Riding the Cosmic Energy Influx! With Pam Gregory

Pam Gregory 0:00

And we are going to start to reconnect to our galactic family. I mean, many people do it already with their channeling. You know, Acturians, palladians andromedans, but we are going to start to see that, feel, that, hear that in a much bigger way, from July. That is the beginning of our reconnecting to our galactic family, and that is going to take us on quantum leaps in our understanding. What is consciousness, what is our brain? It's also going to create because of a connection to Pluto as well, huge advances in aviation and space exploration, much further out in space, and also all kinds of things like more local transport, flying cars, drones, in a much bigger way. The earth is receiving, and we as humans are receiving more cosmic energy than we have in a very, very long time. And that is part of the activation of the of the DNA. If you're at a certain level of consciousness, you are going to be able to embody a lot of this light to hang on to it. We are going to develop our claires, our clairsentience, clairaudience, claircognizance, etc, in a much bigger way, and that's going to happen naturally and pretty rapidly.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:22

Pam Gregory, a warm welcome to the show.

Pam Gregory 1:26

Delighted to be with you, Jannecke, thank you for the opportunity.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:29

I'm thrilled to be having you, and I've been looking forward to this for a long time. You are a world famous astrologer. You've been doing this for over 45 years. You're a cosmic visionary and a best selling author, and you're passionate about sharing how the shift of consciousness is really reflected in the stars that we could see that there's something extremely rare going on at the moment, and we'll dive deeper into that. However, since it's your very first time on the show, I would love to hear your story about how you became so passionate about astrology.

Pam Gregory 2:06

Yes, it was. It was all my accident. But of course, these things never are, are they genetic? So the day after I left university, I graduated, and I got on a plane to Toronto with $100 didn't know anyone didn't have a job, nothing, no way before mobile phones. And it was obviously a very big time for personal growth, because I joined a yoga class in the first week, and at the end of the class, two of the girls said that big chap over there from Jamaica is an astrologer. So I went up to him and said, Look, I know nothing about astrology, but I would love you to do my chart. And I saw him a week later and spent seven hours with him, and just it just blew my world apart. And I remember that like it was yesterday, you know, that it just kind of it was like an epiphany, that it cracked open my world to realize that there was a whole world of meaning behind the day to day, world and lives we live that I'd had no idea about up to that time in this life anyway, and he'd gone back in my life to identify certain dates and talk about relationship with parents and partners and various things, and he was absolutely spot on. So if it was working going backwards, then it would obviously work probably going forwards, and from that point on, I haven't stopped studying and and I still am. I'm still learning every single day with astrology. You it's infinite. You never, ever, ever stop learning, because our understanding the cosmos is expanding as well. So that's one of the most amazing things about it. You never get to the point as you do when you're fluent in a language, and you can speak colloquially to the locals, and you think, right, I've cracked it, you know? I can, I can speak that language fluently. I don't think you ever get to that stage with astrology. It is a language. It's a sacred geometric language, but you never get to the point of saying, Okay, I'm 100% fluent, because I think it takes many lifetimes to get to that point, if ever.

Jannecke Øinæs 4:05

How important do you think intuition plays into interpreting astrology? Because one thing is the mathematical and I know you know the left side of the brain approach, but intuition has a great role, right?

Pam Gregory 4:21

It absolutely does. And thank you for pointing that out, Jannecke, because I think that's becoming more important. And I actually grew up through astrology in a very left brained way, because it is very mathematical. It's very detailed. You know, if you're absolutely rubbish at maths, it would be, I think, quite hard to embark on a on a career as an astrologer. So So I grew up in that very kind of understanding the grammar of of astrology, because it is a language, but increasingly I'm becoming much more intuitive and and much more reading it like music. And music, of course, is very connected to maths as well, but reading it more like music, rather than. Uh, this means that. But I think everyone, when they're beginning astrology, just like a language, has to learn. This means that. This means that, and then gradually you gain more fluency. But the optimum fluency comes when you become very intuitive with it, so you're flowing with it.

Jannecke Øinæs 5:17

That makes sense. Um, okay, so all my guests are talking about the shift in consciousness, and especially how important 2025 is. And we're now in spring 2025 and I'm wondering, so what do we see that is different in the stars today? That hasn't happened before,

Pam Gregory 5:41

right. I mean, one of the really big thing, I mean, there's some cosmological factors, like the earth is moving through the galactic current sheet in space, and that only happens every, every 12,000 years, give or take 500 you know, we're at the end of Kali Yuga, which was the age of darkness. So we've come out of that, that 12,000 year descending cycle, and when our moving into Dwapara yoga and the ascending yoga of consciousness. So you've got these big yoga cycles, these big cosmological factors. But if I look at the just the astrology, one of the things that's happening, I mean, there's so many things that, you know, that's a really big question. There's so many things, but it is extraordinary that all of the outer planets are changing signs within the next 14 months now, and because they've all got different orbits. I mean, Saturn has a 29 and a half year orbit, then you got Uranus, 84 year orbit, Neptune, 165 year orbit, Pluto 248 year orbit. So you can just see with the mass of that, how unlikely it is that all of them will be changing the sign their signs in the next 14 months. You know, that's a heck of a convergence and massive shifts in energy. But the outer planets in addition to that, and this is what is really, I think, possibly, completely unique. Not just rare, but unique is they're forming a particular configuration which will be very tight in aspect, very exact over the next three years. And I, I actually developed a video called The Big Picture on this, because you have Pluto and and and Uranus, which are in a very beneficial aspect 120 degrees apart. And that happens fairly regularly, you know, every few decades. But, but the midpoint of that, you've got Saturn and Neptune at the very first degree of the zodiac. Now, Saturn and Neptune come together every 36 years reliably, but they don't do that at zero varies the very the Creator degree. I call it the very first degree of the Zodiac, and exactly at the midpoint of this Pluto Uranus Trine. So all of that is very beneficial and very powerful. And you know, going back in history, we've got to go back 1000s of years to even find when the Saturn Neptune conjunction happened at zero, varies that we've got to go back at least 6000 years for that. But if you plug in as well, the fact they're at the midpoint of Pluto and Uranus, I think that is a completely unique configuration. So that says there's something very special about humanity's consciousness right now that we are we are going to understand our divinity and our sacredness in a much bigger way. We are going to be expanding to the cosmos and understanding the depths of the cosmos in a much bigger way than we've ever done before. Every time Pluto's in Aquarius that happens, we go further out in space, be it, you know, gala Galileo's invention of the telescope, or whatever. You know, we go further out in space. But it is most definitely a major energy and consciousness shift for humanity. And it's so interesting that so many channelers, spiritual people, are all saying that as well. So, you know, it's very interesting. I love to listen to different people, you know, cosmologists or theoretical physicists or people operating in very different modalities, but they're all saying the same thing in their language, in their very different ways. And that's what gets exciting to me, because you start to synthesize all of these different disciplines and think, Wow, this, this is really very special and very exciting. I hope that made sense. Jannecke,

Jannecke Øinæs 9:38

yeah. I mean, it seems like there are so many different traditions pointing to this, like you're saying not just astrology, but toltic wisdom, channeling material it has been predicted. I mean, I feel like there's no doubt that something is going on. And. I also found interesting is that when I did interviews before March and April 2025 it was also predicted that those month months were going to be quite interesting. And they were, I gotta say, they were quite interesting. And now we find ourselves in May, and I'm curious. Okay, what's next?

Pam Gregory 10:22

Yeah, well, yes, um, what's next? So many things. I mean, Saturn is moving into Aries on the 24th of May, and that has a 29 and a half year cycle. But as I say, it's joining Neptune, and that conjunction will stay steady until kind of late spring northern hemisphere next year becomes exact on February the 20th next year. But it's, it's, it's going to start to become very, very tight indeed, from the 24th of May. And specifically, if we get look at July, it's just 12-13, minutes from exactitude, but it becomes absolutely exact next February, and that's about really becoming your own spiritual hero. It's it's about shedding victimization that we've had in the past. You know, we've been encouraged to think of ourselves as as victims and defer our power to external authorities. A lot of that is going to be dissolving, and there's so many astrological indicators of that. But you know, in recent times, if I go back in history, it might have been the church which was very authoritarian, or authoritarian monarchies in Europe, or whatever it was, there was a very strong top down structure, and we are more recently, you could say it could be governments or corporations or institutions that have this top downness. They are creating the rules and regulations for we poor peasants who have to obey them. And so we've deferred our power that is changing radically and rapidly. It's a shift. It's the beginning of a shift of a of the power to the people. And that won't happen gently or easily. We have to take responsibility for making that that happen and becoming our own spiritual guide, our own spiritual hero, our own spiritual authority in a way that we've never done, certainly in this lifetime, or probably for many, many lifetimes, we realize that the power is coming from within us. So we need to live from the inside out, not the outside in, not listening to the news, not having this sense of those are very powerful people at the top, and I, you know, I just have to obey the rules, because I think many of us are starting to feel that we can create a much more loving world than this. So our reality is going to become much more spiritual, much more we are going to become more multi dimensional. We are going to develop our Claire's, our clairsentience, Claire, audience, Claire, cognizance, etc, in a much bigger way, and that's going to happen naturally and pretty rapidly as well. I mean, there are many, many aspects of this, but we're, we are almost shifting our whole perspective on what does it mean to be human? What does it mean to be human? And partly that is a recognition that we are part of a galactic family, and we are going to start to reconnect to our galactic family. I mean, many people do it already with their channeling. You know, Acturians, palladians andromedans, but we are going to start to see that, feel, that, hear that in a much bigger way, from July, when yours moves into Gemini, that's about galactic communication. So, I mean, there's so much I could say about this Jeanette, but I think shifting our sense of power to become inner power is a really, really important part of this, and dissolving the old traditional structures and moving through the veil, we're going to see beyond the illusions that we may have lived under for many, many years, seeing beyond the illusion.

Jannecke Øinæs 14:17

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Pam Gregory 15:46

Yeah, this is very interesting, I think. And I sort of don't like to say this, but I think it's kind of undeniable that there's a bifurcation right now in where people are putting their focus. So I have to kind of set this up before I can give you a proper answer, Jannecke, because it all depends on where we put our focus day to day. Because what we it isn't a very poetic way to say it, but it's the simplest, clearest way to say it, that what we focus on expands. What we focus on expands. So if you're watching the news, watching the horrors, watching the wars, watching the atrocities that are going on in the world, you are gonna think the world is a terrible, terrible place, and it is, if that's your focus. However, if you are saying I am aware broadly of what's going on in the world, but I choose to put my focus elsewhere to create so much more beautiful, loving world where our consciousness is raised that it is unthinkable to hurt another living being, a beetle, a bird, a tree, an animal, you know, another human. It would be unthinkable. It would be impossible. So that's the kind of energetic shortcut. Because if we try and solve the wars and the poverty and the hunger and do it in a logical ABC way, it's going to take us 1000s of years. They're just too many problems out there. But we can shortcut it energetically by enough of us coming together and say, No, we are not going to tolerate this. We are going to create something much more loving. And so it's almost like in Charles Dickens, I think it was the tale of two cities he was talking about, it's the worst of times and the best of times. And that depends entirely how you see the world right now depends entirely on where you put your focus, because there are a bunch of people I'm, you know, I'm in contact with, who see this as an incredibly exciting and unique time for humanity. We are in the process of making the biggest leap in consciousness for humanity that has ever been achieved. We got close in the past in in Atlantis, but we didn't quite make it this time. We are well on track to making that breakthrough in our sense of divinity and our multi dimensionality, but we've got to keep the focus on creating something loving. And it doesn't have to be that you be you're in a protest on the streets with the plaque are being loud and shouty or having a podcast series like you and I do, Jeanette, it can be in very quiet, kind ways, the choices we make. We choose not to have a television we choose to grow some of our own food, we choose to get together with like minded people who also want to build a more loving world. We help our neighbors and friends in lots of ways. You know, we help with shopping or you all those tiny, small daily acts of kindness. Add weights on the scale of this is what we're doing in those quiet ways. Doesn't have to be big and loud and shouty, and nobody controls where you put your focus, but you so to ask. Finally, I think if you have your focus on the doom and gloom, it's going to be awful, because the wars, you know, the astrological potential is there for a lot of war, we have a lot of planets. You know, got two planets shifting into Aries. We put a lot of planets on world axis, which is about strong, strong things emerging in the world. You know, there's a potential for that. Or we could use that to become spiritual warriors, step into our spiritual courage, our spiritual activism, and do something magnificent with it.

Jannecke Øinæs 19:39

All right, and does it mean then that in July, there is sort of a greater chance, because we are sort of being helped by an energy to step into our power more. Is that what you're saying?

Pam Gregory 19:53

Yeah yeah, beautiful. And you know, if I'm not making sense, you know, make me backtrack and answer it in a different way, because I know. Can cover quite a lot of ground in a short time. In July, we have Uranus, which is the planet related to the Galactics and aviation and that kind of thing. It's got an 84 year orbit moving into Gemini. And when it's been in Gemini, before we have really had breakthroughs in our understanding as humanity, into our consciousness in a bigger way, into things like light technology, how light actually works. And of course, light carries information, and water is just condensed light. Also. It's very connected to our neural networks. And so I think for me, I'm clearly seeing July as a beginning point for a lot more galactic connection, whether that's just in your dreams and your meditations, or whether we see something a little more physical. But for sure, for me, I think that is the beginning of our reconnecting to our galactic family, and that is going to take us on quantum leaps in our understanding of what is consciousness, what is our brain? It's also going to create because of the connection to Pluto as well, huge advances in aviation and space exploration, much further out in space, and also all kinds of things like more local transport, flying cars, drones in a much bigger way. And so, you know, that's all going to shift gears as well. But I think, I think the understanding of consciousness is going to take a bigger, a bigger jump than it has, well than it has for many 1000s of years. And that's just the beginning of it. That's just the beginning of it.

Jannecke Øinæs 21:50

Wow, exciting. Oh my goodness, you mentioned in another conversation something truly interesting. Well, everything you're mentioning is truly interesting, but this interesting. You talked about the return of the 24th chromosome, and that, I think, was 200,000 years ago, or 100,000 years ago, our chromosomes were, uh, changed by our galactic friends. Could you share what that is all about

Pam Gregory 22:20

Yes, and that came from Kryon Lee Carroll's channeling. And it also came from Greg Braden, who, of course, is very much trained as a scientist. And they were both saying that 200,000 years ago, chromosome two and chromosome seven was spliced together to make us more human, but less multi dimensional. Now that 24th chromosome is being activated again, that splicing is dissolving, and it's partly because of all the cosmic energy that is coming onto the planet, to a degree that it certainly in this lifetime, many lifetimes, has done, and that is activating that 24th chromosome to come back online, which is going to help us reconnect to our multi dimensionality. And so many people are starting to get into kind of time slippages. They've driven down a piece of road and then they're driving down the same piece of road all over again, or there's a gap in time, or, you know, people are experiencing these glitches more and more, and that's just the beginning of all kinds of other dream experiences and and connections to other beings that are going to be extraordinary and very expansive. So that's where that 24th chromosome bit has come from. But one of the things that is really activating that is the earth, until recently, has had quite a strong magnetic shield. Think of it as a cotton wool buffer. But that is now lowering so we are more open on the earth to the cosmic energy, which used to be battered off by the cotton wool buffer. You could think of it that way. And therefore we are receiving. The earth is receiving, and we as humans are receiving more cosmic energy than we have in a very, very long time. And that is part of the activation of the of the DNA, and it's a remembrance of our DNA, because our DNA, large parts of it, have been dormant, so it's bringing it back online, but it is also enabling us to hold more light, because there's more light on the earth than we have ever known in many lifetimes. And if you are, the way I understand it is, if you're at a certain level of consciousness, you are going to be able to embody a lot of this light, to hang on to it, to embody it in ourselves. And that is going to become more and more common, that a tsunami of people are going to start to be embody. Seeing more light. You know, I notice it with certain people that I'm in contact with. A friend who hadn't seen me for some months came to visit the other day and said, Gosh, you've just got so much more light in you. Gosh, because you don't notice day to day, and I'm not aware of that at all. But, you know, that was a wonderful thing. You know, I felt really blessed by that. But that's not just me. I mean, that's, that's many, many people. As we raise our frequency, raise our consciousness, we can hold more of this light that's actually coming in from the cosmos that hasn't reached us before to this degree. So it's very exciting. It's very and that's, you know, it's, it's, this is so interesting Jeanette, because this is where it all converges. Because, yes, it's been, this time, has been prophesized by the Mayans and the Hopis and the quero. It was even prophesized, I just discovered a about a month ago from Alice Bailey and the Theosophists. And in in in 1949 she was predicting that 2025 would be the year where this real shift for humanity would begin. And then all the other things I've talked about so far in this conversation, the cosmological things and the astrological things. So everything is converging right about 2025 and this is, for me, the if I just look at the astrology, is the biggest year of change. Getting into late spring northern hemisphere. 2026 things start to smooth out and settle down a bit, particularly if you're very focused on the positive timeline. But this is the big year of radical change. And one of the reasons everybody feels speeding up is the outer planets are moving from slow, heavy earth and water signs into air and fire, which are really fast.

Jannecke Øinæs 26:52

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and you speak about 2025 and then until 2027 and I've also heard 2032 so is that linked to Age of Aquarius, that that's or the Golden Age, that's where it really kicks off? Or is that another transition that is coming, or a culmination of of this first step, or something similar?

Pam Gregory 27:57

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Great questions. I mean, 2032 was traditionally the time when that was the beginning of the Golden Age. And we do have a very strong aspect in 2032 of conjunction between Saturn and Uranus. So that's a very big deal in terms of a milestone or a marker for civilization, where you'll get new inventions, etc. In terms it's interesting. Nobody's actually asked me this genetic so this is interesting in terms of the Age of Aquarius, because ages last 2000 just over 2000 years long. You don't have a sort of, you know, you don't, you can't say, well, it happened last Tuesday, because they're so long you don't just end one age in one day and move on to the next stage the next day. You've got this long transition of time. So because there's some debate about exactly pinpointing when the Age of Aquarius begins, I have never, actually, ever said we are in the Age of Aquarius. But what I can say in western tropical astrology, is Pluto is now fully in the sign of Aquarius until 2044 and that will definitely see me out anyway. So, so, so I can definitely say we have a lot of Aquarian energy, because Pluto, which is a very important planet is in that sign till 2044, and the rule of Aquarius Uranus is very highlighted in the next few years. And so I can definitely say that, and my understanding is and I can feel it, and that with all the people you interview Jeanette and have conversations with, I'm sure you can feel it too, that humanity, in fact, I was just having this conversation, my last recorded interviewing of Dr David Clements last week, because humanity has been has made such remarkable pro progress in raising its consciousness. We are ahead of expectation, ahead of time. So we don't have to wait until 2032 we are in the mush of the chrysalis right now. We are in the in this one way, process of humanity's evolution. And I was having this conversation with Dr David Clements last week, and he he's constantly in contact with the high Elohim and some very elevated galactic beings. And they had said to him that they didn't expect humanity to be able to achieve this level of consciousness and have all of the possibilities that we currently have, that, you know, they it just wasn't in the plan that we would get this far. So that's incredibly optimistic and so, and you might well ask, Well, what about the people who are looking at the at the gloom and doom? And you know, the the analogy I've often used is imagine that you're an airport, and some people have decided they want to go fast track, and the other people are going kind of normal route, slow track. But we're all going to get on the Unity Consciousness plane. At the end of the day, we're all going to get on the Unity Consciousness play, but we are following our own souls, path of soul contract, maybe our own path of growth, in the route we take and the speed at which we're doing it. Does that? Does that make sense?

Jannecke Øinæs 31:17

Yeah, that's that's exciting news. And I know you always have a positive angle and a very high vibrating one, and also encompassing the importance of the heart as well, and the heart consciousness. And speaking of that, I also noticed people are speaking about that they feel a split in people, like people I talk to day to day, spiritual teachers who are saying, I feel like people are being polarized very much in I mean that. No, I mean that. And it could be politics. It could also be like, I really believe in this, or I really believe in that, that they can feel a split. So I'm wondering, do you see that we're all awakening? We're all going into this golden age, or Age of Aquarius at some point or will some choose not to wake up?

Pam Gregory 32:06

I think some will choose not to wake up now, but ultimately, we are all going to wake up. We're just on a different timetable, a different schedule. The opportunity, the potential, for everyone to wake up is there? It's just weak because we have free will. It's down to, where do we put our focus? Are we watching all the horrors on the news, or we out, you know, chanting and meditating with our friends? You know, what? What are we doing? So I think we all have that opportunity, and it's, it's really just just down to again. You know, what are we focused on, day to day? What is our internal state of being? Is the biggest is the most important question, moment to moment. What is my internal state of being? Because if you're feeling peaceful, joyful, optimistic, loving, coming from the heart, helping out people. Whenever you can showing showing acts of kindness, then that is the reality day to day you're going to experience. Because the universe is just a mirror. It just reflects back to you, your frequency, your state of being. If you're in a state of fear or polarization, I'm right, you're wrong, anger, hate, all of those things. That's what you're going to be experiencing more of in your day to day reality. So it's so important that we give ourselves the best chance, because it's much more fun creating a beautiful world, isn't it? I think we'd all agree on that, than being in a miserable world. But so everyone is given the opportunity, and everyone will ultimately wake up, but on their own timescale, because we have free will. That's my understanding.

Jannecke Øinæs 33:50

Yeah, that resonates with me as well. And speaking of free will, the big question of all, perhaps, how does free will go together with destiny, because when we think about astrology, we often think about prediction, and then we have the free will. So in your mind and your perspective and what you learned, how do they go together?

Pam Gregory 34:12

Yeah, great question. The way I see it is the pattern is set for this lifetime for each of us, and the pattern I've often described as your unique sheet of music. And amazingly that that planetary pattern will never be repeated in history again, which is just remarkable, because every planet is moving at a different speed and making different geometry, etc. So that says, Well, every one of us is special. Every one of us is unique. So the pattern is set, the sheet of music is said, but we have, I believe, great latitude in how we play that piece of music, how we live out our lives. Do we have a little life, or do we have a big, magnificent life and do a lot of good in the world? And the reason I feel that so strongly is, over the many years, I don't do client work anymore. Because I don't have any time now, because I'm trying to help the collective through my work. But I've often had the experience of seeing charts of people who are born quite close in geography and time. So they've got very similar, not obviously not identical, but similar birth charts. And you know a couple of people that come to mind, there were two gentlemen. They were both extremely musical. They both had, you know, quite parallel lives. They'd married at the same time, they'd had children at the same time. They'd moved, moved country at the same time, etc, etc. But they had different lives in terms of, one was just teaching music at the local comprehensive school, the other chap was actually leading a philharmonic orchestra traveling all over the world, so he was touching more people with his music contribution. And that isn't that isn't my judgment, because it's got nothing to do with me. It's the judgment of the of the chap who was working in the local school that he had not made enough of his potential. He actually used those words to me. So your chart is pure potential. For you, it's pure potentiality not yet lived out. So it's down to our free will in terms of how we live it out. And I think understanding your sheet of music is the first big step. You know, what is your sheet of music? What are your What are your potential gifts and skills and abilities and and and what aren't So, where can you know? Because if someone has several children, it's very interesting that those and every parent will know this. If they've had more than one child, those children could have gifts in many different directions. One could be very sporty, the other, very creative, a third child, very mathematical. So knowing that information when the children were very young can really help you to nurture those potential gifts to that you know, to block, to allow them to blossom fully. So that's really helpful information. And then it's down to each of those children as they mature as to what they do with it. But you know, all of us come in with potential, gifts and skills, every single one of us and challenges. You know, there's challenges are there as fertilizer, and so often people in the spiritual world have had extremely challenging childhoods, which has meant that they've had to dig much deeper to find a different way through, to find certain survival skills and find a different way through than if their childhood was very easy and happy. That's very often the case. So it's fertilizer for who you are meant to become, and so in seeing your difficult childhood as fertilizer that can change your whole relationship with it, but I'm grateful that it was a really dysfunctional, turbulent, crazy childhood. I'm grateful because it's made me who I am today. Does that does that make sense, Jannecke?

Jannecke Øinæs 37:58

yes, and I have more questions about it. So do you see it like that there are Destiny points, for instance, like when I turn 54 I'm going to meet the love of my life, and when I'm around 40, I'll have a child. And then maybe I have the possibility to do that, or I can actually choose something else, but then I meet the loved one later down the line. And I'm also curious, so two questions in one here, whether some destiny, destinies or destiny timelines are more specific for some and more open for others for instance.

Pam Gregory 38:39

yeah, that's that's interesting. I'm not sure about your second question, because I think there's potential for everybody, but certainly I think they're more Destiny points around what's called the nodal axis. And the nodal axis is linked to the orbit of the moon, and it's very important in Indian in Vedic Astrology, and I actually wrote a second book about it, because it was so mystical, it was so deep, it felt so fated, because it brings in not only gifts and skills from your past lives, but it brings back relationships from your past life, or past lives so so often, when you have transits, you have planets moving around in their orbits, and they they trigger your your natal nodal axis. That's when someone from a past life comes back in, and you just think, I've known you for 1000 years. I've known you for 1000 years. You know, I have a dear friend who is a little younger than me, and I absolutely know, and he feels it too, and he's not at all philosophical or spiritual. I know he was one of my children. A very poor life in Ireland, and he feels that too, that kind of glue. And he's, he's almost like a younger brother for me, my husband, I know of several lifetimes that we've had together before, and the dance goes on. I'm not, I'm not in that marriage, thank goodness anymore. But anyway, we had to resolve certain things. But it's those times when you meet people, it's like that moment across a crowded room, and you think, I just know you from the depths of my soul. I know you. And usually you have to get together for a period of time, for however long that is to continue the dance, the dance goes on, or to resolve some issue that wasn't fully resolved from the last the last life, but, but knowing that is incredibly enriching for the relationship and your understanding. So those, for me, are Destiny points in a very big way than any other planetary aspect. It's the nodal axis which brings in past life, material and relationships. So that for me, and it brings in, very often, experiences from past lives where it could be a problem in a last life that's kind of leaking into this life. I mean, I had this with them. I bought a very small house in southwest France and discovered that was all tied up the Cathar lifetime, 800 years before, and that Cathar lifetime, and the trauma of that was leaking into this lifetime and causing all kinds of stuff for me, bless you, all kinds of stuff for me in this lifetime. And it was only when that was resolved that that could be put to closure, as it were. So those, those are very much Destiny points. Yeah,

Jannecke Øinæs 41:46

yeah. Because it was interesting, I interviewed Joni Patry. You probably know her. She's a veadic astrologer, and I think it was before Christmas 2024, and she was very specific about what was going to happen with me, like I was going to get engaged, and I did, and especially at that time, and there were some other projects you told me about behind the camera where we're not recording, and that has happened, and I'm like, wow, that was very specific, but I assume that that's not from the soul planning stage that, oh, my boyfriend is going to propose that month. But maybe she saw, sort of the energies that that sort of, I don't know. Is it malleable? I mean, the stars, are they also being reflected by our actions?

Pam Gregory 42:38

Yeah, absolutely. I think there's a there's a co creation happening, there's a co creation happening. And it's interesting. This is something I'm contemplating a lot at the moment, Jannecke, because Indian Vedic Astrology, and Joni is excellent at that. She's probably the, certainly the best. I know. She's extremely good. And Vedic Astrology tends to be more predictive and very accurate, more predictive and specific. But I think there's also, for me, in western tropical astrology, there's more of a spectrum of at one end, you've got the highly predictive and accurate astrology, and Western tropical astrology is very predictive too and very accurate, but I'm at the moment where I'm at is be, is I'm more interested in leaving it to be slightly more abstract in order that we can co create with the planets in a more malleable and open way. Because if I you know, if I look at any astrological pattern for sure, I can see certain high probabilities. I mean, I do that all the time with countries and people, certain high probabilities. But with people, if I voice those, would I be limiting an even greater potential that I don't have the intuition or the consciousness to see yet? Does that make sense? So I think as we move forward in this incredible time, we will be co creating with the planets as probability, waves of consciousness themselves to achieve even higher possibilities. And this is what Dr David Clements was saying the other day, than we have ever done before, without me as the astrologer, limiting that by my current level of consciousness. Does that make sense?

Jannecke Øinæs 44:43

Yeah, I was just thinking about every move and every action we take, us doing this interview or not, if we didn't get this interview like will would that make a difference? And it probably would, because there's so many. Things that happens without us knowing it, some someone seeing it, someone taking another choice by seeing that. Oh, I want to become an astrologer. She affects a lot of people then again.

Pam Gregory 45:11

Yeah, excellent,

Jannecke Øinæs 45:13

yeah, yeah. So, I guess we're sort of, I don't know, creating new timelines all the time

Pam Gregory 45:21

it's like every choice we make. I think Jannecke is like, if you think it like a tree, and then we go out on a branch, and then we go out on a smaller branch and a smaller and onto a twig, and then that twig has variously, once we're onto that trajectory of that branch over there, we have way left behind the other branches on the other side of the tree, because this is where we're headed now. So every micro, mini and macro choice we make affects our destiny. You know, if I hadn't married that particular man as my husband, you know, what else would have emerged in my life and taken me in a very different direction? I felt that was pretty fated, because it was very much a destined meant to happen. Relationship that doesn't necessarily suggest it was fabulous, but it was destined to happen. So, so you know, your big decisions lead you onto certain branches of the tree, and that becomes your trajectory going forward so and it's harder to then jump ship because those branches of the tree are just too far away. Now, does that make sense? But increasingly, I'm thinking I want to be at the more malleable co creating end and predicting less particularly for people. I'm not doing client work anymore, as I say, but if I'm helping friends up, I want to be less predictive for them, because I don't want to limit what could be an even greater potential and possibility for them.

Jannecke Øinæs 46:53

That makes a lot of sense. Speaking a bit about the new human, again, the future human, I heard you made the connection to Lemuria in another conversation, that it's sort of that type of energy that will move into. Could you speak a little bit more to that how the new future, or the new human will look like?

Pam Gregory 47:15

Yeah, from what I understand, and this feels really exciting. You know, my heart always goes to Lemuria, when I think of the new human, when people have said, you know, so give me some idea of the new human, because that was probably the most heart centered civilization that that we have any awareness of. And it was very high frequency. Everything was done from the heart. Everything was done from love. And as I understand it. They they weren't much in their physical body. They were connected to the earth on a sort of silver thread, and they would do everything in harmony with nature and the animals and the earth. They were, as I understand it, very connected to dolphin and whale energy, which is kind of 15th dimensional. And I believe the dolphins and whales are helping us get back to that now. The animals are way ahead of us with, you know, where the slow coaches here? But everything was done to keep things in balance. They could they they didn't have to communicate by speech. They could read each other telepathically. They could heal each other all the time. They also had healing temples, which they placed on the top of mountains, because that's where the vortex of energy was strongest. And these healing temples were just kind of a wooden frame with some canvas, but stuffed with crystals, just packed with crystals, so they would heal through um, through song, through crystal, healing through energy and frequency, which, of course, is what we're going back to now. But they were incredibly loving beings. They would never kill to eat, and they would eat very little, as I understand it, only once every few days, and and, you know, they'd largely live on the energy from the sun. And so that is the closest idea to to where we're headed, I think that we're going to become increasingly shifting towards the light body, more crystalline, less carbon, eating more lightly, eating more plant based, eating more raw, and really feeling this, this sense of oneness with with nature, that we are connected. We are, you know, we've in our lifetime, so many of us have just kind of exploited and dominated nature and not had any care or concern about that. And I think we will start to see ourselves much more as part of nature, as one consciousness, which indeed we are. We're just fractals of the Divine, of one living, organic consciousness, which includes Gaia, which includes the earth. And so this is going to be much greater sensitivity, I think, in in in just how we move through our lives, and much greater multi dimensionality. And I think we will, I think also we will care. Care for each other in in as if those other beings were us. There'll be such a sense of interconnectedness that it won't be, you know, I've got to, I've got to kind of keep my bank account high and keep my fence strong. And, you know, this territorial materialism we've known, we will want to share. We will want to collaborate. We'll want to come together. And a lot of the leaders and visionaries of the future are going to be those people who are going to help nature and the earth. And the young people are incredible with this. They're inventing all kinds of amazing things to help the planet, help the seas, help the earth, clean up all the pollution that the older generations have made. And they are going to be the leaders, not in any dominating, top down way, but but rather that people, other people will say, I want to be part of that. I want to join in on that idea and be part of that. So the way we move forwards, I think, is much less a vertical socio economic and political structure. It's it's going to move to something much more horizontal. That's where we're headed. Y

Jannecke Øinæs 51:06

eah, and speaking of that, will we see a real shift in the way society is structured? What about governments? Will we have new types of of power in a way that the power will be more in through the people, or will there still be sort of leaders and democracy, for instance?

Pam Gregory 51:32

Yes, that's a good word to think about, isn't it? We can have a long conversation about democracy. I think, I think, particularly the second half of this year is going to be much more revolutionary. There are going to be, literally, people on the streets. And that's been happening, you know, across the world, Serbia, for weeks, the people on the streets, the Netherlands, the UK, America. I mean, it's been happening. Germany, I know, has been huge. France has been, of course, born out of revolution, incredibly strong. So many, many people are and if you take polls of people, they are losing trust in government. They are losing trust in government as government acting in the highest interest of the people, which is what they're supposed to do. And so with that loss of trust and loss of belief in governments. That's when people will will, in a very real way, start to build communities and take the power back and say, No, we don't think this is for the highest good of all. We think forming this community, buying this land, growing our own food, and kind of stepping out of the grid, as it were. And I know many people who are doing this across the world, because they write to me and tell me they are that is how power will gradually shift more to this more horizontal structure. And it's happened historically. It happened with the church who lost power, you know, way back in the 1200s 1500s definitely. With Henry the eighth, and also with monarchies. That was happening very much in the late 1700s French Revolution, etc, and the American Revolution. So this, this dilution of power from the top, because there's a loss of trust in the authority of governments, and that's really going to start to accelerate any moment now. We're filming this what in early May. We've got a big Full Moon in Scorpio coming up in a few days time. And I think there's going to be some, some big revelations coming out that will weaken the top downness, let's call it the top downness, the power over of governments. So it will be a very big year for that. The next three years will be very big, but the second half of 2025, will be very big for that. This shift.

Jannecke Øinæs 53:55

What is that one advice you will give to people today that is related to everything we have spoken about today, and sort of take the the opportunity to step into a grander version of themselves.

Pam Gregory 54:09

Yeah, I think the mantra I use often is we're welcoming in an expanding consciousness of love. We're welcoming in an expanding consciousness of love, because I think that kind of covers it all. Stay in your heart. Stay in love. Have a sense of spaciousness, spaciousness coming in in your consciousness. You know, reach out to the bird song. Reach out to the trees. Feel part of all of nature, part of this organic, living, spectacular hole of vibrating consciousness love that we are actually living within. And I think that's the best flavor you could you could give yourself

Jannecke Øinæs 54:51

lovely. This has been so interesting. Thank you so much. And I have a few questions that I ask all my guests. And the first one is, what is self love to you, Pam.

Pam Gregory 55:05

I think accept, acceptance of self, acceptance of self, is self love. I mean, I can say that I love myself, even knowing I have many practical deficiencies because I'm not very good practically, but I can still love myself, despite, accepting all of myself

Jannecke Øinæs 55:30

and what is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective?

Pam Gregory 55:34

Oh, really feeling that I've helped people live from love and live from their hearts in a bigger way, I would feel very good about that being my legacy.

Jannecke Øinæs 55:52

That's beautiful, and that's what you're doing all the time, isn't it? Well, thank you so much. Where can people connect with you if they just want to learn more?

Pam Gregory 56:03

Yeah, I think best place to go is my YouTube channel. Super busy. Pam Gregory official is the YouTube channel. None of the others. They're all the scammers. And I put out a lot of videos, wide variety. Sometimes I'm being interviewed. Sometimes we're interviewing other people. Sometimes astrology updates. So that's the place to go. Pam Gregory, official, also my website. Pamgregory.com is another place to go, and I put up short blogs and details about my two books on there. So those are the two places really to go.

Jannecke Øinæs 56:38

Wonderful. Thank you so much for coming to the show today, and thank you for all your powerful and beautiful work.

Pam Gregory 56:43

Thank you so much. Jannecke, I loved it. Really enjoyed it. Thank you so much for the opportunity.