in the shift of consciousness. That's good news, because that means that all the workload is not just on us.

Lisa Wetsel 23:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, the in the beautiful part about it is that if we would just shut up and listen, you know, if we could just get out of our head for a minute and recognize, oh, I'm having this feeling that I need to talk to somebody, you know, and and then, and so, okay, I'm gonna go have lunch with my best friend, Kathy, and I've had something on my mind, and Kathy and I are meeting, and something intuitively says you need to bring up something that happened in your childhood. You know, maybe it's a situation that you know, you got bullied on the playground. And I feel like, for whatever reason, I need to bring this up to you, Kathy, because I know that you can be a support to me. So you bring up the story to your best friend Kathy at lunch, and you recognize that there's an energy release as you're talking about it. Well, guess what? There was your guides helping you to create that situation for you to heal an old wound.

Jannecke Øinæs 24:56

Yeah, and it seems like it's going much faster now, like. Things that I healed and spent so much time healing, it goes so fast, and it's almost like I can't catch up, because they're very to the point here about the joy, because it's almost like I'm not catching up, because there has been so much depression, darkness in my mind, struggled a lot with heaviness in my life after the depression, then it came back, and after that, also working through a lot of things from my childhood, and all of a sudden things are just so good in all areas. And I'm like, am I you know? Can I relax into it? Can I actually feel safe in all the goodness that is happening, because I've been almost like when is that next dark heaviness coming from the past? And that is a new and it has felt like this for a few years now, and that is new to me, that I just feel so good, and everything is so good and going so well. I'm like, Is this really happening?

Lisa Wetsel 26:08

Yeah, yeah, well, and this is where we have to get integrated. And, you know, the way that I see it is we're actually deprogramming, you know. So, like, what you said, you know, it's still, it's just, like anything that you have to break in a habit, you know, or these old belief systems, like what you're experiencing, your mind is still conditioned to think a certain way. And so what we have to do is we have to break that thought pattern. Energy is gone, but the thought pattern is still there. And so what what you're finding, and what you know, all of us are finding are having the same experiences that you are, but being able to recognize, wait a second, oh, I'm feeling myself fall into that same trap, but I don't feel the same Okay, I have to recognize that. I'm having to, and the records always show me is basically, it's unplugging, unplugging these old thought patterns and the wiring and the brain that we're disconnecting that and then we have to figure out how to function without having those same patterns keep repeating. So when we catch ourselves like, I'm sure you do, you're like, Okay, wait a minute. No, it's It's safe. It's okay to not feel worried. It's okay not to feel like the shoe is going to drop again, and then and work through it. And this is part of this process of shifting into this joyful institution, you know, of being able to stay, stay in this place. But that is definitely what's happening right now. And what you're experiencing we're all experiencing because we're breaking these old energy patterns that have been been embedded within us for centuries.

Jannecke Øinæs 27:48

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Lisa Wetsel 28:02

You know, through all of you know, the societal conditioning and the old past stuff that's just been carried on and carried on, and we're breaking when we're breaking these patterns. We're breaking this energy, belief system, conditioning, you know, that is this going around on the universe? You know, we're breaking it a little bit at a time, which is creating the ability for it to be broken for all humans that are around, because it's no longer on a list, you know, and to live anymore. And they're jumping ahead of me. Sorry, I'm using my words because they're fucking to me before I finish talking. But what they're showing me, you know, it's like women's rights, you know. And here in the United States, you know, women didn't have the right to vote until like 1920 or something. And so you look at the control of the woman, you know, throughout centuries. And if you go back from 2025 all the way back to the early 1900s look at how much women's the belief system about women, my belief system about what my role is, what society believes that I'm capable of, how that's shifted and changed, but it has to start with each one of us. I have to believe that no, I am smart enough to cast a vote. I am smart enough to become a CEO of a company, I am smart enough to be able to get a home loan. I am smart enough to have a credit card. I can't take care of my finances. And so you see how every choice that I make, and every belief system that I make, everything that you're breaking down and disconnecting, it's breaking that energy pattern. It's getting less and less and less and less and so the more that we can stand in the love and the support that's being given to us through our guides, the more that we can break down these belief systems and change the whole energy that's around the earth by doing what working with myself first. First, and this is what's happening at this particular time, and that's why it's so important for each one of us to take care of ourselves and to break these patterns.

Jannecke Øinæs 30:09

Yeah. And I think the reason why I bring it up so much on the show this shift of consciousness is also to feel safe in that, oh, it is actually happening. And I can lean into that I don't have to do as much. I can lean into that. I can just be more of me moving into all the beautiful feelings I can allow myself to do that, and I'm so supported in that I don't have to work hard to get into 5d It's more the opposite, absolutely, and everybody's cheering on the other side for do so now, I do get curious. Why now? Why now? I mean, you and I, all of us, are live now. Why are we so lucky to experience or lucky? I should say, I mean, there's a lot of chaos and darkness going on as well, but still it is like a fascinating time that we're moving into a higher consciousness. So in that sense, I'm meaning lucky. Why now? Why exactly now are we moving into this?

Lisa Wetsel 31:10

It's it's been going on for for quite some time, and the shifting consciousness has been elevated to a level where it is becoming more known at this particular time. What we want you to understand is that this particular energy pattern that has accelerated human growth began in 2012 if you'll begin to recognize that the shift and the and the awareness became more powerful at the beginning of 2012 you'll recognize that it has been a gradual, a gradual acceleration of this energy pattern and the shift in the human behavior to where we sit today. But what we want you to understand is that the universe as a collective decided that the Earth frequency needed to raise due to the due to the impact of what was happening and transpiring. What we want you to see is that it was decreasing the the frequency, or the or the vibration throughout the entire universe. And so what we want you to understand is that the collective decided that it was time to make this shift. They're laughing and saying, but we end. We want you to understand that this didn't happen just yesterday. You know, I mean, obviously it's that happened quite some time ago, and this is just the, you know, we're just getting to the end of what's happening. You know, this isn't the beginning. This is more towards the end of the cycle. And so what we want you to see is that the transformation has been taking place. And they're going back to the 70s, and they're saying, If you begin to recognize the elevation in consciousness, and the 70s was significant, and they're saying the love marches. They're saying, if you start to begin to really understand how individuals were feeling, with the ability to love one another in a way that hadn't been prior to that, you'll begin to recognize that this was also a pattern that needed to take place. So what we want you to see is that at this particular time, all of the all of the humans and the souls that are existing on the earth at this particular time have agreed to go through this transition in order to elevate the consciousness of the earth. And always, and they're talking about whether it's the earth, you know, whether it's it's elevating the consciousness from the Earth's core, you know, from the Earth's core all the way to the exterior of the Earth, the surface of the Earth, they'll begin to understand that every everything is taking a role, every soul that is existing within the core of the earth, to The exteriors of the furthest star have have begun to understand how significant this is. We also want you to understand that the human nature and the soul's relationship is growing to begin to to evolve in the understanding of the oneness, which is also part of the Near Death Experiences. Why that's become more and more know, being able to see and understand, for the human mind to have the conception or the idea that there's an energetic body that lies within each one of you that is elevating the consciousness. We also want you to understand that every individual is playing a specific role in assisting the soul's growth the souls, the souls upon the earth at this particular time are all old masters. There are there are no children, basically baby souls. There are no baby souls that are on the earth at this time, as as the assignments have been made and all have taken into account what has to happen within every individual and the roles that they play in order to create the consciousness of all things, and this is what we want you to understand. Now, I'm not sure that that actually answered your question, but

Jannecke Øinæs 34:50

the funny thing is that I don't remember my question

Lisa Wetsel 34:55

was, why are we all here, or something, or why is it at this time?

Jannecke Øinæs 34:59

Yeah. Yeah. Why? Yeah? Why now? Like, why are we experiencing the shift of consciousness? Because it seems like you're saying we're at the end of a cycle. So that means that something beautiful will come in our lifetime, doesn't it?

Lisa Wetsel 35:15

Yeah, we're saying over the next 10 years, there'll be an extreme, extreme change in human behavior and human understanding. And this is, this is what needs to be known now. Now, you know, and again, it's going to continue, you know. I mean, it's not like, you know, we're, we're still on the growing phase, but it's too they're laughing. They're saying, you can measure it now. So it's like, you know, it's like, it's been so subtle that we couldn't actually measure it, but now, you know, it's like you and I can talk and like, oh yeah, I get you girl, I know exactly what's happening. And you, you and I can understand, no, there's something that's shifting in us. And we can talk to other people and they recognize that something's shifting. And so we're at this place now where it's recognizable, but we're still, you know, it's like what, what the guides always call us is that people like you and me that that can recognize this. We're the first wave. They call us the first wavers, the first wave, wave of humans that are shifting into this level of consciousness. And what will happen is that then, at that point, we all become the teachers. We become the ones that will show the other others, the other waivers how to step into this level of understanding. So what we want you to see is that the earth plane is not going to shift like that. What we want you to see is that it has to go in ways so that the humans can understand the transition. And it's almost like it kind of has to fade into it's not like we're going to all wake up one day and like, Okay, well, I don't care about money anymore. It's like, it's like, it's kind of like it has to wean off. We have to wean off of it. Wean off of these old ideas. And so as we do it, and we can live in this way of being, then we show others how corporations can change their way of doing business, how individuals can change their belief systems. In this in the hierarchy structure, it has to be in a weaning phase. And again, those people like us that are moving into this understanding of consciousness, we're the ones that are going to be implementing these structures in in the corporations, you know, in the banking systems, and, you know, in the way that we look at the Earth and we take care of it, we're that we're going to be the ones that are taking on those leading roles. They're going to really create the change where it's more visible than what it's been.

Jannecke Øinæs 37:42

and then in all of this beauty, we see the contrast in the world. And just looked at a television debate where our politicians not to go too much political but our politicians speak about everybody agrees that we should spend more money on defending ourselves, like building our military, and that feels, you know, like the opposite of peace, in a way, you know, focusing on how we can defend ourselves. And of course, that is important from one perspective and another perspective just feels like, Okay, why is it such a threat in the world then? And this clarity, and from my perspective, the way I see it is that everything is coming up to the surface to release it and to see what's there. It has been hidden before, and now it's just coming up, like when I'm doing acupuncture, it gets a bit worse before it gets better is that how the Akashic records the masters are seen

Lisa Wetsel 38:46

recognize that this is yes. What we want you to understand is that the conflict that is upon the earth and the darkest aspects of control and power are being brought to the surface so the individuals that can stand in the truest form of love. Can can integrate, or, decent, disintegrate. That's, that's their word. Basically, it's a basic, okay, so how they're showing it to me is that if you have a room that's filled with darkness, you have to put the light in it so that you can see clearly. Okay? So what we want you to understand is that this is like they they're calling them the power brokers. The power brokers have been hidden. They've been they have been the ones that have been controlling, controlling others in a way that has been manipulative and underhanded. I've never heard that word before that instead have them saying it this way. So what we want you to understand is that those that are playing those roles had to come up to the surface to be revealed so that the commoner that's us, the common the commoner could. See how this is being used, and that the love light can shine upon this, this darkness, so that it will no longer exist,

Jannecke Øinæs 40:07

yeah? I mean, it does. It does, as long as the light wins. And I guess you always win,

Lisa Wetsel 40:14

yeah, but you know, and again, but this is where you know people you know, especially here in the United States right now there's so much conflict, and it literally is, you know, it's like the good and the bad. I mean, it really is like the whole fairy tale, the good and the evil and, you know, it's and but what's what's happening is that the more that I do my work, the more that I can find my happy place, the more that I can find love. Then my heart opens up to look at every individual that is walking on the earth and see them the same as me, seeing the love and the compassion, seeing the understanding instead of the labels. And that's there's always talk about the labels are being dissolved. The labels, you know, the immigrants are a bad name. You know, I immigrants. Oh, my God, every immigrant is horrible. Well, that's fine for me to stay as, say, as an American citizens, but if I go to Canada and live, guess what, I'm an immigrant. So am I bad? You know? So wait just a second, what was my motivation and why did I do this? Well, somehow another these, these players, the dark players have come to the surface to put these ideas and these thoughts in our heads that create this image of hate and anger fear. And so what my job is is to recognize, wait just a minute, if I do my work and I recognize that I can let go of these old belief systems that I have that were embedded on me, from my parents, from society, from the community, and I start recognizing, well, wait just a minute, where is this coming from? Is it coming from trauma? Is that when I was a kid, or is it just the belief systems that have been put in me? And where is my heart and compassion? So if I do my work like you've done your work, then all of these ideas start moving away. I just become more heart centered, and I begin to recognize, wait just a minute, you're showing me what happened and how you're controlling me by the words that you're saying, and I'm falling into the belief system just because you're saying the words, wait just a second. Oh no, I'm seeing that in my heart, in my understanding, the truest capacity of who I am as a spiritual being. And I recognize that we are all one. We all come from the same source. We are all energy. And what I recognize is that my soul is becoming more open, so that I can see your soul more as a connection to who I am, I am you, and you are me. I am I am all. And that sounds easy to say, but trust me, and I think you probably know as well, and you talk to enough people guest on the shows, on your show, that you recognize that the more that we open up our heart, the goal is understanding the oneness and that we are all, we may have different experiences, but we're all the same, and we're all unconditional love. So if I do my work and I start seeing the people around me in the same view, guess what that love is spreading, and that's that's the they're laughing. My guides are laughing, and say, That's the objective. Everyone has to do their own work. Everyone has to work on themselves. Stop worrying about saving other people, recognizing no they need to change. They need to be like this or that or whatever. Stop it. It's the point of finding your heart. It's understanding and who you are. And then you become contagious, your love and your vibration becomes contagious because the people around you can't stand in that darkness anymore, and you understand going through the Depression and those feelings of feeling the nothingness, how uncomfortable it is. Well, then my love light shines on somebody and they recognize I'm not comfortable being here anymore. I want to shift this and change it. How did you do this? And then that's how we become the teachers. And My guys are laughing and saying, and that's the plan. That's what the plan is, in order to change humanity in the consciousness of all, one person at a time. Me, you work on yourself first, and then you're going to change the whole construct.

Jannecke Øinæs 44:14

Yeah. I mean, we're brought up to believe how small we are, most of us from our culture, and now it's the opposite. We're starting to discover how huge we are, how powerful we are, and how much influence each and every one of us actually have when we step into our power, because it's also an energetic thing, like we transform people around us when we transform, and it's just for me, it was two different ways of living. I was living as a victim, and then I awakened to this inner power, and I had a mystical experience I remember where I saw myself as this huge, huge being, and it's a longer story, but I. I'll do the short one, and the insight that came to me was that this is how huge you are, and this is how huge everybody is. And I also felt the love I have for myself and the love and how loved I was. So there was a love for myself, and I was also loved. So there was sort of a dualism there, that something loved me and I also loved it or me, and I never forget that I was meditating on my heart for an hour and it it was sort of like a spiritual, transformative experience, not like a typical out of body experience, but more like I just became a huge something. And I guess I don't know if that was what I fully am as a soul, because I and that leads me over to the next question, because in one perspective, I think we could be many places at once. So I think the message was very individual for me, because I've been struggling so much with self love to understand, you know, you're so grand Yan again, everybody else is so start seeing people and yourself as that. But that leads me over to what a soul is, because in the Akashic records, my understanding is that all our lives, everything we've been is sort of recorded or stored. But is there sort of a limit to that, to what I am as a soul and what you are? Because if I live all these 1000s or millions of lives, am I not really just living everybody's life, which means that we're just one?

Lisa Wetsel 46:48

We understand? Yeah, well, I'm not sure I understand the question, but I'm going to answer it anyway, and we'll see if the answer what the answer is and for saying. But what we want you to recognize is that every every soul is an individual, but every soul is connected to another. Okay, so it's like the way that I see it. Okay? So we do have, like we have our soul family, and the soul family is connected more tightly. It's more inter interrelated. And I'm seeing it kind of like a weave and that that is a specific group or construct of souls that exist in different time realms or different different like part of your soul family may be on earth at this particular time. Part of the soul family may be in the Pleiadians or Pleiades you know, at this time, or they may just be living in a different dimension, or they may be somewhere else. But what we want you to recognize is that the soul family is as a tighter. We have energy that may be connected to you on this, on the human Earth, that helps guide you and the direction that you need. But we also have outliers or players that contribute to this, to the life on earth of the soul connection. But what we want you to understand is that there's an interweaving of all souls as they are all connected. We are all one. There is there is that understanding and that truth that all humans must understand and relate to. As you recognize that every experience that you have has been divinely planned. And we want you to understand that there is a connection that is of the universal magnitude that humans can't fully conceive of due to the due to the lack of imagination that we just we just there's no way to actually because if we were taught it and told it, then we would believe it, but because we have a tendency only to believe what we've experienced then, then that's what limits our understanding. But what we do want you to understand is that the soul may be more of an individual nature, but the energetic tie is is greatly expanded as it is on the universal level. So again, you know, there is this saying that we are all one. We are all one. You know, every every soul that's out there is tied energetically and some way. And it can be like, you know, like what I'm seeing is like this soul right here may be connected to this soul here, and then this soul here, and that soul here, and then this one here, and it's like we're all connected. And all of this, they're saying, they're calling it a network, and a network of matrixes that are that create the understanding how everything can flow together. Because we also, we're so we also think of ourselves as it's all about me, you know, and it's just me and you. They're, you know, that are creating whatever's happening right here, but we fail to see the network of how big everything has to be connected and to make, to make everything flow. And they're, for some reason, they're showing me a train. I don't know why, but if you recognize that a train does not work independently. Late, it has connections to the next stop, or that all of the individuals that have to make sure that it runs runs smoothly, and that everyone has a job, whether it's the passengers, whether it's the crew, the rail crew, making sure that the line, you know, the rails are in in shape, or the mechanics are all done. Everything is tied interconnectedly, even if you don't know who's running the train. So it's like, even though we only, we only see that I'm getting on the train as a passenger, and I just see that, you know, okay, well, somebody's running the train, and everybody else is on here, but I don't see what's happening behind the scenes. Same thing as the universe, the universe the universe is so intertwined and interconnected to make sure that everything happens the way that it's agreed to the contracts that we don't really fully recognize the energy that's going you know is that. What I'm seeing is that that old saying of the butterfly's wings, you know, how it affects has, has, has that ripple effect, and how it affects everything that that breeze, you know, comes in contact with, it's the same thing. There's nothing that acts independently. So this is what we want you to understand, is that you are connected to everything, everyone and all that is you are that that's hard for us to understand, because it's beyond what we can see.

Jannecke Øinæs 51:26

I still don't understand what a soul is.

Lisa Wetsel 51:30

Okay? Well, I can tell you what a soul is,

Jannecke Øinæs 51:33

yeah. My question is, if I'm multi dimensional, how many parts Am I actually splitting into? And if that's a number, and if that's different for me than for you, for instance, do I exist at the same time as I'm here? How many versions of myself is there? And if that's limitless, maybe I'm living all kinds of versions there is, and then we're just living each other's lives. We're just one, living all these lives just being split.

Lisa Wetsel 52:07

Yeah, okay, so let's go back to what a soul is. Okay? So what is a soul? A soul is an energetic body with consciousness, and this is what we want you to understand. Okay, here is this little energetic body, and it has the consciousness, okay? But what we want you to understand is that consciousness can be divided into different dimensions in order to to accomplish what is needed for the soul's existence. So what we want you to see is that there is not a specific number. There's that because it can come and go, okay? So it's like they're laughing and saying, you can have the whole construct of the soul as an energetic body, but there's a part or a dimension of that soul that can escape to go to a different realm of consciousness in order to have an experience, complete that experience, and then come back into the soul to create the whole completeness. So what we want you to see is that there is not an identifiable number or experiences that the whole the soul has at a complete time, meaning at a specific time. So what we want you to see is that there's parts and portions that come and go at all times, as it is never a whole solid, and there's not quantum physics. So if you begin to recognize that these, these parts, or these portions, are constantly interchanging and interacting as needed in order to create the whole you'll begin to recognize that it's much more complicated than the human mind can conceive of. I have a feeling. Yeah. So again, it's not a simple answer. Okay, well, I'm divided into 15 parts. No, it's, it's constantly shifting and changing. There's constant stuff that's going on, but again, you know, it's also part of, you know, like when we're having a dream, and we travel in our dreams, or that we may have an experience that, like, I'm sitting on a subway and I'm, I'm riding the train, but then all of a sudden, my mind just shifts off to a place in Africa, and I see and I see a giraffe, but it seems so clear. It's like, Wait a minute. How did that happen? Okay, wait a minute. Well, there was part of my soul, and I'm having a soul experience, and then the soul jumps back in, and then all of a sudden, that vision leaves again. So recognize that it comes and goes, and the human can experience these different these different time travels. But what we want you to understand is that the human construct is the way that we're made. It's like we're so thick and dense that it's not that we just automatically. We have to train ourselves to be conditioned to what's happening and being open and aware to these different experiences that souls having at the same time, to where to where it'd be more notable. But we also want you to recognize that the human mind would blow up like we can take in all of the information that's going on, you know, at the same time. Mind that you know this, like what I'm seeing is that the soul may be in 5000 pieces at the same time, and the mind couldn't take all of that in. It would it would make us go crazy. And so we understand that there are safety precautions that we put in the human body so that it wouldn't be experiencing too much at one time. Interesting. It isn't saying. And again, you guys, I remember I am not swearing to this. Okay, I'm not saying this is exactly the way it is. All I'm doing is repeating the information. So you guys do whatever you want to with

Jannecke Øinæs 55:33

Yeah, no, it does resonate with me, and I'm glad that there are some precautions and that we're taking care of so we are not getting crazy with all this multi dimensionality makes sense. Can we all connect, all of us, to the Akashic field?

Lisa Wetsel 55:53

Absolutely, because it's a part of who we are. It's very much a connection. It's already within us. You know, it's only the ability to be open enough to recognize and receive the information. So, you know, it's like the soul is connected to the Akashic records. Always. It's never not connected, you know. And so if we have the ability to open up our channels of communication, get out of our head and listen to our guides and our sources and our resources, the Akashic field is always there and is and it's always there because they're also directing the our guides, you know. So if I'm seeing that, you know, all of a sudden I see a billboard that says 333, and I needed to see the 333, because I needed to understand something that's within me, my angel connection, or whatever. Well, guess what that soul directed the Akashic masters. Hey, she's not getting this. I need some help here. Akashic masters say, hey, Billboard sign. Guide, whoever, whoever is controlling the vision on the Billboard, make sure that she sees these numbers so that she can, she can recognize how important or significant that she is. And something blows across your face or hits you, and you just happen to wipe your chin, and you look up and you see the billboard. Well, guess what? There's there are guides helping us all the time, all the time, so interaction connected with the Akashic field. Always, we just don't always recognize what we're receiving and how we're receiving it. So we think that we're not connected.

Jannecke Øinæs 57:29

It's amazing to hear everything that's going behind the scenes here.

Lisa Wetsel 57:33

It really is, yeah, it is

Jannecke Øinæs 57:38

my, oh, my. So obviously it's not a place. It's not like it is around the world. We could find it in that dimension. It's sort of more not understandable for us. It's an energetic field, but it's not something you could travel to, like a distance in a way,

Lisa Wetsel 57:59

correct? Yeah, yeah. And, you know, that's always, that's, I think that I've heard a lot of different stories about, you know, it's, I've heard that the the Akashic records are held in the fourth dimension. I will strongly disagree with that, and that's been a common thing that I've heard and read and have people I've heard people repeat. I'm not going to argue about many things that I say because I can't prove it, but this is one thing that I will, I will stand firm on that the the energy field is in existence in every single plane that it is. It is constantly surrounding us and is constantly within us. It is everything and everywhere. And that's that's one of the things that people have this belief system, because they read it in a book somewhere, somebody told them that this is how it is. If you really begin to understand, you know, if you're really into this energy and get the messages, like I do, and like just this conversation that we have today, how can this field be held in one dimension when it records everything from the beginning of time, the Akashic field was created at the beginning of time, the second that the universe was created. The Akashic field was created. And so it's it's held through every single dimension, thing, everything that is within existence. The energy is there. It's always around us always, yeah, there's and there's my soapbox.

Jannecke Øinæs 59:27

Wow, this has been incredibly fascinating. Thank you so much for coming to the show. And I have a few questions that I ask all my guests. And the first one is, what is self love to you, Lisa,

Lisa Wetsel 59:38

oh, that's a good one. It's unconditional love for myself, self. Love is the understanding of the oneness of who we are, the perfection that I am, and you know, this is the part that is the hardest for us again due to the conditioning we haven't truly gone inward and really recognized that. But I am perfection, regardless of the words that I say, the way that I look, the things that I've done, the way that people said that I'm this or that I'm not good enough. I am too good, whatever it is, I'm fat, I'm skinny, whatever I am, none of that, none of that. What that is, is what other people have projected upon me, their opinions, their thoughts, but me as an individual, this person that I am, I am the I Am. I Am perfection. I am exactly what my soul was created for. I am serving, serving as the vessel to hold this perfection that resides within me. Therefore I am perfection. Anything that defines me, anything different than that, is the mind's construct. It's not the truth of who I am, and that's self love to me.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:00:50

I like that. That was powerful. That was I felt like message to us all.

Lisa Wetsel 1:00:56

Well, again, there's my soapbox.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:01:00

And now the big question, what is the deeper meaning of life? From your perspective,

Lisa Wetsel 1:01:07

I'm having a hard time separating from that with my Akashic masters, the meaning of life is to serve, serve life in the way that is the most fulfilling to the heart.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:01:18

Beautiful. Yeah, lovely.

Lisa Wetsel 1:01:20

In other words, happy.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:01:23

Yeah, get happy. All right, if people want to connect with you or work with you, how can they do so

Lisa Wetsel 1:01:30

you can go to my website, and it is Lisawetsel.com and I also have a YouTube channel and which I do podcasts and do my own messages as well, and that's Lisa Wetsel Akashic Records consultant, and Instagram is Akashic Records Lisa Wetsel. Facebook is Lisa Wetsel Akashic Records consultant, and I think that that's it.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:01:53

It has been a thrill having you on the show today. Thank you so much.

Lisa Wetsel 1:01:58

Thank you. Thank you for allowing me to share this information. Thank you.