Decoding Future Predictions! With Pamela Downes

Pamela Downes 0:00

So some of the first beings that I channel were Ra and Thoth. They're super, super, super ancient, old creator beings. They talk about attacks coming to the United States. They talked about, last year, a breakdown in the music industry. We saw that with, you know, one person in particularly who really was his parties were revealed. That's scratching the surface, Jannecke, of what's actually happening. We don't see any of that. Those are the people that run our world. That's what I'm talking about. I was afraid, Jannecke, to put myself out there with these premonitions. In 2020 I had visions, I had downloads. I saw all of these things that are coming to our planet in the future. I don't know when. I just know that they're the future. I've seen things like tectonic plates shifting. I had dreams of tsunamis over and over and over again, because when the shifts happen, when these changes come to our planet, and they're here now, but higher fearful, lower density, lower vibrational experiences, you're gonna be able to rise above it. You're not gonna be swept up in it. They want to help us navigate through it. They don't want to help us like, by saying, like, prepare. That's not what it's about. It's about raising your individual frequency so that you were in a position to ascend easier.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:24

Pamela, Downes. A warm welcome to the show.

Pamela Downes 1:28

Oh, thank you so much, Jannecke. I'm so excited to be here and finally having this conversation with you today. Thank you for having me.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:35

Of course, I'm really looking forward to hear your wisdom today. You are a spiritual guide. You are channeling the Council of light. You are the founder of spirit calling. You are a podcaster yourself, and you sort of just came out of the spiritual closet. Is that fair to say?

Pamela Downes 1:57

Yes, it's true. It sounds so funny when we say that she came out of the spiritual closet. But it's true, and everyone who hears my story, they kind of laugh, because my big reveal was on next level soul podcast with Alex Ferrari and and he said, Pamela, tell me when you came out of the closet. And I was like, Alex, I think I don't know if I, if I came out of the closet. He's like, I got news for you. You're, you're out of the closet now. So, yeah, it was, it was in 2024 in December of 2024 say,

Jannecke Øinæs 2:31

yeah, that's, that's quite recent. And now I've looked at your YouTube channel, and you're bringing out messages pretty courageously, I got to say, with addictions and things that are coming, and we might get into that, even some peaceful alien parade that got me interested, but before that, I'd love to get to know you and your story, because you were not A spiritual channeler. You had an ordinary life, also having some issues with your father that really opened up your spirituality and your gift. So please share the story.

Pamela Downes 3:10

Yeah, you're absolutely right. This was not something that was on my things I want to do when I grow up list. You know, I was a creative growing up. I was really good at art and I was really was really good at music, and being an empath is associated with those two things, you know? And I used to call myself a super feeler, and I'd walk in a room and I'd feel the energy and certain people would affect me. I didn't know what that was. I didn't know that until much later in my life. Yeah, I grew up in Catholicism in an Italian background, lots of love there, you know, with my grandparents and that whole all of those traditions that we had. But I also had contrast. My father was addicted to alcohol, and he had a hard time in his life with parenting and adulting and addiction and and, you know, you understand later in life mental health issues, and he was using alcohol to help him with the trials that he was experiencing in his life. The recession came my husband and at the time, and I lost everything. He lost his job, we lost our home, we lost our retirement, we lost all these things, and I found Abraham Hicks. I found Esther channeling, and there's something about her. I didn't understand what channeling was. I didn't understand any of it, but I understood this whole way that I was being and I was showing up in my life. I understood that I was just beating that drum of lack. I was saying there would be people, people, people would be like, Pamela, how's everything going? Oh my gosh, it's terrible. Billy lost his job. We lost our home. This is the worst recession, like all the things. And when I heard Esther speaking, I was like, Oh my gosh. It was like a. Your reflection, I know what I'm doing. I need to stop that. I need to stop that. I need to talk about the things that are going the right way in my life, like I've held on to an amazing business through a recession and had amazing clients that supported me and fed me work and and made sure that I was taken care of and, you know, people came out of the woodwork to rent my house when I decided on a dime, like I listened to my my higher guidance. It was one of the first times I listened to my higher guidance. I was like, should I sell my house, or should I rent it? And I kept feeling like I should rent it. I don't know why, and I was scared, but I rented it, and out of the blue, someone came and said, I'm moving to the area to start a practice with my son. They were both doctors. We're starting a new practice. I'd love to rent your house for a year. And I was like, I think that this is what manifestation is. I think that this is what I need to do. And that was that like moving away from fear into love and opportunity for what could be, what could be on the other side. But that led me into wanting to learn about yoga, meditation and meditation as a whole. And I wound up going to a Reiki share, which was like, I think, like five or six Reiki practitioners, you'd pay a small fee, you'd wait your turn. You'd have 30 minutes, you'd get up on the table. I was the last one to get up on the table. Thank God, because no one would have stayed if I was like the first one to get on the table. And I got on the table, and all these Reiki practitioners were working on me at the same time. This was my very first experience with Reiki and energy. I felt, I felt the vibrations in different places, and then suddenly I felt this swelling coming up in my heart, this swelling, and then this, like this wide open burst happened in my heart, all these emotions came out. I had to howl and release and feel the emotion, feel the energy leave my body. And when I was done, this woman rushed over to me, and she said, you're an empath. And I was like, I don't even know what an empath was. At that time, I didn't even know what an empath was. And I said, I mean, okay. And she said, you had a heart opening. And I'm like, something happened there. Spirit kept giving me these hugely profound moments that you really can't deny. You can't turn away from them, because your life has changed forever. There was something there that wasn't there before, and then you want to know more. It keeps you like running on that path, devouring everything. And I wound up meeting this young woman who was working as a sustainability expert, super smart, super successful, and she was 30, under 30, Forbes magazine in Manhattan. And I met her through her sister. And she said, Pamela, I'm leaving it all. I'm being called to train for Reiki. I want to be a Reiki healer, but I'm feeling called to go do Ayahuasca in the mountains. And she did that, she changed her life, and she came back and she said, I want you to help me create my brand and my website. I have a branding and marketing firm. I've been a branding and marketing expert since 2000 I've had my own business, and so said, Sure, Kelly, let's do that. You know that was me helping out a friend that wasn't me knowing what was to come. An amazing moment was to come because of that saying yes, right? And these, these saying yes, moments open up opportunity. They open up pathways to your future, if you accept them, you know, and you keep traveling on them. And she was hosting a Reiki retreat, a Reiki level one training down in Costa Rica, on the top of this quartz crystal mountain, the vibration was super high. And I was like, I want to do that. I would really like to do that. Well, she offered it to me in trade, and went down and I was newly divorced. I had never done anything like this before in my life. There was courage in that moment, just in itself, right? And I was like, I'm going to meet new people. I'm going to do things that are new. I'm going to learn about Reiki. I didn't aspire to be a practitioner. I never aspired to be a healer, but there was something telling me I needed to go, and I was feeling those pulls, I was starting to really pull into this intuition that I was getting this like higher guidance, not knowing that that's what it was we did. We learned all about our chakras. We learned all about our energy centers. I learned all about what an empath is. I learned all about me. It wasn't about me healing other people. It was about me understanding myself so that I could move to the next place on my journey. And at the end of that retreat, we did an attunement, another show. Chakra opener happened. I had a past life, actually a past life hanging come through my throat, and I was my head was thrown back, and I was in this lock, and there was all this energy that was trying to open up. I was foaming at the mouth. It was an incredible moment that everyone got to visually witness. I got to physically experience it. I was very scared, because I had never done anything like that before. I knew I was held because I was with Kelly and all these women. But I had to then with that experience, that night, I saw I saw my past life. I saw myself as, you know, the witches that were up in the northeast of of the United States, up in Salem, I don't know if that was the experience, but it wasn't. It looked like that. I was part of what I experienced in that lifetime. Was I saw myself being beaten out in this field of wheat. I could see the wheat flowing back and forth, and I could see myself, and I know that it was a part of that lifetime, because I had that vision that night after the throat opener, I had to go home in my home by myself. You know, no one was there anymore. And like, process these experiences and and then, you know, try to understand what they were and move forward into whatever the next piece of me was, and the next piece of me that I was supposed to experience was Ayahuasca. I started, I had another person come out of you know, of me saying yes, and this woman said, a financial advisor. Introduced me to this woman, actually, I said to the universe, I need a financial advisor. I need someone who can understand my situation. I need to get all my things buttoned up and and figured out. And so I went to a networking event, and this woman's like, do you need? You need to financial advice. I didn't even mention it. I just like, I need you to meet Amy. I met Amy. Amy had just gone through her Reiki training. Like, this is, this is how it happens with me, there's like, and Amy said, You need to meet this other woman. So I met this other woman, and she said, I'd love to do trade for business coaching. And so I did coaching with her. And then she said, Pamela, I'd love for you to work for my company, doing some marketing. And I said, Sure. Well, through that, I went to a symposium, this training that they had down in Florida. I walked in the room, and on the other side of this big banquet room, I saw the owner of the company, and I thought, oh my gosh, there he is. You know, I've seen his photo. I've done work on his business. Never met him in person. So I walk up to him, and I said, Hey Steve, Hi. Excuse me. I'm I'm Pamela. It's so nice to meet you. And he turned and he looked at me, and this energy shot through my head, out my heart, same thing happened to him, and I had never experienced anything like that before. And he looked at me, and he said, Do you feel that? I said, I do. Well, fast forward, after the symposium, I go back to my home. I'm on a zoom Call. Call. I'm working. My phone rings. I see this odd number. I hear it's Steve. I get off my call, I listen to my voicemail. It's Steve. I'd like to explore what happens, um, give me a call. So we're talking, and it was just so in alignment. It was just so lovely, because the energy was so beautiful. And he said, I don't know why I'm telling you this, but I'm getting ready to go on a retreat to do plant medicine, to do Ayahuasca. And I was like, I'm being called to do Ayahuasca. So through that experience of ayahuasca, at the end of that journey, that week long journey, I had a white light shoot through my third eye, my whole body filled up with vibration. And I heard everything from this moment forward, will be different. Your psychic abilities have been enhanced. So I went back home after that, and I started working with the guides. I started working I didn't know that they were the guides at that point, I started working with these frequencies that were coming in. I was having experiences with all different kinds of extraterrestrial beings. I didn't know that's what they were at the time. It was a discovery. We were all getting to know each other. I had to experience beings in different vibrations. I could feel their frequency. I could feel what their what they actually felt like, their density, it's hard to explain. They would speak their language to me. So although their languages were totally different, some were like, Bucha, they were that's probably one of them, because I feel like they're embedded in me. And then some of them are like, super high, and they're all very different. And I would spend time working with frequencies, working with beings. I had to to understand the high frequency of the council and the low density of other, lower density beings, other entities, other frequencies. And I wasn't with anyone. I was home alone during the pandemic. I had this bank of time. Work on them. And I sat with the guides, the very first beings that came through with this beautiful group of lovely, feminine divine beings. And every time they would come in, I knew I was going to work on another past life. And I did a lot of that work to heighten my frequency and heighten my frequency for several months, and then suddenly this energy came spinning. I could feel it, I could hear it. And then this language started. Just went and it was light language. And ultimately it was the very beginning of the council lowering their frequency, and me raising my frequency, and us having this transfer of energy. There's a physicality to it. It was my body had to be able to harness that energy. So working together, we got to this point of familiarity where I was able to pull it in and work on my physicality. And they had patients with me. They're amazing. Until I got to a point in 2024 where I was feeling comfortable to share it with my spiritual community. In 2020 I woke up in the middle of night, I had a vision. I was told, spirit calling, spirit calling. I didn't know what that was. Then, over the course of year, I kept hearing and seeing and having visions and premonitions and all these things, and I heard there's going to be a glass ceiling that breaks, people are going to stop in their tracks. They're not going to know who and what they are looking at, what their world has been built upon, and they're going to need a safe place to land. And they need to create this community, this portal. And finally, after a year, I did it. I launched it in January of 2024 and I was afraid Jake to put myself out there with these premonitions. In 2020 I had visions. I had downloads. I saw all of these things that are coming to our planet in the future. I don't know when. I just know that they're the future. I've seen things like, you know, tectonic plates shifting giant land masses falling off of continents. I had dreams of tsunamis over and over and over and over and over again. I mean, I can't even tell you how many times I was told that the weather patterns were going to get very, very crazy, simultaneous volcanoes going off at the same time hurricanes. And then I was told that there would be an event.

Jannecke Øinæs 17:24

Hey guys, I want to jump in here to give my thanks for being part of the Wisdom From North community. Your support and engagement means the world to us. We put so much passion, so much love into these episodes, and my intention is really to be part of this great shift of consciousness, to do what I can do with this channel, to help people expand their consciousness, love themselves more, follow their purpose and shine their light. So if you haven't yet subscribed, I would love for you to do so. Thank you so much. You'll find the link somewhere here below. And now let's go back to the episode before we jump into that. Can I just, I have so many questions the Council of light. Who are they?

Pamela Downes 18:15

They are high, high, super, high love frequency beings, or creator beings. So, you know, some channelers have contracts to come back and teach of love, to come back and teach of frequency, to come back and teach of whatever it is. Some are not allowed to talk about some of the events that are coming into the world. Some are, some are, I am. I'm supposed to be. It's very clear that they created us. They want to be here to support us. So when I chant, who created us, the creator beings, the great council of light, yes, they were part of that creator being. So some of the first beings that I channel were raw and thoughts, they're super, super, super, ancient, old creator beings.

Jannecke Øinæs 19:05

Is that sort of the same Ra that is in the law one that's one Ra rise in a way, speaking through more channels. Now, yes,

Pamela Downes 19:19

I have a friend that I met on my path of channeling that channels Thoth. He wasn't my friend at the time he is now. I met him because I didn't know what the heck was happening to me. Someone introduced me to him when I first started channeling, and he said, Pamela. I knew that he channeled Thoth. I knew I was going to meet with him that day. Thoth came in that morning to me, you know their frequency, they can be channeled by anyone who's everyone has these abilities, but not everyone has, you know, worked with them to do this. Ra came in first. And Ra is like, I mean, no nonsense. It the power that came through me. V and his energy was, I mean, I could feel it. Now that was scary for me. You know, it was in the council when you see them come in. And if you've ever seen me channel them, they are very, very powerful, very, very powerful beings. When I went on next level soul, it tripped out the monitors when I just went to Sean Kelly in Las Vegas, he had problems with his monitors. It doesn't happen this way, which is, you know, fascinating to me, but they said they've never had anything ever happened like that, 1500 episodes, and they never had it again that day. So they're very, very powerful beings. Did it answer your question?

Jannecke Øinæs 20:41

would you know what kind of dimension they're from? I know in the Law of One they speak about, I think that they are coming from the sixth, sixth density. Is that the same? Or do you do you have other dimensions that they say that they come from?

Pamela Downes 20:57

Yeah, good question. I believe that it's higher than that only because of the frequency. When they first came in, we talk about dimensions. They've talked about 11 or 12, and I don't get in the weeds with all of those details, because they know that I'm not good with memory them and communicating about them, but because of their frequency. Yes, I believe that they're higher than that, and because of all the work that I had to do to continue to raise my vibration and raise my vibration, yes, I would say that they are higher than that, but they're very loving. And you know, people meet these messages, and they meet when they see me channeling, they meet that with the level of fear that they have, or they meet these predictions, on these premonitions with the level of fear that they have inside of them. So people might write comments like, how, how is this helping us? Because the guides just want to help us. They don't. They want to help us navigate through it. They don't want to help us, like, by saying, like, prepare. That's not what it's about. It's about ascension. It's about raising your individual frequency so that you were in a position to ascend easier. You know that that heightened frequency is going to allow you to ascend easier, because when the shifts happen, when these changes come to our planet, and they're here now. But higher fearful, lower density, lower vibrational experiences, you're going to be able to rise above it. That's what they always talk about. You're going to be able to rise above it. You're not going to be swept up in it. For all of those that are constantly just looking at the news, looking at fearful things, you know, resonating in that, swimming in it, just that's how they spend their days. They're not able to shift into that. And that's their job. That's my job. You know that I've signed up for

Jannecke Øinæs 22:52

It is, in a way, a contradiction, and I find many contradictions within spirituality in general, because I see the benefit of knowing something that it might happen, if we steer towards that with our energy. In another way, it's a lot of focus on being in the now, and we create from the now. So the future on the past is just an illusion. Everything that happens now is the only reality so absolutely. But to me, I've always gone back to the example of when I was single and I went to psychics who told me there is a man coming. That made me keep the hope and sort of feel that, okay, this is within my reach like this can happen, instead of thinking, what if it never happens? Like them saying, there is someone for you that made me, I believe, raise my vibration and and manifest it even more actually. So to me, that has been helpful. I don't know you know if they actually saw the one I'm with now or not, but to me, it was helpful now. Oh, yeah, back to that example,

Pamela Downes 24:05

absolutely well, you were resonating in a frequency to allow yourself to connect to a future of your that already exists. So that opportunity of possibility was already there. And you were in a frequency to align to it, to receive it, and if you stayed in that frequency to align to it, to receive it, you will receive it. And so there's salt, there's karmic there's there's soul contracts, there's all these things that are working simultaneously at the same time. And if you made the right decisions in love and stayed in the frequency of love to ultimately be able to meet that person, to have that connection, that would happen, right? So that's why that happens. Um, same with me. I mean, they're the nuggets that keep us moving on our path in those directions, and I believe that they are, you know, little helpers that come along the way. I had them also. They led me to here today.

Jannecke Øinæs 24:57

Yeah yeah. Cool, yeah. I. I guess that as well, it usually is, you know, people just come to me, and I discover people. And I don't think that it's my doing. It just happens and and the funniest synchronicities happen, like I will get an email from a person who's asking about a guest, and then the guest is writing me an hour afterwards, like out of the blue, like things like that happens all the time. But I wanted to jump back to sort of the benefit of predictions, because you had a vision in 2020 a peaceful alien parade is coming. Yeah, I was thinking when I watched that video, that this is a way to prepare humanity, because the more we speak about it, when it actually happens, it's not like

Pamela Downes 25:50

exactly, that's the whole point is, you just said it in a nutshell. Yes, exactly, because they know that we're fearful, because they know that the ways that our world were built upon were to dumb us down and to close us off from all that is, we are a part of all that is, we're not out here on a planet floating around by ourselves. It's nonsense, right? But that's what we've been programmed to believe. We've been our our connection to all that is has been stifled through our food, through through music, through the entertainment industry, it's just like the fear that's around us continually. It lowers our frequency. And look at movies. Look at what we've seen our entire just you and I, our entire life up until this point, what's been programmed in in movies fear. Be afraid of what's out there. Be afraid of they're going to come and they're going to come and they're going to eat us. They're going to burn us up. They're going to, you know, destroy our civilization. It's simply not so. So they these higher dimensional beings that live in different frequencies, that exist in all that is with us. Want us to know that that's that is the reality, that we are all the same, that we are all energy, omnipotent, beautiful beings. I mean, what's more beautiful than that, right? So they want, they want us to share that, me and others to share that message, the the parade. I call it an awareness campaign, because I'm a marketer. It's a giant shift and what I've seen in the vision, and what they've told me many times, it's just a giant parade of ships in the sky. As far as the eye can see. They're not hurting us. They're not doing anything, but merely saying, Hello, we are here. We are you. You are we are all one, you know, and I know that I want to, I would want to know something's coming, like I'm, I love, I'm an over communicator. I wouldn't want to know everything that's coming. And it is to just help us break that and open up that awareness. And it's happening now, just in the last two years, Janica, you've seen so many things happen in our world to kind of crack that open people's perspectives up to a larger, a larger view in in not just planet Earth, in in the universe, in the omniverse, like to all that is,

Jannecke Øinæs 28:19

do you think it was symbolic, or do you think that you actually saw that this is an event that's going to happen, a concrete event at a certain time?

Pamela Downes 28:28

It's an event for sure. Yes, it's an event for sure. I've seen it, and they've told me about it. So they talk about different things that are coming to our planet. They talk to me and our community. I channel a message every month for our community, and we are taught by the council, and I share it with our community members, and it's all about timelines and probabilities. And like you said, and we talked about your relationship and your psychic experience, there are simultaneous timelines happening constantly, everyone's individual choices and collective choices affect that timeline. They've talked about things that are just really high probability of things that are happening, that are going to come and because human examples, human kind is moving in that in that place. Yes, yes, this great reveal that they've talked about, not the ships in the sky, but they just channeled about it again. I channeled the April message for my community. And it's the ways in which our planet are created, the beings that created the ways that our planet runs, how our world was created. It's going to be revealed, and that, to me, is that moment that they've talked to me about Since 2020 that glass ceiling breaking. That's really going to be like a sudden shift in a. Awareness, immediately, a sudden shift in awareness, where, when I see it, I see light, light bodies all over the planet just going, like waking up. It's because suddenly the shell of this smallness of of what we've been conditioned to believe is just it's like a shell, like an egg cracked open, and we are bright and open and aware. And is there a learning curve with that, of course, but it's just like, and you know, I hate to say COVID all the time, but, or 911 or things that happen in our world that suddenly shift us and wake us up, and that's, that's basically, you know what it is, it's a sudden waking up and returning to a greater awareness and greater consciousness.

Jannecke Øinæs 30:54

I get curious, and I think my audience gets curious as well. Are you talking about more like a devastating event like that, or more of a revelation, or maybe, maybe a disclosure of something that will open our eyes, rather than, like a horrible event.

Pamela Downes 31:12

I'm talking about all of them. It's more than one, for sure. Yeah, it's more than one. Um, and so the timelines will determine which ones will come. But for sure, so people talk about, you know, New Earth energy, and they talk about this beautiful civilization that we're going to return to. There's only one way to get there, and we have to go through shift and the breakdown, and that's what's happening now. Government's changing before our eyes, through the use of social media and tools like look at you and I connected in this way right now, being able to have this conversation, technology has really assisted in this awareness. People are seeing things on a very basic level that they never saw before, just in just in our world, just in our government, our entertainment industries. So those structures were created in a low, lower, dense frequency. As our planet raises its vibration, as everybody's starting to say, hey, that doesn't resonate with me anymore. That person's message doesn't resonate with me anymore. That way of being doesn't resonate with me anymore. Their aha moments, their shifts in vibration, in consciousness, individually, collectively, the earth, like compounded, all that lower density entanglement that we're all connected in right now is breaking down. It's a web, and light is coming through. And so ultimately, it's going to be a reversal. It's going to be a shift. It's going to be returned back to more of that higher frequency consciousness. It's going to permeate the planet instead of where it is now,

Jannecke Øinæs 32:56

there's so many things you've mentioned that I could go into here that is super interesting. You mentioned someone creating us, and I have to go there. So who has created us, and could you share a little bit about what you know about her? Our history that might not be the history we read in the history books.

Pamela Downes 33:18

Yeah. So some of the history that I've been shown and that I have known just from my own self discovery, and I don't really talk about this all the time. So this is, this is an interesting experience for me and the timing of it, but there are lower vibrational beings. They live in different frequency than us. We can't see them. They understand the guides talk about, they just had me download and channel a pineal gland meditation. It is so freaking powerful. It talks about how our DNA was manipulated, and it talks about how our pineal glands are calcified by the ways of our world, the things that we eat, the things that we've been told to do, and it's supposed to and it has been with my community and others. It's very powerful. It goes from the inside out breaking that just like I talked about that egg. Because we are beautiful beings of light, we have energy systems that run through our bodies. We have pineal glands. We are able to use our telepathy. We are we have all of these ways of being that we're not using because we have been manipulated to not use them. We are basically a slave race. We were brought here to be a slave race, and we're born into a system that tells us how to think, tells us what to learn, tells us what to eat, tells us how to act, tells us how to do every single thing that we do, and that manipulation is starting to break down because of what I talked about before, the frequency the planet is shifting. Consciousness is shifting. The beings that run our world are not able to maintain their frequency, like all the truths of that. I don't want to get too far into it. Because it's kind of gruesome, but, um, all the beings that run our world, they're kind of throwing darts, trying to keep fear, trying to keep us in this fear space, because that's what they that's that's where they need us to be. And we're breaking out of that. We're slowly breaking out of that. So think about it like think about something small, like the music industry. Music is a frequency you I do a custom sound healing every month for our community that feeds your vibration. It might work with a certain chakra. There's a density to certain kinds of music that for certain kinds of populations, that keep them in a low frequency. And the more that you're having that low frequency, and the more that you're eating fast food, which is a low frequency, and the more that you have rubber on your feet, which is a low frequency, and disconnect you from the planet, the the more that you're working in chaos, and you're you're doing nine to five and running this and running that, and busy doing this. You're not paying attention to your frequency. That is the majority of our world. The more that you're looking at social media, and you're connected to nonsense, and you're you're fighting. We're been built and conditioned to fight, parties, colors, all of it, religions, all of it. It's just everything is, is is contrast, and it's occupying your minds, and it's occupying your thoughts, and it's occupying your being, which affects your frequency, right? So that's basically what we live in, what we've been conditioned to live in. And the more people who are watching your podcast and the more people who are learning about higher vibrational food, or who are learning about meditation, who are are starting to listen to something that doesn't feel in alignment with them, and they're starting to use their tools or higher wisdom. They're starting to have higher and better conversations. It's simple things that are the guides talk about turning it one degree, just turning it one degree in your life, it could change everything. Now allow yourself to experience that, and now turn it one more degree and watch yourself experience that. And that's how the shift happens. That's what's happening on the planet too. So individually and on the planet, um, you know, that's what I talk about with the great reveal. That's what I talk about people stopping in their tracks, falling to their knees, not understanding all of it. All the dots are going to be connected.

Jannecke Øinæs 37:33

Do you have some time frame on that? I think I saw a video where you said, in March it starts, or

Pamela Downes 37:41

the unraveling,

Jannecke Øinæs 37:41

The unraveling. And we're past March now, so I guess, yeah, spring is going to be interesting.

Pamela Downes 37:48

Yeah. So in my 2025 predictions video that I put out in January, they talk about, you know, attacks coming to the United States. They took and they're those moments of expansion, where things that were things come out of nowhere that you were not expecting, that I talked about before. I have the 2025 predictions video here. It's, they talk about, they talked about, last year, a breakdown in the music industry and entertainment industry, people falling far from their positions. And we saw that last year. We saw that with, you know, one person in particularly, who really was his parties were revealed. What happens at the parties were revealed. That's scratching the surface. Jannecke, of what's actually happening. We don't see any of that. Those are the people that run our world. That's what I'm talking about, the guides talk about, you know, how they sold them themselves, their souls, basically to a lower density frequency, because they wanted fame. They wanted all the things they didn't really know what they were getting into. Um, you can go look at my YouTube and look at your community. And the 2024 predictions videos on there too, in the 2025 but they also talked about there being an assassination attempt on on Donald Trump, and there was, you know, and so that they're the breakdowns. That's the breakdown that was starting. And so they said in in March, the breakdown, the unraveling, was going to start. Now we're still in March. We have some more time, but we've seen I live near Washington, DC, there's been lots of changes. They said the government, the two party system that we call our government, is changing before our eyes. Yeah, yeah. This was in the beginning of January. There's been a lot of stuff that's happened over here in the States. It's affected our economy, our business world. I'm a part of that down here in Washington, DC. Everyone is nervous. No one understands what's happening with these tariffs. Nobody understands if they're going to have funding or money. Nonprofits are affected like it's all changing. So that's the unraveling. We're not going to feel those effects for months. We're not going to feel those effects. So my business. Just won't feel that. It'll start to feel it now, but it's going to be compounded months from now. They said that you'll see a sharing of critical information that will show your world that your people in control of the government, lifestyle brands, the media and news and entertainment and sports industries are all false and not real. There are people who have signed contracts and relinquished their soul or their self, as you would say, not only to the position of power and fame, but to the controllers of your world, there'll be a breakdown of all things in the music and entertainment industries. You'll see the media slam them as if they were not to blame or have had nothing to do with those circumstances. So a huge consciousness shift will happen in your world. For that consciousness shift, all will be revealed and shown to your world. Some will not stand it. And they talk about shifts in the in the United States, there'll be things that happen from within our country. You know, events that happen from within our country. They talk about simultaneous events that will be transmitted on our televisions and news and media showing images of explosions and attacks on our people in our cities. So, you know, they at the moment when I channeled that those were the high probabilities that without, you know, the high probable outcomes. Things can shift. You know, anything can happen. But at that moment, that's what was on the forecast for the near future in 2025 but they want to understand, everyone to understand. And they said this in one of our messages, we are the creators of our reality. This can be happening all around us, but we are the creators of our real that's why shifting your frequency now, working on your energy body now, is imperative. You have to you. It's a must, so that when these things happen, you're not just like you're not dropping to your knees like everyone else you are. First of all, you're aware that's coming number one. Number two is you've worked on your your energy body. You're able to stand strongly in a storm, to weather it, to know what's happening, and also to be able to rise above it, to be able to rise above it.

Jannecke Øinæs 42:15

Wow, gosh, there's so much here. I wish we had hours. And I would love also to bring in the Council of light a few moments. Is that possible?

Pamela Downes 42:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm just, like, I said, with Alex, I'm new to it, so sometimes it just comes out very easily, or sometimes, like, I might have to stop and, like, reconnect. But either way, it's, let's do this thing. Okay? They come in very quickly.

Pamela Downes 42:44

Yes, we are here. We are here. We are happy to be here. Yes, indeed, we are here. You were asking about the creator beings and the beings that have created your planet, and the ways in which your planet was created. Yes, our collective of beings that came to your planet and saw your beings and manipulated them, their DNA, all of the expressives coming from them, moving forward, everything expressed to you, for you, in ways that you would experience your planet, Earth. It is shifting now before your eyes, it is inevitable now that you be prepared for change in consciousness, for with the change, a shift will happen. Vibration love permeate once again, all that is all will be connected interdimensionally, working freely together to create a wonderful experience for you once again, yes, indeed.

Jannecke Øinæs 43:54

Thank you so much for being here. That is good news, that you're saying that wonderful things will be created. That, that that's good. And sometimes I'm wondering so these people who control the planet or or who have ill intentions, or maybe collaborating with lower vibrational beings like Pamela mentioned, why do they not receive an awakening? And why don't they receive help from beings like yourself or higher?

Pamela Downes 44:28

It is not their purpose to experience the awakening in the same way as humankind to the different frequency. It is a different experience. They are different dimension, and they are serving a purpose for your beings. Now on planet Earth, it is a different entire process for them. They are here as experience and humans together, oof.

Pamela Downes 45:00

Uh, excuse me, yeah, I know I sometimes I get like, choked up because it's a lot of energy to come through. It's intense. Yeah, it is. It is very intense. And, um, I'm like this trying to keep my mind from being in the way, you know, trying to, they taught me this tactile thing. So I'll continue to do that. Okay,

Pamela Downes 45:21

yes, well, yeah, we are here.

Jannecke Øinæs 45:24

Okay, yeah, you spoke about that. These people are on a different frequency and have a different mission. All right, so is that on a sole contract level that we have an agreement of, sort of the lights against the dark.

Pamela Downes 45:42

Yes, it is a different experience altogether, dear one, it is not the same. You're applying human experience to their experience. They are beings that have lived in a dimension, and that is where they exist within that dimension. They are here because they are in desire of your planet. They desire your planet Earth. They have on your planet Earth for a very, very long time, that experience now is shifting. They are losing their control. Now, with the loss of their control, you will see a shift, great shift, a great shift on planet Earth. So your question is, are they here? Fossil contracts, new? It is just their existence within that dimension. Do you understand?

Jannecke Øinæs 46:36

Well, I kind of don't understand, in a way like this is, in a way, not new for me. I've heard it before, but it's just so beyond my reality. Because in my perspective, I've always thought that all humans have just different soul contracts, that we've been reincarnating, maybe from other places, but not that we're different beings on the same planet in a way,

Pamela Downes 47:02

yes, in different dimensions. We exist and live in different dimensions. You are here in your three dimensional reality. They are there within our frequency and their dimension, residing in that space. You are not able to experience their dimension. They are able to experience yours, manipulating your beings and your frequency. Do you understand

Jannecke Øinæs 47:27

a little bit? So you're speaking about many of our leaders in the world right now?

Pamela Downes 47:32

Yes, yes, indeed.

Jannecke Øinæs 47:37

So on the positive note, when can we expect this really positive shift, like seeing it in our reality like, wow, life has really changed for the better.

Pamela Downes 47:49

Oh, it depends, because your frequency ever shifting higher and higher as you experience experiences on your earth plane encompassing more love and understanding connected to all that is you will see an improvement within each experience with your life, which is why you came to this planet to experience betterment, love, understanding at its core. So inevitably, you will experience all that your soul has desired to experience within individual experiences on your earth plane,

Pamela Downes 48:29

that was cool, yeah, I heard I like that. That was cool.

Jannecke Øinæs 48:34

You're back so fast.

Pamela Downes 48:36

I know it's interesting. Rayon, all right.

Jannecke Øinæs 48:41

I mean, I'm not surprised by this in many ways, because I've been out of my body. And if I hadn't been out of my body and had those mystical experiences, I think I would be much more skeptical. I am a rational person, but since I've had those experiences, and they were so wild, and I was like, is, does this exist? Like, I never, never. No one told me that this existed. So I know that is possible, that there can be so many other things that I don't know exist, that actually is there. I just don't see it, yeah,

Pamela Downes 49:21

like, for instance, I was in Las Vegas for a podcast interview last weekend. I've never been to that city before, nor did I have a desire to go. I went for this. I was told I woke up in the middle in the morning. I didn't even open my eyes yet, but my awareness became open. The guide said, remain sober. And I thought, Okay, that's interesting. They never talked to me about that. I always ask them about situations. Got in the shower, they started channeling, excuse me, they started telling me that the frequency of Las Vegas is so incredibly low that there are so many entities and energies. Running rampantly, and I need to protect my soul, body and my energy as much as possible. So, I mean, you didn't have to tell me again. That was fine. I didn't know what I was going to experience. Jannecke, it was an incredible experience. After the appearance, I was in my room, and I was having psychic attacks. I was being attacked by these beings, and I would feel them nudge me. And I was working with the council. I was raising my vibration, but they were around me, and the council knew that this was going to happen to me energetically. That's why they told me, because they knew I'd probably have a cocktail or something with my friend. I went into the shower, and the guy started working with me, and I this, this webbed, energetic being came right up to me. I saw its face, and the guides went to recede, and it it went away. And then it happened on this side too. And I was like, you know, like, I have never experienced these were Reptilian beings. I had never experienced their frequency.

Pamela Downes 51:09

I had learned about them from the guides and all these other things, but they're one of them that I haven't experienced. And so I experienced them that day, and that's what I'm talking about with that low density, that low frequency, that low control energy. It's that it's very real. And so they're walking around in our reality, and we're not able to see them, but they're able to see us.

Jannecke Øinæs 51:35

Okay? So do we need to protect ourselves or not? Yes, there are a lot, okay, I just want to mention there are a lot of guests or spiritual teachers who say no, because when you think you need to protect yourself, you need to protect yourself, but if you are in the energy of love, you are protected any who,

Pamela Downes 51:54

yes,, I agree with there's I have thoughts on both of those things. I know that to be true for myself, but when there's something that's very specific and strong, yeah, there's definitely I. Why wouldn't I want to have call in my angels and my guides? Why wouldn't I want to absolutely, I find this question interesting, because with that channel, pineal gland message, it's specifically for everyone. They want them. They want me to send this out in such a big way, because they want everyone to tap in, to be able to to connect more easily. In the beginning, they say, call in your guides, and imagine them all around your shoulders and your head, and we call in production protection. Now they've never done that before, so I'm thinking to myself, why are they doing that? And then when I listen back to it, they talk about having them assist with the frequency and the work that we are doing, and putting in this light and this energy into the pineal gland like they are an active part of your life. They are with you. So yeah, of course, they're your team. Why wouldn't you call them in? But I understand that. I understand the conversation of then you're putting yourself in a position of not feeling safe by calling that in or saying that. Again, that's frequency and vibration and perspective, you know. But there's nothing wrong with you if you're in a lower frequency and you're just starting to wake up to understand all of this stuff. Yes, why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? You condition, you, learn, you, you grow and expand their tools.

Jannecke Øinæs 53:32

Yeah, that's what I hear again and again, especially those who are channeling angels. You need to ask for help. You need to ask for help. You need to ask for help. Otherwise we can't help. What is the most important question we can ask ourselves in these times?

Pamela Downes 53:49

My biggest thing that I think that is so important right now is like, do you really need to get in to the conversation? Do you really need to post your opinion? Do you really need to stand in this position and fight this fight that really is like, step back, step back and look at the situation, step back and look at the post. And what's take a bird's eye view, take a higher view and say, Do I want to put myself in that yes or no, no, no, when you give yourself the opportunity to have that moment, that's one simple thing that you can do to protect your energy, to start raising your frequency and your vibration. As these times are changing, as our worlds are changing, as politics and entertainment and all of it is changing. You're in control of your experience yourself out, hold yourself in high regard, right? And that's one small thing that you can do. I think it's really important I try to tell everyone that

Jannecke Øinæs 54:55

I know this has not been an easy ride for you coming out. I. Know It has been difficult with friends around, family around and I just want to commend you for your courage, because what you're bringing out there is, is like, normal, spiritual be in your heart, stuff. It is,

Pamela Downes 55:17

yeah, yeah. That's one part of it. Yeah, that's one part of it. But they really, truly are such loving beings. And the lessons that they share with the community members, it's amazing. And then I channel messages for individuals, and it changes their lives like it to me that no one really sees all of those things, and I try to pepper that into my videos and my my stories and my reels and my posts, because it's truly, you know, they're our love focused beings. They truly do love us, and they just want to help us have a better experience overall.

Jannecke Øinæs 55:58

Yeah, and another thought I just had now is that I think we need different things. Some need the predictions. Others don't. They have another path. I think we generalize like, this is how the knowledge should come out, or this is the spiritual path, and no, it's this technique. Or is that way? I mean, we are very different. We need different things. And some resonate with you and become really empowered by it. Others need another Channeler that they feel empowered by. Yes, as long as you hear, you have a purpose and there's an audience for you, absolutely. I think everybody who has that calling, it's a reason why you have that calling, because then there are people who needs to hear your voice coming to the message.

Pamela Downes 56:44

I couldn't agree more. 100%

Jannecke Øinæs 56:48

Well, this has sure been interesting. And yeah, maybe I'll come back and share

Pamela Downes 56:54

that would be awesome

Ragnhild Vea 56:57

to purpose. Yes,

Jannecke Øinæs 57:00

I have a few questions I ask all my guests. What is self love to you Pamela,

Pamela Downes 57:05

oh my gosh, it's giving yourself grace and patience and love and kindness and understanding that you are here to experience all that is and to grow and expand your understanding of love. So give yourself grace and know that you know, know that Yeah,

Jannecke Øinæs 57:27

and what is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective? ,

Pamela Downes 57:30

Oh my gosh with my, with my most recent years, it's to live out loud, to live as if, like every day is the day you know, and to not coward and in fear, and to live with love at the forefront and your spirit at the forefront of everything that you do. Because I just want to do and be my very best every single day. And I'm human, and it can be challenging. It is, but to be and take advantage of everything that you can, because I'm seeing it go so fast. Jannecke, like so fast. It's like weeks are turning into days and months are turning into weeks. It's like time is going by so fast. So yeah,

Jannecke Øinæs 58:17

all right. And where can people find you if they want to work with you or be in your community or connect? Yeah.

Pamela Downes 58:23

Oh my gosh Thank you so much for asking. So I created this beautiful community. It's spirit-calling.com inside our whole bunch of people waiting to welcome you. We all love each other and support each other. Everyone's on their own unique path, and it's a safe place for you to explore your spirituality. There's courses, there's weekly events. We're having weekly events. So inside there, there's seven day free trial. Also there's a work with me page. So I'm launching a new mastermind. I'm only taking 10 people, and it's going to be really individual, like messages and guidance from the council to help people on their souls path, and then they can do private one on ones with me. And I just launched so excited. I talked about that damn pineal gland meditation I want the entire world to have this. People are having profound experiences. They're breaking out in sweats. They're like seeing and having more connection after it's done. I just launched a bundle. It's an abundance meditation and connecting to your spirit guides, meditation and a pineal gland, the powerful pineal gland meditation. They're available on my website. My social platforms are at Spirit Calling Pamela. And I'm going to be a part of New Reality TV. It's a new spiritual TV network. Um, so I'm going to have a live show there where I'm channeling the great council of light. And then I also have a show called divine wisdom on the ethereal TV network. So there's lots of stuff happening in 2025

Jannecke Øinæs 59:49

everything is blossoming for you. And I think when we start saying yes, doing deep. Times it happens so fast, like, my journey has been a long one, but I definitely see that something is happening on a YouTube channel. It's just all of a sudden, it's growing so fast. So, yeah, this is the time zone waking up. Just be prepared.

Pamela Downes 1:00:15

Yeah, be prepared. I'm so happy for you too. That's great. Yeah, so you see the shift? Do you see people coming. And that's I'm excited about that too. Yeah, thank you so much. Oh, you're welcome. I loved being with you, and I hope to see you again one day. Thank you so much.