What’s Really Happening! A Top Astrologer on the Call of Our Time! With Debra Silverman

Debra Silverman 0:00

So all the karma that America has put into place around this world, which has been very imperialistic and very imposing, is being called forward. So everyone's going, hold on a minute. Hold on a minute. Can we talk about America and Greenland to be threatening Denmark, it is so beyond belief that during this moment of time when the astrology is going wild, he throws that one out. And the whole world, you know, NATO, everything starts to wobble, because what would happen to the definition of safety, of the codes of trusting each other? So we're basically in a storm. What is happening all over from Ukraine to Israel to what's happening in the middle of our cities in America, what's happening to the weather? We've got to have the vitality to say no, and to be really willing politically, to step up and say, I don't want to judge. I just want to say no. I am not going to accept a reality where it's dangerous to walk down the streets. That's not the planet I signed up for. So I have to do something now. Will it end? Of course, it will end. Everything goes in cycles. That's the good news. That's where my optimism as an astrology comes from. And I'm going to go through the 12 signs, some of the signs, like Aries, particularly you, this year is hard 2026 is not an easy year.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:14

And when you're saying we're about to go down, when are we going up again?

Debra Silverman 1:19

That's a really good question. It's I've been thinking about that a lot. So

Jannecke Øinæs 1:28

Deborah Silverman, a warm welcome back to the wisdom from North show. How are you?

Debra Silverman 1:34

Thank you. I'm so excited about being here.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:36

I'm so excited to speak with you again. We had such a rich conversation the last time, back in 2025 and today we're going to address the craziness that's going out on in the world, and sort of how we can meet this time with grace. Now for those who are new to you, you are a world famous astrologer, also psychotherapist and a spiritual guide and an author of I don't believe in astrology, which we spoke about the last time. Now I have tons of questions for you today, but my first one, I'll throw it over to you. How do you feel our conversation today might help people expand people's consciousness.

Debra Silverman 2:13

I think it's actually less about expansion and more about grounding. There's so many podcasts and so much information out there about everything from ETS to AI to, you know, all the metaphysical principles. And I'm a very practical person that carries wisdom from the elders, which was all about being embodied and the senses and the pleasure of being in a body. And I feel like it's not a time to expand. It's a time to come home and ground and regulate your nervous system. So a big part of my life's work is the four elements you the first book I wrote was called the missing element, and it was all it's the subtitle is compassion for the human condition. Because, by design, we're such a funny species that we don't really know how to ground our tendency is to freeze or to run or to avoid or to you know. So the real question is, how do we stay present with the reality we live in, and use the wisdom of the elders like this is not the first rodeo we run. We've watched the planet go up and down. Everything goes in cycles. The Empire goes up, the Empire goes down. This is not a new story. At the same time, there's so many people here. We've never had a billion people ever on this planet. So because of the assault of stimulation and the vibration and 5g and politics, we're like so where is the entrance? Where is the calm? Where is the old wisdom that gave permission to say, as they all did, the indigenous Uh oh, something's coming. It doesn't look good that they had visions. They had dreams. They knew when changes were occurring, as the astrologer knows. But the question should be, what do we do to regulate to come to calm in the middle of the storm?

Jannecke Øinæs 4:02

Yes, true that. That was true wisdom to me. And we are in the middle of a storm as we're recording this. We just heard that. Well, let's just go there, that Trump is interested in Greenland, and we see reactions is starting to come from European leaders, and we're wondering about what's going to happen to NATO. And then we, a lot of us, turn to astrologers and to ask, you know, is this written in the stars? You know, is this being mirrored in the stars? And what can we expect coming onwards?

Debra Silverman 4:38

Great question. So using astrology to ground. Isn't that funny that we use the stars to bring us down to earth? It's kind of a contradiction in theory, like we're going to look up and it's going to bring us down. So in America's chart, which I study, Pluto returned after 240 years, a year and a half ago, during covid, Pluto came back to where it was. Now many of you heard about Saturn Return at a personal level. When Saturn returns to where it was when you were born. After 28 years, everything changes for everyone listening at 28 to 30, if you stop for a minute and think what happened? You got married, you got divorced, you had a kid, you made a move, that's a clear indicator that astrology is real. Well, no one's 250 years old to say what happened during Pluto's return, but America is so when Pluto returned to America, Pluto represents transformation and radical change, and it was in Capricorn, which was the governments around the world, because America is a pin that affects so many others in the center of the wheel, and they had Pluto return, which changed our structure, of trusting the government, of knowing they had our backs, of all the, you know, due process, all the rituals that were put in place, the codes that kept America solid broke a year and a half ago when Pluto returned. Now get ready. When Pluto was born, Uranus was in Gemini, and in June, for the first time in 82 years. I can't remember the exact number, Uranus returns to where it was when America was born. So a Uranus rules if Pluto talks about transformation and killing things in the underbelly, and really letting go of old structures, as it did in America's definition of democracy. Uranus rules radical change. It was found when they had the French and the American Revolution, 1781, so this was a time when we first saw, I love saying it. We first saw Uranus was our first capacity to see it. It was the indication Uranus is, don't follow, throw over the tea. Don't pay the queen. They came these boatloads of tea. They weren't going to pay the queen in England. They threw it off the boat. They're like, forget about the English queen. Forget about so it was revolution. And similarly, it's coming back to America's return Uranus returns for America. And what it's going to suggest is, once again, a radical departure, where Pluto destroys things, Uranus shakes everything up. Now will there be an end to the story? Of course, everything goes up and down. We're in the middle of the storm seeing Pluto return for America. Uranus return for America, and it's affecting the planet. So back to Greenland. If you listen to everything, he says, You're going to get whiplash. It's like, it's like, it's hurts. It says, Yes. He says, No. He backed into it again and took it away. However we all take his word as the President of the United States, I would suggest to everyone to turn on their observer. Step back. This is why we watch podcasts. Remind ourselves everything goes in cycles, and the only thing that doesn't change is water, air, earth and fire, like the home base has to be held steady and really respected. But in the meantime, when Uranus returns to America and Pluto returned, and there's one more indicator, that's all jargon, you guys don't need to understand this because it's astrology language, but Saturn is sitting at the spot on the American chart that just it's called the IC, or the fourth house cusp. It talks about karma. And so all the karma that America has put into place around this world, which has been very imperialistic and very imposing, is being called forward. So everyone's going, hold on a minute. Hold on a minute. Can we talk about America, including you at the beginning of a podcast? Why? Because that pins being pulled out for the reason to recalibrate our entire system. So announcement, take off your seatbelt. Put you on your seatbelt. We're on a roll, not just in America, but because it's the center pin of so many influences. And Greenland to be threatening Denmark, it is so beyond belief that during this moment of time when the astrology is going wild, he throws that one out. And the whole world, you know, NATO, everything starts to wobble, because what would happen to the definition of safety, of the codes of trusting each other? So we're basically in a storm. Back to my point. How do I in the middle of all this noise, come home to comfort? You know, I was doing my meditation this morning knowing I was speaking to you, and I thought it's really my promise as an elder, because I'm almost 70, to have the practice of my calm early in the morning when it's still and I'm back home inside myself, because you're this question about Denmark is one of many what is happening all over from Ukraine to Israel to What's happening in the middle of our cities in America? What's happening to the weather, the weather around the world? I spend my summers in Colorado. There's no snow. For the first time they've had zero in Colorado, the biggest Rocky Mountains are looking for snow, and we're already in the halfway through January. So. So what does that say? Everything's changing. The entire reality that we knew, and by the way, it needed to. It's the nature of evolution. Everything goes up, it goes down. This is the law of astrology. It's a circle. So sometimes the planet goes up and sometimes it goes down. The question is, when the dysregulation happens, where he starts speaking about, I mean, I find him as a practice, a spiritual practice for me is to keep my eye on him without judging, which is not easy, because all I want to do is judge that here do, can I do it like who walks in the room and looks like this, and we all act like that's normal. It's like, how the how did he become our leader with that outfit on the orange here, look what I just did to myself.

Debra Silverman 10:46

I'm all confused. The point of that conversation is in the presence of something to judge, which he is very easy to judge, the real high level of the spiritual awakened. One will speed to say, I don't feel comfortable. I have bad feelings. My intuition is going off. This guy can't be trusted. I don't think this is and then we return to, oh, wait, there's other people that believe everything he's saying number one and number two, I have to find my neutral. So my invitation to everyone that studies astrology or watches podcast is, this is my book that I both books that I wrote. The missing element that I don't believe in astrology is when my observers on and I get this little grin on my face and I'm like, Oh God, we're in a movie. And it becomes slightly endearing, like the human condition based on the design we operate with, is very confused right now. And everyone, everyone I know. And I'm going to go through the 12 signs, some of the signs like Aries, particularly you, this year is hard 2026 is not an easy year. Saturn is going into Aries for the first time in 30 years in the end on January 29 right? I think it's like a week from now, Neptune and Saturn for the first time since the Civil War in America come together, Saturn being the planet of life lessons, Neptune being the dissolver of illusions inside the planet of Aries. Who's the warrior? Well, we are going to watch the word war, the invitation to stand up, the invitation to get reactive, to be impulsive, and then I'm going to return to this position. Where's my observer? How awake Am I to knowing this was going to happen? How competent Am I to regulate my nervous system and say, Wait a minute. Give me a minute. I need a breath, because I'm feeling a little overwhelmed. This is going to be the question we all have to ask ourselves. What do I do in crisis? Because when Saturn and Neptune improve that they literally are going to present a civil war so many different countries. It's not just us. It's not just America. Why is everyone talking about Trump all the time? It makes me so mad. Well, he's a center figure. If you see his chart, he's Leo rising. His soul is a big fat show off. It's okay. He's son in Gemini. You have a chart like this. He's son in Gemini because you have LEO GEMINI, and he has a Full Moon in Sagittarius that is void. Of course, there's no emotional content that lives in that person. Now, if I would look at his chart, and he has Saturn in cancer and north node and cancer and mercury and cancer, everything screams sensitivity to his family, however, he's emotionally numb. Now back to us. I have to ask myself, What do I do when I feel really disrupted? Do I get numb? Do I cry? Do I get angry? Do I let myself ride the wave? Because that's what you gotta do here. You're human, and then come back home. Now that's the spiritual path. You ride the wave. You don't bypass the human. You get scared about the news, you hear about the weather, you hear about Denmark, and you feel yourself getting dysregulated. Let yourself go there. You can't deny the human that's our our love affair with this place, and then come home to the spiritual place where you say, Wait a minute. Give me a minute. I just need some quiet. I need to return to the place that's safe. Where is that? Oh, that's right in the middle of my heart, sitting with my kids, with my husband, with my wife, like, where do I feel home? And if you can't regulate that little, teeny world of yours, which is big inside your mind, then be prepared for the rest of the outer world to feel like we're riding a big so the question is, how do you self regulate you guys? What? What will you do based on your personality? Like for an Aries, you an Aries LEO GEMINI, you have so much chi you have to move energy if you're not singing or dancing or creating or talking, or you're going to feel the if someone shuts you down, your whole system contracts. There's other personalities when they're they love to be quiet and still and not getting caught and they send. Tend to be introverts. If they are forced to go to a party, they get dysregulated. So know your system. This is why I love astrology so much. Much honor your natural rhythm. Like ask yourself, What's my rhythm? I am like you. I have to move energy daily. If I don't regularly move energy through my body, I get depressed. You know, I gave Madonna a reading name drop, and one of the things that she told me, which was so fascinating to me, was she had to she's a Leo. She had to exercise, or she got depressed. I was like, Me too. Me too. I know that's you because you're fired. So if we don't know ourselves of what to do in the system of our own operating system. Now some of you, you really need to zone out. You need to have a drink of wine at the end of the day, sit back and just watch podcasts that calms your your system down. For some of you, it's the opposite. You got to call your best friend, tell her everything you ever thought. Call your next best friend, tell them everything, and then you feel better because you regulate yourself with words. Now these are the four elements, and you need to know your system to provide yourself compatible, comfort, safety on your terms, because we are going through a big it's like, I want to tell everybody, you're on a roller coaster, we're about to go down. What do you need for comfort? Because we're on a roller coaster,

Jannecke Øinæs 16:17

and when you're saying we're about to go down, when are we going up again?

Debra Silverman 16:22

That's a really good question. It's I've been thinking about that a lot. So 2026 Saturn enters Aries like, Let's go backwards for a minute. The last two and a half years Saturn was in Pisces, and it was all about this whole podcast thing went crazy and dreaming and mysticism and micro dosing and ayahuasca and going into the magic and past lives. And we've really had two and a half years. If you look at the podcast topics that have been really successful, it's just amazing how much spirituality, that's Pisces came out. But it was business as usual. We pretended nothing was going on with the climate. We just pretended like everything was just fine until Saturn entered Aries, which was in December of 2025, it went backwards. Now it's coming back. Now. It'll be back February 15 in Aries for the next two and a half years. Now it's in fire, so for two and a half years, Saturn will be in Aries asking all of us to be activist, to be responsible, physically, energetically, take this is everything I'm talking about, you guys, taking your body into account, because we get lazy. The last two and a half years was like, we didn't even want to do yoga anymore. We didn't even want to watch the news anymore. It was a very dreamy Pisces. And let's just live inside of magical cyberspace and just detach from our bodies. That will not be the next era. It's now going to get irritating in the physical level of survival. And we're going to go down that hill for two and a half years. Then it lands in Taurus. That would be 2029 when it lands in Taurus, it now shows up at the physical level where the changes have occurred in the government, in our finances, in our structures. And then my conversation about the four elements will get really important, because when it enters Earth after we're all pissed off, and we're all taking activism, and we're not letting things be quiet anymore, we're really feeling our physical energy now, we're like, okay, we need some practices, and we need to change the physical world. So that's 2027 sorry, 2028 to 2030 those are the two years of Saturn being in Taurus. And that's really going to give us the calm after the storm. The storm is starting this 2026. Is a very intense in April of 2026 get ready. Did you hear this? There's six planets in Aries. We have not had that since 1949 it's like if a baby were born in April of 2026 it's a warrior. We're being asked to step up and as an elder. What happens when you get older? I don't know how old you are. You're probably a lot younger than me. People get tired. They get tired, they get a little bit lethargic, they find themselves less physical, they don't sing as much. They stop having orgasms. They stop having fun. And that's dangerous, because in this next two and a half years, we've got to have the vitality to say no, like this whole conversation with Denmark, and to be really willing politically, to step up and say, I don't want to judge. I just want to say, No, I am not going to accept a reality where it's dangerous to walk down the streets. That's not the planet I signed up for. So I have to do something. So activism is going to become very important the next two and a half years to your point. Then two and a half years later, we enter into Taurus. It slows down, it calms down, it enters the earth realm. But we have a two and a half year window going down this where we're going to feel that whiplash feeling, and then I'm going to ask each of you, what do you do when you're under stress? Some of you need to retreat. Have a cup of tea, put on some music, make some soup. Some of you have got to research. You've got to go online and talk and read and write and collect information and study and use error. So the first was water, people that stay home. The second is air, the ones that love podcasts. You love information. It gives you comfort to hear someone speaking the sound of your voice, maybe not as important as their voice, but you love reading and researching. Raise your hand if you're any of those people. Then the third category is earth people. They need practical results. They get to work, they do schedules and spreadsheets, and they love creating strategic plans. I love these people, and they love taxes, and they're going to create structure of what it will take to make us safe and secure, and how to get people into a position where they feel in their practical self, that it's stable here. And then the last category are the fire people, and they're the ones that are loudest. This is you. They show off, they tell stories, they entertain, they stimulate, they move energy, and they've got to keep going, or they become depressed and it's okay to be angry. Why do we spiritually walk past that? If you're fire and you don't have fist, no, really, once in a while your sword comes out, then you're not authentic. So the water, people want to be quiet and have everybody leave. And the air, people want to talk and research. And the earth, people are organizing, cleaning, structuring, creating results. And the fire, people are like, Listen, you guys, we get up, and if we don't get up, you got to be careful, because some people don't want you bossing them around.

Jannecke Øinæs 21:29

Hey guys, I want to jump in here to give my thanks for being part of the Wisdom From North community. Your support and engagement means the world to us. We put so much passion, so much love into these episodes. And my intention is really to be part of this great shift of consciousness, to do what I can do with this channel, to help people expand their consciousness, love themselves more, follow their purpose and shine their light. So if you haven't yet subscribed, I would love for you to do. So thank you so much. You'll find the link somewhere here below. And now let's go back to the episode.

Jannecke Øinæs 22:10

I love this. I think it can be helpful. And we talked about it before we started to record to go through all the 12 signs. I do have tons of questions here, but I think that can be really helpful for people right now. And you touched upon it that the most impacted in 2026 will be the areas. So hello, which is interesting. And I just got to say that it was funny, because doing research for this interview, I came across some old videos with you, where you were acting out each sign, and I cracked up, and I it was so spot on when you acted out the Aries. And also Virgo, who is my husband, signe, and he was cracking up as well. So you're so spot on with these, you know, descriptions,

Debra Silverman 23:00

they're on YouTube, and you just put in Deborah Silverman, Aries, and they've had 9 million views because they're so accurate. People have really, over the years, have really celebrated. How off that? Because then your husband, who doesn't believe in this, goes, how'd you just do that five minutes?

Jannecke Øinæs 23:15

I know you're a great actress. Yeah, you are.

Debra Silverman 23:18

I've never done it since it before. I it was a very random occurrence, and it put my name on the whole list of astrologers because it went viral. So I'm really not a good actress. I just really know astrology,

Jannecke Øinæs 23:31

and you're passionate about it. Yes, right? So, yeah. So, okay, so Aries is going to have a hard time.

Debra Silverman 23:38

Wouldn't say it's a hard time. I'm going to give you through. So Aries is the most You're right. It's a most impacted sign. If you're born from March 19 to march 25 you're right after that, but it's still you're included in this. You're having to take responsibility for your focus so it could feel like you're being pressured. It's not bad. I actually think when Saturn's going through areas for the Aries people and Neptune, especially during April, March and April, your birthday months, you're going to feel a demand that you take responsibility for your energy. So it could be frustrating, because you party just wants to start things and not finish and tell everyone else what to do. And it's not that's not you've got to finish things now and have lists. So it's more about Saturn asking you to do what you promised. And it may not be fun to Aries to have to follow through, but that's my suggestion to you, is make a pact with yourself that says, Yes, I'm going to follow through. If you're born 1968 78/68 or 1997 98 you're in Saturn Return. So anyone that's 58 to 60 or 28 to 30, your Saturn's entering Aries. It's your ERA and there again. Buckle down. Let go. Say yes, let go of what you don't want to do. And then stay focused. It's a little harder with Saturn Return, because those people are being demanded to change. So pay attention, Taurus, you're off the hook. For the last seven years, Uranus has been in Taurus on April 25 it leaves and goes into Gemini. So Tauruses have a nature of wanting to sustain control. And the last seven years, there's been so much disruption, and they really remember Uranus was having a Uranus return in America? Well, for Taurus is the last seven years you've been under this influence of life demanding you change, which is not your favorite thing. It's leaving you get to come back to the comfort of your own nervous system. So that's coming soon for Taurus, it's an easier year than the last few have been. Geminis were born May 19 to 28th remember I said Uranus is entering Gemini This is a radical change for early degree Geminis. And I really want to say you're being asked. It seems like Geminis love this. To change your template, to like, reconsider your job, reconsider, not that you're going to change it, but it's like something has to change shift a little inside whatever you're doing, because you're going to have your ants in your pants, which Geminis live with anyways, because they're always a little bit spinny. Let's see if we have cancers. So for the last six months, and mostly the last of 2025 you've Jupiter's been in cancer. So you should have had an expansive year where you were feeling like I bought a new house, or I just found myself with this new career, or, oh my goodness, I fell in love. Jupiter's been in cancer, giving you the gift. It's now going to move on July 1, into Leo. So that's good for you to know. And yeah, you're you have moon in leo, as we know Jannecke, but let's leave that for a minute. You are the people cancers who are now going to settle into whatever was set up for the last year, settle in, relax. It's not as much change now, cancer is good at change. It's just that it was so much, both positive and probably some negative, but big. So Jupiter just left cancer in the middle of it will be leaving in the middle of, actually, on July 1. Okay, that takes us to Leo, who's going to have the best year, starting July 1, because Jupiter's entering Leo, and then there's going to be Saturn in Aries, and all the fire is going to support you. So you're really in for a wild, fun ride, Leo, traveling, planning on, especially the second half of the year. Where am I good? What am I going to do to spend my money? Because the astrologer said it was my turn, it is your turn, Leo, and the people that are born in the very early degrees of Leo, July, 21 to 27th

Debra Silverman 27:37

Oh, here was sorry. Uranus is opposite the early I don't have the dates, but if you're born the first few days of Leo, sorry, it's Pluto. I'm having a early morning burp. Pluto is opposite Leo's early degree. It's been going on since November 19, 2025 that means while Jupiter's coming to get you in July and you're going to have this wonderful, upbeat wonderful, upbeat series cycle with Pluto coming in. It's almost like, I, if I'm a Leo with Pluto, and this is a good reason to get an astrology reading early Leo's I'm a Leo, I feel something's demanding that I release my ego structure. So in other words, a particular way of being. You can change your weight, you can change your work ethic. You You really are fertile to make a positive change with intention. If you're an early degree Leo, and then second half of the year, all the Leos are on this wonderful ride. It's a good news story, Virgo you have been standoffish the last two and a half years, like you've committed, because Virgos are very committed, but you're in your independent sovereignty. That's going to change in 2026 now you're more open to relationship. I know this is your husband. There's there's more of a availability. It starts as early as February, where you're off the hook because Saturn's been opposite Virgo for the last two and a half years and it's over. So where you've been a little bit like, I'm trying, I'm trying now you're like, Oh God, I feel much better, and they're ready to go. You're going to love hearing that about your husband. Let's see. Libras, September 19 to 25th you are Saturn and Aries opposite Libra Libras, this is your year of discipline, just like Aries is having this year 2026 it doesn't have to be hard, but it is focused. So if I were you Libra, which is your hardest thing, I would make a commitment, and I would make a decision and write it down to yourself. I'm going to finish this book, I'm going to start a new job. I'm going to stop that, because this is your year of discipline. So you can be a little wishy washy and start things and not finish. Libra, this is the year with Saturn opposite your son that you really want to stay the course. Okay, Scorpio, you had a hard 2025 that was not a fun year for you. And it's going to get much easier in 2026 it's probably already changed. It's January, February. You're going to say, Oh, wow. I'm out of that dark cloud. So it's an upswing energy for Scorpio. It was not easy 2025 and you probably had to turn on yourself at some level, because that's what Scorpios do. They end up taking it in and getting now you can come back out. There's definitely the first six months particularly are going to serve you. Sagittarius, this is really fun for you, because all the fires in the sky, Saturn's in Aries, Neptune's and Aries, and we're going to have Jupiter and Leo the second half of the year. And you're a fire sign, sag so you're really the opportunity for Sagittarius in 2026 you love to travel. Well, this is definitely the year for you to feel expanded and get really blunt and start telling us your political opinions. Oh, really. Well, it's louder now, so you might want to learn how to say, I'm just telling the truth, so you don't get in trouble, because you're going to be energized. Capricorns this January, for Capricorn we just finished it. You guys had a really hard start, like a demand at work, which is your thing. You're the workaholics in the Zodiac, and this year, you're going to feel a stretch because Saturn in Aries is going to square Capricorn. It means that there's some tension for Capricorns. You're billed for the job. Do not complain if there's a mantra I have for Capricorn is to say I like to work. Instead of saying, Oh my God, why is it always No, don't say that. Put your attention for this whole year of 2026 I'm going to use the tension to reduce my complaining and watch your your the completion feel really good, as compared to overwhelmed. So if you have to stop certain things because you see you're complaining, stop Aquarius. Anyone born from January 18 to 27th you're in a major transit Pluto is an Aquarius. It's going to be here for the next 20 years. It entered in 2024 in November. It means change at the internal level. So your story is much more psychological, especially if you're born early Aquarius, and you would want to read it. You know, I have certified astrologers on my site that I do a game called matchmaker. Matchmaker. Make me a match. I look at your chart, and I then match you up with one of my certified astrologers. It'd be very useful for the Aquarians to ask, I need a little help, because their inner worlds, not their specialty, and their inner worlds calling their name. So why not get a guide? And last but not least is Pisces. It's so interesting. The last two and a half years, you know how you were feeling Aries is going to have that you were like, what's happening with Aries? Because Saturn's entering Aries. Well, Saturn was in Pisces for the last two and a half years, which means they were being disciplined. It I happen to love Saturn. Discipline for me is like the word discipleship. Like, if you work for the Christ, or you work for Buddha, you're in devotion, and it's not disciple and discipline are so connected because you're so in love with who you're serving. Or if you're not in love, you're like, No. So Pisces had the last two and a half years of being asked to work harder as what's going to happen to Aries, and it's over as of February 15. So they're going to start going, Oh, I can breathe again, because, you know, it's hard on Pisces when they're being demanded. You don't, they're, they're fish. You can't. It's, they're, they slip away. So that was what was going on for the last two and a half years. So that's just a short version. Obviously, some of you Sagittarians and Leos are going to feel so excited Aries are going to be. There's different flavors. You can rewind that and write it down. And the real truth is, each of you have personality types that, once again, I'm going to repeat it, have to know your own operating system, like, what do I use? And that's what a good reading does. That's why we study astrology. How were we supposed to figure out our system with no instruction manual? And we're so different, like help, and that's what astrology does,

Jannecke Øinæs 33:44

true that that was awesome. Thank you so much for giving us these readings for each sign. And I'm going to honor the voices who are a bit skeptical towards astrology in general thinking, but this is very general. So am I similar as all the other areas? And then I want to mention a beautiful sentence you said in another video that you don't have to believe in astrology, because astrology believes in you. I love that.

Debra Silverman 34:14

It's just true. It's just like you don't have to believe in gravity. Gravity's got your back, like there's no need for you to believe in love. You can't see it, but there's no way you don't feel it when you look at that baby's little face. So these are things the mind should be stepping aside you. Astrology doesn't make sense well, nor does love. Why do you meet somebody? Isn't it crazy? You meet someone and you immediately feel the connection. And someone else you sit next, and you're like, I don't want to talk to talk to them. I got the weirdest feeling that's invisible. Astrology is invisible. But we don't deny those, those invisible factors, like the fact that gravity can't be explained. Electricity is pure magic, and astrology is pure magic. Now, if your left brain is stuck on holding for hard evidence, and you're. A skeptic and you think we drank the Kool Aid. It makes me laugh every time I hear it. Then you have to ask yourself, astrology is 4000 years old. It's past the test of time. The more you study it, the more accurate it becomes. So to your point, you don't have to believe in it. It believes in you. It's been here since the beginning of time that was handed to us. You and I talked about this, which I just began to tell people from a higher intelligence, was it ETS? Was it the masterminds that created this place that gave us a metrics or a blueprint, an architecture? To say, Here you study the human psyche. This is what my book is. I don't believe in astrology. Figure out it's got a bad operating system. I hate saying that, but there is some faults. We don't know how to forgive, we don't know how to cry, we can't deal with death naturally. We resist it rather than lean into it. There's some funny parts to us. On the other hand, I'm so in love with being in a body. I mean, the human on the low level, the human design is so faulty. On the high level, this machine that we live in this temple where your heart never, ever gets a day off or a second off, and we forget to honor the temple. This is back to the indigenous wisdom of praying over our food and taking deep breaths and feeling the wind and listening to the you know that nature is the medicine and is the answer to all indigenous people. They worship the earth in that physical form. But the mind of our operating system is very funny. The things we say,

Jannecke Øinæs 36:39

yeah, it is interesting. And then we have the subconsciousness. And there's so many parts of us as humans we're not even aware of. We don't understand. And I think the most difficult thing is to see yourself like we could see others, and like, oh, he has an issue with that. He's so triggered by this. And then it comes to ourselves. So we have all these blind spots, and it's just so hard to see them sometimes, because we identify with so many things, not being aware that we even have a belief system sometimes. And also, what's so interested with the human mind is that we can be manipulated and brainwashed, and we can't believe in anything which I find so interesting, like you said, like we could be, you know, really evolved and in our highest, highest states, and then we have the opposite, like we really have the choice to go wherever, and it seems like It's not being stopped. Like I remember this play, this theater play, which was quite horrible to watch. It was this character who wanted to test God, so he did all these gruesome things, right? And he was like, why don't you stop me God? And God didn't stop him. And he thought, but you have to stop me at some point, right? But God didn't stop him. Like we have this free will. We can do whatever. And that points me back to we have to take responsibility, like there's a radical shift going on, because we have to choose on some level. You have to choose who do we want to be? We we're not being judged by higher realms, it seems like, but it's not sustainable.

Debra Silverman 38:27

I love that. Who do we so everyone, just stop for a minute. You stayed this long for this podcast. Can we ask a really important question? Because it was brilliant. What you just said, who do we want to be? I look to the future. I'm an astrologer. I look into the future and I track the patterns. I look into people's psyches and I track their patterns. Why? Because I am here to assist the evolution of our species and elevate us to a little bit of a more beautiful world. Now, that's what we're feeling right now. A world is dying, and it should be dying to your point, that story that that that play, we've done so many free will, horrendous things, there should be a consequence. It's we're catching up to ourselves. Okay, stop, everyone. Now, stop. Let's create a different version. Well, how is that going to happen when the government is so steady in its old function? Oh, I know. We'll dissolve Pluto, will enter Capricorn, and we'll break the government that happened over the that was a 10 year window that ended in 2024 November, the end of our our deconstruction, the ending of people telling us what to do. That took away our free will, and then it entered Aquarius. And now we're in the Aquarian Age. And now back to your question, What can I do in this reality to reconstruct and redesign a human who remembers the wisdom of the elders, water, air, earth, fire, the simple pleasures, how to hold steady and be balanced, and then future paces into AI and creates this amazing new world where it is easy, creative. There's art. Right? There's music, there's freedom, and it all surrounds mental choice. Now that's the new world we're walking into, but the transition between destroying the old imaginary life we lived in that we thought was so stable and so now we're all realizing Nothing here is stable except my inner world, where I know where truth is and peace is and love is and I love. There are people I love. I have this funny line. There's some people you can't get rid of, like you fall in love with someone, and then 25 years later, I have people in my world that have been in my circle for 50 years, and I'm still so in love with them. Now that's those timeless, absolute truths that live inside, that you can count on. Not many of them could be the dog, but you and you know who you feel that love for in the meantime, while the world is dismantling itself, while it's being broken down, where's the steady Eddie? That's the Free Will button. Where do I put my attention. How do I come back to myself? And you know, as an elder, I can really seem the younger part of me was so attached to what you thought of me. I had such approval, seeking for all I mean, I'm Libra rising, and everything was about the other and I was such a codependent, it's embarrassing. And at some point life during covid forced me into what would look like loneliness. My kids couldn't come for Christmas. I was alone. It went on for months. I was isolated. At first I went into loneliness. It was really hard. At Thanksgiving, it started, and then something happened, and I walked into this part of my inner world, and I realized, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. This is what the monks and all the great ones found out, was being alone and being quiet and being inside. The truth of oneself had this yum, yum factor. Well, I didn't know about that. So there went loneliness, there went being isolated, there went feeling depressed. I I shifted it, but that was a free will button brought to me by pain. So can we just say that out loud to all of you listening, astrology points to like you're going to go through a year of 2026, where you're going to have to pay attention to your discipline. Saturn's entering Aries. So all you Aries now you can use it as a really strong growth cycle, where you learn to say, I'm sorry, where you learn to forgive yourself, where you learn how to come back to center, to be isolated and alone and listen, because Saturn requires deep listening, or you can really get burdened and feel really overwhelmed and feel like everything's against you and why isn't no one listening to you. Because that's what Aries really feel like they everyone should just listen to you. So so as the year comes in, this is the decision, whether it'll be lonely or it'll be wisdom, whether it be difficult or it'll be teachings, whether it's going to be sad or it's going to be deeply rich, you've got to re examine. I I'll speak in first person. I realized, because Saturn's coming over me, I have moon and Aries that my disciplined relationship to free will. The only little bit I have between my ears was a daily practice. I choose to be here. Try these on, you guys. I love this life, even if it's even it's not true. Start, just fake it till you make it. I'm really thankful for everything, everything, everything. I'm so thankful. Just practice. It's all this new age beginner, New Age stuff. It works, being thankful, letting the mind be in devotion to your soul, like practicing meditation, practicing stopping the mind, putting on your observer and watching your mind and going, Wow. This is where astrology helps, because my Mercury is in Taurus, and my mind loves to think about practicality. So every time my observers on and I watch myself thinking about business, I'm on a hike. I'm myself. I'm having the best day. Now I'm back to that loop everyone's got them, they repeat like a broken record. And then my observer comes in. I go, Deb, you're doing that thing again. You're on that street. You just went by default when you weren't thinking. Now you're worrying and okay, sorry, sorry, sorry. Deep breath. Come back to center. Use my Free Will button. Come back into the moment, reestablish my understanding that I love to be here and I'm so in this moment now. That's a practice. That is what our school is about. You study your chart and find out where does my mind gets stuck. Should I tell you where your mind gets stuck? Yeah, metaphysics, you are a person that can't stop thinking about spirituality. It's like a fixation in your head. So now that you know that, you're like, Yeah, I'm doing that thing again. I mean, it's a good one, it's an easy one, but it does create a feeling of overwhelm, because there's so many different facets that you could be interviewing us. There's so many different topics that you could be your Mercury's in Pisces. You're like, Whoa. That's the second class of our school to identify the fixation of your mind, turn on your observer, bless it, and then get the free will by. By finding the steering wheel. We're going this way.

Jannecke Øinæs 45:06

Yeah, you're very right. And then I just have a situation in my personal life, in one way, and in my professional life, where there are sort of two camps in Norway, like spiritually, about AI, and they believe in this, and they believe in that, and both of them want me to interview them and address this. And they're like, which camp are you in? And I'm like, I'm not in any camp. Like, I'm open to anything.

Debra Silverman 45:32

You're Korean. Pisces your goal. You're swimming through all of it, yes, and that's hard for Aries, because Aries that's, see, that's the thing about astrology, your personality is really strong, but your mind is extremely open. That's contrast. So it's not fixed on one considerate you know, thought you're open. Your Pisces are two fish going in opposite directions. They believe in whatever's in the moment. That's fascinating, though. Warrior going, What are you talking about? So you could see inside of yourself that conflict of who am I listening to? And that always brings us to the rising sign, which is called the ascendant, which is what we're rising into. Literally, it's called the rising sign, and yours is just not going to help. Yours is Gemini, which means that you are a researcher. You want information. You want to see all points of view. Now your Mercury is in Pisces going, Uh oh, not too many points of view. And now your Gemini rising is going, well, let me just do a little research. Let me read about this. Let me interview someone. Well, I'll have opinion in a little while. Give me a minute, and it'll be your job as Gemini rising to always ask questions and not feel responsible to have to land the plane. You can just keep you are a researcher. You're our investigator. You're the social scientist. Going, Wait, what did you say you're so nosy, is another way to put that. You're just curious.

Jannecke Øinæs 46:54

Yeah, we all right,

Debra Silverman 46:56

and we all see that in your interviews.

Jannecke Øinæs 46:59

Um, you've said, and I find this interesting, that most of us are controlled by our charts. And I got curious about that. And you also spoke about how when we elevate our consciousness, we're not so controlled by our charts anymore. I'd love for you to expand on that.

Debra Silverman 47:17

Well, you can't stop being an Aries Leo. I can't stop being a Gemini Aries. That's the non free will button. We are controlled by our personalities, and they are instinctual, and they do show up in the chart. There is a free will button. It's everything we've been talking about. When awareness comes on and I start watching, this is why we study astrology, I start going, Oh yeah, I do talk a lot. When I was a kid, I talked so much, and I talked so fast and I didn't know how to listen. And then I learned this is where the Free Will button. And I tattooed on my arm, this arm, the words listen and silent have the same letters. This is for error for it's a message to myself to listen. Well, I had to learn that skill, because my Free Will button, when it comes to being a Gemini Libra, I'm like and then I put my awareness on as an astrologer, went Deb, and then I got really good at listening. So I changed my personality to the high road versus the low road of being just I changed. So therefore the Free Will button comes in you guys, and it is about studying the chart. Because if it's controlling you, and you're operating with an immediate reactivity you're not aware. And if you're not aware, and the roller coaster starts going down, and you didn't even see it coming, there goes the nervous system. So can we say that it's shadow work, in a way, becoming aware of our shadows. Yes, that's included in astrology. It doesn't start off as the shadow. It starts off as high road, low road. Like a developed Gemini speaks with choosing their words that really do make impact a low level. Gemini uses words going blah, blah. Now is that a shadow? Not really where the shadow shows up is the North Node. So that's one of the classes that we use in our beginner astrology. And we really do identify where are you susceptible to unconsciously slipping? So there's indicators in our class. It's only six weeks long. I teach astrology like at a fourth grade level, until you get to the end, and then you're in university, but I enter it to people that don't believe in it, that don't understand the language, just a baby beginner or an advanced astrologer who needs to reconsider the psychology. My whole first level is just the psych to your it's a perfect question. Is your psychology at the low level in the high level? And then one of the classes, we open the door to your shadow. We say, now, let's just name it, and that's people's favorite class. Like, it's so unusual to have a system like astrology, kind of like, sneak in your drawers or pull down your pants. You're like, I don't want to look at this. I don't want to show anyone. This is my secrets. And now they're out, and there's light put on them. The Observer comes on. And then there's compassion, and then becomes the free will. That's how you get free will. Serology is the key to free will. Just made that.

Jannecke Øinæs 50:08

I was going to ask you at the end to talk about your work a bit, but you just spoke to it, so maybe you could share, because you're having a class starting now in January, right? You only have it twice a year.

Debra Silverman 50:20

It starts, actually in February and then again in September. And we've had 9000 students come through our school who were just like you. They flirt, they flirt with astrology, they flirt with the Enneagram, they flirt with human design. I am a psych psychological astrologer. So this class, which is simple, level one is, I get so many love letters and I get packages in the mail, people's lives change simply by reducing the self judgment. This is not a courtroom. Life is really hard, and it's not nice, it's not friendly, but it's not trying to get you wrong. It's a classroom, not a courtroom, where you get permission to turn on your observer, wake up inside the dream, start having compassion for yourself, and then you look over at your Virgo husband and go, Oh my God, this makes so much sense. We always study someone else in level one, not just you. So you study your chart. There's only 10 people in the room. It's very intimate. It's very deep. And then you have your husband's next to you. Oh, no wonder. And then all of a sudden, compassion is cultivated, and that's why husbands send me presents. They're like my wife has been so much nicer to me. It's because she understood that he didn't have any air in his chart. It's not because he doesn't want to talk. It's because he's not a verbal person, or she discovers he has so much Earth in his chart, no wonder he's a workaholic. I keep telling him to stop, you can't stop someone's instinctual nature. So then the person has permission slips, and now all of a sudden they're like, You know what? You can go to work tonight. I can see your five planets and Earth. This is who you are. Why am I making you wrong? So there's a lot of compassion. I feel like a secret service agent that goes into people's homes and sprinkles compassion all over their house.

Jannecke Øinæs 52:05

Oh, that's beautiful. I would love to take your course myself and bring my husband along. I think awareness and becoming conscious of ourselves helps so much. I mean, I don't think we can change so much if we're not conscious of it. Now I'm curious, how far into the future have you been studying astrology, and what could you tell us about it?

Debra Silverman 52:32

I love that question. Your Mercury in pisces is showing that spiritual, big view. I have a very optimistic feeling, because as an elder in many lifetimes, I have been at the critical point, whether it was Atlantis or whether it was with the American Indians, where it was very clear to the storytellers and the ones that kept the wisdom that something was coming like we all feel it. You don't have to be a wisdom keeper to say, this is a very unusual time. And in Chinese, they used to say, the greatest blessing the curse is, may your world change. What is it? The Chinese curse is, may your world change. It is the scariest moment in time in this very era, because there's 8 billion people, and there's the internet and there's no more secrets, because before, when there was a war, it would take boats and it would take mail, and then it would take horses to get us the message. Now it's here instantaneously. He goes to to Switzerland. We all hear the speech. We're like cringing. That didn't used to happen. We didn't really understand what's going on behind now we're seeing all of it. So we're overstimulated when we go to the future. We have to consider there are other times like ours. We didn't have the internet. We've been through World Wars, we've been through transitions. We've been through ends of eras. It will happen again if the wisdom body is present, which is what I pray for, because I hope this is truth that I'm speaking as an elder. I'll stay steady, sit upright and be available to breathe with my family and say we saw this coming. Now will it end? Of course, it will end. Everything goes in cycles. That's the good news. That's where my optimism as an astrologer comes from. By the time Saturn enters Gemini and AI is here, and AI figures out that the intelligence of the human wasn't so self serving. They hurt the host. They hurt each other. They didn't get along. There'll be a really quick download from the from the AI to realize that the human built as it is is not constructive to longevity. On the other hand, AI will bring us the good news, the wisdom of technology that could update and introduce compassion and human humanitarianism. That's my prayer that the two will come together to create a species that we've been dreaming about, and they always said in the prophecy. The Golden Age would be right past the darkest time. So that's been the message that I've read across time you go down to go up, just like the roller coaster will come back up, and there will be a moment of pause once we feel the relief that that threshold, the birth canal, was survived. And whereas enough of us who did the work of compassion, of awareness, of hope. You know, it's very easy to lose hope when you listen to someone talk about taking Greenland against the will of like, Wait, aren't we a country? Aren't we a planet that cares about each other? Yes, that will be the future. So coming soon to your neighborhood, after we get through this threshold, just like the birth canal, it's really painful, it's really loud. The mother is screaming, the doctors are all on red alert. There's some midwives in the room who say, I knew this was coming, and the future is beautiful. That baby's going to come out, but not right now. So be prepared for 2026 to take your hands. You might want to hold on. You might want to do your practices. As I said, the simple medicine I'm telling you this, and that's my first book, the missing element is water. Requires five minutes a day you guys to meditate. Not a lot. Stillness is the home base. Silence always wins. Come home, I just I can't met because I wiggle too much, so I can't meditate for long, and I do it every day. Could be five minutes. I put a timer on, and I just go home. I breathe deeply, I bow my head, and I go back to thank you so much. I don't understand. I'm humbled and I'm grateful that's water, then an error. I spend a lot of time watching podcasts. I must confess, I love to read. I have a lot of interest in what I've watched your podcast. I I'm fascinated with information. Said the Gemini to the Gemini rising. All of you need to keep your awareness on, and this is important in error. Where's my community? Who's my person, who are my people? Where do I go to talk? Who do I listen to? It's really important choose those words and be careful. Like this is such a beautiful your podcast is exquisite. Who you pick and the questions you ask so you come, keep coming back here. Why? Because I'm from the North. Is that what it's called

Jannecke Øinæs 57:22

Wisdom From North.

Debra Silverman 57:23

Wisdom From North. I mean, talk about the elements. That's one of the directions. Wisdom From North. I want to stay in the wisdom of the people I'm drawn to, said air, who really stimulate my thoughts, make me have new ideas and make me smile for no apparent reason. That's air. And then Earth, where the question is, sorry, what am I eating? What is the nature of my food? Do I pray over it? Who do I spend money on? Do I give money away? Am I hoarding? Am I afraid? Do I not feel safe here? Earth is all about, unbelievable. Earth people always going for insurance, locking the doors, feeling scared. That's because there's a high road to Earth, which is the mantra I trust. Just pretend earth people, I trust life has my back so and then the highest road of fire people is they are the party animals. And this is the part in this life that I really because I have so much fire, telling the truth with your heart open, saying I'm sorry, being humbled enough. This is especially true in marriages. When you're pissed off or you're bumping into a conflict of two different points. Can we just stop? Knowing when to stop is the mastery of fire, right when you're ready to get pissed. Hold on, hold on, just give me a minute. I just did something I shouldn't have done. Give me one minute. I'm so sorry. So you learn all this in the school is you find out from your own chart, what's the predominant element? Where does your mind get stuck? What's your shadow? And then the most important question is, the last class is Saturn? What did I promise to learn this life and in my book, I don't believe in astrology, so your Saturn is in Virgo. It's so funny from your husband. Did you know that your life lessons Virgo? And you married a Virgo?

Jannecke Øinæs 59:15

No, gosh. What does that mean?

Debra Silverman 59:19

It means that your life listen to what I said. Your life lesson is Virgo. And you married a Virgo to give you the gift of trying to learn, to not judge, to not he probably tells you what to do all the time. What is worse? You don't tell an Aries what to do. You need permission to let your critic, your judgments, your high standards, be exclusive to you. You can't spray them on people. And then even with yourself, you've got to reduce the feeling of being you're a perfectionist. Your life lesson is Virgo, which means you're here to learn how to relax into the purity of your soul, which is a servant. Virgo love to serve. Well, that's perfect, except in your mind, you could have done it a little better,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:00:06

always.

Debra Silverman 1:00:07

So updating, updating the word perfect for you would be, I, your mantra would be, I always get things done. I'm doing a great job, and I really want to give myself permission to relax. And that's he probably triggers you. It's it's the nature of the beast. It's so funny about how God organizes us. They bring us husbands or wives who are the exact trigger in your case, for your life lesson. Now, good news is you're learning quick. Bad news is it can get little bit edgy.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:00:39

Very helpful, and for all of us, my goodness, thank you so much, and I'm just blown away by your knowledge. And I could just sit back and listen. I just love listening to you. So thank you so much for this. And I have some questions I ask everyone, and I want to tie it into something you said in another podcast that I thought was so powerful. It just touched me. You said God did not have a bad day creating you and saying that, I want to ask you, what is self love to you? Because often we are so hard on ourselves.

Debra Silverman 1:01:13

God did not have a bad day when she made you. I love that. So I think about that a lot when I meet someone like who I don't like and I start to judge him. I go, God was having a good day when they made you. I often ask myself, What was God thinking when they made you? I'd say self love is obviously this is so old, new age, 101, but it's so true. Is the way that I treat myself. I am very respectful to this body. I honor my temple, and I'm very respectful to my sadness. I was recently in therapy with my therapist, and she said, Deb, you're so sad. I was like, Yes, I am. I'm sad at the state of affairs. I can't pretend I'm not. So permission self love is taking the messy parts, the lazy parts, the sad the depressed parts, and holding them and letting the human be messy. This is the privilege of being in a body. I really honestly find it painful being in the physical experience of people hurting each other and all the noise and all the pollute it hurts me. And then there's this part of me that is so completely mesmerized when I look in your eyes. So self love comes in a reflection when I see a person like you who's so devoted, then I bring it home when I'm alone and I see myself sometimes when I'm going on a walk, I do a lot of nature walks, and I talk to myself, is that okay to say? And I say to myself, Deb, I am so glad I'm you. It's been a big game changer, because it wasn't always true. So I've really, in the name of self love, astrology has really given me back to me in a very gentle way, with compassion for my quirks. I like that word, quirks, and in my compassion for how sensitive I am. It was once a burden. This is what you learn in astrology. What you think is your worst trait is actually your gift. But it took me a long time to figure that out, and that's what my school is for.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:03:13

Wow. Thank you for being so open and honest and vulnerable that is really inspiring, and I feel it's inspiring us to also daring to be more authentic and honest about what we're feeling and who we are. Now, my last question is the biggest one of all, what is the deepest meaning of life from your perspective?

Debra Silverman 1:03:37

I think it's one word. I think it's evolution that there. It may not. I really don't know if there's a purpose to the evolution itself, but there is a movement, a constant. I think life is constantly moving and polishing and refining, and we're alive to evolve our souls as a collective, as a human condition, but also as an individual. And the older I get, the more I see my evolution bringing me peace. So I think the function of being alive is to continually use grist for the mill, the pain, the danger, the fear, the insecurity, the all those symptoms to to actually, okay, I got this. And the older and the wiser. Think about the Dalai Lama or Mother Teresa, or all the beings that we've seen that are such great examples, Jesus, they have shown us that you can be on this planet and operate with divine intention. And there is something about a whole planet of evolved beings who who really took themselves to the highest and lived together by dream about the future that I think we're working towards. And this is just boot camp. This is like, like, the pearl polishes itself with sand, while the human polishes itself with being on planet Earth.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:04:53

Thank you so much. This has been such a rich conversation, and I'm excited about your course. I'll drop a link below in the show notes. Yeah, is there anything more you want to add about it?

Debra Silverman 1:05:00

Just just that it is really there's money back. Guarantee you can sign up for the first week, come into the program and see after the first class is all about the elements. Just that, if you have any fear of studying astrology because it seems too big and there's so many numbers. I really do simplify, and the classes are just bite sized bits, and there's only 10 people, and your life will change, I promise. And we'll give you your money back if you didn't get the feeling it was true right at the top. So I just I, I am so proud of the people that have been through the school and seeing what happens from the before and after picture. It just gives me it's part of why I came to Earth.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:05:45

Of course, that is why you're doing what you're doing to transform people's lives, and you are doing so also on your YouTube channel and everything else you're doing. So thank you for your amazing work and for this conversation. I feel a bit transformed beside actually. Thank you so much.