Conscious Behavior: The Core of Spiritual Action! With Lee Harris

Lee Harris 0:00

There are things about being on earth that are really hard, really hard. We're all in these possible timelines that we can alter or move depending on how we show up and what we do today. Spirituality is not measured by what you understand and know. It's actually measured by how you behave in the world. Anyone who is telling you they know what the answer is, for you run a mile. Some will be frontline activists. Some will be sitting at home meditating for peace. Some will be in the middle taking care of their community. And we'll all play our part in the jigsaw. And that's part of the cleansing cycle of this war history on Earth, which they say comes from the galactic it doesn't originate on Earth. It's galactic war that was brought to Earth 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of years ago. I don't think that consciousness and spirituality in that path is for everyone on earth. And the Z's have said it won't be for everybody. We all have slightly different missions. But they've also said, and this really struck me.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:07

Lee Harris, a warm welcome back to the show.

Lee Harris 1:11

It's lovely to be back with you. How long has it been? About 10 years, I think,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:16

yeah, something like that. Even more like way back when, when I was just starting out my channel, and after that, your channel just blew up like now you have around half a million subscribers on your channel, reaching so many people with your conversations with a z's, your energy updates, and it's just amazing to see how you're doing. And I often go into your channel and it's just so lovely to listen to you. I just feel like you're all taking care of us, and we feel so safe in your energy. So I just love to see that you're really reaching out with your message.

Lee Harris 1:52

Oh, thank you. Yeah. It's funny, isn't it? Well, you and I just had a brief chat before we started this. Now, we were saying, what a different time it is in the world. Because I think, you know, I put my first video on YouTube in 2006 and all of this was so much more niche then. And it's interesting to see how, with the rise of people's need for whether it's their mental health or their spiritual health or their physical health, it feels like we've all become more aware as a society as the years have gone on, and also because of need. So no, it's really it's nice to see how many different things are out there now, for people that a smaller group of us used to be creating and seeking years ago.

Jannecke Øinæs 2:34

Oh yeah. Definitely, it feels more okay to think a bit outside the box. And I think people are more curious than ever. If there are, if there is something more. And I mean, your life and experience is interesting, you are channeling disease, they call them. And you're also a musician and an energy intuitive. You've written tons of books and the news one is the future human together with Regina Meredith. Now you just are, are coming out, or did come out with conversation with Aziz number three, which is a book about death and dying like demystifying all of that. And I'd love to go into that, because even though I've been doing all these interviews about those topics, I'm still curious what happens when we die. So for those who are new to you, Lee, could you share a little bit about how you got into channeling, because I always like to go there so that people who are new to you get to know you, and also, how did the Z's come into your life?

Lee Harris 3:39

Yeah, so it was the year, let me think 26 years ago. It was around 1999 and I was on the London Underground, the subway. I was trying to break into the music industry. At the time, I was about to make my first album, and I was working in fundraising, and so I was going to my job the office, and I was very into self growth. So in my late teens, I discovered self growth work as a way of helping myself to heal. Because, like many, I was sensitive and intuitive, but like most of us, didn't understand what that was, so it was causing me all kinds of, I would say, issues. In my teenage years, I also knew that I was gay, which back then was a much I mean, it still can be a very difficult journey for people, but back then, it was even more stigmatized. You were you were told you weren't allowed. So I had a lot. When I look back, I had a lot I was pushing up against as a person. So I found self growth, and I would go to all these workshops. I would go to shamanism, I would go to Reiki. I was I became very fascinated by this other world that, to me, made the world make sense. But to most people at the time, it was weird. You know, I remember trying to drag my poor, beloved mom and dad to my first workshop. Come back like you do. You come back from your first self growth workshop, all the lights have gone on. You think it's like, oh, this is the best thing. Everyone should do it. And of course, it's not for everyone, and it's not everyone's time. So I remember trying to get them to come with me. So I was very into all of this stuff. And I had been taken to see a channeler, and I thought he was very gifted, but I found it odd that he closed his eyes and put on a funny voice. And I said to my friend as we were driving away, I said, Well, why didn't he just he's clearly an intuitive man, and he gave me incredible information. But why did he have to do that whole funny voice closed eye thing, like I didn't understand there's a difference. And now, because I work as an energy intuitive where I as Lee, sit here and can open up my energy field to not only hear words, but sometimes see images and also get feelings about people who're standing in front of me, I work on that level, which is a very human, intuitive realm, and that's how I do say my monthly energy updates on YouTube. But I also am usually, in some way, always working with my guide to higher up. And then I channel them as well, so they come through my body. And it's not that I'm in a trance exactly when I'm doing that, because I could stop it at any time, and I think if I couldn't, I wouldn't do it. But, um, it's, it's, how do I put it? It's like having a very different frequency come through your body, and words that you can't keep up with in your own mind move through your system. And what I notice when I channel the guides is they give information, but they also bring a vibration to people. And what I believe the point of it is, is that vibration is designed to spark in you, the listener, your own intuitive realm. So I often wonder about that channel or I was taken to. I'm like, oh, was he, like, my initiation, you know, and I didn't know, because I wasn't a big channeling fan. It wasn't something I went to. It wasn't I loved tarot readings, I loved anything to do with intuition, and I loved self growth, shamanism, those things all spoke to me on a very human level. But channeling was more out there, and still, for some people, it is and you know, because of the way that healers and intuitives have been persecuted throughout history, we have this very strong lineage in our culture that was put there by a few different groups, firstly, religious groups that were trying to control people's access to spirit and make sure that they only went through the church. And you know whoever the person in charge of the church was, and if you research that, you see that the church was government before government existed. So that's why that control was important. Then you look at the witch trials, which we now know was actually that there were some incredible healers who were doing things that were deemed magical, and that was going against the control of traditional medicine, but it also was a really convenient way to get rid of powerful women in society at a time where women weren't allowed to be empowered. And then what I notice now, and I mean, I've, I've dealt with this for 21 years, because I've been out there putting stuff online and working you see the same kind of witch hunter comments online, and it's, it's an imprint. It's a cultural imprint that I always encourage new healers, new intuitive, new channel. As I say, don't worry. You're going to have to deal with some of this stuff. It's, don't worry about it. It's not your problem. It's someone else's stuff that they're projecting onto you. The question is, do you feel driven to do what you're doing? And you know, I'll say, I'll speak for myself, that the combination of the way I do the work now, it's kind of all come together over the years, the intuitive, the channeling the music, but it wasn't like that 21 years ago. That's been a journey for me, and for me, I feel very passionate about this work, because it really is the work that saved me. So when I go back to my youth and my early 20s, I needed all this stuff to help me, I guess, de suppress myself so that my soul could be part of my life, not just what and who I'd been told I could be as a human being. So now I'm very passionate about, you know, putting my work out there. I built a production team around me because I knew that was what I wanted to do. I knew that a production team was the way that I would be able to continue to do my work without burnout, but also to reach more people and put more work out there. But I'm also really passionate about helping other intuitives and healers bring themselves into the world with this work. So that's kind of a potted history, but my guides explained that they're a voice of galactic source energy. Yeah. So some of them, they're a big group. They say we are 88 beings who extend wider into source, meaning they aren't fixed. They also can channel out to other groups if they need to to receive information. And they got called the Z's by my audiences in the early days, who called them the z's, because they never knew which Z they were going to get. There were three spokespeople at the beginning, Zachary, Zaria and zaidora. And then around 2012 2013 they just became one unified voice. And they said, because of how things are going on the planet, and because unity consciousness is important, we no longer want to differentiate, so now you're just going to hear us through one voice. So the name disease wasn't something they gave me. It was, it was how people would refer to them, because they never knew who they were going to get. So it's kind of stuck. And to do a complete full circle to your original question, um, conversations with disease, was a is, is a three part series that I did with Diana Edwards, who's a psychotherapist and an author. She was a client of mine. She came to me for readings. We became friends. She was very interested in death and dying. And so we embarked on this journey of three books and audio books, and this third one is just audio. It's audio only. But when you listen to the audio book, what you're actually hearing in real time is Diana asking my guides questions all about death, dying, reincarnation, grief, the journey of grief, and how it's such a transformative force. And you also hear the final chapter, which is my favorite of anything that Diana and I did together, which is her dear friend Kelly, who, at the time, was about seven years into a long terminal cancer journey. She spoke to the Z for about an hour, and that's all on the recording. She wanted to do it. She since passed. She passed about a year after we did the recording, but she talks to them about her life, the purpose of her life, what to expect when she dies. So it's, it's very, you know, I felt very honored to be able to be a part of something like that, and it definitely when we finished recording, I just spontaneously burst into tears because it was so moving. But what was sweet about it was Kelly wrote to me and said that that one experience with disease really changed and calmed her outlook on the rest of her life. And so I was, you know, I really credit Kelly with being willing to put this out there for everyone else to maybe learn from it, and the people who've already heard the recordings inside my members community, because they got it early. Yeah, they've all talked about how moving that was. So it's such a fascinating realm, this death, dying, grief journey, and it's huge. You know, you can only scratch the surface in these conversations, but it is very interesting to venture into that world, because I feel like when we look at that, it actually makes us go, Oh, my God, we're alive. And if you're not in a crisis or a trauma today, as much as you can, just recognize, wow, we're alive right now, and we don't know how long we've got. So let's be present and be alive and and figure out what we want to do with why we're here while we're here,

Jannecke Øinæs 13:29

nice. And I'm reading the book right now, and I think it's giving many answers. Of course, I always get more questions, though, but, but I always do. That's why I'm still doing this, I think. But it gives many perspectives that is very helpful and soothing, and I get curious you as a channeler your belief systems. Is it like this that sometimes information or knowledge and wisdom is coming through disease that is just surprising to you, and that might contradict something you thought you knew, because humans, we are quite stuck in our belief systems, right? We believe this, and then our reality is very influenced by that, and changing our belief systems can be difficult because it's ingrained in our subconsciousness. So then I'm curious when you're all of a sudden opening up to galactic messages that are sort of beyond our human mind. Have you been several times just blown away and like, is that really true?

Lee Harris 14:34

I mean, I there have been low I mean, I've been doing it so long now, 26 years, I'm so and not publicly, 21 years publicly, but 26 years privately. And for people who knew me, like close friends, who were spiritual, nothing blows my mind anymore, and I think that's because I no longer see the world the way I used to, however, and this is probably. Most important thing by opening myself to their way of seeing things. And of course, I can't always not even agree with what they say, but I can't always understand what they're saying. I can't always directly experience it, but it's actually just made me, if anything, it's made me more interested in the world that's right in front of my face, and it's the healing journey it took me on has actually made me just more appreciative for this. Now, there is nothing I really care to know about the universe. What I care to experience is this universe that I'm in right now. But there was a time when I really cared. And one of the things you mentioned this jannicka, and I think it's a great point that we we we have opinions, or we feel like we know we need to know things I learned very early on, that with channeling, there is never going to be a satisfying final answer, because it's like a hall of mirrors, and the minute you ask one question, you go, Oh, and then you want to know more. So it becomes, it can become this insatiable quest. And I think because I have, in a way, I've channeled more for the public than I have for myself at this point, I've learned things I would never have asked. I would never areas I'm not, I'm not even that interested in. It's funny, some people make big assumptions about me because of the z's. So they go, Oh, Lee wants to sit and talk all about this. And I'm like, No, Lee doesn't really. And it's not, it's not that I won't sit and talk about it with you. But I think when you have so many different hearts and minds asking questions, you get this very broad tapestry of what's important to people, but I have learned that our human, linear mind, the biggest problem we have is wanting something to be fact, because every there are certain facts that will remain throughout history, But lots of facts change, and they change with different generations, and they change with different information, and they change with different tools that can measure different things. So even science has changed its rules over time. You know, I often hear people say, Oh, well, what does science say? And I'm like, Well, who were the scientists? What was the study? Was it biased? Were they influenced? You know, it's funny that people speak about science like it's some true fact. And I'm like, it really depends on who's measuring what and who's doing it, and there's some amazing scientists out there, and then we know that there have been certain ones who've been co opted or corrupted. So I find it kind of interesting that there is this very linear, safe mind that we've all been trained into as humans, because we were all told this is what things are. This is what you're supposed to do. This is what's correct. So there's no room for us as souls to come here and go, Oh, I'm a I'm a soul having an experience here. And what the Z's have explained is what we do and how we show up affects everything that happens. And I think many times, we've been trained to think we're very small and that we're very insignificant, but we're we're all having an effect while we're alive. Every sentient being is having a vibrational effect on what happens next in reality. So there are certain principles I now just live by. But as for answers, you know, an answer for me is something that is true in the present moment, just like a belief that you can hold for 10 years might have been the very thing that moved you from deep trauma to peace, and so that belief was so useful, but on the 11th year, you might go, oh, I no longer want to hold myself so rigidly in that belief. And that's okay. We're supposed to evolve, we're supposed to grow, we're supposed to change. So I have a slightly loose grip on, on, on, you know, the need to know. And what I've learned is, the more you know, the less you realize you know, which I think is such a gift, because you go, Oh, I've always known we'd be an eternal student while we're alive. So, you know, you're an eternal student, and you we're all teachers too. We all teach the people that we're in relationship with. And you know, some of us hold that title teacher in our work life, but we're all eternal students. And I think that's kind of the bigger truth for me. It's like there's there's a lot to discover and experience, and the more you can hold it lightly, the better life gets. And I know for me, with my own healing journey through life, that's kind of what I've experienced.

Jannecke Øinæs 19:41

Yeah, I think you're right to hold it lightly, and this work has helped me in my life. It has saved me as well. But now I've sort of come to a place where I'm not needing the saving anymore, and thus I'm not needing the answers, but I still am very. Curious to just speak about this. It's like this calling I'm having because my vibration goes up. I just love speaking about this and get new and new perspectives and speaking a little bit about the conversations with conversations with the seas number three that book, they speak about reincarnation in the first chapter, and and your your friend is asking about, is it real? And the curious, I that the question I have around this is, I'm very confused when it comes to that we're multi dimensional, which we hear all the time now and then we have all these lives. And we used to speak about past lives, mostly, and then future lives, and then parallel lives. And I don't see how this multi dimensionality goes together with reincarnation, sort of from a linear perspective, that we can go back to the past. Because if we're, if we're multi dimension, aren't we living all our lives at the same time? And if we're living all our lives at the same time, aren't we just living all lives possible, if you know what I mean, because from one perspective, we are one. We've heard we are one. So if my soul is splitting up living multiple lifetimes, am I really just living all lives, like as every human in the universe? Am I just everybody?

Lee Harris 21:33

It's a good question. I mean, it's interesting. I don't fully remember everything they talk about when it comes to do with time, because what I know to be true is, for example, so let's say when you were seven years old, jannecke, you went through things, and you no longer feel like that seven year old, because you're no longer her in that body, in that circumstance. However, there are parts of her in your imprints, in your learning that are with you now, and that sometimes when we go through healing later in life, you know, we go, Oh, I feel like I just let go of something from when I was seven that I wasn't capable of doing before I hit my 30s or my 40s. I just wasn't ready. So in that sense, I think it's circular in that we're the shamans talk about the spiral path, and I always resonated with that. Once I heard that in my teens, I just got this feeling in my body of, oh yeah, it's a spiral path of healing. You're always moving in a circle, in a way. But one thing that does get demystified in in and I should specify Book Three is not a book. The first two had books and audio books, but book, audio book three, we should. We should probably say for conversations with disease, it's audio only this one, which, in a way, I like, because you really hear the vibration of disease and the original conversations as it's happening. One thing that they demystify is the idea of past lives as fixed. So for example, you know how a lot of people will say, Oh, I know I was this person in a past life. The Z's say that might be true, or you're part of their soul group from that life. So for example, let's say 100 years from now, someone says I was this guy called Lee who apparently did channeling and intuitive. It might be that you were me, or I've come back in a different form, or it might be that you were part of disease, or you were somehow connected to me, and so you have this memory. And that was interesting for me, because I think there was a period in my development when I saw past lives as very linear and very fixed and very from the past, and that's changed over the years, they even say that you can walk into energy fields of past figures and believe you are having an experience as them, because you're doing some healing for that past figure. They've left an imprint on the ground of who they were. You walk into it, you embody it, because it serves your growth, and you also shift something for their lineage in history. I just did a course, actually for healers over the last month, and it's called next level healer. And I wanted to do a course that specifically focused on healers going to the next level in their work. So I put a lot of channeling into it, and they talked about how we literally rewrite history in the present every time we heal. So not only do we allow our future to be more unencumbered, we literally rewrite what happened behind us, not just for ourselves, but for past generations, for anything that's gone on behind us. So it's what I have come to understand about time is I don't understand it very well, and that's okay, and it's certainly not linear. I know there are people out there who do a lot of research on all of this parallel it's kind of their passion area. It's never been mine, but it does come. Come up with the Z's quite a bit, I think also in the future human book with Regina Meredith, there's quite a lot about time and timelines that gets discussed, how we're all in these possible timelines that we can alter or move depending on how we show up and what we do today.

Jannecke Øinæs 25:17

Yeah, here is where it gets really complicated when we speak about parallel lives, parallel worlds, selves, universes, multiple versions of jannecke, and then multiple lives that I've had or have or have in the future, anywho. And

Lee Harris 25:35

And I think it's always about getting us back to here. Like honestly, I think the only reason any of that either comes to you or through you or my personal this is just a personal philosophy. I believe all of that stuff is useful if it makes you more fully Jannecke Today, or it makes me more fully lead today, because these are the vehicles and the identities that we're supposed to be and we're supposed to have the fullest life. It's all available to us in this lifetime. I think that remembering other dimensions of reality helps facilitate you living in a fuller way and breaking out some of the more human trained shackles that many of us were hoisted into when we were little through societal conditioning or cultural programming or whatever it was.

Jannecke Øinæs 26:24

I just spoke with my fiance, who is a bit more skeptical than me, but we talk about spirituality a lot, and we talked about the afterlife and whether this life is influencing the afterlife, because, let's say that I'm a soul. I want to go down here. I have some Destiny points. Perhaps I have a soul mission, a life mission, certain things I'm going to learn. And there's also no judgment on the other side. That's something we hear again and again, which I'm very happy to hear, that there's no judgment, but still, will what I do here influence what happens in the afterlife, like, will it be any consequence of what I chose to do here? Because I did sign up for it, so in a way, it shouldn't have any consequences, since that was sort of discussed beforehand with my masters, et cetera. So I'm just curious when we then die, what it seems like many who have near death experiences, they have experiences that are very colored by their belief system, which is also from this incarnation, possibly. So what? What is your take on that? Do you want to cultivate a deeper sense of self love? Then I have a self love toolkit for you where I help you boost your self love. Head over to wisdomfromnorth.com/selflovetips.

Lee Harris 27:56

It's interesting. I don't know if you have you spoken to Anita Moorjani on your show, yes, yes, yes. So Anita is a dear friend, and we were just together about a week or so ago, and she talks very clearly and vividly about the fact that she knew she was sent back because she had to learn to be different. And she came back for her husband, Danny, and for the mission of being an advocate for everything. She's been an advocate for the last 15 years, and she's a radically different person since her near death experience. She no longer is compliant people pleasing all the suppression that she was doing. So what's interesting is when she talks, and I'm trying to think, if I remember this correctly, when she talks about going there and then coming back, there was no judgment on her for any of that, and nor was it that she was being sent back because she needed to get it right. And this fits for me. I have, you know, several people in my life who've passed one just very recently that I was very, very close to, and I have a very, you know, I guess much like a medium, it's very easy for me to speak to people who've passed. I used to do it with clients as part of my sessions. I did one on one sessions for 15 years, but with people in my own life, what I find when they've gone, god, they're so peaceful and there's no judgment, and the personality isms and schisms are just gone, and they're much more coming in from a place of love. So what I've come to understand is that there are things about being on earth that are really hard, really hard, and you're very fortunate if you get yourself to a place in your life and or are in circumstances in your life where you can be supported to experience peace and happiness some of the time. And then most of us who have those experiences want to kind of share it and pass it on and deliver it and help it grow on the planet. And of course. But we'll also go through our ups and downs again, because that's the nature of this dense energy field that we're on. So what the Z's have said is that there is a lot of what we would call forgiveness when we pass Yes, what we have done influences what we may or may not choose to do next, either in the afterlife or beyond. They've said there are certain people who, well, first of all, you lose your identity. So we're in a very fixed identity here. We have a very fixed idea of who we are. We have these fixed gravity bodies that hold us in place on this planet, where there is a lot of density, but there is also a lot of light, and there is a lot of consciousness, and it's our job in this iteration and this generation we're in to see how many of us can become conscious and live more consciously. But we're not going to do it perfectly. We're going to do our best, and we're going to keep improving, and we're often going to learn through our mistakes. So I think, woven into our culture and woven into our narrative. And this has come a lot from religion, this idea of a punishing God, or this idea of you have sinned, this idea of you will go to hell. That always felt like a lie to me. I never felt true about that in my body, because I thought, no, what about people who redeem themselves and actually transform. So yes, they might do something that you might go, Well, that wasn't very good, but what if, through that, they realize and they redeem themselves? So I always felt that was a mechanism to control people, and actually that our life is a lot more. It also is quite egoic, because it's saying that someone here has decided what life is, and a lot of humans are backing that up. And like, I'll say, you know, I channel and I'm an intuitive but I would never stand on a podium and say, I'm going to tell you what life is about, because I'm very aware that what I'm bringing through and who I'm receiving from in the world equally, whether they're teachers, authors, voices, it's all perspective. And the only reason we ever believe anything is because it fits with us. So there will be people out there who'll go, oh, you know, for example, your fiance being skeptical. Good for him. It means he doesn't have these experiences, so he should be skeptical, because you would never want anyone to try and pretend that they're experiencing something they're not. So I don't think that consciousness and spirituality in that path is for everyone on earth. And the Z's have said it won't be for everybody, and we all have slightly different missions, but they've also said and this really struck me. This was when I went to Tulum to do a workshop in 2012 and I channeled at the the god, what's it called? It's not, is it a pyramid? I'm blanking on what the incredible monument is at Tulum. But they basically said that whenever there is a very high frequency on Earth, it will be grounded by what seems like lower or dense frequencies around it. And I really noticed as we drove to Tulum, people were very aggressive. And there were a lot of kind of very grounded, kind of not very friendly people, like all around the edge. I was like, that's interesting. And they said, Yeah, because this is a high frequency spot, and their job is to guard it and to repel so it kind of changed my mind at that time about this idea. You know, you'll often people go say, Oh, they're love and light, yeah, but just because their love and light and their behavior, it doesn't mean that they are more powerful on Earth than the person over here who is playing their role and being very grounded and perhaps being closed off to certain things. But what are they actually doing for their community in different ways? So I've always maintained, and I still to this day, this is true. The people I like hanging out with are not the spiritually educated, it's the spiritually behaving. So I know many people who are skeptical. They go, I don't believe in an afterlife. I'm an atheist. They're the loveliest, kindest people. Equally, I know many people who tell you I know everything about the ninth dimension, and they're cold, they're unfriendly, they're traumatized, and they're they're not in their emotions. I would much rather hang out with the people who are the atheists and go, Lee, you know, I like you don't get what you do, and that's okay. I'm also not going to kill you for it or judge you for it, but I do like you, and they're just nice for me to be with. And I've met, you know, very badly behaved spiritual people. So people are people wherever you go. And for me, spirituality is not measured by what you understand and know is actually measured by how you behave in the world. And that's always been a truth for me that has got clearer the older I've gotten, the more people I've met, and especially when you do this work, you get to see a lot of the shadow side of whether it's other people in the field. Who are teachers or speakers, but you also see the shadow side of how we as a community behave. I remember once I had someone on my podcast that a group of people in my audience didn't like and they didn't like her because they judged a video she'd done, and they let her have it in the comments. And I basically went into the comments and said, This is not okay. I said, by all means, don't like her. Don't watch the show. We I wasn't endorsing, but they just the way they behaved. I basically, you know, I very rarely do that. This was about five years ago, but I wrote a post on Facebook going, you really need to take a look at why you follow my work. Because if you think it's okay to rip this woman down. You aren't paying attention to why I'm doing what I'm doing. No problem. You don't have to. But don't come here and start pointing the finger at me and my team and being rude, because this is a free video that I paid for for you to receive. So you know, there can be, there can be bad behavior in spiritual communities too, and that has to be called out.

Jannecke Øinæs 35:59

Yeah. Yeah, oh, I love that you're going there.

Lee Harris 36:04

I'm getting older now, so I wouldn't have when I was younger, but I've seen a lot more. And I think when you get older, you get you see more and and it's important too, because I think of young people coming up thinking, that's okay, the thing I always say is, I was a very naive, spiritual seeker, like most of us were in my late teens and early 20s, and there were some abusive teachers that I didn't know were abusive because I just thought, Oh, this is spirituality, and I don't know anything about it, so I feel very protective of that, because I've seen many people have to deprogram themselves after, you know, Whether it's following a guru or a very authoritarian teacher, anyone who is telling you they know what the answer is for you run a mile, anyone who is offering you something that they giving you free autonomy to use and take, great, that's fine.

Jannecke Øinæs 36:56

Oh, I so agree. And I've also been on this path for a long time, encountering a lot of people, and I've also been quite naive and meeting spiritual teachers who were not empowering me, but empowering themselves, taking the power away from me and also saying, you know, this healing technique is the one. And I'm similar when I hear that, I'm like, not interviewing you, because there's always so many perspectives. There's not one truth in one way, in one way, there's always many perspectives. And to me, I've landed on that truth is truth from a perspective. And I think well said, Yeah, I've heard it from Jamie price, actually, and I loved it. And yeah, and yeah, my boyfriend is definitely grounding me, and I think there's a purpose for us coming together. And we laugh so much about this. You know, my spirituality, and I love laughing about it too, because I see the funny part of it too. You know what I'm doing?

Lee Harris 37:58

No, I see,

Jannecke Øinæs 37:59

but he's helping out a bit like booking guests and stuff. So he's opening up up now and noticing synchronicity. So I think something is happening, but that is his journey, and up to his, you know, higher self, and whatever he wants to open up to or not.

Lee Harris 38:15

Jannecke, I'd love if you don't mind, because I think this is important. What you just said, Someone once said to me, Oh, who was it? It was someone in my personal life. And they said something like, oh, well, I'm not spiritual like you are. And I said, No, you're spiritual like you are. And they were very thrown and I said, they said, What do you mean? And I said, Well, you're spiritual in your way. And they went, No, I'm not. And I went, Yes, you are. You're very kind. And I see how you love all your friends, and I see how you love your community. And last year, you tried therapy for the first time in your life, and you thought you'd never go, but you said it was very helpful. And she said, Well, that's not spirituality. And I said, Actually, spirit is our life. And I said there are some people who love psychic stuff and other people who will not love psychic stuff. There are some people who love self growth. It's different for everybody, and it shouldn't be forced upon you know what you should be? And to go back to some of those spiritual teachers who would say, this is the way. It's the same as medicine or healing or doctors, there are multiple different people who might work for you and there are multiple who might not. And you know, it's the same thing with modern medicine. It's such a gift that we have, that we live in a time where modern medicine is available, and the Z's have always said, Use both use modern medicine and use alternative medicine, depending on what is true for you in each situation, but most importantly, find the right people who you feel are helping you to do the research needed to heal you. And they told me that 20 years ago, and it really felt true to me at the time, and I'm happy to see that these days, it feels like there is more of that there is no. One size fits all. We're all different. We're all unique. We all need slightly different things. And I actually think we should celebrate that. I would hate it if this planet became full of the same kind of spiritual person, it would be so boring, right? So, you know, we're all different for a reason. Is, is my philosophy, and I think it's about, it's about, hopefully, any work that you put out there hopefully empowers people to find themselves or a piece of themselves on their journey, so that they can do what they're here to do.

Jannecke Øinæs 40:31

Oh, I so agree. And I mean being spiritual or not. I mean it's important to be in the heart and be a loving person, and we all sort of get that. But in this world, we have also the opposite, the real darkness and what we see in the world today, with wars and gruesome things happening, and it's so visible, we all see it. And after the Internet came like we're living in interesting times. And I think the Z's said that being incarnated now, incarnated now is a gift. So I would love to hear a little bit about what the Z's are saying about these times, because it seems like the darkness is really coming up for us to see it. Now, you did talk about that. It does ground us, so it does have a purpose. But you also wrote about book about the future human. So hopefully the future human has a higher level of consciousness and a more heart centered consciousness than we feel in the world today.

Lee Harris 41:36

Yeah, yeah. So the future human was a project I did with Regina Meredith from Gaia TV, another friend, and she's wonderful, and she's Regina, has spent her whole life, you know, looking at the underside and the shadow and bridging spirituality with some of the more corrupt aspects of our world. So the future human is it? That's a book and an audio book, and that goes very in depth into so many different aspects of our World War, the future of war, AI, technology, so many different things. And the one thing that comes through in that book that they talk about is they say it doesn't take many dark people to create a huge ripple. So what they maintain is that most people on the planet do not want war, are not in control of the wars, because it has been, if you like, there's a level at which our government and our people are not allowed to meet, and that's what they're saying is going to change in the coming decades. We're at the beginning of more revolutionary times where we are beginning to see people stand up and say no to things that are inhumane and that are, to put it kind of to put it in a nutshell, things that are not about protecting or preserving humanity or life on this planet. Instead, it's a different agenda, and apparently, that agenda has been going on for, apparently, 10,000 plus years, and we're now seeing it rise to the surface. So it's quite a deep book, The future human it definitely contains things I had never heard and would never have thought to ask, but Regina, while she was talking to the z's, got them to speak about a lot of this. They did say that heart energy is the currency of the future, so that's where we're going as a society. But that doesn't mean that the dark will disappear. And to clarify, I wasn't implying that the dark grounds us. It was more that what they were saying was, whenever you'll buy a high frequency spot on the earth, they'll often be quite dense, grounded. People who aren't flying off into the dimensions, they're very embodied and very grounded, which is a bit different to those who want to enslave, kill, attack, and of course, what we know about war, and I think what's so hard about it for those of us who either find ourselves in it or adjacent to it, is it's completely inhumane. And what we do know now is it's always about power. It's always about some kind of shift in power, shift in power around land, shift in power around money. You know, the researchers always say, follow the money. If ever there's a story that you're being told on the news, go behind it. See who's behind it. Five Stages deep, what isn't being reported is why. So we are encouraged to get into highly emotional, disempowered states about it. We aren't necessarily given an opportunity, even just this last weekend. You see, we're recording this a little earlier in June, but you know what's going on in Los Angeles right now, the riots that are happening around what's happening there, and the way it's being reported, and then the polarization, so the biggest way they keep us trapped. In the war cycle is polarization. You've seen it with what's going on in Israel and Gaza over the last couple of years. I just do not understand why I see people tearing each other down on social media about it. It doesn't make sense to me. So again, I'm not an expert on those topics, and I do understand that certain people hold information about them, but the more we want to attack or hate each other, the more war continues, its its hold, if you like, on society, and what we have to do is break our agreement to it, or are willing to not even go along with it, because it's actually more out of our hands than we than we realize, in terms of the way the power system is set up. So what we have to do is get to a place where there is some kind of push back from people, and that's what the Z's have said is going to happen. They've said we're already in it, but it's going to be increasing in the coming years and decades, and we are, according to Pam Gregory, the astrologer, where we're going astrologically, as we are coming into a more harmonic period in the coming decades. It's going to take time, but that's kind of what we're in. But right now doesn't look like harmony. It looks like what the Z's have described as a frequency battle that's going on and playing out on the planet. The most important thing they said is, for anyone who feels very depressed or upset or heavy about it, is you have to change your focus. Even if you're an activist on the front lines, you have to find ways to keep your energy field clear and find ways to give your energy field a break, let your nervous system reset and come back to life force. Because if you get very consumed by doom and gloom headlines, or you get very consumed by your activism in a way that puts you in that energy, you destabilize and you start to become part of it. So I think that's complex. I don't think it's that's a click your fingers and, you know, have a bath and everything's fine. I mean, it's that's quite deep work, what they're talking about. But they were very adamant that as we go through these coming years and decades, finding our own point of balance so that we can be of use in the areas that we are here to be of use is really important. Some will be frontline activists. Some will be sitting at home meditating for peace. Some will be in the middle taking care of their community. And we'll all play our part in the jigsaw, and that's part of the cleansing cycle of this war history on Earth, which they say comes from the galactic it's not, actually, it doesn't originate on Earth. It. It's galactic war that was brought to Earth 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of years ago that's still perpetuating in our in our system. So that's what the Z's say. It's not something I have a huge amount of knowledge on. I'm just repeating what I heard them talk about to Regina.

Jannecke Øinæs 48:07

So when you say frequency war, does that mean sort of a war between the lower frequencies and the lighter frequencies, basically evil against good.

Lee Harris 48:18

Yeah. I mean evil and good is tricky, because it takes us to religion. And religion has its own kind of shadows, fairy tales, fairy tales. That's true, that's true. There is that, yeah, although a lot of the fairy tales came from that too, I guess came from that kind of, you know, that kind of thinking. And the only reason I'm hesitant to say, to say, to use those words, is because I think it takes us back in time, and actually what we need to look at now is some of the more nuance and subtleties. So a frequency war today would literally be someone who is, yeah, working on behalf of hate or working on behalf of destruction, or deciding that one group is less valid than another, so let's wipe them out, let's limit them, let's put them and that's something we all have to help rebalance, because we all have to, you know, and I think we have been as a society, waking up to that more even just in the last decade or so. I feel like there has been a cultural reckoning with inequity between all the different cultures, races. Depends where you were born. It depends what you were allowed to do, so but the frequency war disease are talking about. They say you've been in the frequency war for quite a while, but it got a lot stronger around 2020, and around 2020 with everything that went on in the world, for you know that that two, three years, the frequency war, became more visible and showed its hand in a bigger way. And so more people started to question things, and started to look at, okay, well, hang on, are we being protected, or are we being so there was. A there was a big shift around, shall we say? Yeah, leadership, what's true? Leadership? What's leadership that doesn't actually care about people, but has a different agenda, and that's what we're what we're in right now. So the frequency war is playing out at a leadership level, but the way they get people to join in is to fan the flames using media or headlines. I've been privy to some of the big headlines over the last five years. I've been in some cases, I've been very adjacent to things that have been reported a certain way. And I was on the ground and that wasn't what was happening, but the way it's reported makes everyone go, oh my god, this is awful, and that gets you inflamed, and you go into fear, whereas those of us who were on the ground were going, well, actually, there was a lot of other things going on, and there was an incredible community support. And it wasn't just that headline that we've now chosen to show millions of people, which gives them this emotional reaction effect. So they've also talked about media, and they've said that media is going to change. Has been changing for years. They've been saying that for years. And I think the rise of, you know, so many YouTube channels like yours or mine or people are actually also out there doing beautiful journalistic work about what's going on on the ground and trying to bring good news to people that's going to help raise the frequency as well. And so it's it's needed. But I think the reason they talk about a frequency battle is it is very much. You can look over here and see some real dark things going on, and you can get consumed by being a spectator or a consumer of that, and get lost and get scared and get upset and get angry. And there's a place and a time in your life where maybe you do need to do that for a period to activate yourself in some way, but then you need to go, Okay, what am I going to do about it? Am I just going to sit in fear and sit in response, or is there something I can do that can help create a different frequency on Earth? And I think that's what I have seen a lot more people in the last two, three years, beginning to do, either in their local lives or in the work they do in the world, or in the way that they stand for things or stand up against things and be a spokesperson for a better way. Hmm,

Jannecke Øinæs 52:23

lovely, yeah, and maybe it's about fear and love. Many people are speaking about that polarization fear and love, that all emotions are either fear or either love.

Lee Harris 52:35

Yeah. I mean, I know that's a nice way of looking at it. I think that is true. But I guess because I'm someone who works with emotional nuance, because that's kind of where people unpick their emotions. I do. I don't disagree with the statement, I guess for me, I I, I don't think we as a society have had enough time to understand that. I don't think we have enough on the planet that helps us know exactly what that means. Because I think we hear that and we go, that's nice, but what does it mean? How does it show up? How can I give you example? And I think that's, I think more around that will help us be able to get to that point. And I see it with the younger generation. There are certain old souls coming in, in the younger Gen. I've met some beautiful 20 and 25 year olds recently. And I'm like, Oh, this is so great. You didn't have to go through what we did. We were the bridge generation to this kind of time. We had to do the slower, the slower way that, you know, the digging, digging, digging. And they're just like, oh, I can just emotionally express myself at 22 and I'm like, That's great. That's so nice, you know. So there's definitely, I think some of those, those souls I meet, seem to have the simplicity of that down, but our life isn't. I think our life is deliberately complicated by outside matters, and we do have to kind of find ways to de complicate and break it down to that simple statement, but I don't know if most of us on the planet really can use that as a measuring stick right now, because I I still think so many of us don't always know when we're in fear. You know, we're in fear in a subtle way, and it's making us over control something or be judgmental. You know, we have to see the ways that fear shows up in our lives, because it's not just when we're scared, it's a lower vibration that limits your ability to connect with or meet the moment in a very open hearted way.

Jannecke Øinæs 54:37

We have a few minutes left, and I was wondering perhaps if Z's has a message for us, and we could just ask them to talk about what our audience perhaps needs to know today,

Lee Harris 54:52

perfect. Be happy to just take me a second. Yeah.

Hmm, good. We are pleased that you raised the word love into the equation. Jannecke for love is your true home. It is what connects you all with each other. There is a beating heart inside you, and this we are not referring to as your, shall we say, organ. Instead, we are speaking about your heart chakra, located in the center of your chest. And this is the web of connection that you have to all other souls and humans on the planet, so you can feel another through your heart chakra. And this most occurs when you are, shall we say, deeply connected to another being or activity. Many of you feel very in your heart when you are gardening or when you are with another, where you are allowed to flow heart energy and love between you and the other. But equally, this is a time where many of you are beginning to learn that it is not personal when you cannot be open in your heart with another being. There are still some of you who are what we would call quite developed in your awareness and your understanding of life and how things work, who still have a tendency to wonder, What is wrong with you when you cannot have a heart to heart connection with another human? Well, we would say to you, if you are capable of having heart to heart connections with other humans, and it is this particular one that you struggle with, then it is not just about you, it is about the chemistry between the two of you and the chemistry fit between the two of you. So try and start to see things through that lens. If you are with someone and things are not flowing, and you are confused about this, because you enjoy flowing with people, and you are used to flow with people. It means that for whatever reason, you and this person do not generate flow in this moment. So perhaps a conversation with this person will open that up or allow it to happen. Or perhaps that is not what's meant to happen with this person, and you are supposed to understand, ah, this is not a flow relationship for me, now, it may still have its value. You don't all have flow relationships with one another. You don't all have relationships where love is flowing between you, but this time is very important for many of you to start to understand and discern who you are and who you are not many of you, when you hear this idea that you are unlimited, beings, think that you have to be and become everything. And we say, while you can connect to everything, it is not the remit for most of you as humans that you are going to come here to experience absolutely everything. For that would dilute the power of those experiences you could have if you stay focused in certain areas, which is why many of you come to this planet with certain missions, certain focus areas of your life that you tend to stay with, cultivate, develop. This is how many of you can truly develop the love inside you for your life, the more you master certain areas of your life, be it your work, be it certain relationships, be it certain pastimes or hobbies that you have, the more you flow your energy into it, the more you feel the flow of love inside your body. So the flow of love inside your body is very important. It is something for all of you to be aware of, and this conversation about love and fear is a good one for love and fear is a wonderful measuring stick, as it were, but as Lee alluded to in his response, it is important to understand that fear can be very subtle. You may not even feel that you are in fear when you are saying no to an opportunity that comes your way. But this is why it's good to truly sit with and notice yourself in any situation or scenario that is important for you. You may be saying no to something through very subtle fear, and it's good to sit with why you turn this down. For if you do, many of you will be able to notice what is going on and actually make an adjustment, so that next time you are asked, you will say yes, and you will move yourself into another dimension of reality by doing so. This is why many of you are fond of this phrase, comfort zone. It is helpful for you to know when your comfort zone is a little challenged, for it means you are doing something out of your usual programming conditioning or the norm. Now, when you are terrified, that is the furthest end of the scale of fear. And we would say if you are terrified of doing something that. Maybe it is worth not doing it, saving it for another time, investigating what would make you feel safer to do this thing. But a little discomfort or a little unease or a little nervousness or a little fear is usually where the soul is about to be allowed to do something that the human has stopped the soul from doing because of conditioning cultural family or otherwise. So with that said, Janneke, is there anything you would wish to ask us while we are here with you?

Jannecke Øinæs 1:00:30

Well, I wanted to ask how we sort of open up to 5d every, everybody seems to speak about 5d or the fourth density. And some are wondering about, well, how do I do it? How do I open my heart? How do I raise my vibration? So if you could say some final words about that, please,

Lee Harris 1:00:51

yes, we would say that what you speak about with 5d we understand this has become a little bit of a mental exercise for some people, they think there is some dimension of reality outside themselves that they need to somehow find or attain or reach. And what we will say is that fifth dimensional activity, which we did discuss in some detail with Regina, is something that you attain the more you operate from a place of flow and love, the more you operate from a place of flow and love, it means you are doing what you are here to do. So what we would say is find the things that mean a lot to you, that are true to you, that are important to you, and lean into them as much as you can, as often as you can, try and find a trust inside yourself that that which you wish to do here on this earth is what you came here to do, but equally, be kind and patient to yourself. That there may be a healing journey required to get you there. You may have to undo a lot of conditioning that you have gone through. A lot of times that you were suppressed, a lot of times that you are oppressed, that may all be stored in your body as you start to move towards this brighter version of your reality. So you see fifth and fourth dimensional living is moving in and out of you all of the time you are in the fifth dimension when you are feeling magnified in your heart, in your visionary mind, in your communication and your expansion. And many of you are learning to create the fifth dimension as more normal on earth together. So it is those relationships where you feel healing and flow occur. So rather than thinking of it as a place outside, you think of it as a place that moves in and out of you, that you your body move up and down the scale of the dimensions in the way that you live. So notice the things that stress or oppress you and see if you can move away from or transform those or practice them less. Think of the things that light you up and make you feel content and calm and see if you can practice those more and gradually, as you start to move the seesaw in your life in the direction of up, rather than down, by practicing more of the positives for you, not for others, Not what someone else tells you will put you in the fifth dimension, because it may be different for them, but for you, those habits, those people, those places, those things that light you up more and equally, letting go of refining or limiting those habits, people, places and things that you notice bring you down, you will naturally start to move into a higher dimension of reality. Good. Thank you so much. A pleasure to be with you all. It is beautiful to witness what you are doing here with your community. Janneke, you are a very curious group. You are very curious and thoughtful. So in many ways, this fiance of yours that you speak about, he is very representative of a great deal of your community. Not saying necessarily that they are skeptical, for skeptical is a strong word, and we would argue that very few people are truly skeptical. For all of you are and should be skeptical. To some degree, skeptical simply refers to when you don't know if you understand or believe, something which all of you have. By the way, even those who are the most spiritually open have certain things they aren't sure they know about or want to know about or care to know about. But where he is similar to your group, your community is you have some very fine minds in this community, and they are curious to understand things. So we would say that while that is a beautiful pursuit for all of you in this group, who are very heartfelt, it is beautiful to understand that the power of your heart is the power of your life. Yeah, so if you are able to access more of your heart through practicing more of the things that put you in your heart, and practicing that with people who allow you to be in your heart, rather than shut yours down, and you acknowledge that not everyone or everything on this planet is for you, then you start to find the resonance with those who are for you, those things that are for you, those pastimes that are for you. If you allow change to happen around you, it will also happen inside you, and then you will elevate to become the higher heart harmonic that you are here to become so in peace, in love and in heart to all,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:05:47

Oh, that was lovely. And they even brought up my fiance,yes,

Lee Harris 1:05:51

I made its way in, actually, that that would make sense, wouldn't it, but that somehow, if he's such a match with you, and you've got this community of people who enjoy it, would make sense, I guess, that there would be some element. And I, and I really, I heard them when they said the curious thing, I think that's really important. And I, I'm a big advocate for being skeptical, actually. I mean, there are things, there are things that, there are people I'm skeptical about, you know, I'm not skeptical about spirituality. I'm not I'm not skeptical about the existence of of of a world that we can't see or perceive in the way that we were trained to see and perceive, that that, to me, is a given. I'm skeptical about certain people. I'm skeptical about certain things happening on Earth. I think it's okay. I think it's healthy. I think it's good to test things and see if they work. So, yeah,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:06:42

I think so too. Lee, I have some final questions before I leave you and I ask all my guests this. And the first one is, what is self love to you, Lee,

Lee Harris 1:06:59

I would say allowing myself to do more of the not unlike what the Z's just said, it's allowing myself to do more of the things that actually make my heart happy. Yeah? And I've really been working on and practicing with that, especially in the last year or two. So yeah, that's what self love is to me. Yeah.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:07:19

And what is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective.

Lee Harris 1:07:24

Oh gosh. I don't know if I know the answer to that question, but in this moment, I will say, to live, to love, to experience, to share, to grow

Jannecke Øinæs 1:07:35

beautiful. Now if people want to connect with you, where would they go,

Lee Harris 1:07:39

right? So conversation with disease. Audiobook three is now on Audible, and any platform that you can download audiobooks and you can find all of my work at Lee Harris energy.com or I'm on YouTube at Lee Harris energy, and I also have Lee harrismusik.com for the healing music that I create with DeVore Bozic.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:08:01

Nice. Thank you so much for coming back to the show. It's what was beautiful, seeing you again and connecting

Lee Harris 1:08:07

you too, you too, and it's amazing. Gosh, what a change in the world that we've both gone through over the last 10 years, like personally and globally. So really lovely to see you again, and congratulations and good luck with your wedding. That's beautiful.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:08:20

Thank you.