What if Your Life is a repeated reality? With Anthony Peake

Anthony Peake 0:00

Clearly, something extraordinary takes place when we die. Death actually is a process. The brain remains active up to 30 minutes after the body's dead. But the point of death the two hemispheres split apart and become two completely separate personalities. It's been proved time and time and time again. Just look up split brain operations. Guess what? They ended up with literally two completely and utterly different people. We live in a simulation of our lives, and within the simulation, every outcome of every thing you can do is already programmed in there. There could be part of you that knows you're living your life again and uses that information from your previous lives to guide you through this life. In order to really be effective within this simulation, we're not to know, because if we really knew, our behaviors would be different. If somebody once said to me a top guide, you really need to be careful. Somebody's going to pop you. You're getting so close to the truth, you need to be careful.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:04

Anthony Peake a warm welcome back to the show.

Anthony Peake 1:08

Wonderful. I'm so delighted to be back chatting with you.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:11

I'm excited to dive deep with you today. I interviewed you many years ago, and then I discovered that you have just come out with a new book, near death experiences, the science behind the phenomenon on of near death experiences. And before that, you have written no less than 12 books, and you are an independent researcher. You apply science to everything mystical. And from what I understand, this all came out from you being very curious your whole life about the metaphysical, and also through having a lot of Deja veas that you also wrote a book about. So I'm curious to hear a little bit about your story, how you, as a former businessman as well, got into this field,

Anthony Peake 2:05

right? Well, well, for me, I suppose, ever since my childhood, the most important questions are the really big questions. You know, we can discuss about following soccer, we can discuss about our favorite movies and our favorite music, and they're both areas I'm massively interested in but for me, the reason for my existence is trying to understand why I exist. And even as a very long young child, I was fascinated by the idea of what exactly am I? I'm this sentient, something that is locked in this meat machine. But there's more to me than that. And what happened was, in 1966 I had a bout of double pneumonia, and I had a series hallucinations when that took place, which even for my 12 year old mind, the it was intriguing, because I was thinking, I'm seeing things now that I know are not actually out there, but they're real. They seem to me to be real. And when I recovered, and funnily enough, that was the only time I think I've ever been really seriously ill in my life. Touch wood. Don't want to attempt things. But I then started researching the subject. But because I have a very, what I believe to be a very rational, logical mind, I wanted to approach it from a very logical, rational, scientific way. So when I had the opportunity to go to university in the early 1970s I distinct. I deliberately chose my degree course to do a double degree. So I did a degree in sociology and a degree in history. The reason being that I believed that it would give me a historical perspective of how ideas develop, how cultures have certain ideas about out of body, experiences, near death, experiences, hallucinations, witchcraft, these kind of things. But also I wanted to do sociology, because I wanted to understand the sociological aspects of the phenomenon and these experiences. And I was fortunate in the degree I did really gave me an excellent grounding in that. So over the years, I then did postgraduate in business studies and things like that as well. So I had a business career which was comparatively successful, but I always wanted to write. I always had this great need to get my ideas down in some way. And although I was I was acting as an international business guy, I would talk to people continually about their experiences, and the more and more I discovered, the more and more intrigued I became, because it was self evident that there are so many experiences that human beings have that cannot be explained by our modern scientific model of understanding. These experiences are real. They're real to them, and therefore they are real. So the question is, what is really good? Going on neurologically, psychologically, neurochemically. And there was one particular phenomenon that I've experienced all my life that I particularly thought was the most intriguing of them all, and that was deja vu, that sensation that you find yourself in a set of circumstances, and you know, you've done it before, and to me, that was the most peculiar feeling. Now, I didn't know at the time, but it's linked to a neurological condition I have. Was not really well, it is a neurological condition called classic, classical migraine. And you know, it's, it's fairly common out there, and a lot of people do experience it, but migraine, classic migraine that is migraine with aura. That is migraine when you know you're going to have a migraine headache because you you've your senses change. You have strange feelings. You taste things differently. You you itch is my fingers start to tingle. For example, I start to slur my words. In fact, I had a migraine attack only three days ago where, literally, I couldn't speak properly. The words would not come out, or they didn't come out in order. And I thought, well, what is going on here? And one of the things that was linked is deja vu sensations. If you read up the books on classic migraine, you will discover that one of what's called the programs, which are the things that make people be able to diagnose the fact that you have classic migraine was a deja vu sensations. People can't regularly report that before I have a deja before I have a migraine headache, I will have profound deja vu. And that's where I started off with. So my first book really was initially an attempt to understand deja Vea, and as they say, the rest is history now, 13 books later,

Jannecke Øinæs 6:49

right. And now you've dived into near death experiences, so I'll just go right to it. What happens when we die, Anthony?

Anthony Peake 6:59

right. A billion dollar question, and something I've it features in all my 13 books, clearly, something extraordinary takes place when we die. It's the most common thing possible within the world. Everybody will die at some stage. All living beings will die at some stage. As somebody once jokingly said, death and taxes the only things that you can really be sure of. But for me, death is the great mystery, but it's something that people don't like talking about. They like to pretend that it's not going to happen to them. It's death is something that happens to other people. And in order to get round the mystery of death and what is going on. Putting my sociologists hat on, of course, this is why we create religion. We create religion to give us a model of understanding of the universe that can account for the fact of mortality, and the idea, according to religions, most religions, that when you die, you will go somewhere else. And there are two elements of of all of us, the physical body and the spirit, or the soul or the the non physical side of ourselves. And the argument is that that non physical side continues after we die, it's just that we can't measure it and we don't know what it is. Now in my latest book, I go into great detail about what we mean when we use the word life, how we scientifically define what something is to be living. I then define what we mean by consciousness, what we mean when we talk about that. That's something that is looking out of our eyes, the seemingly inside our head, that we call me or I, and what is that? Where does that come from? Is it literally just an epiphenomenon? As the philosophers and the scientists would say, of brain, what the brain does, in other words, personality and consciousness is literally just what the brain does. But a moment's reflection will make you realize that that doesn't make any sense, because the brain is a physical object. It's made of matter. It's made of atoms. It's made of molecules. And inside the electromagnetic fields, or fields of energy. So the fields of energy come together in such a way with the physical matter to create something that's completely non physical, because one of the major mysteries of consciousnesses and awareness is it's non physical. It has no extension in space. You cannot measure consciousness. People would argue, well, yes, you can. You can use an EEG scanner on the brain, and you. Can use fMRI scans and everything else, and you will see activity in the brain, but that's activity in a similar way, Analogously, to opening up the back of an old fashioned radio, when you see the valves lighting up as the radio signal is received. But the radios, the radio studio that's doing the transmission is not inside the radio, just like a whole TV studio is not inside the TV, but by using that analogy of saying that consciousness is in the brain, you're making the same category error. You're making the same philosophical error that somebody who believes that there's a whole TV studio inside their television, or there's little men talking inside their radio. So clearly there is something more to how the brain creates consciousness. And so that was the second section. We can go back into this in great we go back to any of these areas in greater detail, if you want. Then the third area I have is, what is death? What do we mean when we define death? And believe me, it is not as clear cut as people generally believe, particularly with a number of recent discoveries that have been made in neurology, which I will discuss later on, which are profound importance, which led to leads us to believe that death actually is a process that lasts over a long time, both before and after. What we genuinely believe is brain death. There's been research done in recent years that has discovered that the brain remains active up to 30 minutes after the body's dead. The brain is still firing. The brain is still doing things so clearly, do we mean death by bodily death, or do we mean brain death? Or do we mean the dress of death of brain activity? When we've addressed all of those, which I do in great detail, we then have to decide, okay, so what are near death experiences? Then now, near death experiences really became popular way back in the I think it was probably the early 1970s something like that. I can't remember off the top of my head, but a guy called Raymond Moody wrote a book called Life after life, and in this he described case after case of individuals who had been very close to death in either in accidents or illness or everything else, who'd stated that when they started to die, strange things happened to their perceptions. They felt that time was slowing down. They felt that they were leaving their body. They were having an out of body experience. They had a sense of a light that they were moving towards. They had something called a panoramic life review, where they saw the whole of their lives flashing flash in front of their eyes, other people. Then when they died, they they met dead relatives. They met people that had died. Now Moody's book was very important. It was very, very popular. But you start to look into the history of this experience and the anthropology that is different cultures to European and American cultures, you find that the same experience is reported in virtually every other culture on earth. And not only that, it has been reported through history. You know, the very first recorded near death experiences we describe was cited by the ancient Greeks in something called the myth of er, a guy, his name was E, R, er, where he died in a battle, and when he died, he saw his dead relatives. He went to heaven. He saw all these things to find himself waking up on the battlefield, coming back to life. But my research, no my research and my readings, because effectively, there's a people far more know far more about this than I do, particularly the anthropologists that have done research like there's a guy called Gregory Shushan in America that's writing about near death experiences in ancient cultures. You can go right back now, much earlier than the ancient Greeks. You can go back to the Zoroastrians in Persia. You can go back to ancient China. I've had, I've discovered cases now, of Near Death Experiences recorded in ancient Japan. So clearly, this is a genuine thing that takes place. So modern science will always argue, well, yes, it is, but it's just an hallucination. You know, you will hear this all the time, near death experience, it's an hallucination. And I've argued, I call this idiopathic science. Idiopathic is is a term used by medical people whereby, if you don't understand an illness that somebody has or the symptoms they have, you you give it what's called an idiopathic name, like idiopathic epilepsy. See is when somebody clearly has all the symptoms of epilepsy, but the doctors don't know what's causing it. And I call it idiopathic science, because idiopathic science is that we can explain these extraordinary phenomenon that people experience by just giving it the catch all phrase of an hallucination. So you dismiss it, so you glibly pretend that you've explained it by calling it an hallucination. But in fact, you haven't. All you've done is given it a label. You know that's all you've done. Because nobody knows what causes hallucinations, just like nobody knows how inanimate brain matter can create you and I, but the big question is, then, how does that inanimate matter create and hallucination that IT projects from the eyes and the ears out into the outer world that we perceive and believe is real. And this is so important, when people have near death experiences, they go somewhere else and it is so real, they believe it's real. It's not like a dream. It's much more real than that. So the question I then ask, the question is, well, if we believe that the place somebody goes when they have a near death experience or take hallucinogenic substances is not real. Why do we believe that the reality we think is real is real.

because the same processes that take place that creates dreaming and creates hallucinations is the same processes in the brain that create this visual world that we exist within. The brain is still creating from information it's receiving through the senses. It's internally creating a model of reality that we think is real. And indeed, people who believe that what is out there is what is really out there are called Naive realists. That's the term that is used to describe them. So I argue that. So what is really taking place when we have these hallucinations? Indeed, people I know, I interview a lot of people who've had near death experiences out of body experiences and psychedelic substances. And there's been some fascinating research done recently at Imperial College in London. Now this is something that's been done by, I think, a guy called Robert Carhartt Harris, I think, is the guy involved in it. And what they this is quite fascinating. They had a group of people take psilocybin. You know, psilocybin is magic mushrooms. And when you take psilocybin, you have these incredibly vivid hallucinations, hallucinations in race, commas again, and you go into a world that seems to be a facsimile, the facsimile world like this. And what they wanted to know was, how does the brain do this? Which parts of the brain do what at that time? So what they did was they had volunteers take psilocybin, and then they put them in a brain scanner, really effective brain scanner, to see what bits of the brain do, what when people start hallucinating? Now, what they expected was to see that the brain became less communicative with each other. The sections of the brain that normally communicate suddenly stop communicating. So there's a breakdown in how the normal brain works, and because of that, the brain starts to confabulate the reality around because it's not communicating properly. What they found was the complete opposite. They found that when people are hallucinating or when people are having these experiences, the brain communicates far more effectively. The Brain suddenly start signaling all round, as if it's working together, all the sections of the brain working together to create this alternate reality. Now this caused huge questions about how hallucinations work and how the brain works. And then a few years ago, there was a fascinating incident where a guy, while his brain was being scanned, he fell asleep and he dreamt he was playing tennis, and when he did so, the brain scan kicked off, showing certain parts of the brain that lit up when somebody was dreaming playing tennis. When he came to one of the researchers said, Wouldn't it be interesting to have you actually play tennis, and we can scan your brain to see the differences between a dream sequence of playing tennis and an actual game of tennis. They were exactly the same. Now that means that when you are dreaming. Doing something, it is exactly the same as when you are actually doing it. So suddenly, the question of what is real and what isn't suddenly becomes far more intriguing, and suddenly this idea of hallucination suddenly starts to dissolve, and the assuredness that materials reductionist Sciences has about these things, and some of the work that's being done now with substances such as Dimethyltryptamine, which is a very powerful hallucinogenic substance, DMT, there's research again, being done at Imperial College, where volunteers are taking DMT intravenously, so they're going into the laboratory, and they're injecting it into their veins under controlled conditions, totally legally, and they're reporting what happens to them, and what they're discovering is astonishing. One of my associates, who's a university lecturer, is one of the volunteers, and he was telling me that when he went into the the DMT stage. It's called the DMT cage. Now, anybody who's taken DMT will tell you that the reality you go to is more real than this one when you come back, it's this one that feels like the dream you go to a place that's and many people say that when you go and take DMT for the first time, you have this incredible feeling of, I'm back there again. I'm back where I came from. That's the dream I've just come from. So they go to, they take, he took the DMT, and he finds himself in this place, and this entity, this alien, wants a better term, like a classical UFO Alien, but it's more like a mantis. It's more insectoid. And it comes over to him, and it prods him on the shoulder and says to him, you shouldn't be doing it this way. This is not the way you need to be doing it. And it went backwards again. And when he came back down from the trip, he said he thought, he said to his friends, that's really weird. This alien spoke to me. This entity spoke to me. Two weeks later, he goes back in the laboratory, gets injected, goes into the same space, and the same alien came over and said, I told you last time, this is not how you should do it. And as he said to me, and as he said to me, when I've interviewed him because of my own podcast, I've interviewed this guy, he said, you know that that being was expecting me, it was waiting for me. It had independence of me. It wasn't part of my it wasn't a brain created dream. He was in a real place that I went to and interacted with him and came back. So then in my new book, I'm now interested in thinking, well, what are the overlaps between near death experiences DMT and drug hallucinogenic substance experiences and UFO encounters? And I believe they're all linked. And again, at the end of this month, I'll be doing, for the fourth time, a huge, the world's biggest UFO event in Southern California, called contact in the desert, where I'll be giving a workshop, a lecture and an intensive on the subjects I'm talking about now,

Jannecke Øinæs 23:20

There was something you have been speaking about that I just want you to speak about, because I find it so interesting you spoke about, also the concept and the mystery around time and how when we pass over, how I interpreted what you said was that, well, those who have Near Death Experiences, they often have this life review, experiencing their lives. But what if they're actually living their lives all over again and experiencing their law their lives as is happening in normal time? And what if we are living, living our lives again and again, with different choices. I would just love for you to speak about that that

Anthony Peake 24:05

is exactly my cheating the ferryman hypothesis. It's exactly what my model of near death experiences has come to the conclusion is taking place.

Jannecke Øinæs 24:16

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Anthony Peake 24:57

and if you are in that situation. Where you are living your life again. That explains deja vu, doesn't it? Because if you've lived it before, there will be not once, but many times, like you and I have done this interview, many, many, many, many times in different lives, but the same life as you and I, not as different people. So there will be a time when you will come to a set of circumstances where you remember you've done that before. Now, the actual technical definition of a deja vu was coined by a guy called Vernon nepe, who's a psychiatrist in Seattle in North America, and I'm paraphrasing here, but its definition is something along the lines of a deja vu is a memory of something that's happened in your past at an indefinite time. Because, of course, that's the thing about deja vu. When people say deja vu all over and over again. That's not correct, because Deja Vu is not you knowing you're doing something again. It's you sensing that you've done something again, but you don't know when it was. Now my associate professor, Dr art Funko Arthur Funkhouser, who is a quantum physicist by background, but is also a Jungian analyst. He coined the phrase deja VEC who, which is far more accurate, which means already lived. So you're not having a deja vu sensation which is already seen. You're having a deja vu which is already lived now you are so on the ball there with your analysis, by the way, because it's incredible. These are exactly from the information you were just describing there about near death experiences and the panoramic life review. They from those exact sequences. Is how I built my cheating the ferryman hypothesis was picking on exactly the same elements you picked up on there. So people, when they have near death experiences, one of the major traits is the panoramic life review. I saw my life flash before my eyes, but the other major one is the time dilation effect, where they feel that that as they're dying, it's taking forever. It's as if time just disappears or expands outwards. And I argue that the time expands outwards for you in order for you to accommodate, in a real death experience, you reliving your life again. Because in a near death experience, remember, people say My life flashed before my eyes. And I believe that's because it's almost like because you're you're not going to die. The metaphorically, the Fast Forward is pressed and suddenly you and you have it much more quickly. Not only that, but we'll touch upon this later. I even know who's responsible for that fast forwarding. It's your higher self, something I call the daemon. Because remember, if you live your life again, and this is of profound importance, if you're living your life again, there could be part of you that knows you're living your life again and uses that information it has from your previous lives to guide you through this life. And that's the daemon. Do you ever have that voice in your head warning you and saying, shouldn't do this? This person feels wrong or this circumstance feels wrong? I argue that's your daemon, that's that's the that's your universal you, that's the you that's lived many lives. It's your spirit guide, but it is you, and this is how your spirit guide, this is how spirit guides, or people who are telepathic or precognitive, can see the future, because it's not them, it's their daemon, because the daemon sees the future because it's already lived it. So for the daemon, it's a memory. So it's describing a memory of something it's already experienced. Now funnily enough, I was having a fascinating conversation with a young Chinese American lady earlier today, and she was discussing about her experiences, because I met her in contact in the desert last year, and her daemon talks to her continually. Her daemon warns her about things. It gets her into situations that she doesn't even understand how she's got in them, until something happens to make her realize that the daemon has got her there. Now, also, three or four weeks ago, I was contacted out of the blue by one of the world's top gynecologists. He's a Greek guy. He's a professor of gynecology in Athens travels the world. He's an expert in IVF and everything. He was telling me that he was in a bookshop in Athens about a month ago, and while he was in the bookshop, he was, he's interested in classical. Greek mythology, and something called the mysteries, the Eleusinian mysteries, which is an area I'm quite interested in as well, which can be linked to near death experiences, by the way. And he's in this bookshop, and he's looking for a particular book on classical Greek and he sees a pile of books in the corner of the bookshop. This is exactly how he described it to me. And he said he saw a book at the top of the books, and his daemon, who's been with him all his life, talks him, said, You need to read that book. And he went over and he picked it up, and it was the Greek translation of my first book in Greek. And he picked it up and he started reading it, and he said, Oh, my God, this is astonishing. I need to speak to this guy, so he contacted me. Now this is because when people come across my work, when they like you've already grasped it, when you understand what I'm trying to say, a little light goes on in your head, and it's recognition, and it's going, Yeah, this makes sense. Like, for example, people will argue that reincarnation, and they'll argue that Deja Vu is an example of past lives. I argue, no, it can't be, because if you have a deja vu now of this experience, you're sitting in front of a computer screen wearing 21st Century clothing. You're talking to me, wearing 21st Century clothing. If your Deja Vu was of a past life, you'd be wearing 19th century clothing, 18th century clothing. The scene would be completely different. In order for a deja vu to be a recognition of something you've done in the past, it has to be virtually identical to so in which case, if you go to an old building and you sense you've been there before, you're sensing the circumstances of the building, not as it was 200 years ago. And that's so important, because remember, you won't have known the building as it looks now. It would have looked different. The walls would have been painted differently. Everything would have been different. So to me, days, the explanation of deja vu, that it is a proof of record reincarnation, doesn't work. It doesn't mean that I don't believe in past lives, by the way. What it means is and this, again, in my second to last book, cheating the fairy. When I explained this, remember, I mentioned that being the daemon, which is the being that's lived all your lives with you, your higher self, I believe that within each life, there is a singular creature that lives one life, which is called an Eidolon. And the Eidolon is like when you play a computer game. You start a computer game, you switch the computer game on, and on screen, you have an on screen figure that you maneuver, don't you in the virtual world to play the game. Now, if that game is a kind of an adventure, every time you switch the game on and play the game, it's likely that your on screen creature might get killed. So it only lives once, and I believe we live in what is, in effect, a simulation of our lives. And within the simulation, every outcome of every thing you can do is already programmed in there. Okay, so the daemon plays your game many times, your game of life. What Connors does in the movie Groundhog Day. You know where he lives, many, many days, and there's many lives. In fact, the Russian language edition of my first book is called groundhog life in recognition of the similarities so but imagine that there's the daemon, but above the daemon is another consciousness, which I call the Uber daemon. And the Uber daemon is effectively the singular consciousness of all humanity. And it's a being in exactly the same way as we are, and it has the memories of every single human being that's ever lived. It's what Young would call the collective unconscious, and the I called it the Uber Damon. And I believe that what happens is when you have past live reviews, or yet when you have past life memories, or you're you feel you've been reincarnated, or you're hypnotized back to a past life, your consciousness moves up from the Eidolon through the daemon into the godamon, and it's able to access the memories of the Uber daemon, the collective unconscious, in which case you can go back into the mind of a 17th century Dutch peasant,

and you can see the world and experience that world for a few seconds under hypnotism. Doesn't mean it was you, but it means it was a real life. And then I argue that above that, although I can't do the science of this for obvious reasons, there's something I call the godamon and the godamont. Is literally what the Kabbalists would call the or aim SOF, what the vedantists call Brahman. It's literally the consciousness of everything. It's the information field that everything runs on. It's like the mainframe computer that the universe runs upon. And I believe that we are just reduced emanations from the Uber the godamon, to the Uber day, to the godamon to the Uber Damon, to the daemon, to the Eidolon. So either on wildlife, daemon, many lives, godamon, all lives, Uber daemon, all lives. Gotam on everything now, again you may remember, and many people out there will probably recall this. It was a very famous comedy sketch by the American comedian Bill Hicks, and he's trying to be funny, but it's very clever, and he's a newscaster, and he's playing a newscaster, and he turns around and he says, breaking news, young man on acid realizes that all matter is just energy slowed down to walking pace, and we are all one consciousness, experiencing ourselves subjectively. Now let's go over to bill for the weather. And it's very cleverly done, but that is the greatest truth, I think. And I from what my involvement with esoteric societies and occult groups, occult groups contact me all the time, and they turn around and said, My God, do you know you're actually doing the science of the things we believe? And they keep telling me this. They keep saying somebody's going to shoot you because you've already got it. You've this is what we believe, and you're doing the science of it because, you know, in occult society, what they're trying to do is to contact the higher self. It's the whole central concept is finding the higher self so you can manipulate it, or finding other entities, what I call Egregores, other consciousnesses that you can manipulate in one way or another to do your bidding. But they all believe the same thing, that ultimately, we are one. We are all one. You know, in Christianity, it says, find the Christ within, within Sufism, within the esoteric traditions of Islam, they have the same concept. I was invited to speak at a Sufi monastery in Northern Cyprus many years ago, because when a group of Sufis came across my work, they were saying, This is wonderful. Then I get a message from a Buddhist monk in Thailand, in Australia a few years ago, and he messaged me, and he said, Do you know you're doing the science of Buddhism? And I think this is why you know we were talking earlier on about the way in which my work, I feel sometimes things go wrong and things lock and there's it's because of this.

Jannecke Øinæs 37:54

You mean our technical problems? Is that? What? Yeah, yeah, we had a few technical problems, like we couldn't record before 20 minutes, like it just got black and we didn't understand why.

Anthony Peake 38:06

Yeah, and everybody who's watched a number of my videos over the years, Hey guys, it's the archons again. And you know, there'll be a number of people watching this will be going, Oh, it's Anthony Peake and it's the Archons. It happens all the time, but I genuinely believe it's because, in some way, you know, the argument that if we are living in a simulation or in a program or something like in the matrix, what if somebody comes along within that program and has cracked it, what would the program think about that? It wouldn't like it. And I just, and I'm not being vain here, because I'm being slightly silly, but the idea is, I do seem to have cracked it. And everybody who comes to my work, without exception, will initially approach it. And I get scientists who come to my work, you know, and they'll go, now, what you write is a load of rubbish, but they've not actually read it, and as soon as they start to read it, you can see their mind changing, and they're going, this is what you mean. And suddenly a look of shock on their face, and they go, Oh my god, this is extraordinary. And I believe it's because we all subliminally know this is the truth. We all know this. The daemon inside ourselves knows that what I'm writing is correct, and everybody senses it in different ways. I mean, I now have people who've contacted me through their daemons, their daemons contact me. I got an email from a guy in America from his daemon.

Jannecke Øinæs 39:36

Can I just ask the expression Damon to me a bit. You don't mean demon. It's

Anthony Peake 39:44

no, my terminology is always very precise. I don't just pick phrases out and words out, D, A, E, M, O, N. Is from Greek, okay, and it's originally it's the idea of the your guiding spirit, the daemon. In ancient Greek times, Socrates had a daemon, for instance. And if you read the life of Socrates, his daemon used to talk to him all the time. It used to guide him. So the ancient Greeks called it a daemon, okay? And when the Christians came into power, they literally demonized the name daemon and used it for negative for nasty entities, which I argue probably do exist, but they're not daemons in the way I understand them to be the same is with the word Eidolon. You know, I use the word Eidolon for the part of us that just lives one life that is again from ancient Greek. And the Eidolon has the same root word as idol, i, d, O, L, and it's a kind of an image, like an idol that could just exist once it's a facsimile of something else. And I argue the Eidolon is a facsimile of the daemon. But they work together. They they are, they are, what I call it the dyad, the daemon ADOL on dyad, and they work together. And in a normal life, they work together till just before the point of death. And at the point of death they split, so as you start to die, literally, it's an equivalent of, you know, the brain. The brain has two hemispheres, the right and left hemisphere, and they're joined by something called the corpus callosum, which sits in the middle, I argue, at the point of death, the two hemispheres, or something slightly more tangible, which I'll go into detail in a second, split apart. And by splitting apart, they become two completely separate personalities. Now again, people will turn around to me say, how can you prove that? And I can say it's been proved time and time and time again. Just look up split brain operations that took place between the 1950s to the 1970s particularly the writings and work of somebody called Roger Sperry and a guy called Michael gazzaniger. They did a series of operations where they cut the corpus callosum of people who had intractable epilepsy. And whenever they did this, guess what, they ended up with two personalities, literally two personalities, two completely and utterly different people. Now this is because the daemon and the ADOL have split. Now, one of my friends who has epilepsy, she did something called the WADA test many years ago. And what the WADA test is that you inject sodium amytal into the carotid artery here. And what it does is it deadens the dominant hemisphere. It deadens what ordinarily is the left hemisphere of the brain. And she explained to me, she said, as my left hemisphere started to die or started to switch off, I felt my personality changing. I felt a completely different person rise up from the darkness into me. And this person was wise. This person knew far more than I did, but was me,

Jannecke Øinæs 43:05

could that be a walk in other people talk about walk ins. Could that

Anthony Peake 43:12

I write about walk ins in a number of my books, and I am aware, are you? Are you Danish or Norwegian? Norwegians All right, did you do you know the guy, idrida indridison? No, okay, I'll just tell you this as Messiah, because you're going to love this one. I mentioned this in one of my books. Indrider Indridison was an Icelandic medium, 1904 1905 he was very famous. And in rekovic, he used to do regular seances. Okay, one evening, he's doing the seance, and he has a drop in. Now, just to be technical for everybody out there, you obviously know about a drop in. It's when something else drops into the mind from somewhere else. So what he's doing, he's channeling, he's doing whatever he's doing, talking to the spirits. And suddenly he stops, and his voice changes, and he's going, hello, and he turns around, and he says, right, I just want to tell you I'm watching a fire now in Copenhagen. And everybody's going, what he said, yeah, there's a fire. I live in a place called princes Gratz, the main street in Copenhagen, and there's a huge fire across the way from where I am, and the fire and then he goes, he goes, Oh, the fire brigade have turned up. And then it disappears from and he said, I'll come back later. And he was like, it was like having a phone call, and indriderson goes, comes to and everybody's looking and saying, You just had a drop in. And it was a guy from Copenhagen saying he was watching a fire, and he said he's going to come back so injuries. And said, Well, let's see what happens. And about two hours later, he goes and the guy's back again, and he said, Yeah, they put the fire out. Now, really exciting, and I was really watching it, they said, and they said, Well, who are you? And he said his name was, whatever it was. Can't remember the name now, and he said, but I'm dead. I'm watching. I'm a ghost watching from across the road. It's the apartment I used to live in. So in those days, you didn't have communication, like telephones and things to places like Iceland. So they had to wait for three or four days for the newspapers to come from Copenhagen on the on the steamers, and they came in, and lo and behold, on that very night, there was a fire in exactly where the entity said there was now this fascinated erlander Haraldsson, who was professor of psychology at the University of Reykjavik, and around about nine or 10 years ago into haroldson took himself off to the records in Copenhagen to find out whether this guy really lived, really existed. He did, and he lived in the apartment he described he was in. Now, to me, that is one of the most extraordinary stories I've ever come across, and I think that's the first time I've mentioned it in an interview, because, to me, it suggests that was that a disembodied daemon living in a kind of timeless place, and the daemon had decided not to move on in some way and have become grounded to that location. Because I argue that these entities, and I've written extensively about entities as well, which, if you're interested in what could talk about, but I think that what happens is that they exist in orthogonal time. They exist in the fifth dimension of space time. So they exist in a space that you know the idea of dimension. So you have a line, which is one dimension, then you have two, which you can create a square, then you have three, which can create a cube, then you have four, which can create what's called a tesseract, which is a hypercube. So these are all dimensions of space time. But if you bring in time, the Tesseract moves through time, and somebody in a fifth dimension can see everything at once. They're in they're outside of normal space time, so their time is not like ours. Now, again, this was tried to be depicted in a movie in interstellar watch it. It's really superb. In it, there is something called the Tesseract sequence, and it's the main character, Cooper, and he's looking at the life of his daughter from outside space time, so he can look into her life. And they have this imagery of all her life happening at the same moment. And I believe that this is the viewpoint, definitely of the Uber daemon, and which means that it can see everything that's taking place all at the same time, which means they're in a timeless place. There's no time. Time is different there. So could it be that this entity, this daemon, or Uber daemon, had decided not to move on. It wanted to just hang around. Or it just dipped in, you know, that was hanging around in hyperspace, and it thought, I'll just dip in now. And happened to dip in in this place that it's either on, used to live. And then it goes, Oh, that I could have some fun here. And it puts out a message. And it's, it realizes that there's this medium in rekordec, and goes, I can speak through him. Soon it goes in and then starts saying, guess what, guys, I'm watching this fire because it was almost like a joke. You know, the entity was having fun. Now I argue in my book The Hidden Universe, I have a model of how these entities function, what they are, what they're doing, how they're manifest. And again, I think if you read all my books, you will find, I know this sounds vain. I am not a vain guy, believe me, people who know me know I'm not. I'm just enthusiastic. But in all my books, I can explain everything. Every single one of your previous guests will be describing things that happen to them. I can explain every single one you starting with science, starting with logic, not starting with kind of crazy woo, woo stuff. I can say, Look, there's the science here. We know about non locality in quantum mechanics. We know about the collapse of the wave function in quantum mechanics. We know how recent research has shown that subatomic particles can be in two places at the same time. We know this. So it is a question of just applying what quantum mechanics are telling us. And believe me, in my books, I really do the quantum mechanics. I'm not somebody that just turns around and has a vague knowledge of these things. I really do know quite a lot about them, and I spend time talking to people who are quantum mechanics and and astrophysicists. So I make it my business to really, really understand this. This is why nobody in science will engage with me. They're scared of me. Yeah. And they really don't want to.

Jannecke Øinæs 50:02

I mean, they're so missing out, I feel like, but I do believe we are in a time where the bridge is being built and getting stronger and I mean, just from this, I have a gazillion questions. I just want to bring it back to you and me, and as me as an example for everybody watching. So I haven't had many deja vu in my life, but I had a deja vu when I met my fiance's mother, and that was, you know, a moment when, when you meet the mother, right? And I was just like on their cabin. I've experienced this before, and my question is, so, how many times may I have experienced that life, or my life and also deja vus? Do they happen on significant moments in your life?

Anthony Peake 50:53

No, that's the intriguing thing that my research and readings on deja vu, by the way, there are 72 different different explanations of deja vu, scientifically and psychologically. Mine is one of them. It's featured to those. There was a book written a few years ago on deja vu, an academic book my, one of mine that was in the But effectively, the idea is, how many times can you live this life? Well, funnily enough, I interviewed a getter like this. I interviewed Danny Rubin, who was the guy that wrote Groundhog Day, the movie. He was the scriptwriter. He's the guy that had the idea. And I asked Danny, and I said, with Connors, when he lives the same day over and over again, how many days did you plan it to be, and he said around about 6000 because he argued that that is the only way you could, you could follow as many paths of your life as you possibly can. Because I believe that what, and I only believe this, but I can do the supporting science. I wrote a book with a guy called Irvin Laszlo, Professor, Irving Laszlo, a few years ago, Laszlo asked me to write a book with him, which was really astonishing. I was so humbled by that he was my intellectual hero. And when your intellectual hero asks you to write a book with them, you're quite happy. But Laszlo has a thing he calls the Akashic field in the which is a kind of a quantum mechanical, quantum vacuum, updating from the zero point field to the old Akashic Record of the vedantists and, of course, the Theosophists as well. And it's an information field. Now I argue that within that information field there is a digital record, a mathematical record, rather like a computer, can take bits of information on and offs, zeros and ones, and can turn that into a virtual reality world. You can walk in when you've got a VR headset on. I believe that this is what the universe does. It can actually create a massive information field linked with black holes in many ways. I do the science of exactly where this information field may be, and it's to do with black holes, and it's to do with some of the recent research done into black holes, believe it or not. And this information field contains literally every outcome of every decision you can possibly make in your life, from the moment of your birth to the moment of your death. So suddenly, can you imagine you're living your life again, and this time, your daemon can think, do you know what I'll get her parents to go and emigrate to Reykjavik or to Australia just to see what's going to be like, is going to be like, and they and the all of those are available to you. It's like you're living in a virtual reality game of your life that you can, you can follow any path you want to. And I find that incredibly liberating and exciting, because all you have to do is listen to that daemon in your head, where the daemon advises you, this time, don't marry this person. You know, we get the Damon. You're walking along the street. You might go into a nightclub, and the daemon goes, No, keep walking, because in the last life, you walked into the nightclub, met this guy, married him, and it wasn't a great marriage. Keep on walking, because you're going to meet another Mr. Right, further down. And I believe this is what happens. And I believe that you listen to your day, when you listen to that little voice, and it guides you through so how many lives it could be so many, and I'll tell you why, because it's not only your life, but the lives of your ancestors, right? Because your parents made decisions, didn't they as to where they were going to live, what house they were going to buy. If they bought a different house in a different town, you'd have gone to a different school, you'd have had different school friends, you'd be in a different world. But there's that version of you as well, and there's the version of all of your great grandparents and great great grandparents. So suddenly it becomes more intriguing, because people say to me, your idea is horrible, because what happens to a child that's born with leukemia that dies after three weeks in agony? Well, I'll argue, if you take my model right back into history, there will be civilizations that will have developed, that will have already discovered a cure for leukemia. So all that has to be manipulated is that child to be born in one of those scenarios where leukemia has been cured and they won't die, they will live a full life. All this is a matter of is getting that that Eidolon or that ailon dies, but that daemon finding its way to the universe that is best for it. Now, again, this again, is not crazy. This is Hugh Everett the third's many worlds interpretation from his 1957 PhD thesis. It is the many minds hypothesis, which came up in the 1990s it's Stephen Hawking's idea of the top down hypothesis of quantum mechanics. Nothing I'm saying here is not supported by quantum mechanics in one way or another. So as there's a very famous English quantum physicist called Brian Cox, I know, if you know him, he's on television a lot in the UK. I did an event with Brian Cox's PhD tutor many years ago at the National Gallery in London. And this guy is one of the world's youngest, or he was one of the youngest professors of quantum mechanics, and he told me over coffee at the University of Manchester, the same place they split the atom. And he turned around to me, he said, we now know that every electron used knows the location of every other electron in the universe. They're all communicating non locally, which means we're like a hologram where there's no space. It's it's a hologram we're existing within. But on top of that, Brian Cox and Jeff Fauci, the guy I'm talking about, wrote a book together a few years ago, and it was about quantum mechanics. And the subtitle says it all. It says everything that can happen will happen. Now. There's been that recent movie. Hasn't there everything everywhere, all at once? This is physics. So suddenly my hypothesis doesn't sound crazy, it sounds rational and logical. And isn't that liberating?

Jannecke Øinæs 57:31

Yes and no, it's not everything I want to experience. You know, if everything and anything I'm thinking about is, or might think about that scares me, might be possible, and that I might experience that. I don't like that, but I'd love to experience all the wonderful things.

Anthony Peake 57:50

Well, that's it. You try to, you try to experience all the wonderful things, because that's what it should be. But as I've argued and my some of my associates, because there's this, there's 10s of 1000s, if not hundreds of 1000s of people around the world now that are interested in this idea. And I get messages, really, four or five a day at least. And you know, the general consensus of opinion is that sometimes the daemon will put you into a really difficult situation because it wants you to experience it, because it wants to make itself a more rounded human being. You know, sometimes we can only learn through pain. We can only appreciate something if we've never had it, you know, if you follow my logic, yeah. So sometimes, you know, because people sometimes say, Oh, my life's been really awful. Why has my Damon got you here? Got me here. And all I can say is, well, maybe a daemon is trying to teach you something. I don't know but, but then anyway, I it makes me quite excited.

Jannecke Øinæs 58:52

Well, me too. I what I understand is that the more questions I ask them more or the more answers I get. I mean, the more questions I'm receiving, and that it just gets more and more more, mind blowing as we open up more and more, and I feel like my mind is not able to understand and see how it all fits together. And maybe I'm not supposed to, because maybe part of this game is living the game also. And then we have people like you who are like, know a bit more about what's really going on, and are like, super curious about it, but still, like, I think there is a purpose of actually being in the illusion. And it has been for a time, and it's seems like now we're waking up to the illusion and that there's,

Anthony Peake 59:42

can I kind of come in here, because it's quite interesting. The ancient Greeks had a concept called amnesis, and amnesis is the not knowing, and it's quite an important idea. And I think that was very wise of you to make that point, that in order to re. Really be effective within the Bohmian IMAX, as I call it, this simulation we're in, we're not to know, because if we really knew, our behaviors would be different. It's what Frederick Nietzsche argued in his book The gay science. Because it was Nietzsche that came up with the original concept. Well, it wasn't the original concept of his, but the concept of the eternal recurrence or the eternal return. And the ancient Greeks had the same idea. But in order to live your life effectively, you'll get your daemon guide you. But normally, as an Eidolon, you're not aware you're being guided. You're not aware of what's really going on. But when you when you become aware of what's going on, what I'm having at the moment is what the ancient Greeks would call anamnesis. And anamnesis is the loss of forgetting and some of us have, and it doesn't mean we're better than anybody else. It just means that some of us. Maybe we've lived our lives many times. Maybe I've done this so many times. Now I'm getting towards the end and that I've done this 1000s of times, and it's getting to the point now where I'm starting to put my head above the parapet and started going, all right, I see what's going on. Now, I'd argue that some of us want to tell other people, and some of us don't, and the ones that don't are probably the sensible ones. And maybe it's because I'm naive that I'm I'm talking about it. And I sometimes wonder whether somebody once said to me, a top guy in an occult group did say he said, You really need to be careful. Somebody's going to pop you. You're getting so close to the truth, you need to be careful. And I thought, well, sod it. I don't really care. Now, I'm far too old to worry about that now, so it's very intriguing. Now, this is why, going back, I'm fascinated by the Eleusinian mysteries, the ancient Greeks the idea of Plato's cave, because if you look at all these ancient Greek myths and Plato's cave, suddenly what I'm saying now is making sense. There's a lot there, and this is why the Greeks really like what I'm doing. I'm hoping to recreate Plato's cave in Greece in the next year or two, because we've already done an event in England with it, and in fact, a future guest of yours, Samantha Lee treasure, who I know that you've been in contact with. She was when I did Plato's cave. She was Persephone, and we were wearing purple robes to actually recreate the whole Greek myth. Wow, as well. So it's very important that we, we put this in context, I think. But I'm, I'm to be honest, I have to say, and I get, Yo, you grasp it. It's very rare. You you tweaked it before I'd even mentioned it, and that was astonishing. You astonished me in a nice way, but you really got it. You know, I didn't even have to explain. You'd already put it together in your mind. You know, you're dying. You time expands. You have the panoramic life review, and then you turn around to me and said, What if you live the same life over and over again? I was going, Wow, that is, that is brilliant.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:03:15

Well, I think, you know, after interviewing for 12 years, I think all of a sudden I remember things, and I put it together there and then, and then I might forget it, you know, in an hour again it's it just comes there and then. And maybe I just tune into you, I don't know. But I also have this drive, you know, to understand that. And at the same time, I also have the drive to just live here and now and just be in this simulation, anywho. This has been so lovely, and I could speak with you for hours, however, timing in this dimension is a factor, so I have a few questions I ask all my guests. And the first, okay, what is self love to you Anthony.

Anthony Peake 1:03:59

Now this is interesting. If you, if you analyze my model of reality, self love is Lou is, is loving your Uber Damon. And your Uber Damon is everybody, because you are everybody. So therefore, when you give somebody else pain, the only person you're hurting is yourself. So self love is caring about everybody. And if you go to the higher level of the godamon, everything is you. So even hurting an insect or anything. And my idea is to try and bring as much happiness I can in the world, as much fun as I can in the world, without hurting people, if I can possibly help it,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:04:44

that was beautiful. And what is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective in a few sentences

Anthony Peake 1:04:52

to to achieve everything that you are capable of achieving and want to achieve. To follow every path within Holgate, Borges, garden of the forking paths, follow each path until you've decided you've seen enough.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:05:12

All right. How can people connect with you, Anthony, if they want to learn more, dive deeper.

Anthony Peake 1:05:19

Okay, literally, you can Google me. Just Google Anthony Peake, there's there's so much out there. Now it's crazy, but effectively I have a website, which is Anthonypeake.com but really I'm most active on Facebook and Instagram, and I post at least three or four, maybe five times a day on both of those. So if you just look up Anthony Peake, you can look up on Facebook Anthony Peake author and Anthony Peake writer. But they are they're both me, but I don't use those as regularly. But if you want to interface directly with me, just look up Anthony Peake, you'll find me quite easily. And also, I have my own YouTube channel, if you just look up Anthony Peake on YouTube, and I have hundreds of interviews on there that I've done, like the interview here, where I interview researchers, scientists, people like that, and also experiences. So check me out. But I try. It's getting harder and harder now I've always try to always respond to my readers, because if somebody invest invests time in reading my nonsense, the least I can do is respond if they email me back. But these days, I've got so many people wanting to contact me, and I don't have a team behind me. It's just me. So I if I don't respond or I don't respond quickly, please don't think I'm not delighted to get your message. It's just I've got so many messages to respond to. I've spent all my time responding to messages rather than writing the stuff that people want me to write.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:06:54

Yeah. Thank you so much, Anthony and all the best with the conference and everything you're doing. Thank you for coming to the show today.

Anthony Peake 1:07:01

Thank you Jannecke and thank you for just just being you wonderful. Thank you.