Have you ever walked into a temple, a church, or a place in nature and felt the energy shift? In this episode, Jannecke talks with Jeffrey Stegman and Clayten Stedmann, the co-founders of FLFE (Focused Life-Force Energy). Their aim is to bring that kind of high consciousness field into your home, onto your phone or into your business. Jannecke admits she was sceptical at first, so she asks the questions many of us would ask.
A Sacred Space in a Machine
FLFE began with a group of inventors who spent years trying to build a free energy device. They never succeeded. Instead, according to Clayten, they stumbled upon a way to focus life force energy, known as chi or prana in other traditions.
Jeffrey still remembers the first time he walked into the inventor’s modest house. It was untidy, with pizza boxes in the sink, yet it felt like walking into a cathedral. “They created a sacred space in a machine,” Clayten explains, “and we share that sacred space through quantum entanglement with a person’s property or around an object.”
Is Humanity Rising?
Here is a claim that may surprise you. According to Jeffrey and Clayten, humanity spent at least 5,000 years below 200 on the map of consciousness developed by Dr. David Hawkins. On this scale, 200 is the turning point where things start to become positive. Only in the late 1980s, around the time of the Harmonic Convergence, did the world cross that line for the first time.
Since then, Clayten says, the planet reached its highest level in the fall of 2019, dropped during the pandemic and the war in Ukraine, and is now on its way up again. “We’re in a new era,” Jeffrey says, and once we are above 200, things start moving forward.
And Norway? Clayten measures thousands of places every month, so Jannecke had to ask. His answer was around 418, in the range of reason, typical for countries with stable institutions. FLFE itself aims much higher: its fields are set at around 540, the level Hawkins calls unconditional love.
What About Placebo?
Jannecke asks the sceptical question directly: how do we know it is not placebo? Jeffrey’s answer points to their research, including a triple-blinded study analysed by Dr. Gary Schwartz, who now works with FLFE as their research director. They also mention the many reports from subscribers about pets that seem calmer and plants that thrive, which cannot easily be explained by expectation.
The founders are careful to say that they make no health claims. In their surveys, the benefits people mention most often are noticing and changing negative thoughts, finding it easier to forgive, and sleeping better.
Try It and Ask Your Own Questions
FLFE offers a 14-day free trial, so you can explore it for yourself and decide whether it is right for you. As Jannecke says, it may not work the same way for everyone, and that is exactly why she wants you to try it rather than take anyone’s word for it.
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Expand Your Consciousness, Reclaim Your Freedom & Awaken Your Purpose
Join Jannecke and the co-founders of Focused Life-Force Energy (FLFE), Jeff Stegman and Clayten Stedmann, for an experiential exploration of consciousness, freedom, personal evolution, and extraordinary abundance.
Learn practical ways to create greater distance from limiting patterns such as anxiety, and explore how FLFE’s high-consciousness field and EMF-harmonization may support greater inner calm and resilience.
Transcript of the interview
Clayten Stedmann 0:00
They stumbled upon a way to focus life force energy. They created a sacred space in a machine, and we share that sacred space through quantum tanglement with a person's property or around an object.
Jeffrey Stegman 0:14
We are able to share energy at a distance through the geometry, the movement of energy. It's tapping into divine given life force energy. It's multidimensional, where there's energy flowing from one dimension to another.
Clayten Stedmann 0:28
When you have more positive energy in your body, your innate intelligence knows what to do with that, and it just goes ahead and uses it to help you heal.
Jeffrey Stegman 0:35
We measure consciousness on a scale, the Dr. David Hawkins map of consciousness.
Clayten Stedmann 0:39
As your energy level increases and your consciousness increases. You have more power to create the life that you want.
Jeffrey Stegman 0:46
Rising in consciousness is naturally happening in the space, partly because there's more energy, and partly because it's at the unconditional love level.
Clayten Stedmann 0:55
The theory on consciousness kinesiology is that we're connected to divinity. We're part of divinity. The overall level of consciousness of the Earth that it's around 235.
Jeffrey Stegman 1:03
Being over 200 is really significant because that's where things start to become positive on the Hawkins map. When we activate the boost, anyone that's listening to this recording, a consciousness field opens for them.
Jannecke Øinæs 1:15
I was a bit hyper, like I wanted to play, and I I felt a lot of light. Jeffrey and Clayten, a warm welcome to the Wisdom From North show.
Clayten Stedmann 1:33
Thank you, Jannecke. Nice to see you.
Jeffrey Stegman 1:35
It's great to be here.
Jannecke Øinæs 1:38
It's wonderful seeing you guys again. You are the co-founders of FLFE Focus Life Force Energy, which is a breakthrough conscious technology that is designed to raise the energy in our environment, on our cell phone, in our business, and on the show we speak a lot about raising our awareness and our vibration, right? And I'm just so fascinated that there are technologies out there that can really help us with this. And my intention with creating awareness around this is really to help people, because to be honest, I was a bit sceptic when I first heard about efflefe, but then when we started to talk about it and share it and exploring it. We got so much great feedback from the Wisdom from North audience of how it changed their lives and what results they were receiving. And it's funny because when my colleague and I were activating the subscription, we both felt a buzzing sensations in our bodies, and I was like, "How is this possible? And I still don't understand how it's possible. But we're going to delve into part of it today, and we're also going to have a live webinar because it's something about being able to ask questions directly to you guys instead of me just asking the questions. So we're going to have a webinar where everybody can sign up. It's totally free and join it and ask you guys questions about FLFE. Anywho, let's dive deep today. So, Clayten, maybe you can describe FLFE, what it is, and how it came about.
Clayten Stedmann 3:13
Yes. Well, we just celebrated our 13th birthday a couple days ago, so it's been 13 years now. We've been in business. We did some service work before that, and I've been experimenting with the technology since 2007. So there was a, you know, if we talk about the origin story, there was a group of inventors that I'd met who were trying to create a free energy device to help humanity, and they'd spent years working on well on it. Actually, by the time I met the the last inventor who was still working on it, they'd been doing it for seven years. And the gentleman that I met was the builder of the technology physically. He was a tool and die maker, electrician, Millwright, yeah, very handy guy. And so they would do research on the different technologies that were out there that they'd heard about to create a free energy device, and they would take them and then try to, you know, modify it and build build their own version. And they never figured out how to create a free energy device, but they stumbled upon a way to focus life force energy. They call it chi in the in the Chinese tradition, prana in the you know the Ayurvedic or more the Indian culture. A lot of us, you know, if we're trying to relate to it, it's just the it's the energy that's at a sacred site or a pilgrimage area, where it's a high vibration, and the the thoughts and the devotion and the natural energies of the earth. Typically, it's natural energies first, right? We find a place like a where two ley lines cross, or a place that has a really high energy, and people will build. Build a temple there, or they'll build some type of place of worship, and then more people come and they have positive thoughts about the environment, and they receive a benefit from the from the good energy there, and it creates something called a high consciousness field. So it's really quite simple. It's just that they created a sacred space in a machine, and we share that sacred space through quantum entanglement with a person's property or around an object. That's kind of a simple way to explain it.
Jannecke Øinæs 5:39
Thank you. And still, I don't get it totally.
Clayten Stedmann 5:43
I don't get it. I've been working for 20 years,
Jannecke Øinæs 5:46
right? I mean, how is it possible? Are we create like life force? Isn't that coming from the divine in a sense? How can we as humans create something like this? What is the scientific explanation or metaphysical explanation. How this is possible, Jeffrey? Maybe you want to say some words.
Jeffrey Stegman 6:07
Well, sure. I'll say first of all, we can do it as humans. So we are able to share energy at a distance. There's Reiki people doing Reiki, distance prayer, and you can even tap into say you went to a retreat and you had a really amazing experience and you felt really good. A month later, you can think of that experience and really feel that energy again. So there's a multi-dimensional aspect here where there's this connection with no space or time, so we we as humans can naturally do that. We can connect with each other across distance. You think of someone a minute later, they call you. There's that connection that started to happen when they're dialling your number, when they're looking you up. Oh, I think I'm going to call Annika, and then you think of them like we're able to do this. It's not like some woo-woo thing that's happening. It's it's happening every day. So, in terms of this particular system, due to originally high-speed alternating current. It was like a Tesla, Tesla setup. Tesla worked a lot in transmitting energy over distance. So these inventors followed that those experimental protocols and equipment. But what he was doing was transmitting through energy through the ground and through the air. This, the way the system works. When I originally went into the inventor's place, it was like like a modest house, and when I walked in the door, it was like walking into a sacred space. I mean, like a cathedral. I got this energy feeling, like tingly in my body, and the energy was moving upward for me. And I was like, "Wow, this feels really good. But it was like a small house, a little bit dirty. There's pizza boxes in the sink, but it didn't feel like that. It felt like the holiest of holy. When we were in Egypt earlier this year, the holiest of holy was like the back of the temple that you would go through multiple gates where you asked for and received, you know, entrance, and you would go finally to the holiest of the holy. Felt like that walking in, so through the geometry, the the movement of energy, it's tapping into divine energy, divine given life force energy. So it's part of, and I believe it's multidimensional, where there's energy flowing from one dimension to another, and through the geometry, the way things are built, you can concentrate that or enhance the flow into into this reality. It's one way to think about it. So we can do it naturally, and I think in some places where you go in the world, where as Clayton said, it's a kind of a natural setting that's high consciousness. It's because there's some physical and energetic thing happening there, and we're essentially doing that with this system. You know we're creating this space.
Jannecke Øinæs 9:43
So you mentioned a machine. Is there just one machine? Are there several machines? And how are these machines finding all the subscribers, activating their fields in their homes and in their houses?
Clayten Stedmann 9:55
Well, we have several machines for redundancy at different places, and. And in the machine, there's these input stacks that pull the energy from the air, right? And when you talk about divinity, of course, divinity is all around us and within us. So it's able to access that energy and focuses it and concentrates it, and then it goes to an output stack. And as Jeff said, it's these great big Tesla-like coils, floor to ceiling. And in the output stack, there's one area where it's concentrated, and it used to be this big, you know. And then we made it bigger and bigger and bigger. And then we figured, God, you know, how are we going to do this? Because so many people coming on, so we found a way to connect that space to a database, and then in that database we put prayers, right? So in the old traditions, I think this is true in Europe as well as North America, but certainly, yeah, certainly in Europe, my understanding of how they built churches is they would build them on a ley line, right, and they would have where the ley line is. There's an upwelling of energy, like a like a spring or like a fountain. They would build the pulpit right where that crossed, and so the positive energy of the earth would come up and inspire the speaker and amplify the thought. Right. So if it was a positive benevolent thought, it would be amplified. So we have positive thoughts in in the high consciousness field. So there's things like for people to have respect for each other, right? So that one that you know you're as important as I am, and I as as important as you are. That's like a respect thought, and we have things like forgiveness prayers, like I forgive myself, everyone, and everything involved in this traumatic experience, and I release it to my higher power to be healed now. So we have thoughts from all different religions that are self-evidently beneficial, and that helps create the environment. So when the quantum association goes from the high consciousness field in the machine to the database, you know, to the website, you enter it and it goes to your house. It's just like that person who's going to call you Jannecke, and it's like, oh, I'm going to call Jannecke. I'm going to invite her over for Thanksgiving. So she's thinking about Thanksgiving, what you're going to have for dinner, you know all the fun you had the last few years. That's like a positive programme, you call it, a positive intention. So it works works like that.
Jannecke Øinæs 12:13
Fascinating, and this is the first one of its kind in the world, right? The subscription, the FLFE, is that the first, you know, service to do such a thing?
Jeffrey Stegman 12:47
As as far as we know, you know, there may have been things in the distant past. Of course, technologies like this come around back around again, but certainly there was nothing like it when we started. No,
Jannecke Øinæs 13:01
interesting, and. Let's talk about the benefits and what people are experiencing with this, and and the journey of how it has evolved. I can imagine you guys starting with it, being a bit curious. How is it going to be received? Is this really working? Like, take us through this journey, where you probably were like, "Oh my gosh, this is actually working for people.
Clayten Stedmann 13:25
Yeah, well, I started with it on my health. I had a really significant health issue back in 2007, and I was-I do a lot of kinesiology, so I was testing different ways to get better. And my father had just passed over, and I had a similar condition to him, so I was it really got my attention. And so I was, you know, doing an alkaline diet, taking lots of enzymes, and there was I was doing lots and lots of things. And this technology was was on my radar as at least part of the technology because it's very different now than what it was. One part of it was on my radar because it was used as a healing technology, physical healing. You know, we don't make any health claims, and we're not guaranteeing that you know you'll heal a condition. But when you have more positive energy in your body, your innate intelligence knows what to do with that, and it just goes ahead and uses it to help you heal. Right. So a high consciousness field-it's a positive field. There's different technologies. There's technologies that can send frequencies, and technologies that can create a high energy field, and we do both of those. And then there's a high consciousness field. In a high consciousness field, you can transfer those loving, kind thoughts, those those thanksgiving thoughts, you know, towards people, and so that's that's how we're unique in that way. So I think I'll let Jeff talk about the all the research you've done because we've done extensive research, and he's. He's really fluent in that, so pass it to Jeff.
Jannecke Øinæs 15:03
Yeah, and also the benefits that you've received and the feedback in the research.
Clayten Stedmann 15:07
Yeah,
Jeffrey Stegman 15:08
yeah. Well, I would just stress first the, you know, in the progression of things, one of the first things we did was to find people to test it. So we started doing research right away, so we had a group of people that were sensitive to energy, and we would get on the phone with them, and we would turn it on and off, and they would say, "It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off, and we did enough of that to say, "Wow, this is really working. I mean, it's instantaneous that as soon as we turn it on, they say it's on. So that was like the very first research project we did was, and we focused on that. Does it work, and what are the benefits? And you know what we have found Over time, is more personal energy is big, you know. As Clayten said, there's just more energy there for the body to use to do what repairs or upgrades it needs to do. But also, we feel more energetic. So with consciousness, so we measure consciousness on a scale, the Dr. David Hawkins map of consciousness, and each point upwards is 10 times more energy present. So we're talking about you know 1520, 25 points higher. So there's tremendous amount more energy available for people, and what what we've found over the years is that in some places in the world, in some specific spots, sometimes river where rivers take a turn and the chi of the river tends to pull energy away and makes a low consciousness area. In those lower consciousness areas in the world, we use our personal energy just to compensate for that. So we're kind of pulling it up ourselves all the time. So when you then now suddenly take that property and you raise the energy that's available, it's like the body can just relax. It's like it knows that energy's there, knows that energy is available, and life changes. We've seen, like, we had a young woman who was on the service, and her brother was in a terrible motorcycle accident, and was paralysed, and just totally depressed, no energy, like could not get out of bed. Literally, he was he was bed bound, and she put the service on and went to work. Came back, he was out of bed, got in a wheelchair, and was outside, and that was huge. Months he had that hadn't happened, so that personal energy, besides just feeling good and though I can get stuff done, it's it's the life force sort of feeding us and increasing our joy and freedom because we're able to to to do what's best for for our lives at any moment.
Jannecke Øinæs 18:19
Does it help with anything? And do we need to set an intention? Do we actually need to do something once we have activated the service?
Clayten Stedmann 18:29
In terms of the physicality, your body has its own innate intelligence, and it knows what to do. It helps if you set a mental intention and have a mental or spiritual focus, and one of the opportunities is that as your energy level increases and your consciousness increases, you have more power to create the life that you want. Right. So the average person, I think you're alluding to this, goes up about 35 points in three months on the Hawkins on the Hawkins map, and each point up is 10 times more power. So you will have more consciousness, more power to manifest the life you want, and it's an opportunity for us to get focused on those goals that serve us and all of you know all of our human family, even the Earth, maybe all of creation. So you are right; it does help to to focus, but you don't need to do that. It would just like a lot of people are what we call set it and forget it, right? They just turn it on, and there's a little consciousness slider in the control panel. You can move it up and move it down if you want. You can turn the EMF mitigation on and off. You know, you can even turn. There's like meditations in there. I think we just shared a meditation with your community that we did that has progressive levels of consciousness in it. And you know, there's different things in. Control panel, little educational things, but it's a it's a way for you to be your own consciousness researcher. But most of us just said it, like you know, I mean, I use boost a lot, but I just said it and leave it, and just go about my life.
Jannecke Øinæs 20:16
But can you boost it too much, for instance? Since you were saying you can take it up and down.
Clayten Stedmann 20:20
Well, the way you would know if you boost it too much is that how are you managing your life, right? If your if your quality of life gets better and better, then you can handle it. And if your quality of life, if you start to, you know, like say you're too busy and you get overtired, right, and then you know you get kind of run down because now you have this all this energy, and you like oh I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that, going to do this. Well, then you may want to turn it down a little bit because you have to learn to acclimatise to the higher consciousness and learn to manage more energy. So there's definitely that can happen.
Jannecke Øinæs 21:00
So basically, you are receiving more energy, more, more of what is already there.
Clayten Stedmann 21:07
Well said.
Jannecke Øinæs 21:09
Okay. Yes, Jeffrey.
Jeffrey Stegman 21:14
And you know, our our mission here is to create these the optimal conditions for us to grow, for us to rise in consciousness, so it's not just having more energy, but rising in consciousness is naturally happening in the space. Partly because there's more energy, and partly because it's positive and in it's at the unconditional love level. So when you're in unconditional love all the time, like like going to a family gathering where everyone gets along, and it's just no matter how you are, everybody loves you. You know that unconditional love space. We're not in it very often, so when we're in that unconditional love zone, parts of us who maybe never felt love or thought they weren't loved, or had a trauma of some kind at an early age that may have split off and and separated from the rest of our psyche. Some of those parts now feel loved, and they start to rise in consciousness, and we see also in emotional age, so they're kind of rising up to meet us, meet the rest of us, and to integrate. So that's naturally happening. And of course, you know, like you said, you can use intention to to speed it, but it's it's just naturally happening because the body's in this love bubble, in this love zone, and those parts of us start start to rise. So that that starts like rising in consciousness. Like, why do we care? Why do we do it? And for us, what we see, the way we think about it, is increasing freedom. And so, as those young parts of us start to integrate, we can have be free from psychological suffering from some part of us that's always saying no, we can't do that, or we're not good enough to do that. Last time we did that, bad things happened. So that being free from psychological suffering is is huge in those historical patterns. So there's the brain quieting in a high consciousness field. It's one of the things that happens. There's just less thought, obsessive thought, especially negative thought. We tend. It's one of the things the research showed that noticing a negative thought and changing it to a positive thought is one of the top benefits people saw. So in that love zone, you notice, gee, I'm being negative. I'm being hard on myself. When before you might have just let it run unconsciously. So there's freedom from that and freedom from these disassociated parts that are holding us back, and there's also freedom from thought forms in like negative fields. Like as you walk around, there's thought forms that live in areas. You know, they're just held in this crystalline structure of the building materials or the ground, where somebody had a traumatic experience, we can be affected by those as we walk through. We think it's us, so a high consciousness field acts like a filter for that. Or our neighbour,
Jannecke Øinæs 24:33
our neighbour on the second floor who is very negative, and the the thought form is like lingering over you,
Jeffrey Stegman 24:42
having that bubble around you really can help us be ourselves and not be living somebody else's experience.
Jannecke Øinæs 24:51
Right. What about animals, dogs and cats? Are they affected by the service?
Clayten Stedmann 24:59
Well, it's interesting. We've done we've done multiple plant studies, and plants are like animals. It's kind of like a placebo, right? Because they don't know the service is on or off. So with humans, I think the top three benefits were, as Jeff said, changing a negative thought to a positive thought, the ability to forgive self and others, and then better sleep. Those are like the top three that mentioned, and we have a whole. We did a very detailed survey, multiple surveys, and those are the three of the top benefits. But we get a lot of testimonials from people saying, you know, my older pet has more energy. It's like it's got a second life. My my two cats get along now. They never got along. The cats and the dogs don't fight, and we get a lot of people saying, you know, all of a sudden there's more birds on our property, like the deer. And there's like I live in the country, and the deer seem to they accumulate. They seem to gather in our yard now. We got seven or eight deer that sleep in the back of the like half acre. They sleep out by the fence where the road is. We're on a cul-de-sac in the end of the road, and you know more and more the deer come around. And then there's we have wild turkeys near there on the land, and it's just it seems to it seems to be recognised this high energy by nature by animals, they just they they attract they're attracted to it, and they they calm they get calmer and happier. Yeah. In fact, some people like like you were like when we put it on your house. Your house was really high, so it's hard to discern if it's there. And so, some people notice it in their animals before they notice it in themselves, or they notice it in their pets. It's like, well, I kind of thought I felt it, but my pets really calmed down, and then my plants started growing like crazy. So I know there's something good going on.
Jannecke Øinæs 26:56
And obviously, I need to ask the sceptical questions because it's out there, of course, and I want to honour that. So, how do we know it's not placebo? But that is an argument for that-that we're seeing a change in animals and birds all of a sudden appearing. But if we don't have birds around us or or any plants that we see, oh, all of a sudden my my roses are blossoming and they're not dying for a long time. How do I know it's not placebo.
Jeffrey Stegman 27:26
Well, the placebo effect is real, and because we our consciousness is very strong, and we're creators, and we can create create an effect. That's why pharmaceutical companies have a hard time finding a drug that actually works better Than the placebo, but yeah, plants plants are a big way to do it, and we just did a triple blinded study, so the placebo is is out of that, and these studies are, so we feel that it's important to ask the person really, and and and find a scientific way to have the person tell us their experience, rather than you know a reductionist blood work where maybe maybe it tells you something, maybe it doesn't. But the person says, my headaches are gone, my anxiety is way down, my sleep is better. My brain fog is better. So we did a study with 30 symptoms, 30 EMF type symptoms, but they affect all of us. Anxiety is a big one in the world today, and in in the double blind part of it, you had the team. The participants didn't know if they were on the service or not, and then later they went on the service. And the triple blinding was the Dr. Gary Schwartz did the analysis. He didn't know who was on and who was not on Elfie. So we're seeing a strong result there, beyond beyond placebo. In in other ways, we find ways in previous research where you say, "Was your expectate? What was your expectation level, and what did you actually experience? And when the experience is way beyond expectation, then it's beyond placebo. It's another. It's another way to to gauge that.
Jannecke Øinæs 29:24
Yeah, and from what I understand, you're working closely with Gary Swartz, who is a scientist.
Jeffrey Stegman 29:29
Yeah, he's like the prototypical scientist. I mean, he's 80 something, and he he's been a scientist for ever since he was young. Harvard, Yale, University of Arizona. He was head of the University of Arizona Consciousness Department and head of surgery and psychiatry and all these other things. 500 plus peer-reviewed, published research papers, dozens of books. I mean, he's he's a giant, and what's really good about him, and and it's finding scientists like this is like gold, like finding gold. They're open minded, and so they follow the data wherever the data goes, rather than being predisposed like, oh, that's too weird. I'm not even going to look at the data, which happens often, or it's out of my box. It's beyond my understanding, so I'm not going to look at the evidence. So Dr. Schwartz follows. He followed the evidence with us for a full year before he decided to even try the service. He said, "I'm. I want to see your research. I want to participate. We're going to do some research studies together. I want. I want to see. I'm going to keep an open mind, but a sceptic open mind. And he did. And at the end of the year, he went on the service. He became our research director. He was all in because he was really impressed by the research, not only the positive, the positive showing the positive benefits for people, but the statistical significance was very high. I mean, it wasn't just a little benefit that could have been chance. It was like a big, a big jump that is not chance.
Jannecke Øinæs 31:24
And for those who are a bit sceptic towards that, this is a paid subscription. Let's just address that as well. It is a free trial, 14 days, so people can test it out, and I think that's super important that you can test it out because I think it's working for some and it's not working for others, and we would know why it's working for some and not others. But it's important for people to find out themselves. So, can you address that? Why is it a paid service in the first place? Why is it not free for the whole world?
Clayten Stedmann 31:58
Yeah. So it's a so you get a two-week free trial. Yeah. So if you do sign up for even a month, we we're very generous. We give you a free subscription called a Pay It Forward. It's at a much lower level of consciousness on the Hawkins map. It leaves the machine at 500. It may not bring the property to 500, but it will be a blessing on the property to some degree. And even if you sign up for a month, you get that for as long as Jeff and I own a business. And when we were, you know, experimenting with this, the first year we did it, we just did service work. We were going on Google Earth, and we were calibrating using kinesiology the level of consciousness of a continent, and we'd find the lowest consciousness place on a continent usually was a war zone or something like that, and we'd put a you know a much less effective version of FLFE on that area, and it would kind of lift the whole area up, right? So when you have an area that's really low and you raise it up, everything else can go up, right? And then when we thought about doing it as a business. It's like well, Jeff and I had other businesses at the time, and there's only so much you can do with your own resources to do the amount of work that we do with people. We think it's important to have someone you can talk about when your consciousness is going up, even though it's a very elevating experience, it's not something that people necessarily understand that well. So we have a really big customer service team with dozens of people, and you know we're like open seven in the morning till seven at night, pretty well six days a week, and a Pacific time, and so you can call somebody, and you can talk about. Okay, I'm having this experience. I have all this positive energy, and I, you know, I notice sometimes that things come up for healing, as Jeff said. Those, those parts of ourselves that never got the love that it would have been best for for us to get, they start to elevate, and and your life changes for the for the better, and it helps people to have someone to talk to about that. So we have customer service people who are just like us. They're they're trying to raise their consciousness. They're on the path, or maybe yoga teachers or students of some philosophy. We have lots of different religions and life views here, and just to pay for all that, like the money has to come from somewhere. So we have oftentimes said, we'll say it again. If if there's somebody out there who has, you know, 10s or hundreds of millions of dollars and they want to, you know, donate it, we'll we'll consider how much we charge for the service, but until then, we have to charge a certain amount to have the staff and the office building and all the overheads. You know, just I don't know any other ways to do it. And and we do give over 95% of the energy from the machine. We give it away anonymously to service projects. All around the world, and some of those are on our website.
Jannecke Øinæs 35:06
So tell us a bit more about the map of consciousness, David Hawkins. And I know you're passionate about this, Clayten. For those who don't know about David Hawkins and the map of consciousness, could you explain how what it's based on and what the different vibrations are, the different levels of consciousness, and how it applies to FLFE.
Clayten Stedmann 35:32
Sure, I'll love. So, Dr. David Hawkins was a psychotherapist in the United States. He had a an enlightenment experience, and he went from a a professional life to like a mystical life. At one point, he had 50 psychologists working for him. Had the largest clinical practice in the U.S. The hospital in New York where he practised built a wing just to help his patients. Wrote papers with Linus Pauling, the PhD in nutrition, extraordinary man. So when he had this enlightenment experience, he was literally in the hospital dying. He had a lot of health problems, and he asked, you know, he said, "If there's a, if there is some kind of God, please help me. I'd want to die, and he had a he had an experience, and he became more and more interested in spiritual things, and eventually he left his practice in in in New York and moved to a small town and was just living a very kind of simple life, almost an ascetic life, and he started going back to work, and he started trying to understand this experience he had, and he was going to different seminars on spirituality, and one and one seminar he went to, these people talked about kinesiology, and they were using it to do muscle testing for nutrition, right? It's very common for that. It's also very common in chiropractic. In fact, I went to a chiropractic session this morning, and they test your muscle strength, right? So the theory is that now chiropractics don't necessarily see it this way, but the theory on consciousness kinesiology, which is Dr. Hawkins' specialty, is that we're connected to divinity. We're part of divinity, and that we form these positive declarative statements, which we might think of as questions, but they're questions expressed in a certain way. And if we can form those properly, we can bypass the mind and use the body's direct connection. And so, Dr. Hawkins seen that kinesiology was a non-local phenomena. It's just not for muscle testing the supplements that you have in front of you or the food you have in front of you. In fact, they've proven now that you can test the level of appropriateness of a food from a distance for somebody, you hold them in mind, and you use a process you go through. Basically, your muscle tests strong in the presence of truth and weak in the presence of falsehood. And he took that same principle and discovered that you can measure people's level of consciousness through muscle testing, credible discovery. So then he, you know, because he was a he's a medical doctor and very well trained, he looked at different scales of consciousness in the world, and he created a scale that parallels the different philosophical levels that have been studied throughout history, and so it goes from like the human scale grows from like one to 1000. It's logarithmic. One point higher is 10 times more energy. 1000 is like the highest amount of energy that a human body can hold so far. You know we'll see what happens in the future, but like Jesus Christ, Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, some of the highest consciousness teachers in our history have had that level of consciousness. There's a certain number of microwatts of electricity with each level of consciousness, so that's why FLFE helps because it helps more positive energy in your body, so that's part part of the reason why you go up. And so on his scale, you have the really low levels, like 20 out of 1000, right? So we put a numerical value on it. 5020, is shame. 50 is despair. 100 is fear. 150 is anger. 200 is integrity. That's where integrity Starts 300's willingness, 400's reason, 500's love, unconditional love. Jeff mentioned this earlier. It's around 545, 50, and then 600 is peace, 700 is the beginning of enlightenment, and then between 700 and 1000 are the realms of enlightenment, and.
Clayten Stedmann 39:59
So FLFE, when we did our research, the best level of consciousness to have it at is about 540 unconditional love, and then you have boosts like you have a 600 boost that you get at home for 30 minutes, and then you have an 850 boost you can do as well for a couple minutes. So we give you these temporary levels, and yeah, the H 51 is very powerful. We could do one together if you wanted before we finish up, you know, on the call.
Jannecke Øinæs 40:30
Yeah, I would love that, and thank you for explaining that because that to me made sense in my brain. Like now, I get it even more. But yeah, you were speaking about before we went on here that we could do a boost for the audience or for the call. Tell us how that will work, and will it work for those watching, those listening?
Jeffrey Stegman 40:50
Well, with FLFE, in order to activate a consciousness field, you need a unique identifier. So, for a property, it's an address or coordinates. For a phone. It's the phone number. In this case, we've written an FLFE programme or a way to direct the energy that says anyone that's listening, when we activate the boost, anyone that's listening to this recording, a consciousness field opens for them, and so and we specify. So, step one is what is the dimension of it, and step two is what's the level of consciousness. So, we specify 850 in the 850 boost. We also have a 700 level of consciousness boost that we are currently running during this during this event, so these levels are just lots more energy there available for the body. Just all the benefits we've been talking about for a short period of time. The 850 is you know it's in high up on that enlightenment level. So there's quieting of the mind and other things that happen. Might be best just to experience it rather than explain it too much. But that's how it works. So it's anyone that's listening to this recording while we make basically turn on the boost during that period of time on the recording, it will happen for them.
Jannecke Øinæs 42:29
All right. So, have you activated it already, or are you going to?
Jeffrey Stegman 42:36
So, the 700. We it's standard process for us. We've done it since The beginning,
Jannecke Øinæs 42:41
okay.
Jeffrey Stegman 42:41
So 850, we could start now if you like, and do do one of those together.
Jannecke Øinæs 42:48
All right, let's do it.
Jeffrey Stegman 42:54
Give him the timer.
Clayten Stedmann 42:54
Yeah, I've got my timer ready. I just opened it up, so I'll we'll start now. We'll do it for two minutes, okay? And there we go.
Jannecke Øinæs 43:06
Should we close our eyes or do anything, or can we continue talking? Or
Clayten Stedmann 43:11
we just typically close them because we get kind of happy and blissful. But yeah, yeah, we just be silent.
Jannecke Øinæs 43:17
Okay.
Clayten Stedmann 43:17
Yeah. So we can so we can discern it, right?
Jannecke Øinæs 43:20
Okay.
Clayten Stedmann 45:07
There we go. Thank you.
Clayten Stedmann 45:08
Okay.
Jannecke Øinæs 45:10
All right.
Clayten Stedmann 45:14
Did you notice anything, Jannecke?
Jannecke Øinæs 45:16
Yeah, I would like to share. I felt really giggly, and I felt that I was a bit hyper, like I wanted to play, and I I felt a lot of light, and I just felt like let's go, you know, let's go out and play, let's have fun, like. But I've been feeling quite light during this interview in general, like a bit over the top, like not so grounded, perhaps that I have a lot of energy, and now I just felt like I got even more. Yeah, you guys are probably used to it. What did you feel?
Jeffrey Stegman 45:57
I just feel my mind shut down. I mean, it's just, and I just feel bliss and happiness, and and yeah, just happiness, really. So it's kind of simple. There's not much going on, but it feels good.
Jannecke Øinæs 46:15
What about you today?
Clayten Stedmann 46:16
I noticed my breathing got quieter, and my mind started to quiet down. I had a chiropractic adjustment this morning, so I've been already quite tingly. And yeah, and I, you know, Jeff and I do so many days, and we do quite a few interviews. We forgot to even tell you what to not what to expect because we don't want to bias you. But yeah, we usually go silent, which is something that people like you know in an interview don't want to not talk, and we usually close our eyes. So sorry for that. We just forgot to prepare you as much as we probably should have.
Jannecke Øinæs 46:48
And I was thinking that maybe I should have said you probably shouldn't drive, or is that a thing that you shouldn't drive if you're on this, or is that even better to be on a service While driving,
Jeffrey Stegman 47:03
well, the the way two minutes is sort of a safeguard on the 850, and that's we keep testing, and that's the length of time that we can't go beyond. And the way the the way the programme is written for the FLE field that's activated is that the person goes up to the level of consciousness that's appropriate for them.
Jannecke Øinæs 47:26
Okay.
Jeffrey Stegman 47:28
So some people may go right up to 850, and some people, especially if they're doing something that they need to do, it may it might stay lower. So that's a safeguard that's built in. That it's what, and that's across the board. Free will reigns. It's always what's in the best interest of the person, and the innate intelligence of the body, of course, is is running the show. So it's interesting about consciousness. Just one other thing, maybe about the Hawkins map, and is we have our personal consciousness, and that we have the conscious of the space, like the boost we just did, or a home. Maybe if we've done feng shui and we have a very harmonious home, or we've done FLV or something like that. So there's the space. There's us personally, and there's an interaction between those, so we tend to sort of vibrate with the field that's there on the land, or in this case, in the boost. So there's an interaction, and then between us, between us people, there's a field that develops. So as we get to know each other, there's and we take care of each other. We, we, you know, act in good faith, take care of their concerns. We start to build a trust, and we start to build maybe a fondness. So those are levels of consciousness of the field between us going up. So that's something to keep in mind that we're always building that third energy between us, that consciousness field between us by how we how we act with people. So we're either degrading it or increasing it, or maybe it's the same, but it's the actions of the two two or more gathered. There's a larger energy that's that's happening,
Jannecke Øinæs 49:33
right? Yeah, I've heard that many times before, and this is a subscription that people can try out, and I'm going to put a link below. And it's a 14 days free trial. And if you decide to continue full transparency, you'll also be supporting the Wisdom from North show without any extra cost for you. And I also want to mention that for some who are like me, like it took. Me some time before I actually opened myself up to this. I was a bit sceptical at first, and after getting to know you, after trying it for a long time, after talking with people, after talking with my colleague, and she was noticing things, and I started noticing things, I started feeling more trust, and I know that you guys are so genuine. I know you a bit now, and I know your background. With you know, Jeffrey, you've been working with business and trying to find more ways to include heart in business. Like that's your past and higher a higher consciousness in business. So you've been trying this before in so many ways, and you, Clayton, have a background of being a coach, you know, and and guiding people, and then you found okay, this is what you want to focus on now to help people. So I know you have a pure intention, and at the same time, it might not work for everyone, and we wouldn't know why that is, but that's why we've decided to also have a webinar so that people can ask you direct questions because it's one thing with me asking questions, and then there might be people out there who are hesitant and they want to ask their own questions. So we're going to invite everyone to join a webinar on my platform on Wisdom from North, and it's going to be totally free. And then you guys can ask all your questions, and you can feel into if this is for you, and then you can test it out for free, like we've been saying. And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. You haven't lost anything, and if it does work, you know that's amazing. So I'm really excited about being able to offer this, and we're going to dive even deeper. So, at the end here, is there anything more you want to add that you felt we didn't cover from this episode?
Jeffrey Stegman 51:56
We've covered a lot of ground. I mean, I guess I would say you know this is it's our way of serving is doing this. It started with the service work, but it's the personal stories, like like the young man who got out got out of bed, that keep me coming back every day. Besides, Clayten's such a good friend, but there's also the people in the staff. So now we're close to 40. There's an office in Nelson, British Columbia. Anybody that wants to come visit us, you're welcome. It's a beautiful place to visit, and it's incredible energy in in the the office, and encourage anyone that decides to do the free trial, or if they've subscribed, to to call in and talk to someone in the office because it's quite an experience.
Jannecke Øinæs 52:56
Wonderful.
Clayten Stedmann 52:56
Yes. Yeah. If you come to Nelson, we have some pieces of the original machine. We're just creating a museum, Jannecke, so people can see parts of it. So when you come and visit us, we'll show you some pieces. Yeah, and I had a I had a coaching practice for 25 years, and you know Jeff and I kind of met in the coaching realm, and he was really creating high performance cultures. But it was that heart centred way of doing business. He had a multi generational business. I learned a lot from Jeff about the practical realities of running a company, and you know, high performance. You know, it's not that different from heart-centered or high consciousness, it's very similar language. And I don't want to speak for Jeff, but we can help a lot more people with FLFE than I could help in my other business. You know, I tried to work with business leaders, and I specialise in business as a spiritual path, but I can only do so much good because I do only work with maybe you know 2025 people a week, and this way we get to help hundreds of 1000s and millions of people through our service work, and then through the subscribers. So it's really for us as a way to level up our service to you to our human family, And you know that's really what it's about. It's it's trying to help all all of us raise our consciousness and live a better life and contribute to each other and create a better world.
Jannecke Øinæs 54:37
Just out of personal curiosity, have you measured the level of consciousness in Norway?
Clayten Stedmann 54:45
Oh yeah, lots of times. That's what we do. I do, yeah. It's like everywhere goes up and down. I'll tell you off. I'll tell you off camera.
Jannecke Øinæs 54:55
Oh, has it gone down?
Clayten Stedmann 54:59
No, it's. It's Norway's Norway's Norway's pretty high, you know, compared to other places in the world. Yeah, of course, you have like good infrastructure, right? I mean, you have a fairly stable economy. You have your sovereign wealth fund. You have decent roads. Like all those things contribute to consciousness, right? If you have no sanitation and no public services, you know, you you don't think of it as consciousness, like, but consciousness fields are really quite simple. It's the simplest thing, but it's just not what we're used to hearing. If you, if you go to that Thanksgiving dinner, you go to that wedding, like Jeff said, or you go to that place of worship. It's if it's a place of love, it's a high consciousness field. It's just that you know, we never talked about it like that before, but since we have the Hawkins map and you can measure it, then you can start to change the conversation. And you know, one thing we have to do is watch that we don't make it too technical because we live in it all the time, right? And we we talk about it all day long. And I do like 20,000 calibrations a month, testing things around the world, seeing where we can help, making sure our system's working well, trying to refine things. So I'm very like I got to watch myself because I have such a specialised language. It's like I could just lose people, you know, because they have their own world they live in, right? Like doctors, you know, doctors talk and doctor talk, and engineers, you know, have this.
Jannecke Øinæs 56:19
So you won't share the level of consciousness in Norway right now.
Clayten Stedmann 56:24
Okay, sure. So when we measure consciousness, we typically measure over a period of time, right? So if you measure it in the instant, if you don't specify it over a period of time, it will default to the instant, right? So so if we measure Norway over the previous month, it's around the last time I checked, it was like around 418 on the Hawkins map. So the first world countries typically, depending what's going on, but typically they're in the four hundreds, which is reason, right? So you have rule of law, you have a court system, you have police, you have you know, accountants, and you have these professional standards, and that's the 400. That's the reason level of the Hawkins map, right? And so most, you know, first world countries, if you want to call it that, like Norway and Sweden, Denmark, you know, they'll probably be in the four hundreds. They might be a little bit lower than they were because of the wars in the world, right? Right. So that lowers the consciousness. But typically, first world countries, unless there's like a natural disaster or a war close by, or something very disruptive. There's some very disruptive things going on in Canada, which dropped it quite a bit about the political situation.
Jannecke Øinæs 57:43
Obviously, I have to ask about the U.S.
Clayten Stedmann 57:47
Well, some states are really high, and some states aren't. But in generally, the U.S. is going up. The highest the planet's ever been is in the fall of 2019, and then we went really we went down a lot during COVID. We kind of came up, and then the war in Russia-Ukraine started. We went down as a planet. Now we're sort of we have obviously the Strait of Hormuz, but we're generally coming up.
Jannecke Øinæs 58:12
Good and on the planet generally, can you measure what the level of consciousness we are generally in the whole world, like collectively, right now.
Clayten Stedmann 58:24
Yes. Okay. So you have the level of consciousness, and then you have integrated level of consciousness, right? So the level of consciousness, the average of the planet, and then you have the integrated level, and that's the level you don't go below 98% of the time, right? So it's a little bit technical because we all go up and down in consciousness, but you don't want to just measure the peak, right? You want to, if you want to understand where you live and the area you own, you want to have a bottom. So that's a little more technical, right? So the overall level of consciousness of the Earth. Think Jeff and I talked about it a week ago. It's around two 230, maybe 230 to 235 over a week. It seems to fluctuate, and then the integrated level, the level doesn't drop below 98% of the time. It's around 187. Now in 2019 the integrated level is two 245, 240 ish, 245. So we've dropped from then, but we're kind of coming back up, and the hope is, is that we had we had lessons to learn about that level, just like in our personal lives, right? And sometimes you have to go down and learn those lessons, and then you come back up in consciousness, just like let's say you had a relationship and it didn't go the way you want, you had to learn some things about yourself, right? So your consciousness kind of dropped, and then when you learn those things, you can relate to people better.
Jannecke Øinæs 59:47
That makes sense.
Clayten Stedmann 59:47
Same principle. It's the same principle.
Jannecke Øinæs 59:50
And I believe we're in a shift of consciousness. So, so you think that we're going up? That like that's the way. That's a path for us as humans. Yeah.
Jeffrey Stegman 1:00:01
Yeah, being over 200 is really significant.
Clayten Stedmann 1:00:04
Yeah,
Jeffrey Stegman 1:00:04
because that's where things start to become positive on the Hawkins map. So we were below 200, and we went back 5000 years, and we were below 200 the whole time. We were 190, and it wasn't until the harmonic convergence. When was that? 1986. Yeah, yeah, that the world went over 200 for the first time. So we're in a new era, and we got taken down a bit, but we're back over 200. That's it's really important because once you're above, it's just things are positive, things are moving forward, and you know, depending what happens, we'll see. But personally, I'm very excited about the trend and positive about the Earth and humanity.
Jannecke Øinæs 1:00:51
Yeah, it is these positive circles. If you have a positive circles, it just accelerates, right? So that's important coming into that positive trend. Well, that's a wonderful place to end this interesting interview and episode. Thank you so much. I have a few questions I ask everyone, so I'll ask you as well. What is self love to you, Clayten?
Clayten Stedmann 1:01:14
Well, right away, what comes to me is an affirmation that I use. It's I love and accept myself for who I am right now, I just accept myself and all my all my good bits and my struggling bits. I just I accept it in this moment.
Jannecke Øinæs 1:01:31
Beautiful. What about you, Jeffrey?
Jeffrey Stegman 1:01:36
Yeah, similar. All those parts of me-the young parts, the the current parts, parts I've pushed down, the parts I've tried to bring up, just loving them all, and forgiving myself for any anything that I've done that I didn't when I didn't forgive myself. So, I think self forgiveness to me is the basis for self-love,
Jannecke Øinæs 1:02:03
and Jeffrey, what is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective?
Jeffrey Stegman 1:02:10
It's evolution to me. It's evolving in consciousness. I believe that we're here to do that-to to rise, to become more ourselves, our true self, and more a reflection of divinity. I think that's the the entire purpose.
Jannecke Øinæs 1:02:29
What about you, Clayten?
Clayten Stedmann 1:02:34
Well, to have more and more of those moments we had with the 850 boost, right? It's to have more and more, and to live in that place eventually. You know, that's the that's my dream is to live in those high levels permanently. Yeah.
Jannecke Øinæs 1:02:51
Well, thank you so much for sharing. Thank you for your wonderful work and sharing your wisdom and perspectives today. And I can't wait for the webinar. And of course, I'll drop a link below to FLFE, the free trial, and we hope to see you in the webinar so we can connect as well with everyone. Thank you so much.
Jeffrey Stegman 1:03:11
Thank you.
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