Anne Tucker, a trans channeler and healer, reveals that humanity is at a critical threshold, moving toward a state of being she calls “the new human.” This shift is powered not by external forces, but by our collective commitment to Internal Coherence, the process of achieving perfect balance within ourselves.

The Mother of Creation and the Earth Rift

Anne Tucker channels a powerful new being she calls the Mother of Creation, describing her as the divine feminine energy and the structure of our universe. The Mother’s energy is one of balanced harmony, and her message is urgent: the Earth is preparing for a “great Earth disturbance” or “Earth rift” (which Anne suggests could happen sometime in the next 12 months). This event is not arbitrary; it is the Earth “cracking open” to release repressed energy and make space for a massive, transformative flash of light that will upgrade humanity.

Anne emphasizes our role in this process: by holding intention and love, humanity can help soften the impact of this event. The chaotic energy and emotions that surface globally are the old energy being purged, preparing us for the new era.

Internal Coherence: The Key to the New Human

The core teaching for navigating this shift is achieving Internal Coherence—a state of perfect harmony inside. The current human struggle is likened to a flock of swallows constantly bumping into each other because they are incoherent. Coherence is achieved by:

  1. Embracing Individuality: Having the courage to express yourself authentically, without seeking external approval or trying to control others.
  2. Dropping the Old Forms: The Mother of Creation’s energy (water) shows us we must allow old structures (jobs, homes, relationships) to die away and sit in the void (the space between the ending and the new beginning) without immediately creating from old thought patterns.
  3. Healing Personal Wounds: Global issues are personal. The external pain that angers us the most is often touching a personal wound inside. By healing that wound, we withdraw energy from the global issue, allowing the world to balance itself.

The Path of Presence and Allowance

Anne Tucker stresses that the path to Internal Coherence is one of allowance, not resistance. Our protective mechanisms (like emotional armor or the desire to jump from job to job) only block out the light. True self-love is being willing to feel the difficult emotions and acknowledge them as true, loving ourselves through the experience without denial.

Ultimately, the future human is defined by being “separated from the whole because we are perfectly balanced inside of ourself,” which paradoxically allows us to remain within a unified field. This state of Internal Coherence is the gift that allows us to find joy, peace, and our soul’s true purpose.

Transcript of the interview

Anne Tucker 0:00

Sometime in the next 12 months, and then from that, the light will come in, and this will change the earth that we are able to start moving into the new human they've been saying that it is the way of cracking the earth open to let in the light, the potential for this a great Earth disturbance and Earth rift. And the reason, they tell us that is not to scare us. And if you look around, there's a lot of area where there are no people you know. So, so I think, through our prayer, through holding intention, we can help to guide, to soften the impact of a major Earth event. The crack needs to have happened before the flash of light. And we've been getting, as you know, waves of energy, waves of energy coming. But there will be one that the angels have said. This will be the moment we look back on and say everything changes. So we're close. We're really close,

Jannecke Øinæs 0:43

and will that then upgrade us? Yes. So this new being that has been surprisingly coming through you.

Anne Tucker 0:52

I call her the mother of creation. I would associate her with what we call divine feminine energy. She was the first beingness created by God. So she is the mother of creation for this universe, specifically, not for all universes. For then she says there are other beings like her in other universes. So, so she's the one for this universe.

Anne Tucker 1:12

And and she, yeah, I know, right. It's amazing.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:23

Anne Tucker, a warm welcome back to the Wisdom From North show.

Anne Tucker 1:28

Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be with you again. Congratulations on your recent marriage. I'm so happy for you.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:34

Thank you so much. Yeah, I'm still in on a pink cloud. I can really feel that my vibration is so high and I don't want to land. Feels lovely.

Anne Tucker 1:47

I love it.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:48

I'm excited to speak with you again, because I've interviewed you twice before. You're sort of the angel Angel lady, a trans Channeler of Angel beings, and now you just told me that another being, a huge being, has been coming through, and I'd love to hear more about that. And I also want to mention that you're one of our lovely masterclass teachers in Wisdom From North membership. So many of our members know you from there. So before we move into the most recent messages that have come through, your channeling from the angels. I'd love for you to share a little bit about how he came to channel in the first place.

Anne Tucker 2:25

Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it was. And I would say that also, I mean, I think it's encouraging for people like people often think that their life before they went on their spiritual path was like that was the time that I was lost and then I was found. And I would say, I would say, just as a point of encouragement, that everything is on purpose, and all of the steps that happen for me and with me and to me in the period before I woke up, all ended up being of service in the long run. Like it all, all roads lead to where you are today, you know? And yeah, I was, I went out, I started out my life on a very, very conventional path, because that's what we're shown. This is the possibility that's available to us. I did not have, like in my family. There was no, no support for any of this kind of stuff. My dad was interested in astrology, and so he talked about that a little bit, but, but my, you know, my family was split. I kind of had four different parents, four different religions, so no religion, really, and, and there was no internet, I really back then. So there was nowhere to get this information, to even to find out what this stuff was. And, and I know when I was little like I remember having conversations with my guides, but I didn't understand what it was. It just thought it was like me talking inside my own head. I just didn't get that hung up on the fact that the answers weren't coming from nowhere. You know what I mean, it didn't bother me as a kid. It just seemed natural and but then as I got older, that stopped, and as I got into circumstances, particularly like in my first marriage, where there was things I just did not want to see, and I just slowly shut down. Shut down my third eye, everything shutting down in my attempt to stay in my sleepy little, you know, reality I'd created for myself, which was along the lines of, yeah, very much a, you know, conventional life. And I had, I had my two kids, you know, I I started, I was at Microsoft, and then I took some time off to have my children, and then eventually I went back into the corporate world as an executive coach. And that is when things started really heating up where I started, like the awakening that the rug pulled out from underneath me with my divorce, which, you know, it takes something like that. It we do not like change, which is hilarious, because the angels always say we actually are the vibration of change, and we hate change and so and so we would like to just keep everything nice and the way we, you know, like the way we predict it, the way we understand it, you know, staying in lines like, you know, I was living a life that was very socially acceptable, you know, that a life that anybody would say, Ah, that's a good life. You know, she's married, she has kids, she has, you know, and then, and then I went into the coaching, oh, what a great job. And you're helping these important people and and, and then to turn down this path. Path was going against all of that. It was breaking free from all of these paradigms of what we think success is meant to be, to do something that was the antithesis of that, that was going to bring to me, a lot of censure and judgment and people, oh, you can never, you know, make a living doing that. You're giving up this great job, and you're going to go do something that's and, you know, oh, she's gone she's gone bonkers. You know, she's gone crazy. But the drive for me was like, I just, it just felt like it was, I could not not go down this path that the that I was having these psychic experiences, and I was so fascinated and intrigued, and that curiosity overpowered everything else. And so that's where I was lured down the path of like, wow, look at all this psychic phenomenon. And there was, and it was clear, there was, like, the the world is so much more. There's so much more to it. You know, there's so many layers to it that I didn't understand. And then eventually I discovered that the psychic like having all the spiritual gifts, like in the beginning that was my passion, like develop the channeling and develop the healing, and learn to do all these things and and then I finally realized that once we die, we're all going to be psychic, like we're going to be so psychic it will blow your mind and so, like it doesn't make sense to spend your whole life just trying to develop those gifts, unless it's a means to an end. The only thing that matters, eventually I came to the understanding it was the connection that mattered. It was the coming back into alignment with myself, my connection to spirit, my connection to my higher self, that what? It just took me a while to get there, you know, and it doesn't matter how you get there, but that was my path. Yeah,

Jannecke Øinæs 6:29

powerful. I just think it's really inspiring for others to hear as well. And there's so many different ways into this, and it seems like it is that strong calling, and it is frightful to go a path that has not been gone down before by maybe our friends and families and colleagues, and it amounts a lot of courage. But I do think the universe applauds courage in a way, yes, pushing us to like, Come on, be courageous. Yes,

Anne Tucker 7:01

I absolutely agree, like it's a big part of it, that so much of it is about being willing to be an individual and being willing to share yourself. And that's that is the message that I've been sitting with so strongly in the last year, is this idea that we being in perfect balance means having the courage to be willing to express yourself authentically, right, really, sitting in contemplation with your own soul, and being willing to understand yourself deeply, and then to live in that truth in a way that you you are not, not expecting anyone else to solve your problems, and you're not trying to solve anyone else's problems. That you're in your own vibration, and that, that is what we're trying to achieve. And then from that place, radiating the light that you achieve, right then sharing the light, but from the place of balance, yeah,

Jannecke Øinæs 7:48

and I think that that will be the new human that we will all start to follow our dreams, live out our passion, live our life mission, because then we're really connecting to our true essence. Now we're going to jump over to something else, the most recent messages from the angels. Before we do that, could you share a little bit about how many angels are you actually channeling, and what kind of angels?

Anne Tucker 8:15

Yeah, so when I first started making contact with the angels, I did ask the names I did, like, Who are you, and what should I call you, and stuff like that. And they and and they did originally give me the original angel that coming contact with me was Uriel. But then I asked for names, and they said, We would like to not, not have you think of us as individual angels, but as an essence, as an energy as an essence, and I understand that so much better now than I did then. And I it really is the idea of trying to understand what it is to be a unified consciousness, the idea that within it's like within every cell of the body, there is the information needed to create the entire body. Every cell has the DNA of the entire body within it, and the angelic essence is the same way that every, every little, whatever you call it, atom or molecule of angelic essence, or however, that is, it contains the essence of every single Angel inside it. And so, as we are, and so they can have their individual expressions, you know, you can see. And there are, in fact, incarnated angels, but they just incarnated into light bodies, and they're here, right? And that is an incarnation of one aspect of the angelic essence who's taken form. And so people will say, I see angels, you know, phenomenal when they do it. Yes, it's true. They are incarnated, but they're in light bodies, so most of us can't see them, but, but why is it like? How is it that Archangel Michael can be everywhere, that you can have a conversation with him and I can have a car at the same time? And it's because he is present in every little molecule. And so you can sort and he can even conjure himself. You can say, Okay, I want to, I want to see, you know, if you're one of those people that sees angels, you know, zoop, out of, out of the essence, he can appear and then disappear back into the essence. And so, so, yeah, so it's, it's that idea of identities there are. Different personalities that serve a purpose, that have different roles and that and that service in different ways. And we could access all parts of it. We're not limited to a relationship with one type of angel or an individual Angel. We can access the whole we can access all of it.

Jannecke Øinæs 10:17

Beautiful, yeah. And for now, I would love to hear more about the most recent messages that the angels have brought forward through your channeling.

Anne Tucker 10:28

Yeah, yeah, they have been talking, and you're, I think you're referring to just recently they mentioned that, that we are, that there's going to be within the next really, they called it the 12 month anniversary, that there would be the potential for this a great Earth disturbance and Earth rift. And the reason they tell us that is not to scare us. And as we know, you can have a massive Earth event like Tonga was a huge Earth event with very little destruction that came with it. Right? It depends on where it happens, and is it near an urban area like the Earth is a huge place. And if you look around, there's a lot of area where there are no people you know. So So I think, through our prayer, through our through holding intention, we can help to guide, to soften the impact of a major Earth event. But they said that we don't want to eliminate we want to allow it to happen, because it is the earth healing herself. And what they said was, this is a process of the of the Earth. This this major Earth event, which they've been talking about since 2020 with my channelings. And I know through other people too. I'm not the only one, but it started coming through me in 2020 and they called it the earth rift, and, and, and, but they said in these last few messages, they've been saying that it is the way of cracking the earth open to let in the light that we need to allow the energy that she just like when we heal. A lot of times, people have anger. Waves of anger come out, waves of tears and crying, and we got to let it out. Emotion is an actual vibration. It's an energy that's in the body that we need to free. We need to free it by experiencing it like we need to process it, and that is literally how we learn. Is we feel within that vibration, the learning that that takes place. We come to self acceptance. We accept our truth. We accept this happened, right? It happened to me. For me, all the things that I felt, these things, and they were true. And that is the integration. And the earth has to do that too, that everything she has felt has been true like we exist in a state of denial of our own realities of what has happened to us. Think about all the things you might look back in your own experience and say, well, there's certain things I wish I never said, or I wish I never did, or things I wish never happened to me, and I exist in a state of trying to suppress those and trying not to to feel those, or to let them be part of me, because it makes me feel bad about myself, right? And so I push them down. Push them down when, in fact, Freedom exists in the space of allowing and acknowledging that those things are true and that allowing us to live through them and to understand that we're loved anyways, that it doesn't change our innate ability to be loved, that it doesn't change the truth of our existence, it just informs us more about the person that we're becoming. And it's that state of of I think of it as like, like the slingshot that we pull ourselves down into the depth of deep, dark experience of the hardest things we've ever experienced when we pull ourselves back and that slingshot down into the depths we are we It's so heavy, it's so hard, that it's hollowing us out on the inside and making more and more space for the light to come in. So the the harder experience someone has accepted in this life that they plan for themselves, those people who have really signed up for incredibly hard things, they were super ambitious. We were talking about courageous, super courageous, ambitious souls that wanted to hold as much light as they possibly could, and so they went into the depth of the dark in order to create the capacity to hold even more light, and so, so, so this is the process we're going through. And so for the earth, she's holding a whole lot of energy that she needs to release, which is not letting go of its processing through her. It's understanding, it's accepting, it's loving herself, in spite of or because of that. These things happened as if you are the parent comforting your inner child. And then that process of release that crack, right? Let's and then after that right, the crack needs to have happened before the flash of light, which is another thing they've talked about. So this massive, and we've been getting, as you know, waves of energy, waves of energy coming. But there will be one that the angels have said. This will be the moment we look back on and say, everything changes. It's a big one. A big flash of light is coming. And so the earth needs to make space to let it in. So cracking herself open, this earth rift, major Earth event sometime in the next 12 months. And then from that, the light will come in, and this will change the Earth. This will be the moment that the Earth shifts our frequency enough that we are able to start moving into in a more permanent way, into our new way of being, into the new human while we're incarnated, which is pretty exciting, right? So we're close. We're really close.

Jannecke Øinæs 14:51

Wow, interesting. And we wouldn't know where this would happen.

Anne Tucker 14:56

Well, she originally, the angels originally said that it would be. They said Indian Ocean, like, around the Indian line, Indian Ocean. So I'm and I had specific dreams that indicated a fault line around Indonesia. So that was my, my thought was, it was somewhere around there, honestly, like, like we know from our own, like, when we have our own healing, an eruption is an eruption, right? It kind of doesn't matter what triggers you. It's just that you get triggered and it comes up and there will be plans. Will be planned moments on our own journey where triggers occur because all the energy is supporting you for healing. So that is what they said. But could that change? Yeah, because through, you know, like I said, we have the ability to impact our world through our positive thoughts and prayers for the earth, sending her love that not in a way to eliminate but to support her healing, so that it softens the healing. Think about, like, think about if you are going through a major emotional trigger or response where you're really, really angry, and it's just and it's triggering something in you that, like, it's, it's a deep wound, like maybe you're having an overreaction to something that's happening in your reality, where it's bothering you and you're like, I know this shouldn't be bothering me this much, but it is because it's it's connected to other wounds, right? This is just bringing it to the surface. But what happens like in one scenario where you bring that up and you have someone who immediately confronts you and tells you that your feelings are invalid and tells you that you're wrong to feel that you the way you do. Or scenario two is where you're met by someone who just holds you and allows you to have your release, and just is understanding and allows you to process, and allows you to rage, and allows you to have your tantrum, whatever you need to do, and just loves you through it. And how much softer, like you might come out with a bang, but it dissolves pretty quickly, as opposed to someone who confronts you when you're just it just feels builds right? It gets bigger and bigger. So we can be that parent to the earth. We can be that loving, receptive, understanding body of energy as humanity, and love her through it. And I think we can soften the effects. So I think that is our part of what we can embrace right now is, is allow her her moment. She needs her moment, but we can love her through it, and hope and hope through that process that we limit our casualties, limit the impacts to humanity, into life, yeah, on the planet,

Jannecke Øinæs 17:06

and a flash of light seems like or sounds like it is just a flash. So will it just be a flash? Or will it be something that's lingering like, I can't picture what the flashlight would be like?

Anne Tucker 17:23

Yeah, my understanding, when I've gotten visuals of it, and when they've talked about it and the angels have talked about it, is that it is, it is, it's more than it's more than one and done, that it comes and it's like, they've described it as rainbow starlight. And when I saw it in the vision they showed me, it was like little, you know, when you have like, there's certain like, devices where they'll create a spark of energy, where there's like, two poles, and they'll sound like a little bridge between them, and it's like, like, it's like, those funny globes. You can put your hand on it and it draws a spark to your hand, and you can move your hand around, and it moves. It'll be like that, like, they'll literally be, like, the air is popping. Is what it will be like. The air will be literally popping. There'll be so much energy and electrical charge, and I think crazy Aurora Borealis, but so much charge that the air will be popping and sizzling around us. So, yeah, crazy, crazy amounts of energy.

Jannecke Øinæs 18:09

And will that then upgrade us and all of us?

Anne Tucker 18:14

Yes. So, so they have said that the light is available and light is consciousness, like light is divinity. So light is, it's like it's, it is, and it really is. How much light can we take in? How much light are we ready to feel and and the and they said, the lights available to everyone. It does not matter where somebody is on their healing journey. It doesn't matter if you are the Bodhisattva. It does not matter if you are still asleep, right? It is, are you in that moment? Are you willing in that moment? Are you open? And the only thing that makes us not open, because we always have free will, is our desire to keep things as they are. Is our desire to hold on to things as they have been, as opposed to being receptive to change, we have to be willing to open up, to let go of how things have been. And that's really challenging, because humans, we get really attached, you know, we get really attached, whether it be to a home, to to, you know, a job, to whatever it is, we get really our identity gets locked into things, and we who am I, without this thing that I've thought of as part of my, you know, my historic home, my family's lived here all my life, you know, and then it burns down, and we're like, oh my gosh, I'm so lost. What if that creates an opportunity? Maybe that structure was limiting you in a way of moving forward. And so it's, it's the big part of the lesson that I've been given in the last and really, my whole life has been about this. It's been about the process of creating something and then letting it go, creating something and letting it go. And it's been practice over and over and over, creating something, let it go. And literally, I moved like, like, in my 20s, when I was working at Microsoft, and my boss had a budget for a, like, a morale thing, you know, like a morale event, like we could go, you know, out to dinner or whatever, but she chose to give us all astrology readings, which is, like, coolest boss ever. Right And and so mine, the woman said, Well, I hope you're not living in the house that you're in right now. And I was like, No, I was renting with a bunch of other girls. And she says, Good, because you're not going to stay there very long. In fact, you're going to move and move and move and move and move. And she could not have been more right, that I have literally moved just about every two years, for the last for my basically, since my 20s, my whole life, I've been moving and moving and moving and moving. And it would be, and many of those times I would be renovating a home, and then something would and in the beginning I was, I was building a house and rent or remodeling a house, and then I would move it. And did that kind of as a side business for years. And it was like, every two years was according to the tax laws, like the best window to where you could take your earnings and not pay taxes on it. But then after that, even when I would finally get to a house where I was like, I want to stay in this house, then something would happen, a divorce, or they would have to move for a job or something, where I would have two and a half years later moving. And this has been true all the way up until this past year, when my time was up. I'm in my current home, and I've been here two and I've been here two and a half years, and I'm like, Oh, I hope I don't have to move. And you won't believe what happened in the one year that I was supposed to move, I did not have to move, but every single member of my family and extended family moved, and I had to move all of them.

Jannecke Øinæs 21:17

Actually, I was going to ask you about this. Has you moved?

Anne Tucker 21:24

I did not. I didn't move. So I got to stay put. But my both, my my kids moved. My mom moved like my, my boyfriend's kids moved like everybody. Everybody moved. You know? It was insane. It was insane So, and I was involved in all those moves deeply, you know? So it was like it was a year of moves, but luckily, I didn't have to move. So I hope, I hope it's like, maybe, I hope I burned out the energy of lots of moves in that year, I get to stay put for a while without having to do that again.

Jannecke Øinæs 21:52

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Jannecke Øinæs 23:02

Let's move back to sort of letting the light in. How do we do that? I find that many writers and say that they're depressed, they're not inspired. They feel life is heavy, and they hear hear about all this change and the shift of consciousness, and they're not feeling it. They're feeling depleted, yeah, how would they what? What do the angels say about how we can let the light in? Yeah,

Anne Tucker 23:31

and it is, I would say that, that the pathway is through that to understand that when people are going through it, right, when they hear these other people going like, Wow, I'm so like light. And they're like, What is God like? How do I get some of that? You know, what are they taking? Because it is very, very possible. The more the light comes in right now, particularly for those who chose a more difficult path, that chose it because they knew how transformative it could be, how much brighter and shinier they would be as a soul, because at the end of the day, that is the only thing we take with us is the healing we've made. We clear, we clear our path to holding more light forever. And so they said they know the Earth is the most transformative planet. They've come they've signed up for more work for themselves, because they know this is their moment, and when they leave this planet, they will be a brighter, shinier soul than they've ever been. So what I would say is, in the moment they're feeling that heaviness, that pressure, because that is the weight of the of the of the karma they decided to take so that it would be transformative. But this is the moment they're feeling the weight because the pressure. They're coming close, they're coming close to their moment of release. And so so the idea is to not feel bad about that, to understand the journey they're on is one of an ambitious soul, and to honor it, to honor that, that that this is their moment, to feel the feels, and to love themselves through it, and to try their best to come to terms with what they're feeling, to love themselves through it, through their capacity to feel through their capacity to feel hurt, to feel wounded. To be with themselves and to know this is part of the journey that they chose because they wanted more light, and they're going to get it. They're going to get more light. You know, it's coming. So.

Jannecke Øinæs 25:10

And I wanted also to ask about addiction, because it seems like the human being is easily addicted to something, and we might think we're not, but then it might be work, it might be habits, or it might be substances, and it's something that affects, you know, your partner and your family, if it's heavy abuse, and I'm curious what the angels say about that, because that's not such an easy thing. One thing is to change your belief system and work with that, work with positive thinking. But addiction seems to be so connected to your body, deep traumas. It's not that easy when you first have that pattern, to change an addiction that is destructive.

Anne Tucker 26:00

Yeah, you're right. It's, it is an incredibly difficult path, and my heart goes out to people who are struggling with all forms of addiction, because it comes in. Addiction comes in through an original wound. There'll be some pathway in. And addiction is the language of of the dark, right? It's, it is that darkness speaking to you, trying to lure you, trying to pull you in, out of balance with yourself, to pull you towards behaviors that give away your sovereignty, right, that make you vulnerable and that that draw you into more and more hurt, because that's what feeds the dark. And it doesn't mean that a person who is an addiction is dark. It means that they're battling the dark that they're in. They're currently in a fight with the dark, and they're struggling, right? They're struggling. And so the pathway is to recognize that there was a doorway in and you can close that doorway is that you can find that original wound and you can heal it, and it just goes back to and there's, there's so many amazing healers on the planet right now, so many, and they've come because of this, right? I'm a healer. That's my private you know me as a channel. I am primarily a healer, and I offer a program called Soul convergence designed specifically for this is to help people work with the kind of trauma that's very, very hard for us to identify, to work with, the stuff that happens from the womb up to age seven, and that's the stuff that often opens the doorway into these kind of difficult, difficult experiences that we have that and we can't, it's hard for us to find them. You can't. In terms of talk therapy, how do you talk about something that you don't remember that happened in the womb? How do you get there? You know, but that's why, that's why healers are here. And I, yes, I am a healer. I'm not the only one. You know, the loads of wonderful healers that are ready right now, ready to serve. And so I would say, start there. Start on, on, trying to work your way back into that wholeness and addiction can't find a root if you do that like it will be if you can heal the way it got in, like it's, it's like, the one thing you can be sure of is change. Change is the one constant that is truth about humanity. And so every single day is a brand new day, which means that addiction is not something in your bones. It's not something in your blood, right? The wound is in your genes. The wound is in your genes. And in every single moment, we are being recreated. It's almost like we are being beamed into the body, and we're recreating ourselves in every single moment. And people feel like I'm about like, this is just my life path. This is something that's part of me. It's not it is only able to stay, stay there because the energy is in alignment with it, because there's currently a doorway open. So if the doorway is healed, that then, then in the next moment, addiction can't come in anymore. Wow.

Jannecke Øinæs 28:40

That is very inspiring and very helpful, so the addiction can be removed completely, like the urge. So it's not about using willpower not to take that substance. It's actually more about healing, and then you don't have the need and the urge to take in that substance or have that pattern anymore,

Anne Tucker 29:00

well, so that's an interesting conversation too, because humans have choice. We learn strategies for comfort. So there's layers to the healing. There's the initial healing of the wound, and then there's going to be all the healings of so for example, all of us know smokers that are able to get off then they're no longer chemically addicted to smoking, but then they go and hang out. They go to their old triggers. They go out to eat, and they're always used to having a cigarette after they eat, or they go out with a bunch of friends who are smoking and and it triggers a habit, or habitual response, or a desire to belong. So it's like a spiral we go through, and we have to work through layers of the spiral, so you might heal that original wound, and all of a sudden, okay, there's incredible freedom, a freedom that you never saw before. But Will there be a moment where you're put back into conditioning, that it comes up again and you feel the desire? Yeah, that can happen, because it's a spiral, and we have to work through these different layers of our psyche. I would call it our psyche. And so, so, yeah, so, so, conditioning is like one of the top of the top. Layers of the spiral.

Jannecke Øinæs 30:01

Yeah, true. That makes sense. And is that something we choose, you think beforehand, before we incarnate that I'm actually going to struggle with this addiction. That's something I want to learn from,

Anne Tucker 30:13

sometimes yes and sometimes no. So think about this, if you're born into a family who carries that pattern, you know coming into it, that you're being born into that pattern, and it's a choice, and it is a process of of like the angels told me once, which is so beautiful, that they said that all paths lead back to the light, that even the dark is a path back to the light. It just takes longer. And so understanding that, like it really brings you to compassion, to the compassionate understanding of whatever path someone chose, even if they chose a path that was going to lead them through the depth of the dark, it's a pathway back to the light. And so it's that idea that it creates more capacity, right? So there are people, yes, that chose to incarnate into families where there was a, you know, that there was going to be extremely likely that they would go down a path of addiction. And then there are other people that go down a pathway, and they we're not like I always think of our lives as like we are, you know, we're bowling, and we've got the gutters up, you know, and we're we can make all this choice within the bowling lane, but there's gutters on the side. They're going to try to keep us on path, on path, on path. But at the end of the day, if you're the one throwing the ball, you can throw it in the next lane. If you want to right. You get to choose like you, if you if you want to go, if you're if it's right in front of you, and they're like, this is the path. This is the path. And you're like, Yeah, you know what? Forget it. I'm not doing that. We can be stubborn, you know, humans, we've got personality, and we have a will like our will is strong, and we can, we just, we can go totally off path. And people do sometimes they go on a major left turn. It doesn't mean they can't come back again,

Jannecke Øinæs 31:40

true. And I mentioned depression, I want to ask a little bit more about it. What is the root cause of depression? Are we suppressing something, pressing something down, maybe our light, our essence, or can it be all sorts of different reasons why we're depressed, because Depression, depression is interesting. Like you don't feel an urge, a passion for living, and we have this one life, and you don't want to live, but you don't want to opt out of it either. So it's this gray area, and I'm curious, because I've been there myself, and I get many messages from people who are depressed and they're not finding their way out, and they don't know know why they're depressed. So you could go a bit more into that.

Anne Tucker 32:32

Yeah, absolutely. And there are, I mean, there's layers to it. There's lots of different things that can lead to depression, and we can talk about some of the ones that people might be struggling with, that, that it is possible like so one of the things that angels, and actually the that have said recently, is this idea that we each are holding the light, that each of us are the light, but that we can only create the light when we connect with another person, that that when two people come together, it's just like an electric circuit, that there's power in a Battery, but the bat, the power doesn't come out unless it's connected to something else. It has to be connected. When we connect, we create light, and the light inside of us, right? It's still, we're still, we're always the light. We never. Even when someone is depressed, is depressed can be they are still the light. They're just having a really hard time getting their light out, and they're having a hard time connect. And people who are depressed can tell you that, they can say that they can say that they have a really hard time when they're depressed, they do not feel connected, right? They feel disconnected. And that connection is what creates the light and lights you up. That's why sometimes the opposite of depression, like, if you are in a if you go to a big like I was at, you know, like, I love doing retreats. I have a retreat coming up, and one of the things I love about them is you get a community together, and the light is pulling the light out of everyone, and we're forming form, you know, creating more and more light. Everyone ends up high as a high as a kite, you know, just naturally and but in depression, in those moments, it's really hard to bring your light out. And so part of that, like the highest frequency anybody can emit, is the frequency of authenticity, is the moment when we are allowing ourselves to really be in our truth. And that means really, it means saying when you're upset, saying when you're like, you can be in your truth and feel sad, and that is absolutely true. You can be in your truth and feel joyful. It's just not repressing or changing your expression of who you are. And so sometimes when people get depressed, it's because they've lost contact with that is that they're no that is that they're no longer in a space where they maybe they are having a hard time finding that truth again, you know, they don't remember what it is, and so they can start finding their way back to it by just exploring their sadness and admitting their sadness and allowing it to be true, allowing it to be true how sad they are. And that is one way authenticity is a very, very high frequency. But there are other pathways that can lead to that same feeling of disconnection. There's, there's a lot of different pathways to it. And sometimes, you know, there's people who go through the dark night of the soul, and that's a very common thing for a spiritual person. You know that they will be on the path and feeling great, and then something happens. And they take this turn, and they just feel like they're lost in a cave. And it is like it is, I mean, there it is hard, right? It is hard. And that can happen like through that. It is that idea that you have to go through it because you're creating the capacity for the light, and that, why is, why do we have the dark night of the soul? It is that creating the capacity. It's pulling that back into the depth. We have to move through it. We have to feel it right and so. So there are some people who come to the earth who have they get here, and their reception at birth was not like think about before we arrive. We're used to being held in absolute love, and we come down here and we are not and we have to face that. We have to face the idea that this place is not as welcoming as we thought, or as easy as we thought it was going to be. We always when we're on the other side, we think we're all powerful because we are, and it's really hard to imagine how hard it's going to be. And some people come and they just decide, nah, I don't want to be here. And they pull out of the body, and they are living their experience like with one toe in the body, and they're mostly out of the body. And so there, yeah, I was one. So I know what it's like is that where you cannot connect to your heart, you don't even know what your feelings are, where you cannot identify your feelings, where people will say, Oh, wow, they're amazing in a crisis, you know, they're always so calm, cool and collected, yes, because you're not feeling anything, you know, because you can't connect to your heart, because you're it was so traumatic that you just you just jump right back out again. So you're barely in the body, and you can't create the light when you're not in the body, right? You can't create connection. You can't feel love. So because you're not in the body, and so there's, there's a they'll see a lot of people, people who have this will frequently have dreams about about it, showing the difficulty of like, the desire not to be on the planet, not wanting to be here, not wanting to play the game, sitting on the sidelines, at a at a baseball game, that'll be a dream sitting on the sidelines, or dreams about needing, wanting to go to Disneyland, like, Oh, we're at Disneyland again. It's like, it's like that idea that you want to get in the game, get in the game. You know, enjoy life, go to the happiest place. You know, is that idea. But there'll be this desire not to be here that came in at a very, very young age. And so that is, and that is something that it takes a while to heal that, and just to know to be patient, if that's one, if you're one of those people, to be patient with that feeling of not really wanting to be embodied, and coming to terms with the experience and being willing, being allowing that it can be beautiful. It doesn't have to be that hard. It is the process of of so I had an experience myself that helped me to better understand how to navigate feelings like that, which is, is my last relationship was really the my piece of that. That's the way that it was of service to me was and the soul contract for me was to help me heal some residual trust issues from from from past relationships that were really, really difficult. And it was a process of needing to find the areas where I was in resistance, to try to really come to terms with any way, any place I was pushing a relationship away because it felt safe, right, because I was trying to protect my heart, and I was trying to create space in the relationship really is like a way of putting up armor. And I remember it coming through and channeling and it coming through in my dreams, and it was like, like, you need to you and showing me that last little bit. And in the dream, I knew it, because in the I had a dream where my ex husband was being super nice to me, and we're like, in our old minivan we used to have and we were married, and he's being really, really kind and really, nice. And in my mind, I'm thinking, don't trust it, because it's not real. Don't trust him being nice. It's not real. So I wake up realizing that's my subconscious track as I'm in this new relationship with this person who is treating me very well, and I have this backtrack up, okay, don't trust it. Don't trust it. Don't trust it. And I just wasn't conscious of it. The Dream showed it to me. And so I wake up, and I know very well what this means, and I know that I'm supposed to change my behavior and find the ways I'm in resistance and just stop thinking those negative thoughts. And I don't want to do it, you know? I'm like, That sounds terrible. Like I feel like this wall I've put up protects me, and always, every other wound I've had to heal. I'm like, Yeah, let's do it. Let's heal. I want to do this. Like, I would jump right in, and I would work on myself, and I'd move through it, not this one, like I did not. And this will be the same way for people who are in the space where they do not want to be on Earth is they will be like, Nah, it does not sound good. I know if I go down there, bad things are going to happen to me, and I don't want to feel it, so I'm going to stay up here where I don't feel anything, but you can only create the light if you're in the body. So they're depressed so, and that was me. I was behind a wall, thinking the wall was protecting me, not realizing all the wall ever does is block out the light. That's it. The wall never protects you. It always blocks out the light. Same thing for the people who are trying to they don't want to be in their body. They think they're protecting themselves. In fact, all they are doing is blocking out the light. They're just recreating that wound again and again, our coping our coping mechanism, whatever it is, all it does is block out the light, and we just have to come to terms with it. And so I had to kind of grit my teeth and say, like, Okay, I do not want to do this. I don't feel safe, but I'm going to do it anyways. And I had to step out from behind the wall, and I had to say, Okay, I'm just going to be totally vulnerable. I'm going to allow the things that drive me. Crazy. I'm not going to focus on those. I'm a focus on the things that are good, and I'm going to let myself be vulnerable. And it was right the minute I did that, all the tension was gone and the light came in. And so, so it's it is a thing where it's always us. We are always the ones in our own way. But these are just a few of the examples of what causes depression and the understanding like just to be, to not judge ourselves because of depression, to understand that it's part of the journey and that we just have to work with that wound. It is a process of learning to work with it and coming through it. And it is, it is possible to heal. It's possible to heal.

Jannecke Øinæs 40:34

Beautiful, sharing. Thank you for going there.

Anne Tucker 40:38

Yeah, absolutely.

Jannecke Øinæs 40:40

I want to ask about this new being that has been surprisingly coming through you that I didn't know about at all, and it's a huge energy with a lot of knowledge and wisdom coming through that you're just trying now to wrap your head around. So I'm so excited to hear about this being and the message it has.

Anne Tucker 41:04

Thank you so much. So I call her the mother of creation, and she doesn't really use a name for herself. She calls herself that she's had 10,000 names, like basically every and I would associate her with divine feminine energy, what we call divine feminine energy. But she is, in fact, a feel of a field of energy that she and she is creative life force, and she moves through all of us and so and so. Yeah, she is a huge, huge energy. And I knew she was coming, something was coming in. I knew for a good year and a half, maybe even two years before I finally let her come through, because I was really I was in my subconscious, and even my conscious self was very afraid to channel her. So I had dream after dream after dream where she's trying to make contact with me, showing me my fear, showing me that I remember one I'm on a raft in the middle of an ocean and and I'm with a bunch of people, and I see her coming. I know there's an energy coming for me, and I'm afraid, and I tell everybody else, save yourselves, run away. She's and so she finally comes, and she just settles gently down next to me and rests there. And that's the whole dream. And it's just showing me my fear and that look, it's not going to hurt you, it's coming in, it's going to be fine. But it took me a really long time to get to the space where I could open fully to allow her to speak through me and and so I do. She comes through trans channeling. And I had some, had some incredible, incredible sessions with her. And it has shaken a lot of my understandings about things so like things, about my way, my way of understanding how things work, and how we work. And, yeah, it's been groundbreaking, groundbreaking for me. And, yeah, super exciting. Super, super exciting.

Jannecke Øinæs 42:48

Could you give some examples of sites you received?

Anne Tucker 42:52

Yeah, so I used to think that. So I understood that, like, like, we talk a lot about the Yuga cycle, that we are in, this idea that we've moved they're going through this 24,000 year cycle, and we are moving into a place of of sort of the the deepest wounding, which would be, and most people would say we are in an overexpression of our masculine energy, right that and that we're going to move back into our feminine. So in my mind, what that looked like is that, is that the Yuga cycle would be, that we would be into an overexpression of our masculine, and then we would come up into a balance, you know, a balanced state. And then we would move into an overexpression of our feminine. That's what made sense to me, in my mind, that we would go over, you know, we that we would kind of go in this, in this, this wheel of like, moving out of balance, back into balance, out of balance, back into balance. Now I understand from her that she is balanced. And I never understood that before that, that feminine energy is the energy of balance, that I used to think that masculine energy was, was structure, but now I understand that's that's not it, that masculine energy is support, that it lifts up the feminine. And I always knew that, that it lifts up the feminine, but I thought it would provide the structure underneath her. The feminine energy provides the structure. The masculine energy provides a support under that structure. So she is balance, rhythm, harmony, pattern. So she says that she was the first beingness created by God. So she's created by God, but she was the first beingness that he created. I say he because that's just how I think of it. Please use your own term for God or gender. Is how you gender or not gender God. God is an ED being this, but she was created by God and and she says that she was the first one he created, and that that then he be, and then he taught her basically the structure of this universe. So she is the mother of creation for this universe, specifically not for all universes for and she says there are other beings like her in other universes. So so she's the one for this universe, and and she Yeah, I know, right. It's amazing. It's amazing. And so she says that God instructed her on the concepts or the principles of this universe. And then she creates according to the. Structures. So this would be what we consider sacred geometry. This would be the frequencies of love, compassion and forgiveness. So, so this is the sort of the ruling concepts of our universe. And she then creates structure. So if you took those as patterns and put them into form, they might look like sacred geometry. And so she creates. Everything she creates flows through that rhyme and that pattern and in those structures. So she's left to create on her own. She creates nature within these the spirals of the seashell that replicate the spiral of the universe that everything that flows through her, that she generates is according to these instructions, these reasons, or rationale, as she would call it, that was created by God, that that we are all including her, that we are all living within. And so, so, yeah, so she originally was not creative. She was born as an essence, as a beingness. And then God, I said, we would say, connected her with a son, with the divine Central Sun, and which is the expression of divine masculine energy. And they merged. But in that merging, she discovered, and this was fascinating, because she showed it to me, I'm very clairvoyant, and so she let me see her experience of becoming the mother of creation, whereas before, she was just a beingness, right? She was kind of this. And she, she, she anyway, so she was, she was ethereal, is how she called herself, before she was ethereal. And then she was given this creative power because she merged with this divine Central Sun and that, but she found, and I could see through her experience, they could never fully connect, that there was, there was 5% where they could never fully merge. And that created dynamic tension between them, which is a necessary component of creation, that if there's no tension, there's no change, and without change, there's nothing, nothing, nothing to create. There has to be opposition, there has to be magnetism and polarity. And so the Union by by God, splitting himself into these two identities or or polarities of her, which was the divine feminine, and then the god, the divine central son, he created a division, a separation of himself that allowed creation to happen. And so the divine Central Sun is what feeds the universe. The Divine Central Sun is sort of the caretaker, the protector that is focused on, on reproduction of himself. So he's constantly emanating energy, energy fueling the universe. He's the support, the support, right? That lifts everybody up. So we are fed by the Divine central sun. But that, that, without all that energy, what do we do with it? Where? How do we form? Put it into form. We use the divine feminine. We use the energy of the mother of creation, because we then take that and we put it into structure, form and pattern, and we create our own reality. Through it, we create. And so each of us has our own pattern, right? We have a pattern of our wounding and our karma, and then we also create according to divine principles. So, so it's amazing. It's been absolutely amazing. And yes, it's been, I can't even describe everything. It's going to have to be a book, because it's so much,

Jannecke Øinæs 48:10

wow, fascinating, and especially fascinating when you're saying, like in this universe, but not in other universes. And I mean, I'm looking forward to all the episode where we're going to speak about universe B. Universe

Anne Tucker 48:23

Right? Exactly.

Jannecke Øinæs 48:27

We've traveled. We've probably been traveling there as well, I think, in our parallel selves. Yes. Now, what is her message? I mean, she's coming through you now, yes, as a crucial point, yeah. Yeah. What is her message to humanity? It has to be something that she

Anne Tucker 48:45

Oh, that is the perfect question, the perfect question Jannecke, because her she is helping us to better understand what the new state of consciousness is, is that she's helping us understand that we are now going through in the exact experience she went through as she became a divine that basically started to have this divine creative power move through her, which is we are moving from what we call 3d to 5d. Is the movement from an imbalanced state where we are experiencing the struggle between power control and giving away our power be. You know, where we are, where we are trying to control another, or letting ourselves be controlled, where we are out of balance. And we're moving from that state which she experienced, into the state of being, of being divinely balanced, which she describes. And this is what she calls it, the unit unity field. And this is what the new human. We talk about the new human. This is what we're also 5d this is the new consciousness, and it is the way she shows it to me. Is like the metaphor that I love is that of swallows, that when you look at a school of minnows or a flock of and they call it something else, when they swarm together like this. But a flock of sparrows, they are swallows. I mean, they flow together like one being right? They're moving, and they're like these incredible undulating cloud of birds that they're flying in the sky. And she says, the only way that that is possible is if you are, if you are united inside of your own self, that we have to achieve internal coherence, and this is what's going to help us graduate from what we call 3d to 5d. Is, in turn, we have to become internally coherent, where we are no longer trying to reach into another's field, either to control them or to find our answers, right, and we're no longer allowing them to lean into our field, where we're no longer allowing someone else to dictate what we want or what we think or anything, where we become, where, where that? She calls it the careful contemplation of our own light, where we have a deep sense of self understanding and we honor ourselves in all moments. And when we achieve this perfect harmony, which is what she is, she is balanced harmony. This is her energy. We become attuned in alignment with her. And so then when that happens, we achieve perfect balance around us, and we can achieve unity. It's basically we achieve separation inside of Unity. We are separated from the whole because we are perfectly balanced inside of ourself, and that allows us to stay within a unified field if we are not separated from the others because of the fact that we've achieved perfect wholeness, perfect coherence inside of us. Instead, imagine being in a flock of swallows, a swarm of swallows, whatever you want to call them, and one of them is constantly bumping into the next one and bumping into this one, and it would be a mess. They'd be all over the place. They'd be hurting each other and falling out of the sky. That's what we are in right now. That's our current reality. And we are trying working, working, working, to try to move ourselves into and we talk about this in so many different ways. Everybody talks about, how do we heal? How do we come into coherence, this idea of coming back into balance, where we honor ourselves and we come into harmony with who we are, that then allows us to to stay and be, be the light of presence. And so this is not all or nothing, that there will be those with the flash of light when that comes that will immediately move into this new state of consciousness. And it may be onesie 2z 4z 10 Z, 100 Z, who knows? You know, we'll come over, and then gradually, more and more and more will come and join this unity field, and we will co create the new reality together from that unified space, which is separation inside of Unity. And this is her message. So this is what she's trying to teach us, trying to show us how to do it, what it is, who she is, how we work with her energy field. And yeah, and so there's, there's so much to it, but that, in a nutshell, I would say, is why? Why now is because now is the time we have the potential to do this, to move through our process of separation into a unified state of being with one another.

Jannecke Øinæs 52:57

And this is something you've said that that is emerging from within.

Anne Tucker 53:02

Yeah, yeah. And so that is her energy. Her energy is emerging from inside of us. It's been repressed. It's been severely repressed. So we don't even allow it. We there's so many things now that I understand who she is and how she is. There's so many things about her that we don't allow, like, for example, the way. So her energy is the energy of infinite potential in and we only get to that energy of infinite potential if we allow old things to die away and we sit in the stillness and in the stillness we we are now wholly present with who we are today, and we're no longer creating from old thought forms or old ways of being we are in the stillness of the present moment, and so from that place, we tap into the creative field of her energy and and something totally unseen before can be generated from who we are in that moment. But what we do, we never do that. What we do is we say, Oh, I don't like my job anymore. I'm going to get a new job, but I'm going to, I'm not going to leave this job until I get the new job, right? I'm going to jump from my old state of being, and I'm going to try to create a new one. But if we're creating from our old state of being, we're creating from old thought forms. We're creating from our past, we're just recreating the same problem over again. We never allow ourselves to get to the place of stillness where we let old forms die away and sit in the void. We have to sit in the void. So think about this, that that in the the Mayan calendar, that, and in the Pleiadian calendar, there is that space of the Void is number 13, that it is the space of where, where it's the space between the ending and the new beginning. There's this empty space that has to be held, and in the West, at least, we we call the number 13 the unlucky number. We won't even allow like like on elevators. There's no floor 13. We literally don't have the elevator. It has no 13 button. We have eliminated it from our consciousness. We said, Nope, no 13. Nobody ever gets to pause. No one gets to rest, right? You got to jump. From where you are today. You can't leave the relationship until you know where you're going. You can't leave the job till you know where you're going. We're always creating from old thought form. And she says, she says, this is the journey. Is learning how to, how to rest, how to and so it's a lot of it is just, is taking some of our old what we thought of as wisdom, and re understanding how to actually work with our own energy, that this energy has always been present to us, but it will never force itself on us. That's not who she is. She says her path is, is never persuasion. It's always presence. It's presence in any space we do not allow her. She says a great metaphor to understand her is water, that water is never water, never pushes, never forces. Water just is. It always is what it is. And if water is excluded, it will get you like, if you try to hold water or contain water, it will find a crack and it will go somewhere else. It does not like to be contained. Water doesn't like to be water wants to move, you know, and water wants to be in motion. It wants to change all the time. And she is that. And so here we are trying to lock things down and constrain them and hold them. And she's just like, I'll just go somewhere else. And she takes her creative power and she leaves.

Jannecke Øinæs 56:06

Yeah, fascinating, Wow, interesting times we find ourselves in. Now, Anne, what is the deepest spiritual insight you've received from either this mother, divine mother being, or the angels?

Anne Tucker 56:24

Oh my gosh, the deepest one. I mean, I think, like, just under like, in terms of understanding her and understanding the way that she moves through us, and how we're meant to move this idea of allowing that coming that we are taught in all of our ways of like, learning how to be successful in this world, we're taught that we need to project and to control and to anticipate and to plan and that that even in like, think about in our world, that there are there are things, there are hardships and suffering in our world, that we are taught that if we don't fight, how are we ever going To change the world? That we have to fight evil. We have to fight the terrible things that are happening and learning now, as I am coming to coming to terms with how to actually work with our own energy, which is her energy. We are. We are half made up of her. We're half divine, masculine, half divine feminine, but her half is the part that we make reality with. Right the divine masculine provides us the energy to do it. It holds this that supports us, but her energy is the one that we're creating with. And so, so it is this understanding that we think that we have to react against our world, and that we have to define and hold our boundaries in a way that that that calls other things into compliance with what we think is right or what we think is best. And now I understand that all that does is perpetuate wounding. All that does is perpetuate more of what it is that we're against, because it feeds our energy into this the polar into the polarity. If there's some bad thing out there in the world, I'm not saying that it needs to stay. I'm saying that when we fight it, we are pulling against it, which puts energy into the system, which perpetuates it, it makes more of it. We are incredibly creative beings, and more wherever you put your focus, that what you're that's what you're creating. So how do we deal with a world that has some incredible, hard things going on in it. How do we deal with it? It is coming to terms with the truth of it, with that it exists the same way we heal ourselves. We heal ourselves by acknowledging the terrible things that happened in our world, by acknowledging that we were that hurt, and coming to terms and we allow ourselves to exist anyways. So it is understanding that there are these terrible things that are happening in the world, and acknowledging the truth of it right and allowing it that it is in presence right now it is existing. Doesn't mean we like it. Doesn't mean we're going to perpetuate it by choice, but we have to come to terms with it. We have to be in a state of allowing, and then from that state of allowing, the world balances itself, that those things can no longer exist when we come into balance, into harmony, they they literally, there'll be no no no food. There'll be nothing to feed them. And this is not to say that if you were standing next to someone and that person is being attacked in some way, that you shouldn't intervene, because you should, right? It doesn't mean that we're not meant to be actors in our life, because we are. But what are you acting from, right? Are you acting from like, often when we're responding to our world and we're saying, Okay, I see, what is the issue, if somebody feels into their own field, what is the issue that triggers you personally? Because it's not going to be all of them like, it's not, you're not going to feel the same about child pornography and the war in Gaza or the war in Ukraine, or the or or the or the repression of free speech, or abortion, or, like all of these issues that right now are incredibly polarizing, and each person who's listening is not is going to pick, oh, that's the one that gets me like, that's the one that hurts. So, so why? Why? Is that, you know, why is it that we each have our own flavor of thing that we're focused on? It's because it's really not what's about going out there. It's about what's going on in here, that that wound is touching your wound. That issue is touching something personal. It is a personal story, and it's living that by engaging in that system. In fact, it is creating more of it. So the place to solve it is to go into why does that hurt? Why does it hurt that there are children suffering like, what about that hurts like? And is it? Is it your? Is it that your issue? Is it an issue where you can look at it and say, that is so sad, it makes me want to cry. That's a normal human response. But does it make you angry? Right? Do you want to fight it? Do you want to not allow it to exist? If that's the case, it's in here that is a wound that is personal, and so we have to heal our personal wound. When we heal the personal wound, we take steam out of that issue in the world, we gradually create less and less energy for it to exist. So this has been, yeah, a major, major insight about just it's one of the deepest things about we just don't understand. How to work with our own energy.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:01:07

So much wisdom here. And I can also really feel you as a healer coming forward here. And I really appreciate that, because I think sometimes we can lose ourselves in speaking about the shift and everything that's going to happen. But how do we do it? We need to do the inner work. And how do we do that? We heal. Yes, we feel the feelings like you said. We identify the wound, and basically it all boils, boils down, perhaps then to self love. Would you agree?

Anne Tucker 1:01:41

Yeah, and I absolutely agree. And I think a lot of people will say, what is self love? Like, yes, self love, but people will say, what does that mean? Like, does that mean I need to get manicures? You know what I mean? Does that mean? That's what the beauty industry will tell you. Self love is getting a massage. No, it's not like, that's nice, that's a good thing, but self love is allowing you to have your experiences. It's not denying any aspect of what you've done, been said, experienced or has been or been through it. Is not denying any part of you. So think of all of those different experiences of your life and even of previous lives. Think of each of them as sort of a part of you that's been frozen in time, and we have to go back to each of those and allow them their experience because we've denied them because they're so unpleasant or they're so hard that we don't want to feel them. So we have to go back and be the parent that you wish you had sitting next to you in that moment, the angel that you wish was with you, that probably was, but we couldn't feel or see that, and be that angel or that parent for yourself and and imagine your bad self back in that moment, and just draw that part of yourself back to your heart and love yourself through it. That is, in a nutshell, the process of healing. It is the hard thing is identifying, finding the wounds, finding it's really that's why I say some of them come from birth, come from the womb. Most of my wounding came from the birth, from the womb and early birth. So it was I had to really go through a lot of subconscious work to find it Yeah, and to heal it and to heal it.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:03:07

And that is one of my last questions to all my guests. So how do you practice self love?

Anne Tucker 1:03:13

Oh, thank you for saying that. I practice self love by really trying to honor my own feelings to honor myself. So like, for example, have you ever had an argument with someone, where someone was did something that was really not kind, that did not honor you? If that's ever happened to you, and then you come away, maybe, if you break off the friendship, or you, or you set a boundary, and then here's where it goes crazy, where you then feel guilty for setting that boundary right? Do you know what I'm talking about? Is that ever happened to you? Yeah. So this is so common. So this is where, this is where we get so out of balance that we are not honoring ourselves, that we are honoring the other person's experience more than our own. That that, and this is so this is for me, it has been and that has been a huge journey of mine. Has been learning to honor and to it, to not allow my compassion for another person to overshadow my compassion for myself, to understand that I need I'm the only one right. I am the one that has to advocate for me, and only by doing that am I actually being truthful, right? And I'm being in balance. I have to balance and be in harmony with myself, and from that space, I can share my light, but when I allow another person's needs, wants, desires, to overshadow my truth, I'm out of balance, and I'm I'm off kilter, and I'm no longer really in my authenticity. I'm no longer in self love. So it can be, it can feel like we think we're being so nice. Sometimes we think that we're the ones that should take on the grief or take on the problems. We become the strong person in the family, because we know, and that's the truth about a lot of people who are going to be listening to you, janika, is that they are old souls, like they know they have more capacity than other people do, and so they come in and they think, I will be the mediator, the true. Keeper in my family. I will be the one that helps everyone get along. I will be the one that you know that takes on this hard news or whatever it is. And in reality, what's happening is we are putting ourselves out of balance because we are not honoring ourselves that we need to to to say when we're we need to be willing to create disharmony in order to be honoring ourselves, we need to be willing to upset someone. That's the only way that we can write the apple cart right? That's the only way that we can get things back on track is by being honest with what's actually happening inside of us. And it's scary, because we're afraid that if we are that honest, that we'll lose relationships, that we will lose our family that will lose, you know, but that is self abandonment. We're abandoning ourselves over and over and over again, and that that is not the path. We've been told that that's good. We've been told, Oh, I was told as a little girl, you are such a diplomat. Ah, here I was, you know, 10 years old, trying to be the diplomat, when, in reality, I was self abandoning, you know, I was just helping everybody to get along, get along, get along, and not listening to like, what is it that I need? Like, is this fair to me, right? Is, do I always have to be good? Do I always have to be happy? Or, can I be unhappy? Can I say this wasn't very, very, you know, kind to me, or this didn't really consider my needs and being willing to have that conversation? So that is, I think that is the the thing,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:06:24

wow, this has been so inspiring, and you're such a beautiful communicator. And here comes the biggest question of all, what is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective? Oh, God.

Anne Tucker 1:06:35

I mean, all of life is, is the pathway back to ourselves. It's always a pathway back to our own truth, to ourselves, to and to love, to loving what is what's inside of us like that is that this the whole point, and it's so joyful, like the further we get along, like my it's I find like this would not have been true about me before, but now it's so it's so wonderful for me to connect to the joy of being, and to feel that joy of being, and I did not feel that in at most of the like most of my life, right? This is coming online where I feel the joy of being and so like the purpose, what is the meaning of life? Like it is, it is right? We can create heaven on earth. It's an internal experience. Heaven is that feeling of being at peace with what is and knowing that we create the light through connection, that we can generate all the light, what we think of as being heaven, we connect. We by being in our bodies, being in our own coherence, connecting with others, we generate the light, and then we create heaven all around us. And that's that's the meaning of life, right? That is where we find our truth, where we understand who we really are as an aspect of the Divine like that's the whole reason we incarnated that's the whole reason we became a soul in the first place. Was because each of us was gifted with the beauty of our soul song, gifted through from God, through the mother of creation. She gifted us, sang us into presence, and then it is our experience of constantly understanding our song, singing it in different octaves, singing it with different with different instruments, singing it in different ways, and saying, What does my song sound like if I do it this way? And then I become again and again and again and recreate myself in a million different ways, until we expand ourselves so far out that we are completely like there's a billion of us, right? And we get to the very edge of being so fractaled that we are incoherent. We then we then exhale, and all that energy, light, information, knowledge, comes back to the center, and we reintegrate as one being. And that's the ultimate unity where we become God. So but that's in a long time from now.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:08:37

Beautiful, so poetic. I love how you communicate?

Jannecke Øinæs 1:08:41

God. Now I assume lots of people want to connect with you and learn more and work with you, perhaps. How can they do so, yeah,

Anne Tucker 1:08:51

I would love that people can always find me on YouTube, which is everything's under my name, Anne Tucker. It's Anne with an e, A N, N, E and Tucker. So on YouTube, I'm Anne Tucker. My website is Anne Tucker, I am predominantly a healer. I do share messages every Friday that are channeled, which are helping to guide us through this shift in consciousness. So that's always available to everyone. And there are on my website, there is a beautiful, free healing that people can experience if they'd like to experience it. I offer soul convergence, which is my deep healing program, which doesn't start again until January. But there's a lot of different ways I mostly do healing, and then I do retreats, in person, retreats, and that's the primary way I love to to be out in the world. That's what feeds my soul.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:09:35

Beautiful. Thank you so much for coming back to the show and for your beautiful message today, and for your wonderful work.

Anne Tucker 1:09:42

Thank you so much. Thank you so much. I appreciate it's been wonderful to spend time with you.

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