Understanding the Seven Stages of Alchemy! With Jami Derro

Jami Derro 0:00

And he said his name was Elijah. When he introduced himself to me, he said, I am a future version of you. I started doing astral projection, which was taught to me by Elijah, who is a being from Sirius. He was giving me a tour of what it's like there. It's a meeting place. So there's lots of Pleiadians that will be there, all different councils meeting intergalactic councils. And that's when all the information about alchemy came to me, and the seven stages of spiritual alchemy, and how any soul that's here to go through the ascension process will go through these seven stages and bring all their gifts and abilities and really activate their soul memories so they can live the purpose that they came here to live. How can we know where we are in the stages? Yes, okay, so.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:00

Jami Derro, a warm welcome to the Wisdom From North show.

Jami Derro 1:03

Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:07

I'm excited too. You have a very interesting background and story today. You are a multi dimensional psychic channel, an ascension teacher. You've given so many psychic readings to people before you came out of the closet, and now you're ready to share. And today, we're going to speak about something very specific, like the seven stages of spiritual alchemy. And I think that's going to be really helpful for people. But before we dive into the depth of that, I'd love to hear your story, because from what I understand, you are a psychic child who had paranormal experiencing, experiences happening to you, both positive but also frightening.

Jami Derro 1:51

Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. So I was very open, like a lot of children are when you're little, and so my psychic ability was really wide awake and online. But I was having, I would say more scary experiences than I would say positive experiences. Unfortunately, I think part of it was the house I was living in at the time in my childhood, I was attracting some spirits to me, I think because I was so open psychically. So I started to see more like shadow people in my room at night, feeling very threatened by all of this, and I really didn't understand what was happening. And so it was very frightening for me as a child. And I think, like a lot of children, instead of talking to a parent about it, we just kind of shut down and internalize it. And that's what I was doing. I was afraid to even talk about what I was experiencing. So I was seeing the shadow people. I was seeing spirit. I was having premonitions, and then I was having a lot of nightmares, so it was all kind of coming into my sleep state as well. Yeah. And so the only thing I was really expressing to my parents about what was happening to me was that I was having the nightmares, and, you know, then they would just kind of say, oh, you know, it's just a dream. Don't worry about it. So I really wasn't able to communicate with them about anything, and they didn't have any experience with this. You know, my mom was a devout Catholic, my dad was an atheist, so neither of them would have really, I think, understood what I was experiencing, and been able to kind of help me through it. So that was my experience that started happening from early childhood. And then

Jannecke Øinæs 3:45

may I jump in, because I get curious right there. So you spoke of shadow people, and then spirits. So what is the difference between spirits and shadow people?

Jami Derro 3:58

Oh, that's a great question. A lot of people have that question, and what really happens is we're just talking about different frequencies, different vibrational energies, and shadow people and earthbound spirits, what people would call ghosts. These are energies of consciousness that are really kind of within that fourth dimensional plane. So they exist in lower frequency astrals In the fourth dimensional plane. When a spirit fully transitions, okay, back to their soul essence, back to the higher dimensional states, they're more in the fifth dimensional state and beyond that, depending on what their soul work is after they depart the physical experience, and so they fully transitioned, they're going to come through, typically through the third eye chakra, or in some other way of communication, with the person that they're trying to connect with, but with the energies that are in the lower astral and the fourth. To mention, they can appear to a child who is psychically open as very physical in their space. So they're seeing them with their physical eyes, not so much the mind's eye as we would typically more connecting with fully transitioned spirits, our loved ones that have crossed over, our spirit guides, that type of thing. So it's really just a matter of their vibrational frequency, the spirit. And so the shadow people tend to be of a very low vibration, and a lot of times they're really connected to a particular location, a home, or the land or the property around there, and their energy has just kind of been stuck there for a very long time. And so when a psychic child or someone perceives them, it feels very frightening and negative, because they're picking up on that low vibration. It's typically a vibration of fear, anger, you know, that type of thing. And so the child will pick up on that? Does that make sense?

Jannecke Øinæs 6:01

Yeah, but then I get curious, why didn't your guardian angel be there and protect a little child?

Jami Derro 6:09

I know I think that there was a level of protection, but I also think that this was part of my spiritual agreement to go through this. So prior to my incarnation, you know, I had this whole design and blueprint coming in, and so I think that that was part of the experience that I as a soul intended to have, and it really taught me a lot. But one of the things that happened, and this was also part of my soul intention coming in, was to experience that type of energy, that experience and work through certain patterns that I had karmically coming in, things that I needed to work through from other lifetimes, around fear, around not feeling safe, okay, these types of patterns. So I had experiences that we evoke those feelings in me. So I started developing patterns in the conscious mind. So in my everyday life of feeling unsafe, feeling like I need to hide, you know, feeling that fear, and what it caused, you know, as a child is I became very afraid to be alone ever it was so frightening for me. And so when you feel that way, you develop coping mechanisms around that. So you become sort of a needy you know, I don't want to be alone. I have to be by my parents all the time, or my friends. And then you move into adolescence, and then it becomes, I need a boyfriend to be with me all the time. I have to be in a relationship all the time, I can't be alone, and you can see that would cause all sorts of unhealthy coping mechanisms within relationships. And so that is certainly what was happening for me. By the time I was in maybe like fifth grade, I shut down my ability to see the spirits that were around me, but I could still feel them. So I didn't get a lot of sleep. Every night I'd be laying there, and I could feel all this energy in the room with me, and I really just didn't understand it. So one of my the things that I really like to do is help people who have psychic children, because they need that guidance from the parent to help them navigate it, so they don't have to feel so alone and so afraid and not really understanding how to work with their own psychic abilities. So I kind of did a shutdown with that, and then in my adolescence, I started to find ways to numb that fear and anxiety and everything that was happening and got into some real self destructive behaviors through my teens and then into my 20s. And then what happened was when I was 28 so this is back in 1998 I had been in this struggle for so long, I had been in that state of fear and not feeling safe, and then trying to control my circumstances in life so that I could feel some kind of sense of security and all of that. And I had finished graduate school, I was working as a speech pathologist, so my career was going really well. I had my own place, but I the relationship area of life was really causing me the most struggle, and just dealing with all the emotional baggage from my childhood on and all the experiences I had had and so it all got to be too much, because you can only operate, you know, with that type of dysregulated nervous system for so long, and you can only try to control things in life for so long before you implode, you know, or something you know, hits you and you have some kind of a breakdown. And for me, I started to get really. Depressed, very depressed, and it all kind of came to a head one night, and I was alone in my apartment, and I was laying in my bed, getting ready to go to sleep, and I just had a moment of surrender. I said, I can't do this anymore. I just give up. I can't do this anymore. It's too much, and something in me just said, Show me the way that's that's all. And I went to sleep, and when I woke up the next day, I felt like a completely different person. And it was so weird, because all of the things that had been weighing on me, all the struggle, all the negative thoughts. All the depression was gone, and I realized right away something was different. I could feel this very strongly, and I sat with it for just a little bit, and then I called my boyfriend of several years and ended our relationship. I just was like nothing that used to feel right to me felt right to me anymore. And so I didn't really know. I didn't have the words for what had happened to me. I didn't really understand it, but all I knew is I had this immediate and strong desire to learn everything I could about spirituality and metaphysics. And so I went to the bookstore. I didn't have internet, you know, at the time, so I went to the bookstore. I got one spiritual book after the next, all the self development books, and I started reading them all. And I would go to work, I would come home be alone for the first time. I'd never been out of a relationship. I'd always been from relationship to relationship, because I couldn't be alone. So here, for the first time in my life, I was able to be alone with my own presence and feel safety. And so it was such a relief. But I started reading these books, and I started having all these epiphanies, one right after the other. I could see all my patterns going back to childhood, and I could never see them before. I just couldn't even acknowledge it or see the connection of it, or anything. And so all of a sudden, I was having this big awakening Just out of nowhere after that night. And then what happened is I started to focus on everything that was coming to me, and my psychic ability was opening up again, and I was getting all these sort of downloads of information, and everything was clicking. And it was like this accelerated path had started for me to awareness, and I started to realize how to shift things in my life, how to heal my emotional body, my physical body, my mental body, how to use the Law of Attraction, you know, all those things I started learning and practicing. And then my life just really started to reflect all those changes. And everything kind of went into hyper speed after that. And then I started to learn how to access the Akashic records, I started tapping into that. I found a local group, and we were practicing that ability. And everything just started to open up for me after that. And then the next real pivotal thing that happened for me. I was still working as a speech pathologist at this time, but I had started doing readings for teachers on my lunch break, and, you know, things like that. But I still wasn't ready to leave my day job. And, you know, delve into this, but I had a strong urge to do, I knew it was my purpose to get into some sort of spiritual teaching, helping other people, and sharing what I was remembering from my own soul, what I was learning, all of that. So then what happened was I didn't understand still, you know, that whole experience, that awakening experience, I didn't really understand what it was until later, once my psychic ability started opening back up and kicking back in, I started getting more information about all that. And so at one point, I had a friend who was getting certified to do past life regressions, and I offered to be one of her practice clients. And during the past life regression, I saw a lifetime in ancient Egypt, and I was in a male body, but I wasn't born into the body of a baby. I wasn't born through a woman. In that lifetime. I'd actually materialized an adult male body there, which you know, as I'm seeing this I'm not understanding it at the time, and I'm seeing my this male person doing these sort of experiments with matter, with materializing objects, with different sort of holographic healing modalities, things like this. And there were a group of people, and this was one of the mystery schools from ancient Egyptian times that this was happening. And.

Jami Derro 15:00

Started to hear the word serious, and I didn't know what it meant. And I thought maybe that was the name of that incarnation, that person in that lifetime, or whatever I really didn't know. And so after that, I came home, and then every time I would meditate, and also in my dreams and just in, just in my psychic awareness, I kept hearing that word serious. I didn't even think to google it, because I thought, Well, maybe it's one of my guides I haven't met yet, or something. So I just kept writing it down. And then it was like a couple years later, after all of this, I have a new neighbor move in across the street, and her grandmother had the mother of the woman across the street had come to stay with her and her family, and she was from another country on the other side of the world. And turns out she's a healer, an energy healer, and so I went over to meet her, and she the grandmother, she says to me, I know you from another lifetime. And I thought, okay, and we got talking about lots of different things, and we didn't really get into all the details of it. And she said, You know, I'm going to be going to India, but when I come back, I'd like to do a session with you and do some healing work and all that. So I said, Great, and she left. And then I, after she was gone, I got this really intense medical condition happened to me, and I finally decided to go to the doctor. I hadn't been to a doctor in a long time, because I tend to do my own energy healing work on myself. But it was so persistent that I ended up going to the doctor. Nothing was helping me. So I decided that I was going to Skype with the grandmother she was back in her country, and when I got her Skype address, it had the word serious in it. And so when I contacted her, I said, What does this mean? I've been hearing this word for so long. And she said, Well, that's where your soul is from, and that's where my soul is from. And when I told you I knew you from this other lifetime, that's how I knew you. So that was my first introduction to the idea of star seed souls, and that we can be. Our souls can be from some other galaxies, some other star system. I had no awareness of that. Once the universe coordinated all of that, bringing this woman from across the world to across the street from me, so that I could finally get the meaning of that word serious. Once I had that piece, it was like again, the door opened again for me, and the next stage of my path revealed itself to me. So I started then seeing different sacred geometry shapes. And the first one that was coming through was the Merkaba. And again, I was seeing the shapes, and then I had to Google and try to figure out what is this. And then I received the word Merkava. So I knew it was the Merkava. And then I met a being who I thought was a spirit guide for me, and he said his name was Elijah, and but when he introduced himself to me, he said, I am a future version of you. So we are of the same soul. I am visiting you from a future timeline, is what he said. And so I started to work with him, and he started to show me how to use the Merkaba to do astral projection to connect with him in the six dimensional vibration of Sirius. And he started to show me what was available there. And he showed me that Sirius, the star Sirius, is really a gateway that many star seed souls will come through when they incarnate here on Earth. But also it's a hub. It's a meeting place. So there's lots of palladians that will be there, all different councils meeting intergalactic councils, beings from Arcturus Andromeda everywhere. It's sort of a central gathering hub for all of them. And so when I would do astral projection there, I would see all that I'd be shown around. I was shown this holographic healing modality that they said that we could start to use. I was in a process of merging my consciousness with Elijah's consciousness, as if this was my higher self I was reconnecting to. So then I was getting more and more downloads of information from this process, and that's when all the information about alchemy came to me and the seven stages of spiritual alchemy and how it's really sort of a guide or roadmap for us when we awaken and we want to transform our. Lives, and we want to then go through the process of reconnecting to our own higher consciousness through the super conscious mind and merging with everybody. Could do this merging process with their higher consciousness and bring all their gifts and abilities, their soul skill sets, everything back online and really activate their soul memories so they can live the purpose that they came here to live. And so that's what I really focus on helping other people do when I work with them.

Jannecke Øinæs 20:33

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Jami Derro 22:39

But for, oh, I forgot to tell you, and I want to say this because I feel like this is interesting and important. So after I got to the point where I met Elijah, he took me back to that lifetime in Egypt, and he told me that he is an immortal soul. He is an Ascended Master, ascended being. And just like Melchizedek or Thoth, they are time travelers. So these are basically highly evolved souls who've gone through the ascension process, and they can pop in and out of different timelines, what we would consider to be history, but they're the founders of the information that has been passed through the different Mystery Schools, like the ancient Egyptian Mystery School, the Essenes, the Kabbalistic traditions, all of that, and through the alchemy movement and everything in the Middle Ages, all of that was based on This thread of information coming from these ascended beings. Some people might consider them ETS or whatever, but they're higher dimensional beings that have this ability to move in and out of different timelines. So I call them timeline masters. And a lot of star seeds that are incarnated now have that skill set that they can learn how to use but when I was reconnecting with Elijah and getting all this information from him, he said, back in 1998 when you had that experience, it wasn't just an awakening, he said, it was a what some people refer to as a soul walk In. He said, The the soul that agreed to incarnate into childhood. You know, starting from a baby and up was not something that Elijah needed to be a part of. Elijah was going to take me from my spiritual awakening on, okay, on that path. So there was another aspect of soul that wanted to go through the experiences that I was going to have in my childhood, in adolescence, up until my awakening point, and that was for whatever evolution of that soul aspect that it wanted to experience. And so when I got through all of that, there was. A Destiny point for me, that I was going to have this awakening, and it was going to be the Soul Shift, and then Elijah was going to come in and work with me as a higher aspect of my soul. And I was told that, had I not surrendered that night and allowed for this, had I not gotten to a point where I was open enough in the moment to let this happen that there would have been something else. It could have been a near death experience. It could have been a severe illness. It could have been something else, but it was going to get more severe, just like when I was trying to understand what the word serious meant, I manifested a medical condition. As soon as I Skyped with her and got that information, it was gone. It was gone that day. So I, you know, I like to learn through my own experience, and sometimes I wish I would learn it quicker, because otherwise I'm going to manifest something that's going to cause me to learn it, and it might not be as comfortable. So, yeah, so those things I experienced growing up were all part of the intention of that soul that I was working with then. So I wanted to just, I forgot to tell that part of it, but I think it's important. And then you, I forgot what the question was that you asked me,

Jannecke Øinæs 26:19

yeah, I'm just super curious how life is another

Jami Derro 26:24

serious you were asking about Sirius. I did not see my lifetime on Sirius. I didn't I haven't had any visions of that. I actually don't know how much time I spent there or anything. But when I visit there, it's really for working purposes. So I'm I'm being shown what I need to see, that type of thing.

Jannecke Øinæs 26:51

Oh, serious. Shown something about Sirius. You working there? You said,

Jami Derro 26:56

yeah, when I started doing astral projection, which was taught to me by Elijah, who is a being from Sirius. He was giving me a tour of what it's like there. And that's when I was saying it's like this hub, this meeting place. Now what will happen is this is all energetic, and your mind creates the vision or the mental construct, so the environment. So when I go there, everything's very white, but someone else might tap into that same energy of consciousness and see something different. But when I go there, and I work with Elijah, and I see the other beings that are there, and the things that they show me, it's sort of a white space that I'm in and I'm being shown the things that are important for me to know and for me to then teach to others that I'm working with.

Jannecke Øinæs 27:55

I mean, when we speak about aliens and extraterrestrials, we often think of that it's them and it's us humans, but I've come to feel like but we're really talking about ourselves, aren't we, on another level. I mean, it seems like many of us, like yourself, are star people who are multi dimensional. So it's really not them and us, it's really ourselves. Yeah, we're speaking about, isn't it?

Jami Derro 28:22

Yeah, yeah. And so when we connect with, and this is something mostly for Star seeds, but I think really anybody, when you move through the stages of alchemy, you'll get to a point where that reconnection happens, and the reconnection is with your higher self, but it's your multi dimensional higher self. So there isn't just one higher self. And then us here in the physical you have aspects of your soul in the fifth dimension, the sixth dimension, the seventh DIMENSION AND BEYOND. And so as you move through your ascension path, which is really the path of alchemy, you start to access higher and higher levels of your own soul, and when you connect with those aspects of higher self, they might come to you as a Pleiadian being or an androbotan being or light being or an angelic being, but it's really all aspects of your sort of over soul consciousness, if That makes sense?

Jannecke Øinæs 29:21

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. The pieces are coming together. And then I get more questions.

Jami Derro 29:26

I know there's always more to know. That's the thing too. Is a lot of people, when they you know, if we want to talk about the seven stages of spiritual alchemy, the first stage is the awakening, that that's just something. It's like the moment where you say, Okay, I give up. Show me the way, right? I what I'm doing isn't working. I'm not satisfied in life. Maybe I've been struggling for a long time. Maybe I had an illness. I had a depression, a divorce, something happened that made someone question, a. Um, what they want to do with their lives. You know, where to go from here, and that's the first stage. Is sort of this breaking down of our plan for ourselves, what we thought, you know, we needed to force to happen in our lives, that kind of a thing. And then we move into the second stage, which is sort of a where we start to rebuild, and we start to look at the emotions that we're having that have kind of been the subconscious things just causing us to react to life in the ways you know, that maybe aren't the best for us. We start to look at our coping mechanisms, if we have any addictions or any ways of escaping, you know what we need to be facing that will come up in that second stage, and then when we get to the third stage, that's where we really do a lot of work. That's transformational. It's a big stage of transition for people. So this is when they start to have a lot of those aha moments, where they start to see patterns of experiences that they've attracted over and over that they never could identify before. So this is where someone might say, Why am I always getting cheated on on all my relationships? You know? Why am I always having this conflict with my co workers? And they'll start to trace it all the way back to childhood and say, Oh, I see, I've had this pattern going, and then they start to shift it so they can really get back to who they are authentically. So this is a lot of times where people will leave jobs, they'll leave relationships because they realize they're no longer resonant with them. They're becoming a new person. And that's the part that will then lead to they want to learn everything they can about spirituality, about law of attraction. In that third stage, a lot of people will become energy healers. They'll take Reiki classes, quantum healing classes, things like that, and they start to then be able to work with their limiting belief structures that they came in with, or that they evolved through their experiences that they've had. And they'll start to kind of open that structure up a little bit so that they can start to have new experiences. So they let go of anything that really isn't serving them anymore, whether it's emotional or mental or even physical. And then when they do enough of that work on the conscious mind level of changing their belief systems and their thoughts, they move into the fourth stage of spiritual alchemy, which is the reconnection stage. So that's really powerful. We go deeper. Now we're working with the subconscious mind, and this is really this path that I'm talking about in these seven stages. Any soul that's here to go through the ascension process will go through these seven stages. How long it takes to get through a stage really only depends on how willing the person is to be honest with themselves, to focus on their own healing, and really taking time to tune in and do their inner work. So that's, that's what will make a difference in how quickly you move through these stages. But we all tend to, we're kind of tending to go through them in this sort of a linear way, but there's quantum leaps along the way in there. But some of the souls that are incarnating now, that are coming from very high vibrational star systems, they're not coming in with the same type of deprogramming that needs to happen for a lot of us, a lot of souls, star seed, souls, who have had many lifetimes here on earth will have more deprogramming to do during the first few stages of spiritual alchemy, and they're really working with the first three chakras and letting go of the limiting beliefs that are stored there based on their karmic experiences, anything that's in their soul blueprint that's related to other lifetimes or experiences in this lifetime that are really limiting them and keeping them focused more on the physical world and being able to move in more into the spiritual realms to work there, that's what they have to deprogram some of these other souls that are coming in. They're not going to follow this same path of ascension. They're coming in being the guiding light for others. So they've already been through the ascension process, and they're not a lot of these souls might be incarnating on earth for the first time, so they don't have a lot of that karmic baggage that they need to detach from first but in general, I would say most of us go through these seven stages, and in the fourth stage of reconnection, that's a really pivotal stage where we start to work with the heart chakra. And the heart chakra is the bridge between the lower three chakras and the spiritual chakras, so the earth based chakras, and then the A. Higher dimensional realms of spirit. And so when we do work with the heart chakra, we do forgiveness work. We work on self love. We work with anything coming up from the subconscious or other lifetimes. We start to release all that. What happens is we get to this sort of pivotal point where we open the heart higher gateway. And when I when I had the experience of connecting with Elijah and being shown the Merkaba, this is what was happening. So I was using the Merkaba as my light body vehicle to move through the heart chakra gateway into the higher dimensional states. So that's something that some people might be drawn to. If someone starts to see the Merkaba, that's kind of a sign if you start to notice it everywhere, or you're getting it in your visions or your dreams, that could be a sign that you're ready to do this. And so that is this heart chakra is a literal bridge into higher dimensional states. So you first work with the conscious mind, then the subconscious mind, and once you open that chakra, now you have access to the super conscious mind. And then we're talking the fifth dimensional frequency and up from there. So that's when people will do this reconnection with the higher self, they'll start to meet more of their star guides. So if they're pladian, they're probably going to have Pleiadian guides come in, or Arcturian guides for an Arcturus star seed. And what will happen is they're going to make the shift from what they were doing in the third stage of alchemy, which is reading all the books, taking all the classes, learning from all the people to this now they've reconnected with their star family, their higher self. They're going to start to learn directly from their guides, and it's going to be very focused on what their purpose is here as Star seeds and light workers. So that's a shift that is really powerful in that fourth stage. But also what happens is people will find that they start having more synchronicities during that stage, they are their psychic abilities will come online more. Some people will start to channel. They'll have access to a new level of awareness that they didn't have before. Then you move into the fifth stage, which is a stage of rebirth, and this is it. You had said something that made me think of this, which is a lot of times when I work with clients and they're in that third stage, they may be have they maybe have been studying spirituality and metaphysics for so long and taken all these courses and trainings and things like that, and they feel like I think I know everything there is to know about metaphysics and spirituality at this point, right? But then, if they keep on, and they get to this point between the fourth and fifth stage, they realize, Oh, I didn't even scratch the surface of what there is to know. I didn't know what I didn't know, and there's so much more. And for a lot of people, what I'll see is, is they enter that fifth stage. They feel it's like the ground fell out from under them, because everything they thought they knew, really, you know, doesn't apply anymore, because now they're operating within these higher dimensional states of consciousness. So now there's different rules, there's different things to know, and they feel like, oh, the things I was doing before aren't working for me. Now. I don't. It's like this. It is a rebirth. It's it's leaving the old you and moving into the new you, and now it's a new place to start. So that's the rebirth process. That's typically when I will see people really get going with their sole purpose and starting their sacred business, or their healing business, or whatever, in that fifth stage, and really getting locked into their purpose for being here. And then the sixth grade. The sixth stage is more integration of that. It's the embodying of the higher levels of consciousness of soul pulled into the physical body. And then the seventh stage is the mastery. So when you're in the seventh stage, you're pretty much operating in life like an Ascended Master would you've embodied your soul essence. You're doing things like bilocating, instantaneous healing, instantaneous materialization of objects. This is why Elijah was able to materialize a body into that ancient Egyptian lifetime,

Jami Derro 39:28

but those are the things that are available. Not everybody came here to move through all seven stages, but and some people might, but they get caught up along the way in life, and don't focus on it anymore. Something happens to derail them. So it's really kind of this is where our free will choice comes in on what we do with this information. You know,

Jannecke Øinæs 39:54

interesting. How can we know where we are

Jami Derro 39:58

in the stages? Yes. Okay, so this is one thing. When I do soul readings for people, I tune into that for them and tell them. But really, you can gage for yourself. First of all, you can just simply ask the question of your higher self, you know, what's what stage Am I in? And I do want to, I do want to say, I don't want people to think of this as I'm at this level, and maybe this person is at this level and kind of in a hierarchy. Really. The reason that I share this information is to help people understand why they're experiencing what they're experiencing, and what is best for them to focus on during that stage for their maximum benefit, and then what they can expect that's coming next. So that's the reason I like to share that information. But you can ask and tune in. But I would say, if you're someone who's still, most people that would be listening to your show are probably in the third stage or fourth stage, I would say, or fifth stage. I wouldn't, you probably wouldn't be getting a lot of people in the first or second stage, because that's when you're when you're in the first and second stage. You're just focused on changing your your daily life, like you just want to be more secure or have more of a stable life, or whatever you're you're working with, shifting the things that were causing you all the problems before, and then you start to focus on the spiritual stuff. So if someone is feeling that intense need to learn, listen to podcasts, read books, all that kind of stuff to gain all the knowledge they can, they're probably still in that third stage. If they're still really working on identifying their their thoughts, their their belief patterns and things like that. They're probably in the third stage. If they're in the fourth stage, they're going to notice things coming up around self love, needing to forgive themselves and others in a very deep way, and being able to see the spiritual agreements that they had with other people. So saying, you know, this person did something to you in your lifetime that you felt was unforgivable. Can you get to the point where you can see that you had a spiritual agreement with that person, they played a role for you, for your soul's evolution, and can you say thank you? Okay, if you're at that point where you realize that's what you need to do, you're probably in that fourth stage, and then the fifth stage, I think people, by the time they're getting into the fifth stage, they're going to know, they'll know where they're going to be tuned in, you know, to their higher self, they'll be able to know exactly What they need to focus on at that point. And this is what I think you know, with all the changes that we're experiencing, with the big shift in the world and consciousness and everything that's going to be coming down the road, that's why I feel like this is so important for people to a understand their soul blueprint, why they're here, what they came here to do and what needs to be released that no longer serves them, and then to be able to understand how to do that reconnection process. Because when we're moving into all these changes that are coming, it's super important that everybody understands that they have the ability to connect in receive guidance through their intuition in whatever way that they're open to, so that they'll be at the right place at the right time. They'll know what choices are going to be the ones that are going to benefit them the most. They don't have to get that from an outside source or go get it from, you know, someone else, but they'll be able to tune in, and they'll just naturally go with the flow. They'll be safe, you know? They'll know what they need to know. They'll be guided. And I think we all need to get to that point so so that we can feel more comfortable with the changes that are coming, and we'll have awareness around it. Does that make sense?

Jannecke Øinæs 44:02

Yeah, I mean the whole ascension path or stages, I wouldn't say model, but yeah, the stages makes real sense to me. And it's interesting, because I have had a path in my mind, like a spiritual path, with different faces that I sort of came up with, because that made sense in my journey, and it's quite similar. That's what struck me.

Jami Derro 44:29

This is what this is why, because you were connected into the Essenes, that Mystery School of the Essenes. That's the same lineage of information coming from ancient Egypt, coming from Eliza, Elijah, Melchizedek, Thoth, all that information is the same. It's being passed down, and then it's brought to the next Mystery School, and then passed down. And so if you have a connection to any of those mystery schools, you're going to have access to the same. Information that I do

Jannecke Øinæs 45:02

that's interesting. Yeah, wow. I thought, in a way, I just made it up. It just made sense to me. But then again, I have the habit of not sort of taking in that it's coming to me intuitively, right? It's more like using my intellectual mind that this makes sense.

Jami Derro 45:19

Yeah, you're not acknowledging, yeah, that. You know that happens a lot with people when they're using clear cognizance, so clear thought is coming to them, so they might get downloads of information. And typically, they think it's just my own mind, it's my own thoughts. It's something that came to me, but they don't see it as actual guidance, actual soul knowledge coming in, until they get it validated by someone else, and then they say, oh, okay, maybe that was a download, and it wasn't just me being really smart.

Jannecke Øinæs 45:56

Super interesting. Could you speak more to how we actually do the work? Where do we start? If we're like, okay, I might been in this phase. I might be in that phase, and we, a lot of us, might be a bit impatient to sort of expand even more. What is like your advice to that next step we can take to sort of accelerate the process.

Jami Derro 46:23

Okay, so years ago, when this information was coming through, Elijah said, create a step by step course for this. And at the time, I wasn't used to making videos or anything, but I decided, Okay, I'm going to put this out there. So I created a whole alchemy course that's very pragmatic and very easy to interact with, and it's evolved. You know, I've done many iterations of it over the years, but I have one available now, but, but it's great for people who are asking the question that you just asked, because each module, and there's like, I don't know, 12 or something, videos, but there's worksheets, there's attunement meditations for each level, each chakra, but it goes through every single stage in detail, what You can expect all of that. But then there's also worksheets that are limiting belief worksheets for each module as well. So we work through all the seven chakras, and they help you really identify what belief structures do I need to deconstruct that I'm holding at each chakra. And so the first stage is always awareness and identification of those things. What do I need to detach from in order to reconnect? Basically, so the worksheets will walk through. So now, if someone doesn't want to take the course, they want to do this, do an inventory of your beliefs. What do you believe about money. What do you believe about relationships? What do you believe about love? What do you believe about reality? Can you make the shift, which is something that also happens in that third stage from I'm the victim of circumstances, I'm the victim of the government, the economy, whatever's illness is going around, I'm the victim or I'm the creator of my reality, that's a shift that has to happen if you want to move from the third stage to the fourth stage. So we do this spiritual alchemizing, but we also have to alchemize in the different life areas. We have to alchemize our beliefs about money, about health, all of that we have to pull through the seven stages. So we do it on a macro scale and a micro scale. We do it for ourselves spiritually, but that we have to do it for every limiting belief pattern to get from the old pattern to the new pattern. So someone needs to start with identifying and then talking themselves into a more empowered belief system around that thing. So that's the work of alchemy, meditating, quieting the mind, doing practices that get you tuned in is also very important, making sure you have time in nature. All those things really benefit the alchemy process and being willing to take, then action that is needed to be taken. So if you are working on self love, and you are still in an abusive relationship, and you're not willing to leave that relationship, you're willing to continue to be abused. You're not embodying self love, you're not respecting yourself enough. That has to shift. If you shift that, then the next move has to be the physical action in the world, which would be moving out of that situation, because it no longer is serving you. If. You've already made the connection for yourself, right? That that's not self loving. So, so really, with the alchemy, course, it's very cyst systematic. It's very laid out in a way that's very targeted and focused, and it really guides people like a roadmap through the process of how to transmute all those and how to move into then the next stage,

Jannecke Øinæs 50:26

that makes sense. And finally, since you are a psychic, what do you see coming in the next few years? Do you get information about that?

Jami Derro 50:37

I get a lot of premonitions. And I get a lot of information when I'm connected to the consciousness of Elijah, because he knows all this like but I'm connected in so when I channel, I'm a conscious channel, so I'm tuned into the same frequency, and so I can get information there's not that I have access to all information, because I get what's important for me to know or for me to share. Okay, so that's that's important to say, but I do get heads up about things, but I haven't seen the whole picture yet. And again, I think it's the key is to be each of us focused on tuning in for ourselves, opening our intuition, doing our alchemy, so that we will get the information we need to know when it's time to know it. I did get prior to all the events in the shutdown in 2020, a few months before that, maybe six months before that all happened, I was channeling a message in front of a group in person, and the message came through that there was going to be this big global event. Everything was going to be shut down, no flying, all this stuff was going to happen. People were going to be panicking and freaking out. But the message to the group was the reason we're telling you this is so that you can maintain your neutrality and your balance through this, maintain your alignment, stay tuned in, because that's what's going to help you navigate this. And it did everyone in that group who was tuned into that balance and their own, you know, heart and all that kind of sailed through that whole time, you know, and other people really struggled, and it was hard for a lot of people in many different ways. And then some people really thrived during that time. But it's all based on, you know, being able to maintain your inner balance despite what's going out in the outer world. And that's really the advice from Elijah and if I work with Melchizedek or the Elohim or the palladians or whomever, it's always the same. Don't focus on predicting what's going to happen, knowing how to time what's going to happen, focus on the inner attunement, inner balance. You will get the answers you need when you need them that are important for you.

Jannecke Øinæs 53:12

So there's nothing we should stay prepared for. For 2026

Jami Derro 53:19

Not that I'd like to share. I would say, you know, I think in general, it's good for us to find as many ways you know, that we can be self sufficient, that we can have sort like I have a well at my house now, so I know if something were to happen to the water supply, you know, I'm going to have water access. Not everybody has that. But, you know, just certain things like that. Think about how you want to live. Think about, you know, I think a lot of people are coming more into smaller communities, more local connections. There's, you know, community gardens, things like that. I think that's always good, because I know I've been getting the message for so many years that we're going to start getting back to more of that living more like indigenous people did. In a lot of ways. I don't think that means that we have to give up all of our modern comforts or anything like that. But how can we start to get back to nature, get back to sort of the real important things for us and and really getting into that sort of symbiotic relationship with the earth. And you know, as much as we can do that for ourselves, I think is is positive too.

Jannecke Øinæs 54:42

Thank you so much. This has been super interesting. Thank you for coming on the show, and I would love Sure, and I would love to hear where people can connect with you, if if they want to have a reading, if they want to learn more, we just learned about your course. Are you offering something else?

Jami Derro 54:57

Yeah, I have several things every. Thing is on my website, which is soulaligning.com it's A L, I, G, N, I N, G, soulaligning.com I have my one to one sessions. I have my alchemy course on there. I started to I started a training course for teaching people how to do the soul blueprint readings. And so I'll be opening that up again soon. I have I offer holographic blueprint healing sessions, which is based on what Elijah showed me from the six dimensional healing method that they have there, that they use at serious on serious. So all that's available there, so that's how they can find me.

Jannecke Øinæs 55:43

And I had the session with you myself, and it was so enlightening. I had to listen to it several times, and I think I have to listen to it again, because it has so many levels. So that was really fascinating. And over to something we we have touched upon. This is a question I ask all my guests at the end. So what is self love to you?

Jami Derro 56:07

Self love to me is getting to that place of really knowing who you are before life got to you and changed you through experiences. Who are you authentically as a soul, and getting back to that place of knowing who you are, to me, that self love

Jannecke Øinæs 56:26

and what is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective?

Jami Derro 56:29

Oh, because it's really kind of different for everyone. I think everyone has their own meaning in life. I would say for me, it's about remembering and embodying the soul while you're here, and every thing that you're doing here is contributing to the expansion and evolution of your soul. So to me, that's the meaning.

Jannecke Øinæs 56:54

Thank you so much for coming to the show and doing your amazing work for humanity,

Jami Derro 56:59

and thank you for what you do, too, and thanks for having me. I appreciate it.