The Angelic Blueprint! With Kyle Gray

Kyle Gray 0:00

I just saw the angel of death behind my mother. And I'm sure her time is coming. And I'm not joking, this figure appeared this huge, huge figure with a big hood, you know. And I was like, Oh my God, I've just seen death. Like, oh my you know. And so I was freaking out about it, but I was also like, keeping my cool, because you don't want to freak out your mother. And so she's like, Did you see something there? And I was like, Oh no, I was just dreaming. Just dreaming. So that night, I go home, and I'm like, That is freaking me out. Why was the angel so dark? We're a Jesus loving family, like we've all been the light. I close my eyes, and I say the prayer, you know, why was this angel so dark? And then I heard if the angel was to remove their hood, you would be blinded by their brightness. And then I realized that the angel has the hood on until it's time to go. And then they remove the cloth, and they are the portal in which you are taken to heaven.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:04

Kyle Gray, a warm welcome to the show.

Unknown Speaker 1:08

Thank you for having me. Jannecke, I'm so excited

Jannecke Øinæs 1:12

to be here with you. We had a conversation way back when it was in Oslo on this well being festival, but only 10 minutes with a lot of noise around us, and I've been really eager to have like in an in depth conversation with you, and now it's happening. You have just come out with a new book. Angels are with you now, and you are quite the angel expert. You've been working with this for, I don't know, over 20 years. You have written many books. You are a spiritual teacher with a difference, and I just value your work a lot. And I'm really excited to learn more about how we can connect with angels today and what angels are now. What I'm curious to learn first is how you got into this. Have you always had this deep connection with angels, or was it something you cultivated, worked hard for, and then you had this awakening where you started to connect?

Kyle Gray 2:12

I feel like, you know, first of all, very excited to be here. And, you know, I feel like you you create such a sacred space for people to really go deep. So I'm excited to do that, but yes, I feel like my my connection has always been there, and I think it really kicked off for me when I had what I can only describe as a spiritual awakening. When I was four years old, I had a virus called Guillain Barre Syndrome, which is a virus that attacks the nervous system, and it left me paralyzed for almost a year when I was around three and a half. And at the same time, my mother's mother, my Nana, she also was in a wheelchair. So was two people, both in wheelchairs in the same house at the same time, and my mother would care for us both. And it was around that time that I started to develop heightened senses where I couldn't run into the next room like I used to, and so I would imagine myself doing so, so I'd close my eyes, I'd imagine myself going into the next room, checking what was on the stove, like, you know, listening to people's conversations. And so when I look back, I probably was psychically training myself, but I don't realize that's what was happening. So around that time, my grandmother and I developed this incredible bond and to make things easier for my mother, who was looking after us both. If we were to go out for the day, my mum would put me in my Nana's lap in her wheelchair and belt us in, and we would share one wheelchair between two of us, and so we created this very strong special bond. She called me her boy, and it was like that for a good few months. But I'll I'll never forget this, this week in particular of my life, my parents were having a real hard time with their relationship. My Nana was moved into hospital, and my parents were attending to her at hospital, and a neighbor called Margaret was looking after me. It was the week school was starting. I was so excited to go to school and be a big boy and all that stuff. And I remember Margaret put me to bed, and I asked her to leave the light on, and I remember just going to sleep, but I woke up through the night. The light was off, but there was a light there, and at the bottom of my bed, my Nana was sitting, and I remember feeling so. So loved. And she turned me on my belly, and she tickled my back. And the next morning, the next morning, I woke back up and I was able to walk again. At this point, I had, you know, six months down the line, learned to walk again. My body healed itself, and my mom was like, What are you looking for? And I'm like, I'm looking for Nana. I'm looking for Nana, and she's like, Oh, she's not here. But it turns out that night, she'd actually crossed over, and I believe that my Nana, like everyone's loved ones, when they're crossing over, came back to see me. She came back to check on me, but because of my imagination and my heightened awareness, I was able to perceive her spirit, and I believe that's what opened me up and from that age onwards, because I was brought up in a very Christian household, and, you know, I went to Sunday school my entire life. I learned that when people go to heaven, you don't see them until you go there. But my big question was, if my Nana died, why was I able to see her? And it's the question I've spent the last 22 years of my life unpacking.

Jannecke Øinæs 6:14

Wow, wow. You were so young. I mean, four years old.

Kyle Gray 6:20

My first one anyway, yeah,

Jannecke Øinæs 6:24

the angels. How did you start to connect with them? Because that is sort of your, your thing.

Kyle Gray 6:31

Yeah, yeah. So that came in a little bit later. I had kind of fumbled my way around life, always feeling like I didn't really have a place to belong, and I found it really difficult to fit into religion, and I was trying to find myself amongst all of that. And I had been attending Sunday school, all that stuff. And during that time, about the age of 1314, this TV show came on called Buffy, the Vampire Slayer. And I started watching this. And in that show, if you watched it, there was a character called Willow, and she was like a witch, and she was interested in magic and crystals and energy healing. And so naturally, I was interested, like, could that actually be real? Is that something that exists out there? And I started going to the local library, and, you know, looking at all these books on magic, healing, all these different things. And then one weekend I was away with my dad. We were staying at his family friends down in London, and he put the lottery on, and I put a crystal, a green crystal, on top of his lottery ticket, which he won 10 pounds on. And this family friend said, Oh, I see you're interested in crystals. What about angels? Have you ever considered angels? And I said, Well, I don't feel called to that, because I'm not feeling connected to Christianity anymore. My Sunday school leader, who happened to be my cousin, said, Kyle is God or Buffy? And I chose Buffy, you know? And she was laughing. She said, No, no, no, no, no. Angels are more than a religious thing. Everyone has an angel. They are in every religion, but they are more than that. Why don't you come upstairs to my bedroom and I'll let you pick an angel cart. So I go upstairs and she, you know, brings out the beautiful cloth and lets me pick an angel card. And it's 14 years old, you know, like, what is going on? And my first card was synchronicity, and I remember being like, what does synchronicity mean? I've never heard of that before. And she said, she explained, you know, everything happens in a perfect time space sequence. She said, maybe this is a synchronicity, you know, like me. So overnight, I became obsessed with this idea of angels, but not only that that we could communicate with them, that through these cards. And so as soon as my birthday came along, three weeks later, I used all the vouchers that I got for the bookstore to get angel cards, books on angels, meditation, all these things, and I just went full in on angels. And nothing had happened, nothing spiritual, nothing woo, woo. I was just trying to have an experience and reading everything. But the main thing that I read, which was my first moment where the angel really came into my life, was an after effect of me having that virus and being paralyzed was nerve damage, and I had a migraine headache that lasted from the age of four until this point in my life. I had a daily migraine. I'd take heavy medication for every single day, and I learned that if you asked or prayed to angels for. Help, then they could help you. Janneke, and I was like, well, if, if that is possible, I'm going to do it. So I said, you know this meditation one night, if angels are out there, thank you for taking away my headache. And it did. It disappeared like over the space about four days. I remember my mother was saying to me, you haven't taken your medication. I kept saying, because I don't have a headache, I don't have a headache. And she's like, Okay. And then, you know, like a week or two had passed, you're still not taking any of that medication. I'm like, because I don't have a headache, the angels have healed my headache. And that was my first there wasn't a vision, it wasn't a visitation, it was just an experience that I had had some sort of healing effect from this prayer. And then a few weeks down the line, sorry, a few months down the line, I'm starting to get really good at reading angel cards for people, and like practicing, and I was basic, you know, I had no psychic training. I had no idea what I was doing, but my mum was going to her friend's house for a barbecue, and she said, why don't you take your angel cards with us, and you can do a reading for everyone at the table. So we went to this family friends barbecue, and then there was two benches, and they were like, You should set up your little psychic studio over there. So I put my cloth down and my crystals, and I started, one by one, doing readings for everyone at this party. And there was this gay couple there that my mum's friend worked with, and they were really excited at the idea of getting, you know, their fortunes told, as they called it. And I said, No, I'm not a fortune teller. Sometimes I can bring guidance through from angels. And I did the first reading, and he thought it was quite good. And the second reading is the reading that changed my life forever. I put the angel cards out on the table, and this man was sitting across from me, and I said, close your eyes, and think about anything you would like help with or support with, and when you're ready, let me know. And in my mind I'm going, if there's any angels here, please come through. Please. Let me be accurate. Let me give this guy some guidance and to prove that you're real. And then all of a sudden, I just start to hear music in my mind. And the music was, was a song by Destiny's Child, believe it or not, and it was survivor. And it's going, I'm a survivor, you know, and I could hear this song, I'm a survivor. I'm a survivor. So the guy goes, right, I'm ready. And I opened my eyes, and I said, Can you hear that? And he said, Hear what? And I say, I can hear Destiny's Child survivor. In my mind. Does that have any relevance to you? He's like, No. And I then closed my eyes, and I had been watching all these TV shows on, like, haunted stuff and all that, and they're all going show yourself, you know, like if you're there. So I just went, if there is an angel here, thank you for bringing through your presence. And all of a sudden, this light just arrives beside him like I elongate. It's making my hair stand on end thinking about this moment, this light just arrived. And the angel then said, tell this man. He is a survivor, like very powerful. And I then said, there's an angel standing behind you right now, and he's like, what? And I'm like, there's an angel here, and it wants you to know that you're a survivor. And he said, What do you mean? I'm a survivor. And then I just started going, it feels like you've tried to leave the planet. It feels like you've tried to escape. You've not been happy with your life here, but something is keeping you alive. You are a survivor, and he freaked out. He freaked because he he just did not know like what to do with that information, and he just stood up and left the party, and my mum was like, What's going on over here? And I was like, I think I saw an angel which completely disappeared. And she was like, we're going to speak about this later. But later on that night, my mum got a phone call, and it turns out this man had actually tried to take his own life several times, and every time he did something intersected that moment and saved his life. And that's why the angel came through to tell him that he was a survivor.

Jannecke Øinæs 14:34

Oh my goodness, wow, powerful. And from there on, it just opened up more and more your connection to them.

Kyle Gray 14:42

So what would happen would be, every time I did the reading, close my eyes, say the prayer, then more and more these beings would start to come. And this was a time like just before the internet got big, you know. So it was the day of the telephone, and everyone phoned every. One. So all of a sudden, my mum's home phone just kept going, hello. Is this the home with the boy who can speak to angels? I'd like to have a conversation with a boy who can speak to angels. You know, like I grew up in a small ship building town. You know, everyone knew all of a sudden, and one by one, people would start coming to my home for me to start speaking to their angels for them,

Jannecke Øinæs 15:24

and speaking of you seeing an angel, and I've always been curious what an angel is, how they look like. And I want to tie this up to your mom passing away, sadly a half a year ago, where you were very much part of that process with with her going over to the other side, and you actually saw an angel or a being behind her with a black hood that seemed it dark. Dark. Yeah, it was. And then you were curious about, Why is it dark? Like, what was going on here? And then you had a profound message that explained to me, you know, a little bit about what angels are.

Speaker 1 16:11

You know, over the years I've, I've juggled with it, Jannecke, like, because there's so many different ideas about angels out there, and I think what we as humans try to do is try and put it into a human context, you know. But in the grand scheme of things, if you really want to get to the bones of it, an angel is just pure divine energy, that's it. And it's energy showing itself to us in a way that is personified, so that we can have a direct experience of it. So angels are just pure divine energy emanating from the heart of source. They're not separate from source. They are one with source always, but can appear as separate so that our human being can comprehend what they actually are. So I like to think that if God was to be a heart, and I say God, and I mean the universe, the quantum field, wherever you feel, you know, the source of creation is if that was to be a heart, every time its heart was to beat, the beat would be an angel. They are part of that same energy, just emanating from it, just as we are. But it's, it's, it's disembodied. It's not physical, pure, energetic. So that's what an angel is. But the over the years they've they've come to understand through divine intelligence that we need to make sense of energy, and so it shows itself to us in a way that we will understand and can connect with it and relate to it, and that's what's happened for me. So when I see angels, it's more like humanoid kind of like figures, either sometimes with my physical eyes, which is nuts, and then sometimes with my mind's eye and I interchanges, and then sometimes it just shows up as a feeling, a knowing or a voice, but it changes all the time. When I had that first experience of the angel with that man, it was like a golden figure, kind of like the movie cocoon, if you've ever seen it, they're like these elongated light figures with really big black eyes, and it was kind of like, like that, you know, not blinking. And then when, when we were getting to the point where my mum, I didn't think my mum was going to die that soon, you know, I had had a feeling that some she hadn't been well, but I had had a feeling that I needed to get a second opinion from a doctor. And I had said I called her family friend, who's like, a she's like, she does real medicine, but also energetic medicine. And I said, Hey, I'd love for you to come and visit my mum, just to, like, check in on everything. She said, No problem. I can be there, you know, tomorrow morning, 9am i Great. And after she was finishing mum, she said, Do you want to walk me downstairs? And I said, Sure. So I walked downstairs with her, and she says, Listen, I want to be really honest with you. I don't think your mom has more than a year left of her life. And I said, Okay, I really appreciate the frankness of that, because that will let me, you know, prepare, like, do all the things we need to do. And when I went back upstairs, you know, my mum was watching TV, which was her escape, and I'm just sitting gazing at her. And then this figure appeared, you know, this huge, huge, bigger, with a big hood, you know? And it was like that, you know, you cannot see a thing. And I was like, Oh my God, I've just seen death. Like, oh my you know. And so I was freaking out about it. But I was also like, keeping my cool, because you don't want to freak out your mother and, you know, you. And so she's like, Did you see something there? And I was like, Oh no, I was just dreaming. Just dreaming. So I leave, I've got the texts to my cousin. I text my cousin, who's like my sister, and I was like, I just saw the angel of death behind my mother. I'm and I'm sure her time is coming. And I'm not joking. That same day, we had to call on 999 to get an ambulance for my mother, which was so surreal. And the next is, should we get her to hospital? And the next day, the doctor says to me, it's just a matter of months for your mom. The next day, just a matter of weeks, the next day, days, you know, just like, like that. So that night, I go home, and I'm like, That is freaking me out. Why was the angel so dark? Like, you know, we're a Jesus loving family, like, we've all been the light. Like, why is this so? And I, I close my eyes, and I say the prayer, you know, why was this angel so dark? And then I heard if the angel was to remove their hood, you would be blinded by their brightness. And then I realized that the angel has the hood on until it's time to go. And then they remove the cloak, and they are the portal in which you are taken to heaven.

Jannecke Øinæs 21:18

Wow, wow. That was very healing for me. Somehow I saw your story on Instagram and it just Yeah. So much yeah. Because big woman, yeah, yeah, it must have been. I've also had experiences with beings with a hood in dreams and stuff like that, scared. And my mom has two and so. So I was curious about that in your book, angels are with you. Now, you probably write about this. And I think many of us are curious how many angels are with us. Some are speaking about the guardian angels. Others are speaking about the archangels, and some are speaking about the archangels like an archangel is Earth, another archangel is a galaxy. I don't really understand what Archangels are and guardian angels. So if, from your perspective, you could right.

Kyle Gray 22:19

I think the most important thing is, when I came into the angel world, there was a lot of different teachers before me, you know, who had been speaking for 20 plus years, and they kind of set this precedence that was put in place. And so when I came in and I started seeing what was different to them, people would play us off each other, like, oh, he says this. She says that that determines if he's right, he's wrong, all these different things. And so, you know, a lot of the main teachers out there would always say you're only you only have one guardian angel. And that's kind of a descendant from Catholicism. You know that you have this guardian angel that is with you through your life. But in Islam, people have two angels, and you know, one on each shoulder, one recording all the good deeds, and one recording all the bad deeds. So there's all these different contrasting thoughts and opinions on that. My idea is that you have as many angels as you need, and you can have more and more and more. And that my ideas changed on that this one time, I'm very experienced based, you know that I was at a festival, and this little girl was coming towards me, and she was coming down the hallway, and she had eight angels, eight. Wow. I was like, it was like, she was on a catwalk, you know, and she had all these angels with but she was a little girl, maybe 10 years old, and she was waving, she's waving at me, like, hi, and I'm waving back, you know, like, wait, and her mum and her marching down to meet me. And the mum says, you know, my daughter's been so excited to meet you. She's desperate to have a conversation with you. And I said, Oh, I'm so glad that you're here. And then she went, Well, can you see anything? You know, like, that's what she did. And I said, Well, yes, you've got eight angels. She went. And her mom went, how many? And I went, eight. Your daughter has eight angels? And she said, My daughter has died eight times, right and now. And I was like, I get them all the time. Yeah, the little girl goes, Yeah, look. And she does this, and she has this ginormous, like, big, thick scar down her chest, and she had several open hearted surgeries, and she had died on the doctor's table eight times, oh my goodness. And every time she came back to life, another angel came in with her. So I think everyone has more than one. Angel that has is with us at all times. The Guardian Angel is kind of like the soul record keeper, and the angel has not been with you in one lifetime, but many, many, many, many. And the reason that many people are so drawn to the angel's wisdom, guidance and connection is because on some deep level, your soul is remembering them from before. So if you feel called to know your angel, it's because you can remember them on a soul level when you were in heaven too. And so that's why it feels like such a connection that's there. But say you're going through a change in your life that requires more help, or you, you say prayer for help, then the divine will echo an angel as an echo, as I call it, it will echo out to you, this energy that will hold you, and the angel that is best helpful to that situation will join you on your mission. So that's the way I see it. So angels can come and go with you, dependent on what you're facing. And I also believe that when loved ones go to heaven, they can also donate their angel to you to stay with you on your journey.

Jannecke Øinæs 26:19

Yeah, you know, I love your humbleness with saying like, my view on things have changed, because sometimes we could tend to put spiritual teachers on a pedestal exactly, you know, with your point of, oh, is it like this or like that? Oh, they are predicting each other. One must be wrong. And like you said in another video, I don't have all the answers. I don't just so lovely to hear, because a lot of people, I think, would assume that, since you have this connection, you know everything, but you're still human, and you have your experiences. And then there comes an interpretation as well, because maybe you are shown certain things, and another angel expert is shown other things, and the creation is huge. So,

Kyle Gray 27:11

right. And I don't want to dispute the fact of anyone else's experience, like, if someone says they believe this, or that's what their feeling is on, I'm like, Cool, that's that's absolutely good, and it's okay to have a difference of opinion on things, you know. And I certainly don't want to be someone that creates dogma or rigidity around something that is energetic, you know, because energy always changes, and so, yeah, important to be like that.

Jannecke Øinæs 27:42

And it seems like the universe is talking to us very individually, many times in symbols that only I could understand or you could understand, and in near death experiences, we see that, and I'm just blown away all the time, how huge this creation, this universe is, like, it's constantly new things, new things people are experiencing that I'm like, I've never heard that was possible before. And I think, you know different ways, like some Can, can maybe have many angels, some can have fewer. Maybe it has to do with soul contracts. I don't know. Like, yeah, I just,

Kyle Gray 28:17

who knows?

Jannecke Øinæs 28:18

Who knows? However, it seems like they do exist. And to my left brain, I'm like, Okay, so are they a being? You said, divine energy. But would you say that they are a being, like a soul, that I perceive the two of us?

Kyle Gray 28:39

Yeah, it's, you know, I know that sounds crazy, but if you go into all the a lot of the main spiritual teachings out there, they all tell us that we are one, and we are this like from the one, so we are all interconnected. And it's the same thing. The angels are part of the one, but emanating as individual, but ultimately still one.

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Kyle Gray 30:10

When I think of that, it means that where I have come from is also where I have never left. And so the angels are there too. So like, it might feel like the angels are out there, but actually feels like it's back here. You know, it's kind of like a place that I'm still present in, and that's been so hard to get your head around sometimes, you know,

Jannecke Øinæs 30:35

yeah, definitely. Now, how do we connect with them? Why is it that there are so many people who said, I pray to angels, and they didn't save me, they didn't say, my mom, my dad, my daughter, my son, and I prayed many times, and I know that's hard to ask, you know, but I'm asking, and nothing is happening.

Kyle Gray 30:56

I know I have struggled so much in my life, particularly when I've met parents who have lost children, like I really struggle. And I, you know, when people say everything happens for a reason, and I'm like, I cannot put my hand on my heart, look at someone in the eyes and say that I find that really hard, and I struggle with it a great deal. The one thing that has always brought me great comfort is that no one has ever lost like that. Really feels like that to me. When my mum died, sure, it was hard, you know, and just it was just me, my mum, pretty much the entirety of my life. My parents divorced. I'm still very close to my dad, but it was me, my mom, my whole life. So that was everything I ever knew. But it felt natural to me for her to go, even though she was only 66 you know, I was like, Yep, she's returned. And I feel comforted knowing that she returned to a place that that I also have come from, and it so for for me, what I have come to understand is that in the eyes, in the mind of the angels, no one is ever lost. No one has ever lost. Our human heart and our human comprehension cannot understand why someone has been lost or not saved, or anything like that. But in their eyes, no one is ever lost. They're always returning home, like, that's real, that's the truth. But I also sometimes find it difficult to understand why certain people are saved, or certain people are not, or I have not gotten to the answer yet. I sit with it all the time. I ask all the time, but I've never been able to, like, give a concrete answer, and I don't know why, so they are not giving you that answer, yes. Like, Well, anytime I ask, it's always a very elusive response. It's always like, the interconnectedness of all things. And whenever I've said the questions around, why were they not saved? And that is the answer to that. Was always under whose perception, like humans, right? And so they don't think like that. They're like, we're not attached to any material thing. Like, yeah, why didn't you save my dog or my mom or my under whose perception? Because no one was not saved, right?

Jannecke Øinæs 33:27

Yeah, that's the thing. I think we're heard anyway. However, I am curious, is it very important that we do ask? Because some are saying you have to ask the angels for help, otherwise they won't intervene.

Kyle Gray 33:40

There's, there's a little, there's a little part to play with that is that, do you know where that lesson came from? As far as I can see, it's from Mother Mary, when she had the Annunciation of of Jesus, when Gabriel appeared to Mother Mary and says, Do not be afraid. I am an angel of the Lord. You will give birth to the King of kings, Mary said to Gabriel, the archangel, and let all of what you have just said be true. She had a choice. So it was almost like there was a message here that when angels come in, we can choose whether we accept their their help or not, and to encourage that to happen, we can ask for their help, like, that's what that is. However, there are many people that I have met in my life who have been saved and did not say the prayer. And I asked the angels why that happens, and the angel said that many of us are being protected by the prayers of others. So like, if your grandparents or your parents or your you know children said a prayer in your honor, then sometimes their prayers protect us too, huh? So that's why. So sometimes you don't have to ask for yourself. You can ask for someone else, and given there is enough grace and space, the angels can intervene on behalf. Half of your soul. For example, I also met this woman who was was going up the highway in the US, and she was driving, listening to her music as normal, and she then just heard this voice move into the next lane now, and she, without question, moved into the next lane, and right in front of her, this truck had all these logs, and they just came pouring off the back of the truck. And if she didn't listen, then she would have had an accident. So there's always a choice every time an angel comes to help us, and I think there's many people who maybe didn't choose to listen when the angel came to intervene. And so people down here were like, Why didn't the angel save them? Maybe the angel came in and told them to do it, and they didn't act on the message. That's also something we need to recognize.

Jannecke Øinæs 35:52

I remember a story with my father. He was in France driving and then he got stomach pain all of a sudden, like it really hurt, and he slowed down, and around the corner, there came another car driving really fast and like, going like that in two lanes. And my dad was able to slow down, you know, and and stop and go to the side, but if he had continued, he realized he would have hit and they were Yeah, and the stomach problem just went away immediately, just like that. And I was like, I love that, because I'm, I'm pretty sure if the angels would have said, slow down, John, slow down, he wouldn't have believed in that. What? But health issues. He's always like, oh, so that was like the angel.

Kyle Gray 36:44

That was his language, that was his way,

Jannecke Øinæs 36:47

yeah, so I never forgot that. So that's amazing,

Kyle Gray 36:51

yeah. I wonder who protected them or what protected them.

Jannecke Øinæs 36:57

So if people listening and watching now they want to help. Who should we pray to? Archangels? Are they? You know, faster workers? Are they more powerful?

Kyle Gray 37:10

Yeah, arc, archangels have a more a bigger power because the faith that people put in them. That's why so many people are called to Archangel Michaels. There are so many people across the world who believe in St Michael and feel called to protected and supported by St Michael. And yes, Michael's energy is so wow and powerful and intense, but because there's so much belief in that that also intensifies its capacity to help us. So an archangel, for me, is just another gigantic pilot pool of energy that that we can connect to. And the archangels, the reason that they're so famous is because of their inclusion in Scripture. Like, that's really what it is. So, like, you know, the archangels are in the Torah. They're in the New Testament. They're in the Quran, you know, like, so, because there's all these stories of wonder and connectedness and power and all these different forms of Scripture, the come across as these real, trustworthy, powerful beings, the archangels are more like the managers of the heavenly realms, if you will. You know, if the angels are kind of like the day to day workers, the archangels are the directors. And a lot of people out there have channeled different ideas about what Archangel can help with this and what Archangel can help with that. As someone who wanted to be a religious studies teacher, you know, I look into the scripture of it all, and then the one thing I found amongst people who give ideas about Archangels is it's either the interpretation of the Hebrew for their name. So, for example, Michael means he who is like God, and God, in Scripture, is big and powerful and ferocious, and so that's how all these ideas have been attached to Michael. Raphael means healed by God, or he who heals so is connected to being able to heal. So all these different things have attached to the angels and then people then add more to it. But as far as I'm concerned, when I call on angels, I just say, angels, thank you angels for helping me with this, and I see it like it's already been done. So I'll say, you know, I can deal. I can say something really trivial, like, for example, my boyfriend and I were in London, and we went to this restaurant, and they said it'll be 45 minutes for a table. And so we sat down and we got a drink, and we ordered some chips. And I was like, as in crisps. And I was like, we could just. Ask the angels to put us to the front of the line. And he's like, do it. And I was like, Thank you angels for making sure our buzzer rings now. And I went like that. And he went, You are so spooky.

Jannecke Øinæs 40:14

I've heard that before that we could actually ask about trivial things as well

Speaker 1 40:19

you can. But the reason for the trivial things is actually to show you the capacity that they really have. So for me, what I say to people is, make 99% of your prayers be about service.

Jannecke Øinæs 40:36

Okay, that's helpful.

Kyle Gray 40:38

Yep, serving others like, How can I help? Pray for people, places, things, all these different things. Make it all about that. And then through what I call divine compensation, your 1% can be about what you need, what you need support with, what you need help with.

Jannecke Øinæs 40:55

Oh, wow. And then the interesting question comes in, isn't there ego in that as well. Like I want to help others, because then, you know,

Kyle Gray 41:06

I think you I think most people want to genuinely help the human race, right?

Jannecke Øinæs 41:13

Yeah, but Okay, so I want to help people, because then my channel will grow or then my right, yeah, I feel better about myself. I will feel like a kind person, like I remember there was an episode on friends, and I love friends, way back when, with Phebe and Joey, and they were speaking about, is there any deed that is without an ego? Can there be like any deed that is without ego and they couldn't find it, because there's always sort of an interest that is coming from? Okay, I do this and I feel good, but there's nothing bad about that. I was just thinking. But isn't that ultimately about me feeling good about me doing something good?

Kyle Gray 42:08

It's a good question.

Jannecke Øinæs 42:11

Yeah, I don't have an answer.

Kyle Gray 42:13

I think if you're if your prayers are a display, then sure, but if they're personal and quiet in your own space, then I'm not sure.

Jannecke Øinæs 42:25

Maybe it's the intention behind it, like the vibration.

Kyle Gray 42:29

Can I be honest with you, though I never worry about the ego conversation, it's not something I spend a lot of time on. Like, Oh, is this got ego in it or not? Because I feel like, I feel like my my dharma is to strive to be the best with the ability that I have. And I feel like if the universe needs to reroute me, it will, whether I like it or not. And I guess I was brought up to I was brought up to be God fearing, as we call it. I don't know if that makes sense to you. You know, like I always know that there is an implication for every action. Like I genuinely feel that. And so it's not a good thing to be God fearing, I have to see because I think God is loving, but I've been brought up that way so that it makes me choose wisely and in life. But yeah, I think it's a great question. I'm going to sit with that myself. I love, I love to be challenged on things like that. Is that ego based?

Jannecke Øinæs 43:41

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Kyle Gray 44:22

I'll tell you something. Praying for other people is a big part of my life. I really felt called to do it more than ever. And I'll tell you what happened. I love candles that you get in chapel, you know, the ones with like Our Lady of Grace on the front, or whatever. And I I have them at home. And so every Friday, I light a new one, and I put a picture up on online and and I put, you know, how you can ask questions on Instagram. I say, add your prayers here. And so people can add their prayers. And I. It, and I go through them, it's so hard to read like, it's it like, it really, it like, chokes me up to see, like, how many people are going through like, such hard things. Yeah, it's unbelievable. And so recently, I think my I've doubled down on my prayers for others. So every Friday, I'll sit and I'll go through every single request, and I'll be like, Dear God, thank you for hearing their prayer all the way down the list. And it's like, I'm like, if that, if, if, even if they know, or they don't know that I'm sitting reading them all, if my if I can help their prayer get louder, then I feel like, you know, it's the best thing I could ever do.

Jannecke Øinæs 45:50

Yeah, many speak about high vibe or low vibe, and I it has to do with the intention behind it. I think you're right from like, you can ask yourself, is this coming from the intention that I actually want to help, or is it going to like help my Instagram? That's I know. I'm just thinking about also myself, like I sometimes I have to ask, is this coming from fear, or is it coming from love my action? Because a lot of my fears comes from fear. I know I'm a fear based person like everybody else. A lot of the times, training myself to trust more love based person and that

Kyle Gray 46:28

I think you're very love based person,

Jannecke Øinæs 46:30

I am trying to be, I'm trying to like

Kyle Gray 46:34

you're a very genuine person. You know, I think that that's a very great gift to have, is to be a very genuine, open hearted person.

Jannecke Øinæs 46:42

Thank you. Yeah, maybe a bit too open, sometimes sharing, over sharing.

Speaker 1 46:48

Oh, god bless. My friend texted me just before we came on. He's a professional fighter, and he was, he had a big fight on Saturday, and he got sick food poisoning just before the fight, and he had to cancel, and it was like a huge moment in his career. And, you know, we've known each other for 10 plus years, and he was like, Kyle, like, I What do you do when you have these like moments where everything and he's like, I'm trying to write my gratitude and I'm trying to be great. I was like, bro, like, when, when my mum was dying, I could not write a gratitude journal. I was like, I am not doing that, you know, I just can't do that right now. I'm like, don't write. Don't be grateful. You don't have to be you don't have to be like, you're okay. You've just went through a grievance in your life. Feel that instead, just like, be there. Yeah, you know, I think it's important, like we can just feel sometimes we need to feel shitty.

Jannecke Øinæs 47:45

Yeah, you'd speak about that in another conversation that the angels are speaking about facing your darkness and how important that is. And I'm going to tie that up to the time we're living in, because you were saying that you read so many tough stories about how people are suffering a lot and so. Do the angels have any messages about these times that we're going through? Is it more important now than ever that we face our darkness, for example?

Kyle Gray 48:16

Right. Yep, because I feel like the way the world becomes a brighter place is if we can deal with our own individual shadow self, like the parts of ourselves that we've not allowed the light to shine on. You know, the parts of ourselves, our fears, our concerns, our own limited belief systems, like when we face those that's how we can be a greater light to humanity. And I think a lot of people come to people like me when there's a bit of a difficult time in a political space, you know, and like that happens. A lot people project their concerns about politics on me, for example, in my work, like, what have you got to say about this person or that person? And I'm kind of like, I honestly don't know. I genuinely, I find that really difficult, because unless it's about Scottish politics, you know, we've got our own concerns over here. So I think a lot of people project that the angel should have the answers with regards to political leaders, or what's happening with the planet and all these things. But I think where we need to start is on the inside with our own selves. Like, where in my own life, am I holding grievances? Where am I in myself? Am I holding unforgiving thoughts? You know, you know all these different things that we are quite quick to overlook and go out there, but really that is a diversion from our own opportunity to heal, you know. And I think that through our own healing, we then affect those around us, and that's what starts to wave that can help the greater healing of the planet, you know.

Jannecke Øinæs 50:00

What is the most powerful message that the angels are conveying through you to to the world?

Kyle Gray 50:08

I feel like so I want to be really clear on this. I feel my work is for the day to day person. My My work is not for world leaders. It's not for, you know, people in power. I think there's other greater assets to them. I don't understand that stuff. My work is about day to day people, because I'm a day to day person, you know, like I'm not educated and you know, all these things. So my the message that I receive for the people in my world and who I work with is the main message is you're not alone, like that is the main message. And I think the majority of people act out in certain ways because they do feel alone, you know. And so the calling back to your true nature and where you have come from, is what my work is all about, is to remind people that they are part of something greater and that the angels are here to hold them coming back to that place. I can tell you right now that it's much easier to be negative and to follow the same story of your parents and their mistakes and all these is so much easier, like walking the spiritual path and living a life of authenticity is so much more difficult, but I can guarantee you it's way more rewarding, and the way you start that journey is by recognizing that you're not alone, and that's what the angels are here to do. They're here to call you back to recognize that spirituality is not individuation, it's not independence, it's connectedness and oneness.

Jannecke Øinæs 51:59

That's beautiful, that's healing in itself, I feel

Speaker 1 52:04

it's so generic. You are not alone, but that is what my work is about. My work is to help people not feel alone anymore.

Jannecke Øinæs 52:12

Do you also feel we are in the shift of consciousness? Y

Speaker 1 52:20

es, yeah, I am. I really, so I am. I really believe in that, what they call the goal. People were calling the Golden Age, and then Donald Trump started calling it the golden age, and I'm like, Hold on, I'm not sure we're talking about the same golden age. I'm not sure, not sure. I'm not, you know, I can't see either way. But I genuinely believe that there is an opportunity for the world to ascend. You know, I genuinely do believe that. I do believe that. And you know how Christians have always spoke about how Jesus is coming back. I don't think Jesus like a man's gonna show up, you know, with a floating on the water moment. But I think the Christ is already here, and we need to grasp it. Christ consciousness. Christ consciousness. It's here, and I think people are awakening to it. I think as soon as it's lost, is the moment we start meddling consciousness and politicalness, and, you know, like own agenda, like, that's where it's lost. That's what it's lost.

Jannecke Øinæs 53:31

I have to ask, do you see any angels here in this room with me?

Speaker 1 53:36

I'll tell you, there's a few things I see with you, if you're okay with me, to share I am I actually saw two angels with you, one on each side of you, and I felt like the reason that you had two angels is because it feels to me like you have had two lives. Like that's what I could feel when I speak to you. And I feel like I'm not sure about your own personal journey, but what I will say to you is it feels like in your life, you were given a crossroads moment where you were either going to go this way and follow that path, or you're going to follow this path over here. And it feels to me that another angel came to you at that point of your life, and like I said, it'd be easier to follow the other one. And I think that's what happened for you, is that everyone and everything was telling you to go down a different path to the one that you have chosen. But something in your heart told you to go in the direction in which you are following right now. And I think it's because, like you're speaking about having your ego in check. One life for you would have been more egoically enjoyable and easier and fruitful on paper, but it wouldn't have been fruitful for your soul. So I can see these two angels that were here, and the angel that on your left hand side is the angel of your chosen path, is what I'm going to call them for you today. And it's because you made a choice in your life to go in a new direction, a direction that was a road the less traveled, a road that that really lit up your heart, but made things more challenging and less easy, but the road that you'll always be proud of, and that's why you have two angels with you. The other angel is your record keeper, the angel that has been with you for your entire existence. And you know they weren't of the other path. They were just there with you through all. And that angel, when, when I saw them, do you know who I what? They brought me the vision of Mary Magdalene for you.

Jannecke Øinæs 55:53

Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 55:54

right. And Mary Magdalene, the reason why she appears to me, in my mind, as she stands up against all the other voices she stands up against, like voices of oppression, and she's like the underdog, but ultimately the greatest teacher and the the message that I keep being told to say to you today is that you are a vessel and that you're holding way more than you can even recognize that you're holding way more within your and more is to come. And I feel that you're actually I don't know what you do, because you know it's been a long time since we've had a deeper conversation. But I do feel like you are a spiritual teacher. And the reason that you are a spiritual teacher is because you ask questions and you go deeper, and you're willing to go to the places that people haven't been before and and ask and be uncertain, and the uncertainty is what actually makes you an incredible voice for this time, huh? So that's, that's, that's what I can feel. And, you know, I, you know, I'm not going to speak about like I could do all the psychic stuff and speak about your day to day life, but I felt very mission driven when I turned into your angels. And I feel like this next phase of your life will kind of fork off in the road again. You're going to have another moment, or your life will feel like that, where you're constantly having to choose this or that, this, or that, this or that, and that'll frustrate you, you know, because you know you're always trying to do what's right in the right thing, and you do things you know properly, and you never do things In half measures, and so when you're having to choose this or that, this or that, throw you off course.

Jannecke Øinæs 57:47

Interesting I don't know what that's going to be about, but I am writing a book, though, which is a new chapter. Never done that, so that's going to be interesting. Yeah. So thanks.

Unknown Speaker 58:01

Good. What about the two lives thing?

Jannecke Øinæs 58:05

Yeah, yeah. I used to be a musical theater artist, so that resonated percent and I were Oh yeah, yeah. That was my Oh. That was my dream. So ever since I was seven years old, that was my plan. I had all these roles as a child star in Norway, up to I was like 28 or something like that, and I just quit the whole musical theater path, and I started with these interviews. Oh my goodness, YouTube, and I've been doing that ever since. And of course, other things as well, like online courses and stuff like that.

Kyle Gray 58:42

But, yeah, I love you are a teacher. You're a spiritual teacher.

Jannecke Øinæs 58:45

Then I've never looked at myself as a spiritual teacher, but, but I love what you said about the uncertainty, because feels good, yeah, because I want to be authentic. And after doing all these interviews, I've come to that there is not a solid answer that sometimes I feel people are looking for, is like, is it like that, or is it like that? My experience is that it can be like this or like this or like this. Like, there's so many perspectives to this. Like, what kind of perspective Do you want to see it from? So and that feels authentic to me. And sometimes it feels a bit scary to be that raw, you know, with no answers, just questions.

Kyle Gray 59:31

What about the Magdalene? Have you ever felt called to her?

Jannecke Øinæs 59:35

I've actually been to South France, visiting places she she might have been having the last part of part of her life. So yeah, I've been interested in it, not like religiously, but more like from a spiritual sense. I've been, yeah, like, admiring her in a sense, like,

Kyle Gray 1:00:02

Oh, she's definitely with you. Then that's good, the Magdalene energy.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:00:05

yeah. But I mean, that was spot on. It seems like it's two different lives, like me as a child star, musical theater artist, and then me as this.

Kyle Gray 1:00:15

So I feel like that other angel must have came in when you're having your awakening, your calling to move in another direction, to do something different. And that feels so exciting, because I feel like that angel is encouraging you on but I think the next evolution I feel will be for you to step fully into your teacher role. And because I think that you are a teacher of many anyway, there's no doubt. There's no doubt. And I feel like that's what will be the next phase of you. It's like you're evolving into that, that full teacher role.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:00:56

That's interesting. I might like, if that is what's naturally happening. I want to follow that flow and back to the ego thing. I don't want to go into it as like, oh, now I'm going to be a spiritual teacher.

Speaker 1 1:01:09

Yeah, girl, I know I feel I find that really hard. People called me it for years, but I feel like now I feel comfortable saying I teach spirituality, you know. So I'm a spiritual teacher, you know, it feels but I, you know, but I don't want to replace anyone or be like a holy figure. I'm just a normal person, you know. Yeah, I always wear sneakers to remind people I'm from the streets.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:01:38

You're sure, so down to earth. But I think we're all spiritual teachers for each other, to be honest. Amen. Yeah, so Kyle, this has been awesome. Thank you so so much.

Kyle Gray 1:01:50

It's been an absolute pleasure.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:01:52

That's good to hear. And I have a few questions that I ask all my guests, and the first one is, what is self love to you?

Kyle Gray 1:02:01

Self love is giving myself time, just giving myself time, you know, and just taking it when I need it.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:02:09

wonderful. And what is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective,

Kyle Gray 1:02:16

still working that one out, I feel like the real meaning of life is to is to be love, and I'm still working on it,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:02:31

to be love. I love that. Where can people find you? You said something about your Instagram account that people can send in questions, like, how can they connect with you if they feel

Kyle Gray 1:02:44

I think Instagram is always the best one. And the last 10 years, I've done an angel message every Monday that you can get on my website, Angel message Monday, and it's something I put so much tender, loving care into which I've loved doing so I send out to 80,000 people every every week. And I love doing it. It's just such an important thing.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:03:07

Nice, yeah, thank you so much. Thank you. You're doing for humanity on the street, one to one.

Speaker 1 1:03:19

And you,, yes. And I'll love, I'd love to send this out in my Angel Message Monday email this interview that we shared together. So nice, exciting to share it all

Jannecke Øinæs 1:03:29

right. Take care.

Kyle Gray 1:03:30

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Cheers.