Stepping into fourth density consciousness! With Aaron Abke

Aaron Abke 0:00

When you understand that the ego is an activity, not an entity, to me, it changes the whole game. There is no such ego one can be friends with, or one can be enemies with. If you think about the difference between a second density life form and a third density, you and your dog, think about the difference in consciousness, right? Pretty drastic. Well, there is even bigger of a difference between a third density being and a fourth density being. They can speak with their minds telepathically. They can read your thoughts like they're reading the newspaper. They can levitate objects with their mind. They can translocate. They can create craft that travel across the universe and galaxies. They can do all kinds of stuff that is God like to us. And then on top of that, just their spiritual awareness is on such a higher level, they're able to see parts of the light spectrum that we're totally oblivious to. They could probably look at you and see your entire energy signature of your aura, and know exactly how spiritually advanced you are. So now they're back. They're still here. They haven't left.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:02

Aaron Abke, a warm welcome back to the show.

Aaron Abke 1:07

Thank you so much for having me back. Glad to be with you.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:10

I'm really excited to have you back. I interviewed you way back when, and it was a big honor then, and it is a big honor now, because your teaching and the way you make difficult spiritual teachings more understandable has just helped me so much. And you are very recognized within the teachings over course, in miracles and the Law of One material, we are so honored also to have you as one of our own masterclass teachers in my own membership, one of our most popular master classes, where you're teaching our members about spiritual balancing, and maybe we'll talk about that today. You are known as a paradigm shifting spiritual teacher, and you came out with a book quite recently, the three beliefs of ego. And I actually wanted to start with speaking about the ego, because you have been an ex preacher. You are a pastor's son. You've been delving into Christianity and leaving the traditional church, and you had a spiritual, mystical experience, I think it was many years ago where you had this bliss, this oneness, and then the ego just came right in. And I'm curious about the ego. If you could share your perspectives on what is the ego? Where did it derive from in the first place, and it is sort of the dark side. Is it sort of like we have the soul and then we have the the ego? And that is a big contrast. Because, in a way, should we judge the ego so? And I know this can perhaps be connected to the densities that the law one speaks about as well. So yeah, where does the ego come from?

Aaron Abke 3:05

Such a great question. I deal with this question in the second chapter of the book The three beliefs of ego, I would say, to summarize, because it's we could talk forever about this question. But to summarize, I would say that my understanding of the ego is that it is most definitely a product of the veil of forgetting in third density, which is what the law of one teaches about. In that way, you could almost say that the ego is a unique third density phenomenon. And so I think to really understand what I mean by that, we have to know what is the ego exactly, when we use that term, what does it mean? Because a lot of people in the spiritual space, when they hear the word ego, they automatically think, my sense of self. And so then you get these ideas like, well, you can't live without an ego, so you just got to become friends with it and stuff like that. And I don't quite see it that way, because I don't see the ego as a noun, but a verb, not an entity, but an activity. So you can think of the ego more like a pattern of thinking that is instilled in human consciousness because of the veil of forgetting, because we don't know inherently our oneness with source. When we come into the human incarnation, we appear to be just limited down to this physical body. And so if that's true, which it's it makes total common sense to believe I'm just this body, because, you know, the 3d realm appears to be saying that. But when we do believe I'm just this body and nothing more, that creates this pattern of thinking, and then we we label that pattern of thinking ego, and we give it an identity and objectify it as if it's a real entity, but it isn't an entity. There is no such ego. One can be friends with or one can be enemies with. And when you understand that that the ego is an activity, not an entity, to me, it changes the whole game in terms of how you begin. Relating to the ego, because it's just sort of a pattern that you have to become aware of. And so the way I break down the pattern of ego in the book is that we can really deduce the ego, which, of course, in miracles, rightly says, is the belief in separation, but we can deduce that down to these three kind of negative core beliefs that dominate human consciousness. So once I believe I'm separate from source, the the very first or next thought is, well, if I'm separate, then I'm lacking. I'm lacking. I'm incomplete, right? So this, this sort of feeling of not enoughness that all human beings have, whether you had a traumatizing upbringing or a perfect one, like I did, we all have the same insufficiency within us, and a lot of people think that it comes from some sort of specific childhood trauma. Oh, I was abandoned at this age or abused at that age, and that's why I don't believe I'm enough, or I'm not worthy of God's love, and those traumas can and will definitely increase that belief, but they don't implant it. It is a default mode of human consciousness that nobody can escape it. We're all born into these three beliefs. Lack the very first thought after I'm separate, means I'm lacking, and then the other two flow downstream from there, almost like logically. So if Logically, if I am lacking, I don't have enough, I don't have what I need to survive. If that's true, the next logical leap would be to believe that my happiness is outside of me. Of course, right? Of course. If I'm lacking, I should go out into the world to fulfill my lack. I should gain things and win outcomes and pleasure and all this stuff success. So that's the second belief of ego, is that my happiness depends on outcomes or external things can fulfill me. And then, if that's true, if my happiness and my fulfillment as a human being depends on what's out there, not what's in here, then the third belief logically follows from there, which is, who's going to go out into this world to brave the you know, the beyond, so to speak, and go out there and try to gain all those outcomes I need, and win those things I need to fulfill my lack Well, me, of course, the character. So the third belief is really where the ego, like fully manifests itself as we experience it. And I define that belief as the belief in control, or the belief in personal doership, meaning I'm a character that acts separately and independently from life. Yeah, like, I'm not influenced by the laws of the universe, the forces of nature, the metaphysical cause and effect the back of everything. No, no, no, I the person the ego. Am choosing every action I commit, moment by moment. And I love the way that A Course in Miracles just comes in with like a wrecking ball for that third belief. And it says, No, you do not perceive your own best interest. It says the ego literally can't perceive its own best interest. So even the idea that you're in control is kind of nuked upon arrival when you understand like, oh, yeah, I really don't know what's actually truly best for me. I mean, let's look at America, for example, right? Look at the health crisis in America. You know, massive, morbid obesity rampant across the country. I think it's like one in three adults, or something crazy like that is obese in America, and on drugs and depressed and all kinds of stuff, right? So it's like, hey, if we're all so sure that we absolutely know what's best for us, why are we sick, fat, miserable, angry, depressed, divided, at war. You know what I mean? We clearly have no idea what's best for us. And so the the Course of Miracles comes in and says, This is what the ego will do to you. It will, it will use your own energy against you. So the ego is trying to convince you that it knows what's best for you, so that you'll buy what it's selling. Oh yes, when I finally get that girl, that guy, that car, that house, that fame, that fortune, whatever it is, then I'll truly be happy. And so we live our life on this kind of hamster wheel chasing outcomes that never really arrive, because even when they do arrive, they just don't really do the trick right? They don't really satisfy the way we thought, and we jump right back on that hamster wheel, and we're off to the races again. So it's like, even when you win, the ego's outcomes that it wants. I sort of picture the ego like a cruel task master in your mind, like cracking the whip all the time, like, go get me that outcome. You're like, oh, okay, because it it causes suffering if you don't, right? So the ego will will beckon you to go win those outcomes. And then even when you get the outcome, you're like, I've done it. Lord, here's the outcome you wanted. I got the girl, the guy, the money, whatever. And then it's like, okay, I'll give you a few moments of enjoyment, and then you're back out there again, and it's like, you can only enjoy the outcomes you win from ego consciousness for sometimes a few seconds. Is at best a few days or weeks. You know, even you buy a new Ferrari, and it wears off after a month, and it's just not as it doesn't elicit the same effect anymore. And now you want the Bentley or whatever, so we have to sort of see the game that we're being sucked into with the ego and understand, oh, this is just a way of thinking. It's a pattern of thinking that reinforces itself, the more I believe it and act upon it. And so I'll sometimes say, like the ego's rat race enslaves everybody. And you can try really hard to win the rat race. And you can, even from an ego perspective, you can win the rat race. You can become a famous celebrity, the president, whatever, right? You can win the rat race, but you're still a rat. And so really winning, you know?

Jannecke Øinæs 10:47

Yeah. I mean, the ego is probably connected to that chatty mind, right? I mean, it constantly is talking, and it seems like it is 97% negative. Where does that derive from in a metaphysical sense?

Aaron Abke 11:06

Oh, it's a great question. I would actually say it's 100% negative, because even what appears to be positive is really negative. And what I mean by that is this, when we look at the metaphysics of polarity, Law of One does a great job of breaking this down, right? Positive polarity, negative polarity. These are the only two polarities that exist. Of course, in miracles says the exact same thing. There's just love and fear, and you're always making the choice between the two. So the Law of One explains that the what is positive, it's not good and bad. So we need to get those definitions out of our mind. It's a function. So what is the function of that which is positive or that which is negative? Well, what is positive is expansive, radiating outward, moving, shining like the sun, right? It moves beyond itself. And likewise, what is negative is inward, moving and magnetic, absorbing, moving inwards. So like even what appears to be positive from the ego, such as the things I desire and getting those desires, it's still negative because it's all about me all the time. Ego is all about me. 100% of the time. It does not want to think about others or go beyond itself and be selfless in any way that is seen as a survival threat, and all these kinds of things. So the ego is not evil at all, right? It's just a pattern that evolution has, over millions of years, slowly generated in human consciousness to allow us to survive. So it absolutely served a purpose for a very long period of human history. But we're at the level of consciousness now, where we're ascending to that the ego is outliving its usefulness, literally, no differently than the monkey's tail. If you, if you buy the idea of evolution, which I don't know if I do, who knows, but let's pretend we evolve from monkeys or whatever, at some point we know we have a little bit of a lower vertebrae on our spine that extends down that scientists say, Hey, look at that. That used to be a tail. At one point. You can see it, you know. And so if that's true, at some point that tail became irrelevant to our species. We just didn't need it anymore. We're not bouncing from tree to tree. We don't need that limb behind us to stabilize our balance. So it just evolves itself out slowly. And the ego is no different at all. It's like it'll survive in human consciousness so long as we need it. And that is both true on the collective level and the individual level, meaning the way to transcend the ego as an individual within yourself is to no longer have use for it, right? And so how do we do that, other than transcending these three beliefs? Because the ego is nothing other than these three beliefs, lack attachment and control. That's all the ego ever does or knows how to do. So what we really need to do is, let's forget the idea of how to transcend ego, because that sounds way too big and grandiose, right? Let's just say, Hey, can we transcend our belief in these three things, the belief in lack, the belief in attachments that external things fulfill me, and the belief that I'm in control. So we just have to really work on those three beliefs. And all three of those functions are highly negative, right? Inward focused. So the course comes along and says, Hey, in order to heal your mind from the ego, you should essentially move your energy outwards. You should forgive people. You should love them. Should be of service to them. You should love your neighbor as yourself, as Jesus said. And when we do that, we get our energy to start moving outwards, rather than always moving inwards. You know, when you're in a state of stress or greed or pride or fear, any such negative emotional state, your aura is like moving inwards. It's very contracted, right? And you feel that contraction through your emotional body. And so the only cure could be to get our energy to start moving outwards, which is what love is. That's the function of what love does, is it moves our energy outwards. And so forgiveness, service to others. Kindness. These things are absolutely essential for transcending ego. But then on an even deeper level, I think it really comes down to those three negative core beliefs.

Jannecke Øinæs 15:12

And you speak about the difference between heart consciousness and ego consciousness, and that the heart consciousness is much more intelligent also than the ego consciousness. Could you speak a bit to that? And also how to move into that heart consciousness without feeling I gotta fake it till I make it?

Aaron Abke 15:31

Yeah, well, you know, there is a bit of that I think of the faking it till you make it. But I'll explain what I mean by that in a second. I like to look at it like this, understanding the energy centers, to me, really spells all of this out in a way that, at least for me, makes it way easier to understand. And so you do have to have some familiarity with what the chakras are, what they represent. But suffice to say, our lower three energy centers, so root, sacral, solar plexus, that's red, orange, yellow, those lower three, the lower three triad makes up ego. And so the fourth Energy Center, of course, is the heart chakra, and that's the green ray energy center. So the reason that the heart, the heart, that heart based consciousness, rather, is more intelligent than ego consciousness is because it's a whole chakra higher on the on the nervous system. So if you're just operating from here down in your energy centers, meaning you never include love or radical honesty, truthfulness, authenticity, spiritual perception, if these things aren't part of your daily life, you're just living as a person in a world looking to get pleasure, then you're living on a very, very limited level of intelligence. So what we need to do, and what humanity is trying to do, is to raise our level of consciousness up out of the solar plexus and into the heart and get it to stay there and make the heart our new locale of consciousness. And so how do we do that? Is your question. And I think really, the gospel of Jesus is the best blueprint for that. But of course, in miracles, I think just takes what Jesus taught to the next kind of metaphysical level, and it is all about forgiveness and repentance and loving your neighbor, loving God, being of service to others. The Law of One agrees with this. They literally call the positive polarity the service to others path, because being of service to others, aka moving your energy outwards, rather than inwards, is how you polarize on the positive polarity. So it's like partly in perception, meaning I have to actually perceive that everybody is one with me, and then it's action as well. I have to live and behave as if everyone is one with me. My whole being has to be in perfect congruence with itself. You know, what I say, what I think, what I believe and what I do are authentically parallel to one another. That's how we activate the heart. And so it takes practice. It takes a lot of self forgiveness and patience and understanding, because you're gonna fail at that time and time again. You're gonna fall back into those egoic patterns, right, of selfishness and greed and whatever else. But you have to expect that that's part of the process. We're not here to just plop down on Earth as a perfect being with nothing to work on or develop. Our souls come here for the adventure and the journey of self actualization. So you're supposed to gradually move through these progressions, and it's divine and it's sacred, and it's perfect, and it's not to be judged. But if I'm living from ego consciousness, and I'm trying to get to heart based consciousness from third to fourth chakra, I've got to move through the distance between the two. I've got to go through the spectrum that is between third and fourth energy center. I've got to confront my pride, my fear, my insecurity, everything, and meet it with love and forgive all of it. And so what I often say to help people understand why what the Course says really is true, that it's it's giving that really proves what you have right now, what you think you have, what you believe, what you tell other people. I'm so loving, I'm so wise, I'm so this. I'm so that. Ego has all kinds of ideas about itself. I've studied so many enlightenment texts, you know, I'm basically there, and it has all these false identities. The Course says no, no, only what you give to other people can prove that you actually have that quality. Jesus didn't like lip service very much, right? He has many parables where he rebukes His disciples for calling him Lord, Lord, but not obeying His commandment to love your neighbor as yourself. And he says, I don't even know who you are. Get away from me. You who practice evil, because if you call me Lord and you don't obey my commandments, that's not righteousness to me. So the Course says the same thing. It's like only giving is proof of having. And so how could you ever genuinely feel worthy of God's love, which is what we all want. We all want to live feeling I am worthy of my father's love. Well, how do you get there? Yeah, because we have so much guilt and inadequacy and insecurity. How do you get to that point? Well, the Course says, essentially, this is my summary of it, but the course basically says you will never feel worthy of God's love until you perceive that everyone else is worthy of God's love. You can't have it for yourself and deny it from everybody else. Love has to be a unilateral application. So judgment of others really is the ultimate killer of the heart chakra. And what causes the heart chakra to close? Because the green ray frequency is just pure love, divine love. It doesn't know judgment. It doesn't know fear in these kinds of energies. So whatever blockages we have in those lower three centers where the ego lives, that distorted energy will flow up into the heart, and the heart will just kind of close off to it. So the heart isn't blocked. There's nothing wrong with your heart chakra. Your Heart Chakra can't be blocked, but it will close off to any energies that are not congruent with its frequency. So that's why the Law of One says, Hey, all the work you got to do, all of it is in those lower three energy centers. You got to heal them, spiritually, balance them.

Jannecke Øinæs 21:08

And what about fear? Would you say that is sort of connected to the negative path? Because I can get fear just of anything, because I want to survive. I don't want to lose my loved ones. There's so much to fear in this world. Is that sort of part of the ego as well? Could, I mean, is it possible to live totally without fear?

Aaron Abke 21:35

Great question. I deal with this as well in the book, which goes into the fight, flight, freeze mechanism of our like primal animal body. So this is actually a great way to understand the root chakra. Root Chakra, the red Ray, is our primal energy center, right? So it's what grounds us in physical reality. It's what makes me a person in a body, living in a world, and I have physical needs that need to be met, survival, sexuality, basic, primal needs like that. And so if I have a blocked root chakra that would show up as apathy and depression and like, I don't want to be here anymore, what's the point? What Why go on like not having a zest and a passion to be alive is a blocked Root Chakra. And so the Root Chakra is what triggers our fight, flight, freeze response. And Ra actually explains this very well in the Law of One that whenever we get into a primal state, when we're triggered to fear of any kind, the root chakra, the red Ray, throws up a shield of that red Ray energy, and that's what puts us into what we call like the lizard brain, where when, as we know when somebody is in a true panic state, fight, flight or freeze. They're not thinking rationally, and they can't really be reasoned with, right? They need to be made to feel safe, right? And then their nervous system will calm down, and then you can rationally talk them out of whatever they're struggling with. When someone's in the Oh, it's not time to have a philosophical discussion with that person, right? Because they're not energetically available for that they they're only firing from the red Ray. And that red Ray is our animalistic chakra that's designed to keep us safe in the world. So the way I distinguish it is that the fight, flight, freeze response is is absolutely sacred and divine. It's perfect design, and we should not think of it as something that's unenlightened. So for example, if I'm camping with my kids or something and I see a grizzly bear, there can and should be a primal fear that rips through my body to get me to be extremely alert in the present moment to the danger that's present. It's like what's wrong with that? That's a perfect design of divine intelligence. But here's how the ego, as the Course says, uses your own energy against you, is now with the ego, with this third chakra, which is, let's say that the sacral, the second chakra, is our emotional world. The third, the yellow, is our mental or intellectual world. So the ego is partially online in the red and the orange, but it really fully comes online and manifests through the yellow Ray, which is the intellectual energy center. So the intellect then hijacks that feeling of fear and can apply it to any thought or belief or identity I have. It's got a whole mental landscape it can use to torment me, right? And so we human beings get triggered to the same kind of fight, flight, freeze response from social situations, right? When if you feel embarrassed or somebody makes fun of you, you can feel that chilling freeze response where you lock up and you feel that red Ray shield blocking your energy, your aura, and there's no danger present. Nobody threatened you. You're in no physical danger at all, but the yellow Ray the ego is applying that. Feeling to a mental identity of, Oh, you just got insulted. You just got lowered on the social hierarchy. This is bad for your social status, and it's making up reasons to be in that state of fight, flight, freeze. And so you can understand, even though the ego is not an entity, it's it's almost like it is, because it's a very intelligent pattern of thinking, you can see how ego would really want to get you and keep you in that red Ray shield state of fight, flight, freeze as often as possible, because you're just a little puppet in inside of its hand. It can control you however it wants, right, if it can get you in that fear state. So yes, fear is the greatest weapon of ego for that reason, and the course has a bit of a different definition of fear. The course uses fear more as a synonym for separation, so you could almost say it posits that there's just love or separation from love, which it calls fear. When I'm using fear, I'm actually referring to that primal freeze response that's felt in the body as as well as sadness and anger. So these are the three negative emotions that signal the three beliefs of the ego. So our emotions are actually to your question of like, should we not feel fear? Should we should we really get to a place in a human lifetime where we never feel these negative emotions. And I would say we should definitely want to get to a state where we feel them a whole lot less, or at least very fleeting. But no, I would not say that there's a place where you can get to where you should never feel any of these negative emotions, because they serve a primal function in the 3d world, and that's never going to go away. So sadness. When I feel sad, that is the signal of the belief and lack is at play in my mind, meaning, if I'm sad, I have to believe I'm lacking something. And you can experiment with this yourself to sort of prove it to yourself, if you need to and say, Okay, try to imagine how I could be sad with no thought whatsoever that I'm lacking or have lost anything that I want, then try to go ahead and be sad. You know, it's like, yeah, yeah, that checks out. I have to believe I've lost something or am lacking something that I need or want to then feel sad. So sadness is an insufficiency problem, right? The next one is anger. Why do we get angry? We get angry whenever a goal gets blocked or an outcome gets blocked. So remember, the second belief is my happiness depends on outcomes, so I need that and that and that, and I'm gonna go get it, and if anything gets in the way of my outcome, anger is the emotional response. So anger represents the fight response, right? And that's obvious. Sadness represents the flight response when you're sad, you wanna, you're trying to get away from your pain, right? You're trying to flee. That's why, if somebody gets made fun of, they run away crying, right? They want to get away from the pain. That's kind of what sadness is urging you to do. And sadness becomes depression when we want to get away from our pain, but don't feel like we can, you know, and then we go into apathy. And it's like, I want to escape this pain, but it's inevitable. It's just the way it is. You know, that's depression. So there's different variations of these three emotions. There's many flavors of sadness, there's many flavors of anger, and there's many flavors of fear, you know, stress, panic, worry, paranoia, but they're all just different flavors of these three root emotions. And if we can really identify like, Yeah, that's true, I really only suffer from these three core emotions, sadness, anger and fear, then we have to ask the question, why do I have three different negative emotions? Why not just one? What's the purpose of having three of them? Well, they must sort of signal different things, right? Each emotion must be caused by a different cause of some sort, and so that's what allowed me to understand that really, the emotions are based on beliefs, and if you don't have the belief in place, then the emotion, the existential emotion, can't be there. So if I don't have a lack belief, I can't feel sad. If I don't have an attachment to an outcome, I can't get angry. And if I don't believe I'm in control, I can't be afraid. And so the there's a way to balance these emotions with their divine polarities or counterparts. So the opposite of fear is trust, right? So I need to practice if I want to transcend that third belief of ego that I'm in control, I need to practice trust and surrender every day, right? I'm not in control. God is in control. God knows my steps, and God orders my steps. I'm just here to say yes to what God is doing and to be of service. That's the right attitude, spiritually speaking, for transcending that third belief. And there's a similar one that I give for the first and the second as well.

Jannecke Øinæs 29:50

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Aaron Abke 31:45

yes, as do I, I would say first so fourth density, in many ways, really is the same thing as 5D but it's a different framework. It's a different metaphysical framework. So 5D is using the dimensional framework. So dimension is more like a level of awareness. You could say it's kind of hard to describe what a dimension is, right? But 5D the best way, I think, to understand 5D talking about what is fifth dimensional awareness. Well, four dimensions creates a square, right? You have four points on a square. So 5D if we move the square flat and we add a fifth point, then what do we have? A pyramid, right? So the fifth dimension is the point on top of the pyramid that's looking down and has the full map in view. So that's why they call five dimensional awareness, the level where you have when you're fully actualized in it. Of course, you have full understanding of the the lower four dimensions. You can like you can see everything you have Heaven's perspective on it. So it's a very much higher level of divine awareness. And so it would be very similar to the fourth density in that regard. But the densities is a different metaphysical model. It's not talking about levels of awareness. It's talking about the rate of vibration of the photon, how many times per second, let's say the photon is vibrating. And so this is the law of one's kind of context for density. A density represents basically how fast light is moving, right. So the faster the vibration is of light, the more density of light there is, the brighter it is, right. So as we increase our density of light, we're it's synonymous with saying we're filling our being with more and more light. And so the more light that there is, light is really information and energy. The more information and energy that consciousness has available to it, the more that consciousness can express itself. So the densities also show us the level of expression available at that stage of consciousness. So a first density life form would be one of the four elements, earth, water, fire, air. So if you ask yourself, like, what's the amount of expression that a rock has, or the wind has, or fire has, it's like, it definitely has an expression. You know, it's not nothing. It's definitely there. It has its own very unique components and qualities. But, like, could you have a rock as a pet, or could you have a relationship with a rock in any way? Could you have a philosophical conversation with fire? You know, no, because it's not on the density level yet. Those elements are not at the density level where those expressions of consciousness are available. Similarly, a second density life form, a dog or a cat, they definitely have more expression than does one of the four elements, yeah, a cat or a dog or an animal or an insect. Interact. They're moving around. They interact with their environment. They've got awareness of self and all these things. But again, can you have a philosophical conversation with your dog? Can your cat invest in the stock market? Or know what that even means? No, because they don't have the photon at their density levels, not vibrating fast enough to allow that expression yet. So let's extrapolate what I just explained to third density moving to fourth. This is kind of a mind blowing thing, but if you think about the difference between a second density life form and a third density, so AKA, you and your dog, think about the difference in consciousness, right? Pretty drastic, pretty big difference. Well, there is just as big, and actually even bigger, of a difference between a third density being and a fourth density being, and this is because the densities, from the way I understand them, and all the different metaphysical studies I've looked at, all of them seem to corroborate this idea, including the Hawkins scale, that the densities are like logarithmic, so there's like an exponential jump in each density. So as big as the distances between a second and third density being even bigger is the distance in consciousness between a third and fourth density being and you go, Oh, how can that be possible? But then when you think about it, you're like, Oh, well, if we think about what ETs can do, they can speak with their minds telepathically. They don't even need to talk. They can read your thoughts like they're reading the newspaper. They can levitate objects with their mind. They can translocate. They can create craft that travel across the universe and galaxies. They can do all kinds of stuff that is God like to us, and then on top of that, just their spiritual awareness is on such a higher level. One example I give is, you know, the classic depiction of a like a gray alien, or whatever they've got the big, huge head, usually kind of triangle shaped head, a little bit huge, massive brain, and those big almond eyes that are like pure black, very small mouth, very small nose. And it's like everyone who describes ETs, like the vast majority of descriptions of ETs, or artistic depictions, they always have this exact same archetype, skinny bodies, big heads, big, black almond eyes, small mouth, small nose. You say, Why do Why do beings evolve like that? When you understand the densities model, it all makes perfect sense as you grow in consciousness from third to fourth density, raw says, When the heart chakra comes online, it immediately makes available the upper chakras as well. So the throat and the third eye are immediately available to begin doing work in and activating them. But before the heart chakras open, you got no access to these chakras. So the heart is the gateway. It's the great stepping stone, they say. So love is the foundation of all positive polarity, right? Once you're really Living from the heart, you are seeing everybody as a divine expression of God. You cannot judge people anymore. You genuinely love everybody like they're your own brother or sister. Well, you are operating on a much higher frequency of consciousness, and that love is that power that joins you to other beings, right? Metaphysically, it connects you to people when you love them. So as our intensity of love grows on this planet, we will start more and more to share thoughts with each other and pick up each other's thoughts, which already happens now, right? But it usually only happens between like husband and wife or really intimate people relationships, because there's a much deeper connection of love with that being so extrapolate that a few 1000 years from now, and imagine where the love is so intense amongst humanity that we're all just kind of able to swap thoughts whenever we want. And so now, like we don't really need to use our mouths as much, because we're just talking to each other in our minds. A couple 1000 years later, we're not really using the mouth much. Humans are going to eat a lot less food as time goes on, because we're more and more able to take in the subtle pathways of energy, the prana, the ether and these kinds of things, grounding from the earth, ETS classically, don't eat food, right? They just kind of take in sunlight and whatnot. So you're not eating and you're not talking, so the mouth is naturally going to get smaller over time. But what are you doing? You're much more intelligent. You're using psychic, telepathic abilities. Your brain needs to get a lot bigger. So the brain is getting bigger and larger. The mouth and the nose are getting smaller. Our hair, we're becoming less hairy because we're moving farther away from that animal spectrum, right? We're moving farther away from second density. So we don't need to be coated in hair and have big, huge muscles. Why do you need big muscles and to be big and strong when you can move people with your mind or freeze somebody with your mind? You know, it's like, yeah, I could probably beat an extraterrestrial at an arm wrestling contest, but they could freeze me with their mind. So like, Am I any threat to them with my big muscles? No. So. So that's why they get skinnier. And then think about the eyes for a moment. I believe correct me if I'm wrong. But is it the iris, that's the black part, or is that the pupil? Think it's the pupil, right? I don't. I always get this. I always get the two mixed up. Man, it's weird.

Jannecke Øinæs 40:16

But I have seen other aliens that are not like the gray so like, you know, guitar and the Pleiadian So, and some of them are looking like tall, blonde, beautiful beings also, but they are maybe, I don't know, on another spectrum, I don't know.

Aaron Abke 40:32

Well, people say that the grays are humans from the future, right? This is the classic thing that, at least, that I've heard a lot of, is the grays are us from the future, so they look a lot like us, but also very different. So if that's true, it makes sense why they would have gigantic, pure black eyes, which looks kind of creepy to us. But if you think about what the purpose of the pupil is, the black part in the center of the eye, that's the camera shutter, right? So when you shine light in your eye, it shrinks because it doesn't want to let in too much light. And when you're in the dark, it widens to take in more light. So the more black your eye is, the more light it's taking in. So imagine the spectrum of light that these extraterrestrials are taking in that have these big, huge, black, almond eyes. I mean, they're able to see parts of the light spectrum that are we're totally oblivious to. They can probably see our auras and our chakras. No problem. They could probably look at you and see your entire energy signature of your aura, and know exactly how spiritually advanced you are. You know, like we would look at a toddler and know, oh, that's a three year old. Oh, that's a seven year old. Like, we kind of know basically how old that being is, just by looking at them. I think ETS can do the same thing with us, but in terms of spiritual maturity rather than physical. So they've got these massive black eyes that are taking in a huge amount of the light spectrum, massive brains that are telepathic, and they can, you know, shape shift and stuff like, they are God like, compared to us? So you're like, yeah, there actually is an even bigger difference between those beings, you know, and where I'm at. So it's pretty exciting. I think when you consider the evolutionary trajectory we're moving towards, like, Oh, it's just going to keep getting better from here, right? But we got to move through a whole lot of shadow first before we can get to that level,

Jannecke Øinæs 42:21

I think so too. And I'm going to make a small jump, maybe a big jump, but it is connected. I've so wanted to speak more about this, the pyramids. And I know you have some perspectives on this, and I believe that extraterrestrials is have been involved with the pyramids, and I heard you spoke about that it was 11,000 years ago where there were extraterrestrials coming to earth, raw who were involved in the pyramids, and that they're now coming back so to help us in this shift of consciousness. And pointing to what, I believe that we are receiving some help. We don't have to do all the work ourselves. It's sort of a natural progression as well. So who, in your opinion, built the pyramids and why?

Aaron Abke 43:15

What a question. I mean, that's what everyone's talking about these days, with all the crazy new discoveries that they're making. I don't like have a definitive opinion on this, but in the Ra material, they say that they built the pyramids 11,000 years ago to be centers of both spiritual initiation and physical healing. So scientists know, Egyptologists rather know that the average lifespan for an Egyptian in ancient times was like 30 years old. And in the Law of One, they say that this was why Ra which, by the way, is the social memory complex from Venus. In other words, they were the civilization that lived on Venus a couple of billion years ago, one to 2 billion years ago. And so Ra explains all this in the 1980s that, hey, we're from Venus a couple billion years ago. Venus was in the Goldilocks zone and was perfectly habitable and stuff, and we developed on that planet. And they said, because Venus, it's one planet closer to the Sun than Earth is. Their bodies were definitely different than ours. Are probably thicker skin and things like this to deal with the intense brightness of the sun. And so they said our planet was very harshly bright in comparison to yours, which made its living conditions much more difficult in our third density cycle. And so basically, they said we didn't have the luxury of infighting with each other on our planet, because our planet itself is very difficult to survive on, so we've got to stick together and forge a civilization together. So they said, because of the the big challenge we were given on our planet. It. It actually catalyzed our spiritual evolution significantly. So they said we had a very rapid third density and a very rapid fourth density. And because they they became such a I don't know how Ross says it, but like, they were so incredibly fourth density in their vibration that when they made it to the fifth density, it was kind of a hard adjustment for them, and they had a much longer fifth density, whereas they had a much faster fourth density. So it's just cool to consider the way that planets and civilizations shake out when you change the conditions a little bit. But in any case, when they became sixth density, they're no longer living on Venus, because they're pure light bodies so they can live wherever they want. But they were traveling the galaxy or the solar system rather and monitoring Earth, and they saw this civilization that was very pantheistic. Meaning. They believe that everything is God, part of God, and they perceive that to be very congruent with the Law of One that, yes, everything is the one infinite Creator. And so it's not infringement for us to walk openly among them type of thing. And so the reason that they wanted to come walk openly among the Egyptians is because they saw that their lifespan was so short. And they said, I think ra says they were we saw that they were caught in a perpetual spiritual childhood. And I think that's kind of a funny way of putting it, because I'm 36 and when I think about that phrase as a 36 year old, it's kind of like, yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, if I only live to be 30 and then had to reincarnate and live to be 30 again? Like I didn't really, at least for personally, I don't consider that I really started developing spiritually until after my 30s. In my 20s, it was like, I gotta figure out, what is life? Who am I? What am I doing here? You know, you're trying to figure yourself out, only once you kind of figure out the nature of life itself. Oh, I'm a soul that came here to learn and grow. Oh, I should like get serious about spiritual growth. I mean, most people don't have that recognition until maybe their 30s at the earliest. And probably most people, it's like not till their 50s or 60s. You know, old age will really bring about a kind of natural enlightenment in that way. So even 30 is like, nowhere near enough time to learn all of the lessons available here. So Rob was like, we've got to go help these people live longer. So they came down, walked openly among the Egyptians and built the Giza Pyramids. Number one, I think the Queen's Chamber, if I'm getting that right, was the center for physical healing. And then the king's chamber was the center for spiritual initiation. And my good friend Robert Edward grant has done a lot of work on this in the pyramids, where he shows that, yes, indeed, just like ra says, The King's Chamber is a resonating chamber, and they would use resonance and sound to create and cause a kind of they would call it opening the gateway to intelligent infinity. So like a kundalini awakening, that opens the crown chakra. And then you're in this pyramid, which apparently a pyramid is the most geometrically conducive shape for moving energy up. And so you're trying to you're in a pyramid that's already moving energy up. And then you have a Kundalini activation. Crown chakra opens. And if you've been to the Giza pyramid, you know there's a opening right at the top where you can see the stars. And so it's letting in the cosmic prana. And they had this whole science worked out to help these people heal their bodies and ascend their consciousness. Because, like, ah, these poor third density beings are literally stuck here in third density. Like, it's going to take them millions of years to get out of this density, if we don't help them. So they were absolutely trying to be of service. But they said that after a short while, the teachings of the Law of One started to become weaponized for hierarchy and the upper class elite, you know, Pharaohs or whatever, were keeping that knowledge to themselves and using it to create hierarchies and like a cult or something. And so ra says we perceived ourselves now being in a sort of hypocritical position being there, because now we're no longer doing more harm than good. We're no longer doing more good than harm. We're doing more harm than good. So they said, Let's just bounce and we'll come back later, when this species is ready for us. So basically, humanity just wasn't spiritually ready to interact with ETs, positive ETS without weaponizing the information they were giving them. So Ra, the civilization raw from Venus, was Ma, has been monitoring our planet in the 11,000 years since, and we're waiting for an opportune moment a group of people that they could channel through to deliver the Law of One again in an undistorted manner. And that's what the raw contact, essentially, was in the 1980s was lnl research, especially Don Jim and Carla the three they were seen by raw to be very energetically. Harmonious and spiritually advanced enough that they could they felt safe delivering the Law of One message again to this group, and you got to commend L and L research, right? They did an absolutely brilliant job at receiving that communication and not distorting it, turning it into a religion, a cult, or anything like that. They made it all available to the public, and they're very much, they're very much not trying to be like, here's what this means, and you need to believe it. Type of approach. It's more like, hey, if this resonates with you, come and read it and read it and develop your own thoughts about it. We'll give you our opinions, but we're not here to tell you what this text means, I really appreciate the way Eleanor research approaches this information, because it does have to be like that. You can't make this stuff into a dogma, or it gets weaponized very quickly and easily. It has to be something that a spiritual seeker comes to when they feel pulled by it, right? And I think that's the one thing that makes the Law of One exceptionally unique among channeled materials is that it just seems like everybody who reads this text always has this same takeaway where they're like, I just it's like, I've always known this was true. It just it pulled me so hard when I read it, of like, this has to be the nature of the universe. It just makes too much sense. And so you can't make somebody be spiritually mature enough to have that viewpoint of it right there either are or they're not. And if you gave the Law of One to a religious person, they're going to say, this is evil Satanism and throw it in the trash. But if you give it to somebody who's done enough of that inner work in themselves, they're going to say, wow, it's like my soul knew this material. It's just a really amazing effect. I think

Jannecke Øinæs 51:43

I'm going to circle back to the pyramids, because it still puzzles me that there's so little evidence that extraterrestrials have been here. And I know there are some signs, of course, and some drawings, and they're finding more and more, but still it is not in our history books. Why do you think that is?

Aaron Abke 52:06

Well, I definitely know why it's not in our history books. But you know it is interesting that it seems like almost every ancient culture we know of have this very similar legend or mythology in their ancient cultures of beings from the skies coming down, and usually it goes something like either mating with humans, which I think means like genetic hybridization experiments and stuff, or giving us information and technology to help us evolve. But there's these stories in like the Sumerians have the Anunnaki, I believe it is the Aztecs, the Mayans. Have stories of beings from the skies coming down, and all that we know. Egypt, of course, has that. And then, of course, the Enochian tradition of Judaism, in the Book of Enoch talks about the Nephilim coming down from the skies, and they saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they lay with them and have these offspring. And so when you look at materials from the Law of One or Dolores, cannon or Edgar, Cayce, any of these kind of like famous channeling sources, and there's many more we could name, right? They also all have the same kind of basic story, which is that long ago, extraterrestrials, whether you want to call them Annunaki or whatever, they came to earth and they started to do hybrid genetic experiments with humans. And I think lob one actually does touch on this as well. I think they say it was about 500 years, 500,000 years in the past, but basically this civilization. I think they were a early stage, fourth or fifth density. They saw our predicament was that we're these kind of ape like cavemen, and maybe we were just pure primates at that point, I don't know. But they said, Hey, we can, let's see if we can help this species evolve faster in consciousness if we combined a little bit of our genetics into their genetics. So this is the story of why humans look so different than our closest ancestors, which would be like a chimpanzee or something. Why do we look so different and like why don't we see more of a progression between the two? Well, the idea is the Anunnaki, or whoever they were, did these genetic experiments to add some of their DNA to essentially give us some of their enlightenment, right? And on a bigger point, I think that this is something that extraterrestrial species probably do all throughout the universe. I think once you get to like fourth density and beyond, and you're like traveling through star systems and helping other civilizations. I think one of the common goals that most positive ETS share is sort of a scientific goal of, how can we master the science of spiritual ascension through genetics? So how can we help. Civilizations genetically have the best possible evolution, and can we give them some of our enlightenment, and does that help? And so I think these are almost like experiments that ETS do to see what the results are, because they're trying to be of better service to the whole universe, right? And I think they did that experiment here. And what some of the oldest texts say is that the the offspring of these hybrid human slash et beings were these giants, right? And we know that there definitely were giants in human past, but apparently, for, you know, hundreds of 1000s of years, there was these giant, you know, Nephilim or whatever, humanoid Annunaki like beings that were much, much larger, because Anunnaki were supposedly these magnificently humongous beings. Easter Island is another good one that shows some evidence for that, right? So who knows exactly what happened, but it does make a lot of sense that the reason we're so much more intelligent and look a lot more closer to that fourth density et, body. I said like we're much more hairless than monkeys. Are much bigger heads and all these things you can see, the progression is kind of moving that direction between ape and where we are. And the fourth density et, it makes sense that that would have been the result of some genetic hybrid experiments from ETS long in our past. And I think what raw says happened as well was that they realized, similarly to ra in Egypt, oh no, like now all the the lower level humans are worshiping the hybrids we created as gods. Now we've created a hierarchy that's not good, and so they dipped out. And basically they've just, like, raw, they've been monitoring our planet ever since to try to help our progression, to kind of atone for their past mistakes, in a way, raw says they definitely did that, that, like, karmically speaking, they literally couldn't leave our planet because of the mess they made in Egypt, until they've sort of made up for it in a positive way, because the the karmic impact just wouldn't allow them to they would. If they just come into a planet try to be of service, it gets screwed up, it does more harm than good. Whoops, and they just leave. They're going to lose polarity, right? That's very like, the very selfish way of interacting with planets. It's like, hey, look, if you're going to come interact with this planet, like if I'm going to walk into somebody else's garden and I step all over their flowers. It's my responsibility to go plant those new flowers and clean up the mess I made. It's kind of like that for ETs as well.

Jannecke Øinæs 57:30

So now they're back.

Aaron Abke 57:33

They're still here. They haven't left.

Jannecke Øinæs 57:35

Have they only been speaking through Carla, or are they speaking through others as well, and they are maybe naming themselves other than Ra, and it's really them speaking do you think?

Aaron Abke 57:49

Yeah, it's it's definitely possible. I don't know, is my answer. But one interesting thing Ra does say is that they say, We will never speak to your peoples through any other method than this one, meaning a three person contact, where you have one Channeler, one questioner, and then a scribe who's recording the session. And it needs to be a very harmonious group. It's like any three people can get a raw contact, you know. And so they say that very explicitly in the text. And you have people today on the internet who are claiming to channel Ra and like laying in bed and channeling all by themselves in a room alone, and their speed, they speak like they're talking like the Law of One. They use all the same verbiage, but you're like, hey, but Ra said they would never channel through somebody like this, and they actually give some advice on channeling that it should never be done alone, like a true contact, like they're getting, should not be done alone, because it's just too easily manipulated by the negative polarity. A negative being could easily sneak in and hijack somebody who's all alone. And so they say being with three people that are in a loving union with each other creates a shield of protection around the group. So now a negative VT can't really do a whole lot, and even then, as we know, in the Law of One, they did get a fifth density negative being really trying to interfere with Carla, but it wasn't interfering with the channel. It was just trying to make her sick when she wasn't channeling. So the most the big scary thing that they pull out is that they sort of ask raw, like, what would happen if Carla were to channel without us, and it was a negative et that deceived her, and she went into full trance with a negative et. And then raw gives this kind of scary description of the negative et can drag, sort of drag your soul into negative time space and keep you there. So your body would essentially be like a vegetable laying in bed, and you would it would eventually die, and your soul would be stuck in negative time space. And so that means your soul would then have to incarnate into a negative, a negatively. Polarized lifetime, she'd have to go to like a fourth density negative planet, and continue through the progression of the negative polarity until you get to that early sixth density negative which raw says the negative polarity can't progress any further past early sixth density. And so all negative beings in the universe eventually concede to the positive polarity, and they reverse their polarities. They can finish their evolution and re emerge back with the Creator. So you basically have to become a negative soul if that happens. So they said it's exceptionally rare. It's only happened once or twice on our planet ever. But they say, nonetheless, it's worth warning you about it, right? So when I see people like channeling alone in a bedroom, recording themselves, channeling raw, I personally don't and can't take that seriously as a legitimate channel. But also, I think for me, when you look at what's being channeled, the Law of One, like, let's just back up, it's like, just imagine if you could genuinely talk to an extraterrestrial who is a sixth density being that's just unimaginably more intelligent than you. How do you think that conversation would go? You know, and you have to come to the conclusion that it would be so alien and mind warping, it would be almost disorienting, you know what I mean. It'd be so out of my box, and it should be like that. And of course, raw isn't speaking to us like we're six density, and it can talk our you know, on its level, it's very much toning down the way it's communicating with us, like we do with a child. But nonetheless, even then, it's still mind blowing material that's like no one's ever really seen or heard it put this way before. No one's ever seen or heard the universe be described this way before. And you get the you get the impression when you read the law of one that they could keep doing this forever, like they could keep revealing secrets of the universe that would continually blow our minds. The universe is infinite, and so when I listen to somebody channel raw and they're just kind of regurgitating the same talking points we all know from the Law of One material, it also lends to me like there's no way this is a genuine contact when there's nothing to me profound or new about it. And that is, to me, kind of the hallmark of a genuine contact with an ET is that it should be very, very alarming in that sense. So when you stack up all three of those pieces of evidence, I haven't seen anyone that I for a moment believe is genuinely channeling raw. But that doesn't mean they're people that aren't doing it. They might be doing it in the right way, and they're just not broadcasting it publicly on Instagram or something. So I don't think raw is averse to speaking with us again, I think that they would, if they could find the right medium to do it through. But again, look at it from their perspective. They kind of caused this little mess on accident 11,000 years ago, and they just finally, in the 1980s found a group that could give the raw contact the Law of One Two in an undistorted way, and they did it. If I was them, I'd be like, let's just call it good there. Like, let's not risk any more contact. You know, with this race that keeps messing it up. We we fixed the problem. We had a great contact. Let's leave it at that. Let them do with the information what they will. I think that's more the mindset of an ET then, like, I want to talk to everybody and give you all this amazing knowledge. I think ETs are kind of more hesitant to give us knowledge than we think that they are,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:03:30

yeah, and the books are quite complex, and they're all there for everybody to read. And we have wonderful teachers like you who are sort of translating what they're saying. So we had some technical glitches for some reason on your end, on my end, so I have a new camera now, anywho. I wanted to continue to speak about wisdom versus love and then draw it up to the connection with the negative polarity and the positive polarity, because the law one speaks about that we could choose two paths, the negative and the positive. And most, most of us are choosing the positive. Fortunately, I wouldn't understand why anybody would choose the opposite, to be honest, but, but that exists as well, the everything so that is linked to also wisdom versus love. Could you explain?

Aaron Abke 1:04:27

Yeah, so the the positive polarity is predicated on love, so activating the heart chakra, and if you want to make it to the positive polarity, by the way, they say the graduation point is to get 51% or more, essentially heart chakra activated. They would say, service to others oriented is their phrase. But what that really just means is heart activated. So it's like, are you able to live from your heart 51% of the time or more? So if, yes, if that checks out in your life, review, you're going to the fourth density. But what does that mean to live from the heart? It means to live from unconditional love and non judgment. So if 51% of the time your your modus operandi is I want to be of service to others, I don't want to judge anybody, and I love everyone like that's where you need to live from, right? To be on the positive polarity, and from there it only increases. So then the negative polarity has to be the exact opposite of that, right? Because the polarities are literally opposites in every way. So if the positive being has to turn on the heart chakra as much as possible, the negative being is trying to shut off the heart chakra as much as possible. And so the way that I help people understand how this works, like metaphysically, is if you study at all, like the dark arts and stuff, which isn't fun to study, but you can learn a lot about the metaphysics of it. You see, like, whether it's in Freemasonry or whatever a cult it is, there's always these rituals and initiations you have to go through to go to progress up the ranks. And I did study, apparently, there's different types of Freemasonry. There's like, a good kind of Freemasonry that doesn't use all the blood magic and stuff. But the Freemasonry most of us are familiar with is the dark Freemasonry. And I think most of the powerful entities on our planet are Freemasons on the dark side of it. And what they do is they progress up the ranks. And famously, the highest rank is the 33rd rank, right? So a 33rd rank Freemason is like they've they've gone up the entire spectrum. And so when you study Freemason texts and the initiation rituals, or you listen to people that have been involved in it and escaped it, discuss it's always something to do with feeling less and less empathy for others. So they'll they'll make you do something like, like, cut off the head of a worm or something, and feel no remorse, and watch it slowly die on the table, and then a fish, and then, like, level 25 or whatever it's like, slit the throat of a pig, and watch it bleed out and feel no remorse. And you'll be, you'll be observed by the higher I forget what they're called, the higher ranking Freemasons are watching you and observing you, and if they think you felt bad about what you did, you don't get to progress up the ranks. So they want to see that you're completely cut off from feeling for others, so that they can trust you're able to handle the next rank and the next rank, and so they're slowly desensitizing you to compassion and love, right? So this is classic negative polarity, and in the worst of it, you know, we have stories of Hollywood, political elites, you know, eating children and all this horrible stuff, blood rituals with children's blood, it's always about taking the innocence of others, because the negative polarity, remember, does not have its own power. It only has the power it steals and borrows from others. So it functions more like a virus than a living organism. And so raw actually calls the negative polarity the path of that which is not that's what they call it. And this metaphysically checks out.

Metaphysically speaking, there's just being an existence. And so that's the positive polarity. The positive polarity was created by the Creator to sort of represent everything that the Creator fundamentally is in its true nature, love, oneness, unity, etc. And so then the opposite of that is the negative. And so metaphysically, it must represent everything the creator is not. So when we look at the negative polarity, a lot of people get this confused, and they say, Oh, look, the creator is both negative and positive, light and dark. But you have some really great Bible verses from ancient times that say, God is light in whom there is no darkness at all, and things like this. So what it means is, yes, the opposite of the Creator's nature is evil and fear and stuff, but those things don't exist, meaning they're not actually real. There's no ontology to evil. And the course teaches this as well, right? Course says evil does not exist. Why is that? Well, look at evil like the rottenness in a tomato or an apple. You can't take rottenness out of an apple, right? You can't isolate rottenness from a tomato. It is a state of privation within the tomato. So there's no such thing as rottenness that sneaks around the universe and slithers into apples and makes them rotten. There is no end to. Called rottenness, right? It is the privation of being. It is the absence of being. It is the loss of being. And so that's what the negative polarity is. It's the absence of truth, the absence of love. And so you can go on living like that for quite some time, all the way through the early sixth density. But it's not fundamentally real. It's not based metaphysically on the tenants of reality. And so it can only go on so long, and it must eventually concede, nope. This is the way reality actually is all is one. There is no separation, and so love is the only truly intelligent way to exist in the universe. But the cool thing is that doesn't mean the negative polarity is some kind of mistake. It's not the negative polarity was created when the veil of forgetting was created. And the Law of One goes into detail on this, that long ago in the universe there were there was no negative polarity, and so all planets were positively polarized. And they said, The problem with that is that third density was this enormously long density, because you have this condition where there's these very young souls that at the same time have full knowledge of the universe. And so he said third density beings were a lot like children in school who are not rewarded for doing their homework and are not punished for failing their tests. So there's no reward or consequence. So what do the kids do? They just play on the playground all day. They've got no motivation to study or learn anything, right? So when a third density being already knows I'm one with God and one with everything, and it's all love, there's not a lot of impetus for learning and development. And so eons ago, a logos, aka star, one of the star systems of our universe, had an idea, and that logo said, what if I veiled the incoming souls in third density from their memory of what the universe is and who they are, what would happen? And they ran the experiment, and it was seen as a massive success, because what it did was it created the negative polarity when a veil of forgetting was encapsulated around the planet, that the third density souls were going into, you had this new condition of the belief in separation. And who am I? Why am I here? What's the meaning of this universe now it's all a mystery. And so now there's the possibility to not know what's true, right, the path of that which is not meaning. Now, when you're veiled, you can get it wrong. You can understand the universe incorrectly, and that would be according to separateness. And so that created the negative polarity, which was actually seen as a huge success, because now third density went from being millions of years long to about 1000 years long, or at least on the individual level. And so the the logos were like, hey, this was a huge success. Because now there's this rub, this friction in third density where there's equal positive and equal negative catalyst available. And so now the incoming souls have this organic opportunity to genuinely choose which polarity Do I prefer. And raw says the Creator doesn't bat an eye at their choice, and it doesn't try to persuade them either way. But nonetheless, about something like 90% of the Souls in the Universe wind up choosing the positive polarity, and 10% or less choose negative. And so really, they say the problem is actually the sinkhole of indifference between the two, meaning a lot of souls kind of waffle between the polarities. For lifetime after lifetime. They don't really choose fully to be a being of love, but they're also they don't want to fully be evil either, and so they're kind of just living this mundane, selfish existence for millennia and eventually choosing the positive. So when we look at our planet and people say, oh, there's so many evil, selfish people on our planet, are they all negatively polarized? It's like, no, no, no. It's not that simple. Most people on this planet will eventually choose the positive. I'm absolutely certain of that, but they're in that sinkhole where they they still don't really know why they're here, what's the purpose of it all, and so they're persuaded by the negative polarity, and they're they're involved in it quite a bit, but that's going to create more and more suffering, which will probably lead them to eventually choose love instead the beings that are choosing the negative polarity, that are genuinely graduating to the fourth density. Negative are very few, but they just so happen to be all the people that are in positions of power on our planet, which is why they Yes. This is why it seems to be that the negative polarity has much more power on our planet than it actually does, because a negative being's entire existence is predicated on the gaining of power. There is no other purpose to exist. And so if you think about what kind of positions would a person whose only reason for existing is to. Take power over others. You say, Well, they'd probably go to government or politics, for sure. They'd probably want to be military dictators or anything like this, right? Famous celebrities that can influence the masses. And so, yes, these are all the positions we find. The negative polarity thriving in on our planet is Hollywood and Big Pharma and politics and government and military, because those are the positions where you can have the most power over people. And so most people aren't pharma executives or famous celebrities or politicians or governors or military dictators. These are percentage, wise, very, very tiny percentage of people are in these positions, but because of the nature of polarity, it's that the most negatively polarized people on our planet will always seek out the most powerful positions. And so as beings of the light, we've got to get privy to this. We've got to figure out the metaphysics of what's going on and say, Oh, the negative polarity only wants power and has no other motive for being here. So what we need to do is we need to put stop gaps in these positions, meaning we need to send beings of light into government, into pharma, into the military, and plug up those positions so that the negative can't have this full ownership of them. And that's where we're at right now is that the negative polarity basically has almost universal control over every position of power, because people of light don't want power. We don't I don't want to be a dictator of people. I don't want to be a politician that makes laws for people. It's natural that a positive being wouldn't want that kind of position, but when we realize the opportunity they provide to be of service to the planet. Like, hey, just imagine what good we could do if a being of true light were to become the president of Pfizer, you know what I mean, or the control of our military, or the president, like, whoa. We're talking about a whole different planet almost overnight. So it's like you we're in this paradox right, where beings on the positive polarity have no interest in power, and so we're kind of leaving a vacuum of power open for the negative to just grab hold of. And so now the positive is gaining wisdom, saying, No, we do need to seek out positions of power, not to take power, but to stop the negative from weaponizing those positions of power and to actually create benevolent governance on our planet. And so I think we're just now seeing this awareness Awakening on our planet, and we're seeing people like RFK and others who, I'm not saying RFK is being of pure light or something, but like, clearly, he's choosing the positive polarity. I think there's no question about that, and wanting to do good. So it's like we kind of just need to take what we can get at this point. Like, RFK is not a perfect person. Trump isn't a perfect person by any measure at all, but we need to say, let's not look for a perfect person, because that's an illusion, right? There's not going to be a perfect person we can elect for president who's the best available person you know, who's the closest to light we can possibly get in that position, and that's going to be a massive improvement over these deeply, negatively polarized, Cabal level people that have been running our planet for centuries.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:18:18

Oh, gosh, yeah, I don't I feel like I'm blissful in my ignorance when it comes to what's really going on we all are, honestly that feels a bit like protective. Are we receiving help with this also, or is it entirely up to us? I mean, feeling these positions with light beings, because it seems like the darkness has so much, I mean, it has so much power, and that it's difficult to come into these positions because they don't want to hurt people. They don't want to, you know, walk over bodies. They they want to do the right thing. And, yeah, darkness is just like, I mean, they they have their methods.

Aaron Abke 1:19:05

Yes, they certainly do. And to your question, your previous question about wisdom and love, I didn't actually address that, that that's a huge point. You just brought up. The negative polarity is predicated on wisdom or cunning or cleverness, intelligence, scheming, plotting, deceiving, manipulating. That's how they thrive, whereas the positive polarity thrives on love and service to others and benevolence and kindness and generosity. And so Ra makes this point a number of times in the Law of One that the downfall of the positively polarized being, especially at earlier stages like fourth density and late third density, the downfall is gullibility and naivete. It's projecting your own light too much and not reckoning with the harsh reality of the negative polarity. It's like, look, you can want you can have the best intentions, but if. Not wise as serpents, you're going to get eaten like a dove. You know, they're going to take advantage of your gullibility. So I think Jesus's advice is very shrewd and correct for us to say, be as innocent as a dove, yes, but be as wise as a serpent. If you're just as innocent as a dove, you're going to get eaten by the serpent. You know what I mean. So you got to be on that same level. We have to think how they think or like we have to know how they think and try to get one step ahead of them, because that's another thing the negative polarity has done on our planet, and they do on all planets, is they don't only want to take up all of the positions of power. They want to create funnels that prevent any one of the light from getting into that position too, because they're also very intelligent. They know, hey, if we just take all the positions of power and wreak havoc on this planet, pretty soon, the light beings are going to wake up and take those positions from us. So let's prevent them from even being able to so let's own these positions so they create these cultic hierarchies and things like this that make it very difficult for positively polarized beings to truly get in there. So it's like you have to either pretend to be evil and then switch on them at the you know, once you get in or we have to figure out how to slowly dismantle these filters that they've created in politics, government, pharma, military, they kind of almost create themselves, in a way, because birds of a feather flock together, right? So beings that all have the same goal in mind tend to stick together and like hanging out together, and tend to not like outsiders coming into their group. So like, again, look at RFK with Big Pharma. For a long time, Pharma has put all their own executives in positions of government, right in the CDC, in the FDA, HHS, everyone that's in these positions used to work for big pharma, you know, like they're all trading seats with each other. And then RFK comes in, and what happens? He instantly gets attacked by all the pharma executives and news outlets, and everyone's coming after RFK to try to make him look like a pseudo intellectual, a dangerous this or that. It's like, Hey, why is everyone in the medical industry suddenly so concerned about RFK? Are they really just so darn virtuous that they just want to protect people? You know, that's what it's all about. And this guy, RFK, he's bad news. He's dangerous. Is that really what's going on? Are we so naive as to believe that, or is this a smear campaign, the likes of which they use on anybody who threatens their power, and RFK is just the latest threat to their power. And of course, most people recognize that, yes, the latter is the truth, right? And so RFK ended up getting into a position of power because he had this huge movement of people that believed in him. So it's like, hey, as dire as these predicaments are on our planet, we're seeing massive cracks already opening up, and we're seeing the light Awakening on our planet in such a huge way that I firmly believe that the negative polarity absolutely knows their days are numbered, but they're going to enjoy what they have while it lasts, you know? They're going to go down with the ship, so to speak, and they're going to squeeze every bit of juice out of this thing that they can before they move on to their next planet. So we're by no means done dealing with the negative polarity on our planet. They're going to keep siphoning energy off of us as long as they can hang on, just like a virus does, right? But I do think that our destiny is inevitable, that we will eventually get through this period, clean up our planet and become an enlightened civilization. How long? Raw says that their estimates are between 100 to 700 years. And that seems pretty reasonable to me.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:23:37

We won't be here then Aaron, not in these bodies, not in these bodies. My, oh, my, wow. Thank you so much. We went deep today. Very interesting. Thank you so much for unpacking all this for us and doing the investigation. I mean, it takes you're diving so deep into this, these materials, and there's so much more to speak about, but we'll have to do that another time. Questions I ask all my guests on the first one is, what is self love to you, Aaron.

Aaron Abke 1:24:13

great question. I'll give the same answer I gave earlier that I think true self love, this is just what has felt true for me in my own spiritual journey. True Self love really is the ability to see yourself in everybody, to be able to love somebody else as yourself, as Jesus said to do, is real self love, because it's the recognition that they're not really another self. You know, Jesus said, hey, when you don't love the least of these, you don't love me, and that hurts me, because Jesus saw himself in everybody. So I think I teach self love all the time, and I've noticed this problem that if we always make it about, how do I love myself, my shadows, my pain, that's absolutely part of it. But self love doesn't end there. It has to be extended out. And. You have to afford everybody else the same level of love and compassion and care that you afford yourself. And so it's like, do I want to forgive other people of their mistakes with the same speed that I want to be forgiven when I make a mistake like that's the barometer that you've really found true self love? I think,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:25:20

Hmm, makes sense. And what is the deeper meaning of life? From your perspective,

Aaron Abke 1:25:27

the deep, the deeper meaning of life is the giving and receiving of love. I'm truly convinced of that we say, Oh, well, the universe is the creator wanting to know itself. And yes, that's true. But what is the creator and how does the Creator want to know itself? And I think we have to look within to answer that question of well, if we are made in the image and likeness of God Genesis, 126 then what we want and how we want to know ourselves must be a miniature reflection of the Creator. And what do we all want? We all want to be loved. We all want to experience the giving and the receiving of love, and that's how we define real happiness. And so that must be essentially true of the Creator as well. So I think for that reason, we can really summarize that the whole purpose of life, of why you're here in this body, of why this moment is happening, is love. And ra actually says in the very beginning of the text, they say, this is sort of one of the first rules of the positive polarity, the moment contains love always but it's up to you to see that love, find it and extract it and give it, right? Love is always available, but love won't force itself, and so we have to become the givers and the receivers of the love that's available to us.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:26:47

Beautiful. And where can people connect with you if they want to dive deeper, maybe work with you and follow your work.

Aaron Abke 1:26:55

Yeah, if you want to dive deeper, first place definitely is my YouTube channel, and that's just youtube.com/aaronabke, and then if you want to go deeper into the teachings and practices on my channel, I have a online platform called 4d University, which, you guessed it, is all about teaching you how to ascend your consciousness to that fourth density level to really live from the fourth Energy Center, which I call heart based consciousness, or fourth density consciousness. So that's somewhere that we just kind of package all these teachings into really relatable practices, daily practices, and have a number of programs you can take based on you know, what area of your spiritual development you're looking for. And so you can find all of that at 4duniversity.com, so number four, letter D, university.com

Jannecke Øinæs 1:27:45

thank you so much for coming back to Wisdom From North Aaron and thank you for your wonderful work.

Aaron Abke 1:27:50

Thank you for having me, Jannecke, it's always a pleasure speaking with you.