Awakening Your Inner Energetic Awareness! With Jeffrey Allen

Jeffrey Allen 0:00

So I kind of for a long time, I sort of lived two lives. I had my daytime engineering career, my nighttime hobby of looking to energy and intuition. And month went by and I I just realized, wait a minute, maybe I'm an energy healer pretending to be an engineer. So that's that flip for me, that switch I saw the reality like I can just go from this reality of being an engineer, software engineer, software engineer, to this reality of being an energy healer, you we can change, and any of you can that are listening, and you can change your life. It's kind of remarkable. If we go a little a few decades into the future, we're probably more likely to be just experiencing things rather than wanting to know how they work. And knowing this my my soul knows things, just like everybody does, if you really tune in all of a sudden, those moments where you like, you just know what's happening suddenly, there's just in a moment, you've got an insight. Ah, I get it oddly, AI is gonna help a lot. So AI is coming in at the perfect time to help us in that way. You know, when you first start tuning into intuition, like, to be totally honest, you just want shortcuts and little cheat codes for your life, right? So you just want to know, like, I met this woman at work, does she like me? Should I ask her out? Is she going to say yes, these are the kind of things you're actually going to ask your guides, right? It's not, it's not a big spiritual thing for most people. It's honestly, you're just, you're just trying to get some cheat codes, right? But, um, after some time, once you get past that, you know, you started thinking, asking deeper questions. So I was asking my guides, like, why am I here? And they said, You're here to be of service.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:32

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Jeffrey Allen 1:50

Thank you so much. Jannecke, it's great to be here.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:52

I'm excited to meet you. You're all the way in Japan in the future for me, and you have an interesting story. You have been a software engineer today. You're very well known energy expert and healer and teacher, and you're passionate about helping people live their lives or their dreams with enthusiasm, with engagement, empowering themselves. And I'm I'm excited to dive into energy today and to hear your story and maybe get some tips on how we could use energy work in our everyday lives. And my first question to you is, can we all have this or do we all have this ability to sense or feel or even hear energy,

Jeffrey Allen 2:41

yeah, definitely, definitely, everybody is intuitive, everybody's a healer, everybody's a medium. These are just normal human abilities, but they're abilities that a lot of us don't think about that much. They kind of happen in the background. And you know, our modern culture kind of trains us to really think about the mind, like, Are you are you thinking well or speaking well or, you know, are you logical? Did you get a degree? You know, so sort of, we're kind of conditioned that these are the important things. And so even though all of us have intuition and all of us are healers, naturally, I think we don't pay that much attention to it, because it's been sort of, you know, not validated as much, and in some cases, even sort of squashed out. Maybe not so much anymore, but at least in the in the past, you know, it was these things could be really kind of scary for for people at times, but everybody has the ability, and it's it doesn't need to be scary. It doesn't need to be something that's far away or that somebody else does. I thought that when I was first getting into it, like, wow, there's these other people with these superpowers, where they can tune in and get answers, or they can do energy healing and and then I kind of stumbled into a school that was teaching these things at the time. I was, like you mentioned I was an engineer as software engineer, and I just thought, Wow, you can take classes and learn how to read energy or do energy healing. This is fascinating. I'm going to take, I don't know if it's real or not, but I'm going to take a class and find out, you know, I'm going to find out for myself, what's you know, what? What's here, what's real, and what can I do? Really fascinating,

Jannecke Øinæs 4:25

yeah, could you share a bit more about that transformation you had? Because was it like that, that you were a software engineer with no belief in anything metaphysical or energy work? Because I'm curious what made you all of a sudden, transition completely. And I've also read that you you've studied tons of different philosophies, so it has been a long path coming to where you are now.

Jeffrey Allen 4:53

Yeah, definitely, yeah. You know, for me, you know my background is, is math and science, so I've got a computer science. Science Degree and a mathematics degree and and, you know, really love the the scientific way of looking at things. But to me, I take that very personally. I look at what's true in my experience, like, Can I do something in my life and get results repeatedly. And if that's true for me, I'm if that works for me, okay, saying, okay, that's that's true for me right now doesn't have to be forever. It doesn't have to be for everybody, but in my life, I can repeat repeatedly, get these results. That's good enough. I don't need to know necessarily why it works, or how it works, and and I, I like this philosophy, because for me, you know, I get a lot of people, especially early on now, now people are kind of interested in energy work. It's not so far out to say energy, but when I started, you know, I was actually working for the Department of Energy for the US government. I was working at a research lab, so if I said energy, one, they didn't know what I was talking about. They thought I was talking about, you know, energy. But also I had a, I had a security clearance, and, like, just even talking about, you know, things like intuition, I was worried that I might, I might lose my job, or I might lose my clearance, you know, at the very least, I was going to lose the respect of my peers. And so I kind of for a long time, I sort of lived two lives. I had my daytime engineering career, my nighttime hobby of looking to energy and intuition and and, and they, they didn't seem at odds to me, other than some people were open to one side of me, but not open to the other side. Some people were open to all of it, and it could go both ways. Some people were like, Oh, I don't like any of that science stuff. That's too repressive. I was like, I'm okay with Actually, everything. Everybody's beliefs are okay with me. I just like to sort of try things on for myself and give everybody space to do the same and but I especially I like to welcome skeptics when I'm talking to people for the first time. So if I'm having a live seminar, I always have people raise their hands, like, is there anybody in the room that's, you know, a healer? Is there anybody in the room that doesn't believe healing is possible and and I just say, hey, skepticism is great. We should really question where our beliefs come from, but not just other people's beliefs. Where did that other person's beliefs come from? I believe we should. The most powerful thing we can do is look at ourselves and say, Hey, maybe the things that I believe are true, maybe they're not. I don't really know. Let me, let me try it out. Let me do some experiments. Let me, let me just explore the thought of, why do I believe what I believe anyway? This is something I got into early on in in college. It's kind of what started me down this path was my experiences didn't match my belief system. And so I had to reconcile this in some way. And I think most people reconcile it by saying, Ah, those experiences didn't happen. I'm just going to cling to what I was taught was true. But it's like the scientist in me is the opposite. I'm like, well, whether I, whether I thought it was possible or not, these things did happen, and they're still happening, so I guess I'm gonna have to, I guess my beliefs aren't right.

Jannecke Øinæs 8:30

Hmm, what was that? Spiritual experiences you're referring to?

Jeffrey Allen 8:34

Yeah, yeah, I was having experiences like, I was seeing like, like, it wasn't all the time, but sometimes I would see this like bright light around people, and it was always people that there was something really important or interesting to connect with that person. And it didn't happen very many times, but it's just it happened. I'm like, I don't really understand what's going on here. I don't really, I don't know how to contextualize this, but I know in my heart what's going on. Just my brain, my intellect, can't categorize it. And then I had some other strange experiences. My girlfriend, at the time was very psychic, and I was sleeping one night, and I kind of had this, was having this dream, and I just kind of like my body just kind of jerked, you know, sometimes at night, just sort of like your body, like your body jerks, and my dream like parted, like this curtain parted, and she her face was there, and she said, Are you okay? And I said, yeah, yeah, I'm just dreaming. And my body just jerked. And she goes, Okay, and then the curtain came back, and the dream continued. And then I'm like, wait a minute, and so I open my eyes, and I look at her, and she's looking at me, and I said, Why didn't you just talk to me? That's just what came out of my mouth. And she said, while you were sleeping, I thought it'd just be easier to go where you were. And I'm like, I don't even know what to you. Make out of this. What do I do with this experience? And so that's the kind of things that started happening where it's like, okay, something is true beyond what I believe is true. I don't know how to explain it, but, but I want to know more. This is exciting to me, that, you know, my curiosity overrode any fear that was there. I'm just always excited to learn new things. I don't find I don't really have the kind of fear reaction that maybe some people have to new experiences.

Jannecke Øinæs 10:32

And what made you made that shift of a career like going full in as an energy worker?

Jeffrey Allen 10:39

Yeah, well, it wasn't intentional. You know, I used to say, and I was taking classes for a long time, that I was actually on the board of directors at the school for a little while, about two years, and people would tell me, you're, you're a teacher. You're supposed to be teaching this. And I always said, No way. I don't want to be a teacher. I'm not interested in and like, being on stage is terrifying. I don't want to do that like I don't want any, I want anything to do with that. This is just my hobby. And then, and then, I had a series of coincidences that happened in that, you know, tell the kind of short story, but I ended up in Uganda for a month, I was a replacement teacher for my friend. She had a clairvoyant school there. She had a bunch of advanced students and and they didn't know that I was a software engineer. They just knew that I was their teacher's teacher, which was true. And I went there for months just to try it out, and I kind of went in feeling like I'm kind of this engineer pretending to be a teach, an energy teacher and energy healer, and and a month went by, and I I just realized, wait a minute, maybe I'm an energy healer pretending to be an engineer, and I just don't know it and like, so that's that flip for me, that switch I saw the reality like I can just go from this reality of being an engineer, software engineer, to this reality of being an energy healer, totally acceptable to you. Know that you we can change, and any of you can that are listening, and you can change your life. It's kind of remarkable. And so I just basically, I just said, yes, if this is my path, I'm I'm open to it. But I didn't try it. I didn't take any steps forward to try to make it happen. But I did. I just kind of listened, and when the opportunities came in, I was brave enough to step into him. And within a year, let's see. That was 2005 and it was May. By November, I was I had moved out. I moved from Colorado to Sedona and cut back to half time in my career, and I was on my way to going all the way to zero. I was open my business with an energy healer. I was just starting to teach classes, you know, and this, this all happened in within six months, without me really making any plans or doing anything, I just the opportunity would be there, and I just say, Okay, I'm going to try it. Just going to step in. It's, it's a really exciting way to live, but it, it is scary. But you know, to me, the excitement, like the what if, like, what what could happen, was more exciting than what could happen if I don't change, that. That was the scary part for me. If I don't change, I'll be I'll be sitting here in this office for another 1020, 30 years. That was the scariest thing. Like not changing,

Jannecke Øinæs 13:44

I find it interesting that we sometimes seems to have resistance towards our live mission, like no, no, no, I'm never going to be on a stage. I'm so scared of that I'm never going to be a teacher, you know, and then it's so natural for you today. Yes, yeah. Isn't that interesting that we have? Seems like there is something in that resistance.

Jeffrey Allen 14:08

Yeah, I don't. I don't know why that's true, but it is true for a lot of people, that the thing that we want the most we're also the most afraid of. And because there's part of me that loves getting attention. So like, being going to an event where I'm a speaker, and everybody thinks I'm amazing. Like, yeah, my ego loves that. That's fantastic, right? I love that kind of attention. I always been kind of a, like, like to show off on the on a snowboard or, you know, rock climbing or something, you know, and it was fun for people to see me, but somehow the thought of teaching was terrifying. So, you know, it's hard. I don't know why, but

Jannecke Øinæs 14:49

yeah, so you speak about living a spirit driven life or lifestyle, was that sort of what? Uh, was it sort of a recipe, what you were actually doing in your own life, just following the breadcrumbs, seeing where life was leading you. I just love to hear what is really living a spirit led life.

Jeffrey Allen 15:15

Yeah, for me, it's mostly about listening. So the the framework that the best describes it actually got from my wife, Usami. So when I married Hisami, that's that's why I live in Japan. She's Japanese, and I, when I met her, I was just blown away by how amazing her energy is and just how clear and just just pure channel for spirit. She's just always present, always kind and loving, and it's like she I wanted to learn what she had learned, but when we met, we didn't speak the same language. You know, she spoke Japanese, I spoke English. We didn't have any shared words at all, so we didn't really talk about it much. We just spent time together. And eventually I got an interpreter. I went to one of her classes. I was like, wow, everything she's talking about has happened to me. She's talking about these stages of growth we go through, and it's like, that's the same stages that I experienced. And looking around like, oh, that's the same stages that we're all experiencing. We're just at kind of different places on our own journey. And so it kind of depends, you know, it depends on where you are in that journey. That's why I'm saying that as to where, which approach is going to work best. So if I met that stage, like early on, when I first got out of college, I was really excited about the material world. I was excited about, like, making money, getting a cool job, helping a lot of people, you know, having a cool car, getting some sunglasses, you know, it just like it was very, you know, it's very normal. This world is very exciting, right? And so at that stage, if that's where you're at, the best thing you can do is start to tune in and notice, are these desires that I have my are they my desires? Are they just what I've been told was important? Am I just chasing what everybody says is the right thing that I should get? So you really want to start tuning and saying, What? What do I really want? What do? What do I want? And then as you do that, all of a sudden, your attention goes back within. And it's kind of remarkable things that were super exciting before suddenly start to lose their their shine. And that's when, you know, okay, I've sort of bumped myself into the next phase, which is a little bit of like in that example, you might if you're a person who's really loves being on social media and loves like, making things you know really shine there, getting lots of likes, getting lots of influence there, if suddenly that starts becoming less fun for you. Like, it was genuinely fun, but now it's like, that's not so fun anymore. Whatever I'm doing for my success just doesn't excite me anymore. It's kind of disturbing. Okay, good. That's actually a step forward. That means now you're listening to your true inner desires and noticing, hey, they're not actually the same thing that I thought I should be chasing a big net time for a little, you know, time for a little turn. And, yeah, it's, it's interesting. And so it kind of depends where in the stage, I'd say that the third one, the third stage. And there's a lot of people there right now that are, once you've made that shift and said, like, for me, I'd shift it out of my engineering career, I'm doing energy healing full time, and I feel like I'm there. I've lined up my outer world and my inner world and my true desires of doing the thing that I believe I'm here to do. It feels like I'm sort of winning, right? But what you notice, what I notice, what I see in myself and other people at that stage is that with that sense of excitement or sort of like I'm doing the right thing, also comes this righteous part. Not like, it's not just that it's right for me, but everybody else should be like me, right? Like, if, if I'm meditating every day and you're not meditating, then what's wrong with you? If I decided that, you know my path is to be vegetarian, but you're not vegetarian, then you're you're a big loser if. And so we start seeing this, it's and it's kind of comical, because you see it, you're like, Okay, so if I'm supposedly a spiritual teacher, why am I so judgmental? Why am I looking at other people and thinking there's something wrong with them if they're not like me? Like, that's some something's wrong here, right? Something's not jiving. I'm not quite at the level that I'm pretending I am, right? And so this is and this kind of self reflection being a. Look at yourself and noticing things like this and having fun with it. That's what kind of keep like we keep going to the next and the next, next step. But those are, those are the kind of the big, the big three that that I see people are in right now,

Jannecke Øinæs 20:15

right i mean that demands also real vulnerability and also courage, I would say, to be able to one look at your shadows and your blind spots and admitting them, and also doing it on camera, which I want to commend you for, that is brave. And I think looking at ourselves is the most challenging thing to really see. Ah, I I noticed this yucky side of myself. I'm I'm actually manipulating here, and what am I doing here? Or, Wow, I'm really jealous, like, really being honest, raw, honest with ourselves. I think that is maybe the hardest part,

Jeffrey Allen 20:56

yeah, but that's where all the magic is, right? So when you can do that, that's when that's when we can grow, that's when we can change. Like, if I can't, if I can't look at what I'm doing, I mean, I have to tell everybody else, but if I can't look at it honestly for myself, I can't change. I'm just going to stay in whatever that pattern is. And and also, you get a lot of Big Insights, like, when I started noticing, like, so why is it? What's this? What is this judgment thing? Where is this coming from? Ah, the energy is actually really clear. If you kind of get out of the judgment and just get look at the energy. Oh, we believe. Or I'll say, I believe, like if I believe that now I'm better than the old me, whatever I'm doing now, or eating now, or whatever religion I have now, or politics, whatever is better than what it was before. If I have that judgment of a past self, then, of course, everybody like past me, I'm better than them too. So it's actually it has to a self judgment. It's not even about other people. So when I can see that, I can start to look back and go, Well, was there really anything wrong with who I was before? No, it's fine. I was always I've basically always been myself. I've always been growing. And I can look back at any time and see that, you know, like kind of chuckle at myself, like it's funny that I used to believe that, but I also know, just because I see that big perspective, that I'll be looking back at myself now in the future and chuckling at this me too, right? And so why not join in that big, long joke and just be part of it the whole way you know, instead of pretending that something you know that what I'm doing right now is right?

Jannecke Øinæs 22:38

Yeah, so for a person who does not understand quite energy healing, what does that mean? Could you explain what you actually mean by energy healer?

Jeffrey Allen 22:52

Sure, yeah, it's great question. Yeah. So energy healing is really just about sensing when there's an energy something that's not coherent. So there's, if you look at energy fields, if there's a lot of energy going in many different directions, that's what we call like a non coherent field. And if you see all the energy kind of going in the same direction, you get a coherent field. And so it's basic, you know, and if you look just at the energy, that's what we're talking about, is you notice there's something that's out of balance, where there's energy going multiple directions, and we're going to help it line up into a coherent field. So you know, what does that mean in the real world? So in the real world, what that means is, you know, for me, if I sit down with somebody and I, you know, say hello to that person. Start tuning into them energetically. I can start to notice those energy is a little stuck here in their throat. Okay, let's just see what I can do about that. So for me, I like to move my hands. I'll just put my hands kind of behind their neck, and the one in the front and all this stuff just sort of happens. The hands are just moving. They know what to do. It's not something that I learned or that as like a formula in a book that I follow. There's you can do that. You can learn things and follow networks too. But for me, I believe that we all have that natural inherent abilities within us, and when we can tap into those and let those flow, it can be even more powerful than something we learned from somebody else.

Jannecke Øinæs 24:31

And this is probably linked with all the chakras, right? So are you then able to see chakras and see, okay, So in the Root Chakra, there is some resistance, or in this chakra, the energy is not moving in an optimal way. Is that sort of the goal to all the chakras being like, yeah,

Jeffrey Allen 24:50

the chakras are a great place to start, because it's, it's just a you can get a lot of information about people, so the chakras are good, great place to start, but you can also look at the energy around the body. You. You can look at just more in general, like relationship, energy between people, or I did, I did energy readings for a little more than 10 years. Just every way I did about was I doing 10 a week for 10 years. So that's a lot, and over time, it just got more and more and more interesting, just to see the patterns that people are working on, the energy that's circulating within them, and also seeing how quickly people can change. Just sometimes, like I said, when you can see something, you can change it. If you've been chasing something for years and years and years, and you can't quite understand why it's not changing. Sometimes, just shedding a little light on that is just enough to like, boom, everything can. Everything could change.

Jannecke Øinæs 25:50

Yeah, the awareness putting light on things, yeah. Um, so it seems like I'm jumping all over the place, but I'm trying to understand more of the energy when it comes to our energy bodies like I believe, we're not so very physical that we're basically energy and intelligence and divine and soul and so much more. But do you have sort of a framework for or an explanation of what we are these energy bodies that we have, and whether it is like this that we start manifesting through our emotions and thoughts and intentions, and that it starts first in the energy bodies before it sort of manifests. So it's sort of a path to become physical. Is that how you see the

Jeffrey Allen 26:38

Yeah, definitely. Everything happens in the energy first before it happens in the physical world. And in fact, if you think about the chakras, they're organized like this, too. So to kind of think like, first you get some inspiration. So that's what we would call, like seventh chakra. And then you take that inspiration, you're like, Okay, now I'm gonna, I'm gonna think about it. I'm gonna I'm gonna put it in my mind here, and I'm gonna put some thoughts around and some words into some ambition or whatever. Then it's gonna come down. This idea is gonna come down here. You're gonna start talking about it to your friends. I've got this idea. I'm thinking about this thing. I want to do it. All of a sudden the heart starts lighting up. You start getting a lot of passion, like, I really want to do this. I have to do this. I'm excited about this thing. Third chakra kicks in. That's where that's taking action. So when you're doing things in the physical world, not just talking about it, not just buying domain names, like, actually, like, you're actually out there taking action to make it happen. And then your your second chakra, you're starting to just put all this life force and love and power into that thing. And then finally, that idea is rooting, just like your root chakra, rooting into the physical world. And that's how everything's created. It comes from thoughts and ideas and energy and just, you know, down through our bodies, these amazing machines that we have, you know, and then they root into this physical form. And if, if what you're trying to create isn't quite happening, you know, like, you're trying and trying, trying, but you can't quite get to the finish line. Oftentimes, you can just kind of tune in and say, Oh, where is it getting stuck? There? Is it like, like, I'm great at talking about it, but I don't feel passionate about it. Okay, well, I'm gonna just work on my heart chakra. Or I've got a lot of passion, but I can't seem to take even one step forward. Okay, that's getting stuck in my third chakra. Great. I can do some exercises for the third chakra. So it's kind of again, it just kind of helps you pinpoint, like, Oh, where am I getting stuck? And something to work on or partner up with a person that's really good at that energy that you're not so good at, like the people that are fantastic at all the lower chakras. May want to partner with people that are fantastic at all the inspiration, people that have all this inspiration, but can't make it happen in real world. Guess what? Find a partner that's good at real world stuff, you know? And then when you partner up, suddenly your team or your group has everything that's needed. You complete this energy path from idea inspiration all the way into manifestation

Jannecke Øinæs 29:10

that makes so much sense, and it is a framework and a language that makes so much sense to me, because it's actually a path there. Do you think that this is the language we'll use in the future?

Jeffrey Allen 29:24

Oh, I don't know, because it's funny. I think that in some ways, we're moving away from this type of languaging already, right? So we're but like the at the same time as we're opening up to it, like, wow, I can, I can think about energy and how it applies, and want to understand it more. Like, that's all fantastic. But this whole thinking part and analyzing part that we're experiencing, that part is rapidly, kind of turning down for everybody, and we're moving into more of a i. Like a sensing version of things. So we're kind of moving, you know, we're, I think if we go a little, a few decades into the future, we're probably more likely to be just experiencing things rather than wanting to know how they work.

Jannecke Øinæs 30:16

And it's more of a knowingness,

Jeffrey Allen 30:19

exactly, you nailed it. It's kind of annoyingness, yeah, and that's, that's what um even with intuition. I was having a discussion about intuition the other day, and like when we talk about seeing energy or hearing energy, or things like this, but the in many ways, this type of intuition is just my brain interpreting something deeper, which is a knowingness my my soul knows things. It just like everybody does. If you really tune in all of a sudden, those moments where, like, you just know what's happening, suddenly, there's just in a moment, you've got an insight. Ah, I get it. I see what's happening in the relationship with my mom or my family or my partner or I see this reason why I was stuck, like all of a sudden, we just get this insight, and it all makes sense. That's everybody has that intuition, in many ways, is just putting some words around that to try to understand it, right? I think we're actually moving out of that. We're going to get to the phase where, like, we don't care why it works. We don't care what the words are. We're just tuned in, and we're in the flow naturally, like we realize that slowing down to talk about it or to teach it isn't necessary. We can just take the hand of the person next to us and enjoy the ride. So I think that's think the future is gonna look more like that, and oddly, AI is gonna help a lot. So AI is coming in at the perfect time to help us in that way.

Jannecke Øinæs 31:56

All right? In what way?

Jeffrey Allen 31:58

Yeah. So because AI is a because AI is able to do all that analyzing, correlating, all those things that we're trying to do with that analytical mind that we have. It can do it better than we can. It can. So AI can do this better than better than people can, so we don't need, not very many years into the future. We won't need to pretend we're the smartest person in the room, because everybody will have their AI agent with them that's smarter than all of us. And so then, hey, great, the pressure is off. Now we can all do the thing that the computer can't do, which is, decide what we're interested in. You can't ask the AI, what do I want for lunch like it. Can't tell you that I'm sorry. What do I want at a partner, can't tell you that. But once we're free from just thinking all the time and doing probably the labor that we're not that interested in, I think we'll spend a lot more time asking those just honest questions, and what do I really want, and then pursuing that?

Jannecke Øinæs 33:09

Yeah, and if we don't put our focus on something like we've been doing in the past, like the intellectual mind, which then gets stronger, if we don't do that, I guess the other parts of ourselves will be stronger, like intuition, just being an S, because we focus on one thing that that grows. So maybe that's you know, also why we grow our deeper intuition. I've heard in another video that you said a lot of energy is coming into the planet now. And then, I'm curious what kind of energy or and if you can expand on that,

Jeffrey Allen 33:49

yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's a good topic. It's um. So I noticed, gosh, it was probably, it was in Mount Shasta. So it must have been like, around the same time frame, maybe 2003 2005 somewhere in that time frame. And one of my teachers, Michael, tomorrow, I lived out there, so I used to go out big workshops with him, and it was fantastic. And if you haven't been to Mount Shasta, it's one of those places in the planet where just you feel different when you're there, like you feel like there's something happening. There's energy flowing through you, like you just feel more spiritual, for lack of a better word, right? And because the energy is so strong, you can find this in many different places on the planet. And and I was tuning in there, and I just, I had this sense that the things I've been worried about, about like, are we going down the right road as humanity? Are we actually going to end up harming ourselves irreparably? Or, you know, are things going the right direction? I just had this deep sense that it's okay. We're actually, we're fine. You know, we've you. We've made it past, you know, at that time, whatever, whatever cliff we were barreling toward, we'd sort of had either built a bridge or turned or, you know, in some way it's fine, we're going to make it through and and also the sense that others is there's a different vibration that we're moving into. The whole planet is moving into a different vibration. It's and interestingly, when I met, he saw me, started taking her classes. She was telling me the same thing. This was quite a while later. We met in 2009 and got married 2010 and I didn't take any classes from her till about five years later, I had to get an interpreter, you know, to talk to my wife. So got an interpreter, went to her class, and she was saying the same thing. She's saying, oh, there's this new energy coming that's here, and it's, it's radically changing things. And the big change we've already talked about a little bit already Is this what she's she calls it the material mind, the part of us that's the or analytical mind that's good for the material world. She says material, mind and spirit, mind. And she said that part is sort of getting smooshed right now, and that's why, and a lot of people can feel this, feel like, Hey, I, I used to be able to sit down at work and be a lot more productive, but I can't seem to do that anymore. Or I used to be able to remember a lot of things I can't do anymore. Whatever it is for you, it's like, suddenly it feels like, because my brain is not really functioning the way it used to. I know I'm getting older, but I don't think it's just that. I think something's going on here and and many people have this the same sense, well, you're not broken, that's okay. So what's what's happening is the planet is shifting, and we're all part of the planet. We're not just on the planet, we're part of the planet, right? And so as it shifts, our brainwave frequencies are shifting too, and we're moving out of all the things that we thought we needed to be good at. We're just not going to be that good at them anymore. But like I said, interestingly, technology always kind of does this dance with us. We have a technology with AI that's gonna, that's gonna beautifully fill in that for us so we know, like we probably won't even notice, because we'll just naturally, sort of release and get let AI help us if we're not in resistance, and then we won't even notice that. You know, I'm not thinking so hard anymore because it feels good. I don't have to. I have a tool that's doing it for me. So that's, that's great, but I didn't really answer your question. I'm just kind of talking about the effects, but I didn't tell you, like, what? Tell you, like, what it is or why it's there. But, um, you know,

Jannecke Øinæs 37:45

yeah, if you have some perspectives or knowledge on that, I'd love to hear.

Jeffrey Allen 37:49

Well, I don't usually talk about that, because it's not so important. I think the effects are more important. But, um, let's see, what would I say? Yeah, I've heard a lot of things over the years. So, you know, way back in the late 90s, I was kind of following different channels, and you'd hear people say, like, Oh, we're moving through, I like, this big band of energy, or moving through the equatorial plane of the galaxy. You know, there's just a lot of people that talk about different frameworks for it. Honestly, I, I like the way that Isami describes it the best. She just says, Hey, there's a new energy that's here. And just, you know, rather than getting into what it is, let's just, let's just learn it. It's like, it's like, if you're, if you're a surfer, right? So, if there's a new wave pattern that's coming in, what's exciting getting on your surfboard and learning to surf these waves. Like, hey, this is different. I've been surfing here for 10 years, but there's a new thing happening here. This is what I want to get on my surfboard. I don't want to sit on the shore and, like, draw a map of what the waves look like, talk to my friends about it, right? I want to get in. I want to get in and surf. And so same thing now I think that, you know, everybody just dive in. You're already here. You're surfing anyway. You're living. So it's more interesting to kind of play with it, to understand it.

Jannecke Øinæs 39:15

And is this new energy helping us also live a life beyond our wildest dreams? Like, do they go together? Because that is what you also help people with. So will it be easier for us to actually live our dreams? Because I think that many people, when they read that or hear that, they're like, oh, yeah, you know, for some that's possible, but not for me and not for them. And, you know, get real. You know that we can feel a lot of resistance. So I guess if you could talk a bit about sort of how we move into that and whether we also get help to do that now.

Jeffrey Allen 39:51

yeah, sure. Yeah, there's again, it depends on kind of what stage you're at, kind of like, what's interesting for you right now? Yeah. If you're somebody that's really interested in in the how and the why and the details and a system, then probably something like the duality program that I teach in Mindvalley would really help. So that's a program where I go like I I really try to back it up with everything I can. As far as here's here's a little energy diagram. Here's what it looks like. Here's some exercises you can do. Here's how to ground yourself, here's what will happen if you are grounding yourself, here's how to you want to increase your sales. Okay? Here's three techniques to do that. Um, so there's I tried to make it as practical as possible, which is a little unusual, because when I took energy training, it had nothing to do with being practical. I was just curious. And it was fun. It was just stuff I was playing with. But when I, you know, I connected with Mindvalley, they were asking the hard questions. They're like, Well, why would somebody do this? How would it benefit them? Are they going to there's going to help in their relationship or their career or their health with money. And I'm like, Yeah, of course, but I never thought about any of that stuff. But I'm doing pretty well, and it's because I listen to the energy, I follow the energy, and my life looks like some weird series of miracles, right? And it's just because I'm listening the energy, and so I see opportunities that people are paying attention to, and I'm good at looking at myself and quickly letting go of the things that I'm doing that aren't serving me. So the kind of those are, there's the two main things, listen to the energy, not just your mind, and then also listen to yourself, and don't take yourself too seriously. You know, if you're if you're stuck on something, it doesn't have to stay that way, but it will, as long as you believe that you're stuck, as long as you believe you can't get unstuck, that that'll be true, right? So that's um, so that's one direction. The so like half the people I talk to, that's a great direction for them. Learn, get it. Get into a system that you really enjoy, that lets you practice these tools in a way that you feel safe and you feel comfortable with. The other half the people are more like, more like my wife. You saw me where it's just like, I'm just going to let my mind relax. I'm just going to go in and be present in the moment in my body. I'm just going to try to enjoy every moment as much as I can, like when I I asked her, you know, what's your what's your life's purpose? So we're getting these questions, you know, from students. From students, and she said, Oh, that's really easy. She said, My purpose is the same as everybody make happy memories. And I was like, That's really fascinating, because everybody has, like, what sounds like a business plan. You know, when you ask life's purpose, people have business plans. And Isami is like, so simple, just make happy memories. The other side would be, you know, reduce regrets, try not to have regrets. So I'm like, wow, those are two really powerful levers. If I'm doing both of those, would I really care what career I was in? Or, you know is, is that, you know, I can make happy memories in any profession, in any, almost any circumstance, right?

Jannecke Øinæs 43:30

Yeah, because, uh, living a life of our wildest dreams is very individual. You know what that is? And I guess the starting point is finding out, okay, what does that mean for me? And I think many people are thinking one word, and that's money, like it stops money thing, which is, in many ways, controlling our world, right? It's sort of behind so much of our societies. And I've heard you say that money is not about labor time or even creativity, it's about being of service. So maybe it's a clue there. I would love for you to elaborate,

Jeffrey Allen 44:11

yeah, yeah. That's, um, that's not something I really knew growing up. It's just sort of something that I came to me over time when I after I moved to Sedona, and I was spending a lot of time every morning I would meditate. At the time, I was really excited about talking to my guides every morning, and to me, they it was just this group of spirits that I'd have a conversation with, just like I'm talking to you here. Was just, it was really clear and really direct and and at one time I asked him, I said, you know, why? Why am I here? This is after the, you know, when you first start tuning into intuition to like, to be totally honest, what you're likely to ask is all the things you just want, shortcuts and little cheat codes for your life, right? So you. Just want to know, like, I met this woman at work, does she like me? Should I ask her out? Is she going to say, yes, these are the kind of things you're actually going to ask your guys, right? It's not, it's not a big spiritual thing for most people. It's honestly, it just, you're just trying to get some cheap codes, right, and then you're like, How much money would my boss give me if I asked for this is like, this is what people this is what intuition honestly looks like. But, um, after some time, once you get past that, you start, you know, you started asking deeper questions. So I was asking my guides, like, why am I here? And they said, You're here to be of service. And I, I was really blown away, because in that moment, a whole bunch of emotions happened. One, I could feel the truth to it, but I also felt a little bit of embarrassment, because to me, service had always meant something that I received, like the service station, or I got service at a restaurant, or I never thought of myself as being of service even once in my life. So, like, you know, it's kind of embarrassing, and, but I could feel that this was true. So it's like that was one place where just a few words just kind of turned my world right side up, you know, I didn't even know it had been upside down. And, and then I tried this out over the years, like another meditation I was in the one morning I was meditating, and I told my guys, okay, so let's talk a little bit about money. I'd like to, I'm in this new career. I'd like to be making 100,000 a year, and then I'd like to give 10% of that away. That's, that's kind of my goal. So like, what can you tell me about this? And they're hilarious. They said, Okay, that's actually two goals. One is to make 100,001 is give 10,000 away, and you can accomplish half those goals today by just giving away $10,000 I'm like, no, no, no, that's that's not what I wanted to hear it all right, but this is what, this is what my intuition sounds like, right? It's always very honest. And so I'm like, okay, so what if I gave away $10,000 worth of healings? How about that? I don't want to just give away cash, because, you know, I'm sort of weaning off my old job, and that seems scary. They said, Yeah, good idea. They said, Okay, if you're going to do going to do that, the only change we would make is we'd say, give free healings to other healers, and then I could see the whole thing. So I made this project. It's called 100 healings, and I would give free healings to other healers, and then I would take their picture, and I'd put their photo, a little bio about them and a link to their or their contact information on my website. And this was, this is kind of early internet days. And what happened was, within a few months, if you typed anything in Google, if you typed acupuncture, Sedona, my website would come up the first page. If you typed massage Sedona, my website would come up. My website came up for everything, all the things that I didn't do, because I was updating with all the healers in Sedona, right? And so what happened was that made me very popular in Google, which brought me a lot of clients. And pretty soon I was making 100,000 a year. But I gave away first. I gave I gave away hundreds of healings first, and in return for the service I was providing, like, all this energy came back. And so I've tried that over and over on different scales, like, if I just give, you, know, whatever it is for you, whatever you love to give or share doesn't have to be physical. It could be your insights or knowledge or or it can be physical. You know, if you give that where there's a need, money will come back to you. Money is just a return on that investment of giving. And I, I love that way of thinking about money, and it really works. It's worked for decades in my life,

Jannecke Øinæs 49:07

and now I'll be the devil's advocate. What about those who give or give and give, give and give and give, and they're sort of givers, and they deplete themselves because they are giving away for free all the time, and they're not really taking care of themselves, and it gets an imbalance there. Like, how could we find that imbalance? Because I think a lot of people, especially healers and therapists and spiritual teachers, are giving a lot actually.

Jeffrey Allen 49:36

Yeah, that's a good point. So you do have to include yourself in that too. So you can't just give to others. You also need to be giving to yourself, and you need to set up a way that money can come back to you, right? So what, what I was doing was I had, I had a way people could sign up for a session with me. I. And pay money and then show up and talk to me for an hour, or come see me for an hour. We just manage healing in person. Or so there was a way for money to come back to me if you don't have that, if you're just like, if I was just giving and giving and giving, but I had no way for people to give me money back. Then the system is not going to work. So you do have to be available to receive as well, but you don't have to, like, like, I didn't do any marketing. I, you know, I, I didn't need to. I was just giving and giving, and the circulation came back.

Jannecke Øinæs 50:35

Yeah, Yeah, makes sense. Um, because I mean, ultimately, we're all one, so when you give to others, you give to yourself, and when you give to yourself, you also give to others. And I think it's, it's just that balance we need to have that balance. If you only give to yourself, you're not giving to others, and if you only give to others, you're not giving to yourself. So yeah,

Jeffrey Allen 50:58

but yeah, I can get where you're coming from, though, because it's, it's very true a lot of people, especially in relationships, somebody that really gives a lot is really attractive to somebody who likes to receive a lot. So a lot of times you'll see sort of givers and receivers pair up and and it's not, it's great for the receiver, it's not great for the giver. They're like, I've given everything I have, and then the person's like, Oh, thanks, that was awesome, and I'm just move on to somebody else who can give me more. Now, that was not a good relationship outcome, right? So you want to try to find somebody that's kind of compatible with you. If you're an over giver, just find another giver. Yeah, that'll be, that'll be a little more fun relationship for you.

Jannecke Øinæs 51:43

Yeah, I always go back to Buddha, who came to balance, that everything needs to have balance. And that makes so much sense to me, because I could also find myself that I was judging certain kind of people, maybe greedy people, or people who were business people in general. At one point I was judging them. I noticed that, and I wasn't able to earn money myself. And all of a sudden, when I saw the duality, and I was able to let go of the judgment. To some degree, I probably have some judgment still somewhere, but I judged less, and I could find my inner business woman. Then i i balanced it more, and then I saw that, wow. I mean, I need to find my inner business woman as well, and this judgment is not helping me. And when I did that, I started actually attracting more money when I find found a better balance. That was interesting. I mean, it seems like everything is about energy. Isn't it like everything?

Jeffrey Allen 52:45

Yeah, yeah. It's, well, everything's about energy and personal growth and just authenticity, finding ourselves being true to ourselves. You know, there's not it's not very complicated, but it seems complicated when we look around us, but that, you know, some things you said, like you said, you noticed that you were judging things, and then you just thought, okay, how can I release that judgment? So just that one tool right there, if you only have that one tool that will take you further than you can possibly imagine. You know, if we any, if we can just look at our own judgments without judging, our judgment, without thinking we're a bad person for judging and just saying, Okay, this is, you know, fear is kind of the same way fear and judgment. I can look and say, this is, this is a doorway that I can open to go somewhere I'm not able to go right now. This this judgment. I can look at it. I can open that up, move beyond that judgment and go somewhere that I'm on. A middle goal. There's a there's this fear. I can open that doorway up, go through that and into somewhere that I haven't been before. And if you do it with curiosity, knowing that it's going to work out sometimes, not others, then that's that's great. Just open lots of doors, right? But what we, what we tend to do instead, is we, we sit in one place and just sort of complain about or talk about all the all the doors around us that we can't seem to get through. And it's like, well, yeah, if you don't walk up and knock on it or open the door, you're not going to get through. But whose fault is that? Right? So just be a little bit more active. You know, get get through these things. It's it's not, it's not as hard as we make it.

Jannecke Øinæs 54:34

Yeah, and I think when you own your judgments more, you are aware of them, you accept them, then we don't get so afraid of being judged, either, because, hey, I know I own this. I see my own mistakes, I see my own shadows, to a degree that I can but then I'm not so afraid of other people's judgments, because I own them. Does that make sense?

Jeffrey Allen 55:01

Yeah, it totally makes sense. Yeah. And if somebody comes up and says, Hey, this, here's this judgment I have about you, it's really different conversation. If you go, yeah, I've got the judgment about me too, yeah, but I'm getting over it, getting over it. But, you know, people be like, What? What do you mean? I'm trying to insult you.

Jannecke Øinæs 55:28

Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's so many interesting parts of ourselves. And I was thinking the other day, gosh, I constantly try, in a way, to figure things out and to come to certain state or beingness, and there's always something new coming up in me, always something new to look at. And I'm forever like a work in progress, and it's just, I just have to surrender to it all. I can't control it. The next day, can look different. I don't know what's coming. So I think that just being in the flow and acceptance and and vulnerable and and humor is ingredients that I've found help.

Jeffrey Allen 56:11

Oh, that's great. And it's, it's a, you know, the journey of sort of knowing ourselves better is really beautiful journey, you know, like, just think about it, like, when you meet somebody new and you're, like, really excited about that person, attracted that person, and you don't know anything about them, you're curious, like you want to know about them. You want to know the good stuff the bad stuff, like, you want to discover everything you can about them. So treat yourself the same way you know, like, just, I'm excited to know me and find out those secret desires that I didn't know I had, or, you know, those judgments I didn't know I had, or whatever it is, just I'm excited to know more and more about this person that I love, which is myself, you know. And if you can have that same enthusiasm to your relationship with yourself, you'll see that just really expands. Yeah, there's one thing too that kind of popped into my head. I want to say it here is that we don't have to find balance on our own. So, like it's the goal isn't for me to become a perfectly balanced loner, right? So the goal is to interact with other people as well and to find balance together. So it's okay, you don't have to be strong at everything, because other people are strong at the things that you're you're weak at, and interestingly, you're strong in the places where they're weak. So there's this, you know, that we can have balance collectively without individually feeling like we achieved some perfect balance

Jannecke Øinæs 57:44

that makes sense. And to refer back to taking care of ourselves and self love, I want to ask you a question that I ask all my guests, and the first one is, what is self love to you, Jeffrey?

Jeffrey Allen 57:59

Self love is Gosh, I don't know. It's hard to put into words. I would say for me, self love is just non judgment. It's just seeing myself for who I am and being okay anyway, not just with who I am today, but with who I've been before, like, really, just cutting through all the the judgments that are there, and just saying I'm, I'm okay, like, I'm totally okay with myself, even the things that I've done that I regret, or that I'm, you know, I'd be embarrassed to Tell or that I think of as mistakes. It's okay. You know, I was there have been times when I was confused and in pain, and that pain and confusion spread to people around me. That's natural. We always do that. It's not beautiful. It does not something I want to do, but we all do it, and it's okay, you know? So self love, I think, is, is getting past that judgment of in that sense that maybe I'm a bad person, or just kind of seeing through all that, and just seeing you're just everybody is such a beautiful, amazing soul inside, and it's okay that we have painful experiences and patterns, and we spread those around and bounce them off each other. That's it's actually okay. It's nice. If we're trying to turn it down and do it less, that's nice. That's admirable, but it's okay that we have, we have pain too.

Jannecke Øinæs 59:36

And what is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective?

Jeffrey Allen 59:40

Uh, deeper meaning of life is probably that there's less meaning than we think. The deep meaning of life is that it doesn't really matter what you're doing, right? So it matters like. How you're experiencing your life. You know how you're you know for me, am I? Am I leaning into something that feels like more for me, more more of me. Not more like, more money, more things, but more giving, where I can show up more where I can be more present. You know that's, that's the deeper meaning for me.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:00:26

And I think your wife had a beautiful phrase or sentence that she taught you. I, I saw it somewhere. It's not what you do is how you do it was that correct?

Jeffrey Allen 1:00:38

Oh, probably, yeah, I need those really wise things. You probably heard from her.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:00:43

Well, it made sense to me. I thought it was so beautiful. Well, it's been super inspiring. Jeffrey, and I'd love to hear a bit about your work at the end. Now wrapping up, you have a course called awakening your spirit mind. Could you share a bit about that and what we can change?

Jeffrey Allen 1:01:00

So awakening your spirit mind is it's really my wife, Hisamis work. So when I, when I met her, and I started, you know, I said I got an interpreter, started listening to her classes, and I just thought, wow, I need to help her get this to the rest of the world, like she's teaching this in Japan, but I want to get this out to everybody that I know, too. And so we teamed up. And it's this really fascinating blend of this simple, amazing, deep wisdom that she holds, and me trying to understand that with, you know, strong sort of intellectual mind. And so it's a it's this really unique journey that you go on where you get this, this straight feeling and energy from Isami we show, like, visuals and graphics and music and and so you're really just getting it just right directly into your soul. And then you've got me going, Okay, what was happening there, exactly. So let's talk about that a little bit right, sort of trying to break it down and like, and I tell my stories, like, here's what I thought he saw me meant at first, and then later I realized she meant this, and then I realized that that was completely wrong too, and she's actually talking about something completely different, and and it's fun. So it's kind of it talks to both, both of these minds that we're developing. You know, you saw me, talks directly to the spirit mind. I'm helping work with the material mind and say it's, it's okay that you feel like things are kind of shrinking and turning down for you, it's okay, like, and in the end, the goal of the program is to sort of bring them together. So it's not about turning one thing off turning another one. It's just like, let's take our material mind. It's we're used to, overthinking, trying too hard, figuring it all out, judging things ourselves, all this stuff that goes in our brain. Let's bring that inside the space of spirit mind. And because when it's in that space, all of a sudden it feels safe, feels full of love, and all of a sudden it can thrive. And so you go from having this overworked, tired brain to feeling like, wow, I'm I'm using my brain in it in a really powerful way, without that stress or without that fatigue or sort of tension that I had before. So, yeah, it's, that's probably the best way I can describe it,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:03:25

yeah, yeah. It sounds like an interesting program. I was interested in it too.

Jeffrey Allen 1:03:30

Really unique, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:03:34

And if people want to connect with you in other ways, how can they do so where are you on social media?

Jeffrey Allen 1:03:41

Sure. Yeah, you can find me on Instagram or Facebook. It's just, uh, I am Jeffrey Allen. So just add I am Jeffrey Allen, or you can go to im Jeffreyallen.com and you'll see both. You know, the big, two big programs I have right now are the one with Mindvalley, which is really just straight up energy work and energy tools, and the one that I have with Hisami, my wife, which is really about, you know, the evolution that we're going through as souls, and how to do that in a beautiful, graceful way. If the second one really is calling to you, can also just go to spiritmind.com and just get directly into into that channel too

Jannecke Øinæs 1:04:17

Lovely. Thank you so much for coming to the showJeffrey, it was wonderful with you, and thank you for our conversation today.

Jeffrey Allen 1:04:24

That was really fun. Yeah, thank you so much.