Embracing Soul Sovereignty: The Archangel Michael’s Message for Humanity! With Robert Theiss

Robert Theiss 0:00

You just keep reincarnating, knowing, knowing there must be a better way. You do not give up for most of those that others are channeling for they've never tasted the human experience. Why it scares the shit out of them. When was the last time as a woman that it was actually safe on this planet to be you without having to think about, well, maybe I should do this or that to make sure I'm safe. When was the last time for any men listening to or watching this broadcast, if you were sensitive that it was okay to be different from other men, and here we're speaking of all those beautiful gay men who had the courage to allow themselves to express themselves outside the norm of the polarity between men and women. And enough of you have woken up to realize you don't need to participate in these games any longer. We are not here in Croatian to be babysitters to those that would enjoy, intimidating, hurting other people. Oh, you've heard it. It looks to us that within the next 10 to 15 years, there'll be a split on this planet, or as if be as if nothing happened, except suddenly all is well,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:27

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Robert Theiss 1:46

Thank you for having me. It's an honor.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:48

You are channeling the Archangel Michael that we know very well of. You're also the author of three books, and one of them is called living inside your passion, which I'm curious to hear more about. You are an artist and you are a healer, and you're communicating a beautiful teaching about how we can let the soul end. So we're going to dive into that today, and perhaps we'll also meet Michael. Now. I'm curious to hear how did he appear in your life? Have he? And I'm saying he, but I'm not sure, even if it's a he or not energy, you know what, what you call it. But has that angel always been with you from the get go, or did the energy sort of come into your life at a certain point, maybe in a spiritual awakening, perhaps?

Robert Theiss 2:40

Well, I've always felt Michael's presence, even as a child, and I just assumed everybody was feeling the presence of their soul too. So when I learned to talk, then I became uncomfortably aware that most people on this planet are completely disconnected from their soul. So like a lot of people, I'm probably talking to a lot of the people watching this interview, we shut down because it was painful to realize that our truth was not the truth of even our parents, but for most of the people that we were living alongside of. So it didn't happen for me until I was a teenager that I started to really go deep into well, who is this energy that I just assume is natural, but everyone talks about it like it's mysterious, or like it's something unusual, so probably like you. I read a lot of different books, a lot of channeling books, and the one that really spoke to my heart was from Jane Roberts, how to create your own reality. That just fascinated me. That was like, Finally, someone that I can talk to, at least in a book. But it wasn't until I started working with this energy in a way that I would label as healing, and chose to use Reiki as a format to share that kind of healing energy that I then heard the word Michael, because when I started teaching the Reiki, his presence multiplied 1020, times what I normally carried with me, and it was a little overwhelming. You know, no one taught me how to channel, and no one told me that is channeling again. I just assumed that a lot of people experienced this too. So one day, he was very present, and I just spoke out loud, who the hell are you? Who is this name yourself? And so he said, I am Michael. And I didn't know, you know, my parents were Christians, so they didn't really bring up the name Michael in their understanding of the Bible and sharing that with me. So I hadn't a clue who Michael was. And I got really curious. I hired a couple. Really good psychics paid him a lot of money for both of them to laugh and say, you've got Archangel Michael in your life, deal with it. And I kept asking them, why? Why me? I mean, surely he can see I'm not really qualified to represent him. I'm not religious. I'm kind of spiritual, and I tell a lot of really bad jokes. I mean, what's the deal here? So Michael just said, if that I'm open to it, he'd like to co teach with me, starting with Reiki, but we'd go deeper than that. So over, over the well, for five years, we taught Reiki and taught over 1000 people what it means to be in your energy. But by teaching it to what wasn't taught in the traditional form of Reiki was this whole thing of being unplugged. And so mainly, the main course of the teaching for us, with Michael, was teaching people how to unplug themselves from each other, and that wasn't comfortable for a lot of people, so it took a while for me to be open to hear him talk about, well, I don't know how much time you have here and how deep you want to go into the story, but I'll make it short. So the reason we're plugged into each other and not relying on our own energy, is our reaction to as individuated parts of the original self when it set itself free. Over time, we went from feeling the innocence and purity of being that too, but as individuated parts of that with our name on it, we started to perceive that perhaps the original self didn't come with us when it set itself free. Maybe it stayed in our original home called the kingdom, and that perception spread like wildfire. Most of creation bought into that perception of being true, real. So if that's the case, then what do we use energetically to support ourselves? And initially, we just played with sharing, blending and taking energies from each other. But that was just the beginning. It then grew into needing each other, kind of a codependent relationship with each other as non physical beings, that then created what are called spiritual families, where we resonated with those that perceived reality similar to each other. There was 144,000 of those families that existed. The biggest, of course, being the family of Michael. He has to sneak that in here. And so from that, we discovered that it felt safe being individuated parts of the original self, as long as we had each other to share our presence with but more than that, to take their energy to make us feel more than what we felt about ourselves. And that was an okay situation. A lot of beings felt that's normal, until we realized that the whole point of this was to embrace our sovereignty as being normal, that it was our sovereignty that was the gift. It wasn't codependency. It was our sovereignty that was the gift. And so in needing to have more support for ourself, again, in the non physical realms, a lot of what is not shared with most of humanity is we've been involved with a lot of battles, battles not to occupy planets or star systems, but each other's energy, because we needed each other's energy to support ourselves. And those battles then became so severe, so intense, that we noticed that the energy within all of creation outside the kingdom was starting to slow down, and that raised a red flag that got everybody's attention. We even contemplated that just maybe, perhaps creation itself was at risk if our own energies were slowing down, so slow that nothing was manifesting as it once did. So what did we do? Well, we were so smart to create Earth. Earth was the place that we would come to bring our galactic or cosmic story with us, play out those battles here to find a solution to why the energy has almost stopped. And over all this time, through Lemuria, Atlantis and this version of earth, there have been only in less than 13. 1000 human beings that have discovered why the earth was slow, or why the energy was slowing down as it was. If we weren't owning the sovereignty of our own energy, we weren't owning the natural state of who we are. We weren't owning that we are facets of the original self, in my case, called Robert, and once they did own that as a human being, well, we ascended. We ascended from the parameters of our cosmic story connected to this earth, and those that ascended moved into other realms, realms that they then created for themselves that do not abide by the same cosmic story that all of us brought with us. So let me pause here for a second. Thank you, Robert, that was a good start. Good introduction. Thank you for letting me be. Here it is I, Archangel Michael, in service to all of you and in service to your trust in what is happening now, actually is something to celebrate, even though it might look and is painful to watch battles as an archangel.

Robert Theiss 11:23

I have the pleasure or the discomfort, depending on how you want to look at it. Have knowing these same characters that are initiating the very battles that you're witnessing on your news today. These are the same characters initiating the same battles in the stars before you came here as a human being, and many of you were playing the same parts you played in the stars as if this is all happening to you, but it is not, and enough of you have woken up to realize you don't need to participate in these games any longer. You don't need to play the power games in order to survive, there's another place for you to be that allows you to be free of all the distractions, all the energies that are uncomfortable and distasteful to all of you. It allows you to just be you. But when was the last time jannecke As a woman that it was actually safe on this planet to be you without having to think about, well, maybe I should do this or that to make sure I'm safe. When was the last time for any men listening to or watching this broadcast, if you were sensitive that it was okay to be different from other men, and here we're speaking of all those beautiful gay men who had the courage to allow themselves to express themselves outside the norm of the polarity between men and women. So these games are being played here on this planet right now. They're not new to me, and I'm just as tired as the rest of you of having to clean up the mess after all the power games are played just to get back to what was okay before they started to play another game. So in a way, what you're seeing here is a division between human beings that know in the heart that all is well, and other human beings that know in their mind that all is not well. And there has been great energies and effort on all of your parts to trying to find a solution that the two of you could dance together, and how is that going? Pretty impossible dance, we would agree. So what's the solution to those that know in your heart that all is well, is to collectively elevate from this version of Earth. You've heard this from a number of people on this show, to another version of earth that will allow you to play, knowing that all is well, without having to think that maybe somebody will drop a bomb in your backyard. And that is what's happening right now. That's the celebration part of what is happening right now, because that ensures that not only do all of you have a future that you can look forward to, but that ensures all of creation, my God, those that came to earth, they discovered a solution to our cosmic story. But of course, in that story, you have the same characters playing the same power games, feeding one other beings, energies, trying to make themselves look bigger than what they really are. So let's stop there, because I know you've got some questions.

Jannecke Øinæs 14:58

Wow. Now. That was a different perspective of Earth's story and origin than I've come across before. I get tons of questions, because there's, there was a lot here, but what I found was sort of interesting, was that Michael was saying that he is tired, and I'm wondering, Is that sort of a figure of speech, because how can an Archangel of that multitude and that high level of consciousness be tired?

Robert Theiss 15:31

Well, because I have better things to do than cleaning up other beings mess right? It's not that I'm physically tired. It's not that my energy is waning. I too, like you, would rather be involved with creation, creating, not fighting, not blaming, not playing the oppressor or the victim. Those roles that all beings have played are very old when there is a possibility for something new. What most of you have forgotten is that your true self is innocent of everything. You have never done anything not to receive the love for yourself. Your true and natural self is innocent. It It is pure in how many human beings can raise their hand and say, Yes, Michael, I feel that to be me too. That's how far or how deep this game all beings have been playing of extracting energies from each other, thinking that's how you would support yourself, but what were they going to do with that energy? Well, here's the other part to try to get back home, to try to get back to the homogenized version of the original self. Well, good luck, because that's not what the original self created for itself. It set itself free, without any agenda or any conditions, complete and total freedom for all of us to be as we choose to be. What a gift. And then it became a burden. Then it became, oh, please do this for me, God or who is this being called God that I have yet to ever meet that's supposed to be an external version of you, interesting game being played on all of you. So allowing the original self to be you too, with your name on it requires of you and asks of you to go inside, because that's where you'll meet her. That's where you'll meet her.

Jannecke Øinæs 17:51

Do you mean that I'll meet my soul inside and that we're supposed to extract energy from our soul and not each other? Is that what you're meaning?

Robert Theiss 18:01

Well, then let's go back a little bit. So there was original self setting itself free. And those original beings, or countless numbers of beings, we view them as being an oversoul. And some of those over souls, including Mikhail, decided with complete freedom to do whatever he wanted to do, to set parts of himself free too, with the same deal, no condition, no parameters, complete freedom, no agendas, that created a soul being, and that is what all of You are representing, a soul being that came to this earth from where we would suggest that you didn't come from some minimal realm. Each of you are the leaders. Each of you are at the front edge, the leading edge of the spiritual families that you left behind. Each of you human beings represent the best that creation has to offer. You are the best now these other beings that like coming here, channeled through very innocent channelers and try to represent themselves as being higher than you, more evolved than you. Well, my answer to them is take a physical body and prove it. Prove It, because look at these human beings. Look what you have gone through and look what you're able to continue going through. You just keep reincarnating, knowing, knowing there must be a better way. You do not give up those. That for most of those that others are channeling for they've never tasted the human experience. Why it scares the shit out of them. They don't want anything to do with it. They think, like you've discovered, they might lose their identity, as a lot of you have lost your identity to this galactic, cosmic story that densified the energy on this planet, that created the same separation that you were experiencing in the stars duplicated now here on earth, not because you're being punished, not because you don't deserve love, but because you are the best that creation has to offer, and you wanted to see if you could duplicate the same scenario, the same reality on earth that exists in the stars, that close up and then very personal way, you could find a solution in service to all those that you left behind. There is no being. You've heard this from another one that's been on your show. There's no being greater than a human being and anybody that tells you otherwise, run like hell.

Jannecke Øinæs 21:21

Hmm, it's a bit esoteric to me, in a way. So to get it more sort of grounded, how can we love ourselves? How can we feel this sovereign sovereignty? How can we come back to ourselves and back to our empowerment?

Robert Theiss 21:39

So that, of course, is our teaching is how to do that. But to make that more simple here, so how you've learned to love yourself by being corded into each other is, if I love you, then the condition is you better love me back. Then I'll know it's love. As long as the energy goes to you, then comes back to me from someone else, we're going to call that love, right? But that's not how I understand love to be I understand true love divine love doesn't need to be loved back now that kind of self love is really rare on this planet and almost non existent in the rest of creation. So how do you love yourself in a way that kind of feels selfish, that the whole point is to become so infatuated with you that you're not relying on family, friends, neighbors. I mean, you can share it with anybody unconditionally. That's great. But don't you feel you get kind of trapped into playing games called Love emotional games when you need to play this part where, okay, I love you now you need to love me back. And then behind their back, you're kind of saying, you know, I really don't like that person at all, but I just don't want to deal with them. So loving yourself first asked you to do one simple thing, to just stop whatever you're doing in life, just stop and make it so essential, so important, that you come back to just you, how do you feel, and start to breathe with this feeling of, how does it feel from the human perspective, to feel my soul, that would be interesting and that would be rare. So you continue just breathing, breathing in with every breath you take, allowing more your soul to be present and when you exhale, allowing it to circulate through your whole body, but then we take it to the next place. Are you ready now to breathe as the soul now? That's where some of you have found there's like a roadblock that interferes with that, because the human part thinks it's the real you, right? And your mind agrees with that 100% the human identity, the one that doesn't know what happened before it was born, has no memory of anything prior to this lifetime, it believes that's really you. And when you introduce the presence of your soul, and when you allow it to now breathe, well, that doesn't go over so well with the human identity. Its first words to that part is, who the you know, what is you? And what are you doing in my body and the soul? Jews. Ragl says to the human part, I can only be in your body, this body if you allow me. And that's the first clue of divine love. Your soul will not force itself into your physical body ever, even though your human part has prayed and screamed and chanted and yelled, get in my body. Come on in. It won't budge until you really allow it. And you know the difference, the difference you already feel when you're in love with somebody and you're love making you have to allow them to be that intimate, that close if they force themselves on you, you don't want anything to do with them. So same rules, same deal with the soul. The human part has to be willing to allow the soul to be present and then be willing to allow the soul to serve it too, because if you're willing to do that, then you don't need any of these energies outside yourself, because at the core of your soul is that Divine Presence is the original self. That's all that was missing, the perception that it had separated itself from all non physical beings. Was a false perception. So was the problem. Your pride soul, owning a false perception and creating hell, creating all these fights over who, whose energy is taking from whom to come here and then realize my God, it humbles me who I really am is inside of me. I am that soul. I am that over soul, and I am also the original self too. It's all inside of me. How could I not see that well? Because you perceived it wasn't inside of you, and because those parts of you will not push themselves to the front of your life, you have to allow them to be present. What a state of grace, and that grace develops what it develops trust, right? It's something you can trust, no condition. It allows you, the human part, to be in charge, completely in charge. You get to decide, am I going to allow the soul to be coexisting in my life, or is this going to be all about me? Me, me, says the human ego. This is all about my needs, my wants, my desires. And when the human comes in, the most troubling part for Robert as the human part is it made him look not more evolved, not incredibly enlightened, as he put it to me, it makes me look like an idiot that I would not allow this part to be present in me, and I would rely on creating my reality, needing others energies to play a part of that creation, when I could have allowed my soul's energy to create with me, providing for me All that I ever wanted or needed. All I had to do was allow to be present.

Jannecke Øinæs 28:47

Can I jump a bit over to Robert so we can understand what's happening? Because all of a sudden Michael was there, and you told me this before the recording, but I would love for you to share it with the audience, so you used to be channeling, sort of, he came in and Robert was channeling, and now it seems like it's this dance between the two of you, where he just takes over, share, share, sort of this process and and where, where Is Robert, when Michael is present,

Robert Theiss 29:20

yes. So we channeled for speaking for as Robert. We channeled for Archangel Michael and sometimes for Yeshua for almost 17 years. And we did that mainly in person. And then one day, Michael whispered in the back of my ear and said, Would you like to do something different? And of course, I without asking what that was, I said, Sure, let's go do something different. Said, how about you stop hiding behind me, and let you be upfront with me and your soul. My soul was named kethra, and so. The two of us, kethra and me, the human identity that sure that sounds great, but the condition would be then we'd have to reveal who we are. So here I am as Robert saying, I can still be me, the conditioned human being that I've always been, that doesn't know anything about who I was before I was a human being, and coexists with my soul called kethra, who does know who it was before it was a human being. And have Michael, our oversoul that without him, Catherine, me don't exist. So are we grateful? Are we grateful for this opportunity that we could share this reunion together? Well, speaking for Robert, initially, no, I wasn't grateful. I was pissed off. I was angry because it exposed me. They when you see Michael, you still see Robert's body, and then when I take Michael's message and go out into the world, they see my body, they don't see him. So yeah, initially made me a little upset, until I realized when they offered if I was willing to serve them, meaning I would do the computer, I would create websites, I would occasionally drive the car. I would be the one going grocery shopping. I would introduce myself to my wife without telling them that I'm also these other parts of me, and she would be okay with that. I would do all those things and be okay with that, knowing that in return, they provide unlimited energy, unlimited energy that I would never have to play the role of an employee ever, because as an employer, as being self employed, I'm employing my soul to create with me, as me too. So that then qualifies being called a multifaceted, multi dimensional being. And according to Michael, that's our true nature. I wasn't convinced of that as Robert. I saw it as a concept, and I could accept it as a concept, but now that it's a living reality for me, I think it's great. I think it's fantastic. I don't feel like such a klutz trying to figure out, how do you be human without your soul and your oversoul? I mean, that's what most of creation, or most of humanity, is struggling with, right? If all the souls were present, nobody's bombing anybody. There's no conflicts.

Jannecke Øinæs 32:55

But I do feel my soul is in me, though it's just a matter of connecting, but I'm not sure sort of how concrete we are talking but to me, I feel like my soul is inside. It's not just the human jannecke. It's not something I have to sort of find that is detached. I feel my soul is inside. But the question is whether I'm listening or not.

Robert Theiss 33:19

Well, no, so, so if you, let's say, with your boyfriend, if he said to you, I have one condition with you living with me, I'm gonna tell you when you can talk. Are you okay with that? And you probably would give him the middle finger and say, well, good luck with that. Let's move on. But why does your soul need your permission jannecke to speak and not call it channeling? Why? Why would it need permission from you, your human identity, to be able to just speak like I'm allowing right now I'm not. This isn't channeling. I acknowledged that Robert has a lot of control issues when it came to allowing my soul kethra and then allowing Archangel Michael to talk through me, you know, again, for Robert, I go channel for a bunch of people, and then I go to a grocery store, and some of them are there. They don't see Robert, they're hoping to meet Michael. And so it became like, wow, this is, this is more of a burden than it's real. But what's being asked of all of you that are watching this, why does your soul need permission anything, any permission from your human identity to do anything? It doesn't really need that, right?

Jannecke Øinæs 34:58

I don't feel like I'm a denial. Buying permission, but I'm not sure whether my soul is speaking now or Jannecke is speaking now. How would I know? I would love for my soul to just sit here and speak with you.

Robert Theiss 35:10

Should we do that? And we have a vibrant crowd of people here, and it puts you on the spot. But, I mean, it's often on the spot, yeah. But what would your soul like to say with Jannecke right now, and just go ahead and speak it from your heart?

Jannecke Øinæs 35:28

Well, I would like her to know that she's okay and and then again, I'm not sure if I'm making this up, you know, but that she could open up for more joy in her life, and that everything she's struggling with she has planned before, so it is something that is actually a gift that she welcomed to experience in this life, and she sort of knows this already, and that she could relax some more and let go a bit more because she is taken care of, and she doesn't always need to know where she's going, like she can trust, uh, trust the path, because looking back, she sees that there has been a path for her, which means she can also trust the future, that there will be a path there too. So I would invite her to let go a bit more, even though that's a struggle for her.

Robert Theiss 36:42

Very good, very good. Now, one thing I hear from your human self, she has a question, and it's a very simple question, after all that you've shared with her, do you really love me?

Jannecke Øinæs 36:58

If my soul loves me, or I'm confused who I am now, but yeah, I can definitely feel that I'm loved. And I've had an experience of an of it a mystical experience I've had many years ago where I was really shown that in a meditation that I am loved, and I think that was my soul like that was a beautiful experience I will never forget. And I felt the love I have for myself. I really felt it, and I felt how huge I am. And I also got the insight that this is the fact for everybody, that we're all loved, and we love ourselves and we're being loved. So it was this two ways of feeling it, but immediately, when I woke up, the feeling was gone. I was back to Jannecke again, but I did feel that love towards myself,

Robert Theiss 37:53

but Jannecke would would, more than anything else right now. Love to hear from your soul using words, I love you. Jannecke, forget everything I told you you need to do, or could do. I love you just as you are, you're enough, just as you are, you're you're not the one responsible for becoming enlightened, you're fine just the way you are. I love you now, when you let your soul speak in that way to you, that moves your trust more from the mind and back to the heart, where you have so much incredible energy in your heart. I mean, you know that because you wouldn't be of service the way you were being of service to the rest of humanity right now, there is so much there that wants to be shared. And this part, of course, like everybody is trying to figure out, well, what is that? What is there? And that part eventually ends up doing what Robert had to do. I get it being the male part of you. I'm here to serve you the heart the female part. If only the men on this planet would grasp that we're just here to serve the feminine nature inside of herself, and then not project all of her anger onto the female woman, because we're not getting in touch inside of ourself. We're not allowing our female nature to step forward to represent that as being us too, without being called gay. So beautiful, beautiful description there and beautiful way of being so trusting that you would allow yourself in front of this whole group, because now they get to go home and practice it themselves. Why is it so they're all asking right now, why is it so difficult for me to just talk to my human part like a friend, not like it's got to learn all these lessons. Just as a friend. It really, you know, it's doing the best it can. This is the best it can do. What you are right now, the human part, that's its best face, that is its best. You're not here to make that part better. You're here to thank it for getting you this far. And let us take it from here. Let us support you. Let you then support us too. As Michael, I wouldn't know where to start if Robert said, go ahead and create a website. I wouldn't. I wouldn't have any idea where to work with any of that. So to make it faster if I were to do it. Now, what did your souls create? AIS that makes it a lot faster. Now you're creating sounds, music, art. Now you're having interactions with a mirror of your own soul self through GTP. Now you got some energy that knows how to dance with the speed of your own soul. Now it's a beautiful dance. You don't have to wait for everything to download at a snail pace. It's happening quicker and quicker at the same time. It appears to all of you that there are more and more battles, but those are the same battles that had you leave your loved ones, your best friends in the non physical realm, to come here on Earth, to represent yourself as a human being, to find a way to resolve these ongoing, endless battles. And you found that by discovering that the battle was within yourself, it was always within yourself, between your own male and female nature.

Jannecke Øinæs 41:51

Yeah, man has conflict inside, and I've always believed that that is reflected on the outside. So we always need to go within first, I wanted to ask you. I heard in another interview that you said, or Michael said, that there has been three versions of Earth, and I think it was Lemuria, Atlantis and man this one. What does that mean?

Robert Theiss 42:22

That means that when you were Lemurians, that was your, your soul's first experience of being a human being, and it was very ethereal. You didn't want to get trapped in the human body like you do now. Feel pretty trapped. There's only one way out, and that means the body's got to stop, right? So that was a lot of playing with different forms, different elements, you know, to most beings in creation, the whole idea of being in a physical form just doesn't resonate. I mean, it feels alien to them as much as they might feel alien to you right now. So that experiment really didn't have much of a long term future, because you weren't really reaching or getting that safety point where, when you were fully embedded into the biological structure of being human, that you wouldn't lose yourself in the form itself. So that experiment stopped, and you came back again for the Atlantean experiment. And let's say that didn't go so well. You probably know the story. It all you know blew up and that you know that involves some of the technologies that you're playing with right now, and the technologies that you played with then were not well managed. And I'm not saying more control, I'm saying more divine presence being a part of the technology itself. So you're just starting in this version, repeating those other versions, but adding to it. Now, most of you are really comfortable being in a physical body, in fact, so much so you get kind of uncomfortable when you start feeling a little etheric when you start feeling at times like you're floating off the ground, which is kind of returning more and more to your natural state, not so physical. So all that changes when you make that choice to allow your soul to be integrated with your human body. And it's been a while for these physical, biological, human forms that have experienced the full impact of having your soul present, very present. It's one thing to say, it's inside of me. Yes, that's true, but is it inside? Your physical body completely, 100% that's a pretty rare human being, because those that allowed that, including the divine nature, well, they ascended. You call them Ascended Masters, all 13,000 of them, yea, they ascended. Now what about the rest of us? All of you made a different choice. I know time is limited, so we'll get through this real quick. You made a choice not to ascend this planet leave behind the rest of humanity to hopefully do what they can do for themselves. You decided to ascend in your own consciousness and stay not to be compromising that connection or that relationship with your divinity, because now you're the caretakers for the rest of humanity, but to be so infused with your own presence that it is the light of your own soul that then stimulates Any human being that wants to be open to it, that there is another way to being human, and that way is just beginning to unfold. But for those who like playing dominance, that like to extract life, that like to play games of you know, my sticks bigger than yours. I'll prove it. I'll hit you with it. Those that enjoy that game in that reality, a reality has been created for them so they can keep playing that every being gets the right to exist, but all of you and me are tired of cleaning up the mess from little boys and girls playing with big sticks. We are not here in Croatian to be babysitters to those who would enjoy intimidating, hurting, painfully, being connected to other people, we we do not enjoy that. We find no pleasure in doing that. So from our perception, oh, you've heard it from countless other guests, it looks to us that within the next 10 to 15 years, there'll be a split on this planet. It was if be as if nothing happened, except suddenly all is well. All is well. And then those that enjoy playing in all is not well. By making sure nobody likes what they're doing, that will continue for them too, but the difference is in that reality, they won't be able to project what they haven't taken responsibility for inside of themselves and use other people as a mirror for their joy to see them suffer. They'll have to deal with it. It will be a reflection right in their face to see this is all them?

Jannecke Øinæs 48:07

Yeah, I've heard this again and again, that there will be some sort of a split. Um, why now, like in my lifetime, in your Robert lifetime, why now is it happening?

Robert Theiss 48:22

Because we're tired of babysitting,

Jannecke Øinæs 48:27

yeah, but like, I feel fortunate being here right now in this,

Robert Theiss 48:33

oh, we could, we could go on the bullshit of saying, well, there's 26,000 year cycles, and at the end of every cycle, because Venus is here and Mars is there, and the moon is going to crest right there. All that alignment was the perfect timing for you to be here. That's all BS why? Because you create it all. You are the creator of your own experience, but you haven't experienced being a sovereign creator, to the extent that you're allowing yourself to experience that right now, here on Earth, you get it in slow motion. So it's undeniable that this is your creation, the experience you're having, all of it comes first from you. Your reaction to it changes how you relate to what you're experiencing. So if you make it mainly semi conscious of your soul, then your experience of being a human being will be semi conscious of what was available to you from a soul part of you too, the part of you that is the soul, if you allow it to be part of your soul that changes your experience, and you can witness how, with your soul in the driver's seat of your life, how that part of you gracefully manifests reality without the need to push, without the need to force, by just. Is to allowing your own energy, which is boundless, to serve you, but your own energy is only recognizable to you. It can only be used by you. Your own energy puts you back in your natural state, and your natural state is to be divine, without blaming, without guilt, without shame, without all those unreal, unresolved, emotional, conflicted feelings you're going to be moving into that place where you're just here, taking you and sharing your joy with everyone else on and off of this planet. Then the friends that you left in the stars will say, You did it. You did it. Now tell me, show me how you did it, and you'll say to them, dear friend, why don't you come to Earth? Check it out for yourself. It's going to be a lot easier for you than it was for me, because all of you have been here over 1000 lifetimes, not because something's wrong with you, but because it's that challenging in this density to find you,

Jannecke Øinæs 51:32

A lot of this is resonating with me, and some is not. I don't think the procession of the equinox is bullshit. I think it's just both could be true. Why are there so many spiritual contradictions?

Robert Theiss 51:49

Because don't you and I have our own unique perception of reality multiplied by what countless beings. So my truth is, we share it with those that are following our work. We never insist that that become your truth. In fact, we tell you, don't let it become your truth. All we're doing is guiding you back to your own energy, your truth, your perception, is yours, uniquely yours, but you too would agree with us as I feel for myself, isn't that also always changing? What was true for me last year isn't true anymore. I've changed. Yeah, so there's hope for you.

Jannecke Øinæs 52:35

There's hope for me? What do you mean by that?

Robert Theiss 52:39

Well, that was Robert slipping in. That's why we don't like listening to him in the front seat. That's supposed to be funny. That was a joke, okay, that he tells himself too. All right, don't take it personal.

Jannecke Øinæs 52:53

No, I won't. So how have the reactions been to you, Robert, coming out with this? I mean, you used to work with something completely different. How have you been able to sort of face others who might have reactions to you showing up as your full self so to say.

Robert Theiss 53:21

Right. I work with small groups of people because it works better if there's an intimacy there. So there is that opportunity for give and take and hearing and sharing. If it gets too big in the groups, then then it can get lost, and it ends up staying just in the mind with all the doubts and fears. So yeah, our we generally like to keep it around 25 to 40 people per class, per workshop, per whatever we're doing, and then we do private sessions. But those are somewhat limited. Private sessions allow me to do one on one and share with that. But you know, funny thing is, is that you know who you are, attracts who is attracted to you. So we're getting mainly not people that just don't get where we're coming from, but embrace it for themselves too. They want this too. They want the ease of being connected to both their soul and their oversoul. They want to see themselves as being God too, not as someone. They have to prove themselves to not something that's externalized outside of themselves. They want to feel it. And we'd have to say, you know, our success rate's pretty high as far as small groups, intimacy, keeping it personal, making ourselves available to people, one on one and in small groups. It makes it easier. If we were working with 1000s of people, wouldn't be so easy, both on Roberts and this body self, but on all those people who's you know, their questions really aren't being answered. That's why we wrote books. Right? And that's why we put things on like you on YouTube. So you know, the more you listen, the more you watch, the more you get from it.

Jannecke Øinæs 55:08

It definitely resonated with with me, the part about us finding everything inside and not going externally, and that I really believe that we are God or the universe or source, that it's not external. Nothing is external from my belief. But it's interesting what came forward today, because it's sort of a new version of creation that I haven't heard. And I so agree that what I believe today can change tomorrow, and that we all have our own truths. And to me that together becomes the truth like Truth is truth from a perspective, and I can't see the truth from just my angle. I see I feel like when you put all the truths together, that gives you the truth. But what is true anyway? It gets a bit philosophical as well. And I think that sometimes it's hard to describe this in our own human language, also, because I'm listening to this, and I'm feeling that my human self, speaking of what we've been speaking about today, understands it on some level. And then there's another understanding that is taking in the knowledge, and that is understanding it, and sort of they are in a bit of a conflict, and maybe that's because we're on different levels of consciousness as well, and that my soul understands a lot, but my human version does not. So I think it was a wonderful to me, like philosophical session today, and also deep, deeply esoteric. And what I took away from it was the empowerment and was the allowance of my soul to come forward more and listening deeper to that little voice inside and make it, you know, bigger. Yeah,

Robert Theiss 57:16

Thank you. I really, really appreciate it. I know it's it's a, probably the most challenging thing to do is it's not for the faint of heart, is to go inside, because you will meet the parts don't feel they deserve to be a part of this, to be a part of the wholeness of who we are. And once they get that, you know, then you and I, doesn't matter what you believe or what I believe, heart to heart. I'm okay with it, you know, I don't it really doesn't matter to me. I'm heart to heart. I just like being around you. It's great. You know, you trust that my story will change. I trust your story will change, heart to heart. Well, we're being true to our heart, right? We're accepting the change, and it's all good. We're just tired, you know, with so much that we want to create in the name of beauty, that we're tired of walking around with a broom and a waste can cleaning up the messes is we just have better things to do.

Jannecke Øinæs 58:20

So is creation all about love.

Robert Theiss 58:23

It will be. It will be. But again, if we're talking about the original self, setting itself free in individuated parts of itself, wanting to explore what is unknown to it in countless ways. I mean, imagine that kind of freedom, imagine that kind of trust. I want to know everything about what is available to me, every experience possible. And love was one of those experiences where it came to it from the courage of an individuated part of itself, having the courage to love another and try to imagine, I mean, as human beings, we can't imagine what it must be like not to feel love. I mean, and there's a lot of other beings not on this planet that are frightened of love because it cannot be managed. It cannot be controlled. And that's why we love it, right? I mean, that's exactly why we love it, is it? This is one thing you no one's going to be able to manage this or control it, though, and we don't know. I mean, there's so much more to it and to ourself that allows us to explore even deeper in our heart, how incredible it is that we even exist. Because, you know, the original self, of all the times Michael has asked the original self, who created you original self, and she hasn't a clue, and she. Care less. She's completely content just being. I exist. That seems to be enough. But of course, we've made it into something else, and so it is.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:00:15

It's been so interesting and lovely having you on the show. Robert and I have a few questions I ask all my guests on one of them we've been speaking about already, but for you, Robert, what is self love to you

Robert Theiss 1:00:29

That's placing such a high value on my own presence, my own energy, that I feel that it is just priceless, that more valuable than anything I could even imagine. So when I think of loving myself, I relate to my own energy as being that's something I can really, really feel. And when I allow myself to love my own energy, then the benefit of that is I get to experience what comes back to me. And that's that's, well, you, I'm on your show.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:01:03

Thank you for that. That was beautiful. What is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective,

Robert Theiss 1:01:12

To just be, and then let the chips fall where they fall, to be before you do, just be so whatever you do is part of what is being you, and that would be being in your own energy, right? I'm just going to be in my own energy, be that, and then what I do is always connected to my own energy. That would be Wow. I mean, that's incredible, right? I mean, that's just incredible. Everything I do would be connected to me, being in my own energy. So I'm grateful for teachers like you and everybody else I bumped into that inspired me to keep digging deeper inside. There's there's something even further inside of me, but it's it's so quiet, it's so innocent, it doesn't even relate to drama, though. You know, if I can let myself just be with that for a while, then something about that reveals itself to me is me being that too, and then I can dream really big of incredible possibilities for the human family.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:02:32

Truly inspiring. Robert, if people want to dive deeper and learn more about your work, maybe work with you. How can they do so

Robert Theiss 1:02:41

Just visit ancientwings.net and it's all there on the home page. But if you want to go deeper than that, you're welcome to join our community. So that's a group of people like we were talking earlier, with a heartfelt passion for wanting to embody their freedom, not just conceptualize it, but to really have a living experience with it. And then there's a lot of to make it easier for some people. A lot of prior videos that are on that are prior workshops that you can rent at a real, reasonable price, and those you can check that out in our course page.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:03:19

Wonderful. Thank you so much for coming to the show and sharing these inspirational messages and your wisdom today.

Robert Theiss 1:03:27

Thank you, my friend, been a pleasure.