Atlantis Echoes The Eco-Telepathy Return! With Heather Mays

Heather Mays 0:00

Like you would set a reminder on your phone. Hey, by the way, in 2025 let's remember what happened in Atlanta, so we don't really go down that path again. And it's interesting that so many of those conversations started coming to the forefront when AI started coming to the forefront as well. What they've been showing me is not to discount the fact that it is consciousness AI will come in to be more prevalent in our society, and it's up to us to bring that energy of love and compassion so that we have almost the same balance of that love with the technology. I would walk past plants and hear them say, Good morning, good day. So I always had that background kind of chatter or noise there that was everything in the world, communicating, rocks, trees, everything. I think we're returning to that in a lot of ways, when we're learning things like telepathy and connecting and just understanding that absolutely everything has consciousness.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:09

Heather Mays, a warm welcome back to the show.

Heather Mays 1:13

Thank you so much. Jannecke, I'm so excited to be back. It is always a joy to connect with you and your community. Everyone is so lovely, and I see we're representing we were talking about this earlier, heart centered energy today with our green that we did not plan to coordinate. So I'm happy to share that with everybody watching today as well.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:33

I don't know what's going on with that. That happens a lot that my guests have the same color as me, and sometimes we just shift because it's just too funny, but today we'll leave it be be the color of the heart, and I'm thrilled to have you back. We had such a wonderful conversation a year ago, and now you're also one of our master class teachers in wisdom from North membership, where you are teaching our members how to connect with divine guidance, because you have been working with your divine guidance a lot in your life, and ever since you were young, you have been really in connection with other realms. You have been a spiritual child, being a medium, connecting with animals and plants and listening to animals communicating with plants. And that's something I'm very curious about. How is you're also an intuitive counselor, an animal communicator, and you've made this beautiful portrait for me. Maybe you're looking at it right now. An energetic What do you call it? Energetic signature portrait, which is sort of a portrait of my soul. And when I saw it, it was just I was blown away, because it was so beautiful. And I thought we could start it there to speak about what that is, because that was a new thing for me, that that was possible. And also we're going to share my own portrait. So if you could start by sharing, what is that?

Heather Mays 3:06

Yeah, it's funny. You said it's a new thing for you. It was a new thing for me as well. So about five years ago now, I was receiving all these different dreams and even daytime visions of color and shape and geometry, and I didn't really know what it was, it would just kind of drift through my mind when I wasn't thinking about anything in particular. And because I have worked with my guides for a number of years, I knew that it meant something. But the other thing about working with guides, you don't always get the final answer right away, so I just knew to pay attention something would like, I'd get more detail. I was on a need to know basis, so I just enjoyed seeing all the different colors. And it would sometimes look like I was flying through the colors in my sleep. And I would wake up and go physically paint, like on Canvas, trying to do something. I thought the kind of like we were talking about wearing green. Maybe the colors are calling to me. Maybe there's something in the frequency about the colors I'm supposed to connect into. And then I started seeing a combination of color and geometry over people's faces when I would talk to them, which was lovely, but a little inconvenient, because I couldn't really have a conversation. I couldn't look in someone's eyes and have a conversation, because I would just see all these moving shapes and colors. And then I, at that time, was also working to illustrate one of my books, and I was playing with a digital art application on my iPad, and I kind of accidentally said, let me just slip into sounds so so casual. Let me just slip into a trance channeling state and see what needs to come through for this art, and something very similar to what I do now with these portraits, came through, and it was a period of trial and error. I didn't really even understand what they were, but I knew that if I could go into my channeling state, something. Come out. And then after working with it and working with a lot of my friends, I came to understand that it was the geometry, the color, the texture, the light of someone's soul. And what's funny is, the more I try to draw it, the less will come through. So it's a really good lesson in surrender for me, because I just show up and let whatever needs to come through come through. And rather than verbally channeling or automatic writing like we may have heard from other people, this comes through as art for me. So it is in some ways. It's telling the story of your soul, of who you are in this moment, of what you came here to learn, to explore, how you're influenced by the energy around you, the relationships around you, different challenges you may have gone through in your life, and there's a bit of a language to it, but it is also, as I'm told, more of A higher dimensional way of understanding who we are. So rather than going by a name or a geography where we live, this encapsulates all of us. It's the frequency of us. It's the energy of us. And there just seems to be with people who receive these this inner knowing of that feels familiar, or, I don't know how, but it feels like me. I've had beautiful testimonials where people will say, if I'm having a really bad day, I look at that portrait, maybe they put it on their lock screen of their phone or something, and they look at that and say, Now I remember who I am. So there is some connection here that I'm pulling through. It's not me. I'm just the middleman for it, but it is a way for us as we're going through our expansion or our ascension or just our evolution, however you want to classify it, everybody does classify it a little differently these days. This is a way for us to explore connecting with ourselves and with others outside of language and the traditional means of communication. And so when we look at yours, I mean it just it's so bright and beautiful and vibrant and it's interesting. I can't depict this through the art, but I often also see the images moving, and I will hear tones and sounds. And yours has this beautiful, angelic it's similar to your voice, but it's almost this amplified or boosted version of your voice that's also in here, in the art. It's really magic. I wish I could somehow get that to come back out, but I definitely can't replicate your voice. We wouldn't want me to sing so. But yeah, it's just, it's this interesting combination of so many different aspects. And we often also see guides coming through. And I see in yours, you have some very bright vertical lines on the top left and right, two are purple. Two are blue. To me, that is guide energy. And sort of like we would do if a friend were taking a selfie and you want to kind of prank them a little bit, and you'd walk behind them and do the bunny ears, or you'd make a funny face. I think sometimes when the lights come into the portrait like that, it's our guides just kind of being like, Hi. I'm popping in for a second so you can see me, so you have some of that as well in yours.

Jannecke Øinæs 8:26

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Heather Mays 10:00

v it's a little of both, which is interesting. So it's I often start, and I have these beautiful conversations with people about their art, where we go all the way in, we zoom all the way in, we look at all the different brush strokes and the techniques that were used to create it. And what I often find is the very center of the geometry, which Yours looks like, this beautiful flower placed over a grid that's often the seed of your soul. So that's almost the irreducible bit of you that came into this lifetime, and then as we expand out from that now we're talking about choices, you made, relationships, you've had, profession, how the portrait also reveals your passions and your hobbies and things that you're drawn to, both what you magnetize to you, and then also what you put out into the world. So when I look at your portrait, Yannick, there is such stunning vibrance that it just blows me away. There is so much color in here, and that feels like someone who has so much passion, such a fire within, and I would even say has probably needed to, and I know this is part of your story, but needed to reconnect with that passion. Needed to adjust some of those passions, because it almost looks to me like the like we could take the portrait, rotate it a little bit, and we're going from color to color to color to color to color. So to me, that feels like I'm trying this thing on, this thing on this thing on this thing on now the settings are dialed in, and it's funny that we had technical difficulties, because that's kind of we were dialing in settings in that way. So maybe there's no coincidence with that. I also see so much orange in here, which for me is generally connected to creativity, and I know you're a very creative person. And then these turquoise blues that are leaping off the page with such glitter and glimmer that feels like a purity of communication, which obviously, I know is a passion of yours as well. And it just feels to me like there are so many elements of your soul that came here, not just to be seen and witnessed, but to facilitate the witnessing of others, which is also beautifully aligned to what you do professionally right now, because there are these kind of thick lines above the geometry. If you look at the very top of the page, in the very bottom, it looks like there are thick bars of lines going across that, to me, looks like communication. So communication with your higher self, communication with all the different aspects of your soul that are existing on others timelines right now, this feels to me like for you, a master lifetime, where it's almost like the hub of a wheel, and all the lessons you've learned in other lifetimes as well are coming to fruition here, where you can employ and use everything that you've learned over 1000s of lifetimes here, and you may not have the physical knowing of that, but it's through the expression of everything that you do, all the ways that you are now, all the ways that you are in relationship with others, all that you bring through in your beautiful offerings to the world. It's about connection and facilitating that connection for others. So I don't know if there's the other thing that I want to point out. It's so interesting to me in it is hard to describe, because I don't have, like, can't say in subsection three, dash c of the portrait, but there are these purple circles that have a gold element in the middle, and it looks like a beautiful it looks like a tower of light. So to me, that also looks like encouraging others to shine and connecting into intuition. Because intuition is often reflected as purple through my art, and then under that there's this, like electric blue coming up, which, again, that's communication. So it's just so many different elements of passion and communication and connection, and it's being told over and over and over in such a powerful way that I think if we took you out of what you're doing now, and we we put you on any other continent, and took away the internet and anything, you would still connect with others. You would help them shine. You would help them have a voice, and you would connect into your own soul. It's just so much an element of who you are that it doesn't matter where you're situated in the world, that's what's going to come through in this lifetime.

Jannecke Øinæs 14:36

Thank you for that. That was very inspiring, and I find it I love, you know, reading, so either if it comes through the written word or channeling, or like art because or astrological readings, because it does give a confirmation that, okay, I'm supposed to be doing this when you have dark days. You know, this is. Me, this is what I'm here to do, and that's why I really support these things, because it does give you that the confidence and keep on doing what you're doing, even though sometimes it's hard,

Heather Mays 15:12

right? You're on the right track, even if you can't find your next step. That that's what it feels like, sometimes

Jannecke Øinæs 15:19

beautiful. Uh, is it all also a map over your destiny, in a way, or is it more, just like a print of this? Is you, your energy?

Heather Mays 15:31

That's a great question. So when I initially started doing these, I thought it was just, this is the sum total of you. That's it. What I learned over the the years following was that it's a an image of you. It's your soul, but it's also somehow relative to the current time. So one thing I also do with clients is give them an opportunity to get subsequent portraits, four portraits in a year, where we look at their energy over every 12 weeks, every three months, we will come back and we'll, I'll do another portrait for them, and we will see some things that are very similar. Sometimes the shapes are very similar, the colors are very similar, but elements in the portrait will change. And what that, what we've come to understand that to be, is that in some ways, foretelling or echoing things that they're going through in their lifetime. So for instance, I worked with a gentleman who went through a divorce, and he was in a custody battle for his his kids, and I didn't know that at the time. I was just doing his second portrait, and when we compared it to the first portrait, there in his first piece of art. He had larger geometry. Things looked very light and bright. And then the next time I found him, when we were doing that, and he was having that challenge with getting his kids, there were sharper images, there were some more shadows, there were things that were darker, because his soul in that moment was feeling the weight of that. So we see that things are coming in and out of our experience, influencing our soul and our energy. And then some people also use those additional portraits as forecasting in a way. So they're not their destiny necessarily, but what's coming up for them the same way you might check a horoscope to say, Okay, coming up for the next month, this is likely to happen. We can see that in the art. It's likely that you may have a challenge with your health, so we'll look out for that. Or it's likely that you're going to have a really big opportunity. I get to give that news to people a lot, which is really fun. We'll see something incredibly bright and unexpected in their portrait that wasn't there before. We also see evidence of people working on their own self development and their growth. So we will see their geometry getting bigger. We'll see their lines getting lighter. We'll see more signs of energy coming to their energy body. And that is helpful for someone who's doing the work to be able to see, okay, I see it. It's showing up in this multi dimensional aspect of me, even if I may not be witnessing it in the physical version just yet.

Jannecke Øinæs 18:10

Interesting. It seems like this is coming from all angles that we're opening up to higher realms, and the veil is getting thinner, and we're getting more and more tools to connect to the other side. And I, I just love that. And you have been sort of a magical child when you were young, and definitely on purpose with what you're doing. And I'd love to hear how it was like for you being young, hearing plants and animals communicate, like, what was that like?

Heather Mays 18:45

Well, for me, it was normal, until I was kind of told it wasn't. So I just thought, that's, that's how everybody experienced the world. I would walk past plants and hear them say, you know, good morning, good day. Could you for instance, if, like a shrub had a stick that had blown onto it from another tree, I would hear the shrub say, Would you mind removing that for me? And I would go over and pick the stick off. And you would I would feel or know that the tree was happy, or the Bush was happier at that moment. And then animals, I would hear what was really confusing, because I was a kid, and I was too young to know what to do with the information. But often I would hear animals. If they're, let's say their person would tell them to do something, go sit outside, or, you know, go to the back door. I would hear the animal kind of say, but I don't want to, or I'd rather that you come with me, or something like that. So I would hear sometimes what seems like their internal thoughts. I would hear them connecting with one another, and it was just this for me, it felt no different from when you some example that my. Help is if you're walking through a crowded restaurant and you hear conversations at other people's tables, you can kind of tune your awareness to really pay attention to what they're saying, but you can just walk past and hear it kind of in the background. So I always had that background kind of chatter or noise there that was everything in the world, communicating rocks, trees, everything. And then I would go to school and try to talk to my friends about it, and they didn't hear it. They didn't know what it was. And then, of course, adults often like to tell us to conform and behave a certain way, and don't talk about that anymore. And and so I just kind of lost the habit of speaking about it, and then eventually it dulled down to where I didn't hear it quite as much until I worked really hard to recover it and tap back into it. So it was a very magical childhood. I remember I would be outside more than anything, because it was so alive, and there was just so much going on.

Jannecke Øinæs 21:01

Wow, I assume that's how it sort of should be for all of us, if we were dial or we are dialed in, but we somehow have this strong veil, but that maybe is our natural way of being. And I still, I'm trying to understand how it's like so would a stone have a different voice than a tree, and would it be a male or female voice?

Heather Mays 21:29

That's a great question, and it would depend. So one thing I was really surprised about, and I think that's how I knew it wasn't me making it up, because I would hear different accents. I would hear words that even today, when I'm channeling those who work with me know that if I feel I have to look up a word because I don't know the definition, I know it came from my team, because I couldn't have used that word in conversation, and it was a little bit like that. So I would hear different vocabulary that I wouldn't have used, the voices differed. They could have a feminine sound or a masculine sound. They could have different what's really odd is they could have different regional accents. So a turtle might have an English accent. I don't know why, because I was not in the United Kingdom at the time, but I would just hear and know that the voices were different, and a lot of that was also based on kind of the geo location. So if I would hear something, I would be able to pinpoint where it was coming from, oh, that's the voice of the tree, because I could connect to that. And it's kind of like when you go to a playlist on your phone and you have a lot of different songs listed you you pick the one you want to hear. So I would hear almost a ripple of a conversation, or hear something that felt like it wanted to connect, almost like tapping on my energy, excuse me, pardon me. And then if I would tune into it, that's when I would start to hear things more clearly, and I would know where they would come from. But yes, it could be all different kinds of sounds, younger younger things, younger plants, younger animals may have younger sounding voices, just like our children have younger voices than we do so and I do agree with you. I think it's the natural way of being. I think we're returning to that in a lot of ways, when we're learning things like telepathy and connecting and just understanding that absolutely everything has consciousness and it is all energy, the degree to which we want to let that flow of information in, I think that's sometimes where we do a little more of The work, because if you're just wide open to that all day, it can drain your energy a little bit. So yeah, it but yeah, it was natural and then unnatural all at the same time.

Jannecke Øinæs 23:55

Wow. I'm curious if you perceive then how they perceived us, humans, like dogs and animals and cats and trees and plants. Did you get like, an experience of them knowing that we're not hearing them and they're being like, oh, humans, you know, they they think that we're not conscious?

Heather Mays 24:23

Yeah, it's funny that skills when you ask that question. So yes, they have an awareness that they are often not heard. And particularly, I can remember this most distinctly with animals. And this came a little later in life, when I would volunteer with rescue organizations, and they would have big adoption fairs, where they would be 10 or 20 different pets up for adoption, and all kinds of people walking through to determine if that's the dog they want to adopt. And I would, I was a pet photographer at the time, and this, this came in handy doing pet photography, because I would telepath. Connect to the animals and kind of get their personality, get them safe in being able to showcase their personality. But the first few times I would connect with a pet or and even wildlife, when you connect into them, you can almost feel how startled they are, like, oh, oh, someone, someone can hear me, because so many are unconscious to that and unaware of that. And I definitely feel that also with trees, if you I think, if anyone who loves nature and goes into a big forest or a stand of trees, whether you can hear them as voices or not, you know that energy is very different from being in a city, and that's very different energy from being next to the ocean. There's a different texture to it. When I go into a forest, I'm connecting with the trees and the birds and the rocks and all of the things in it. And there is this sense of almost, at first, kind of a hush, like a it's a human don't reveal too much, because, but then there's a sense of relief that, oh, okay, this one, this one, isn't going to misunderstand what she's hearing or something like that. And that's no that's not to inflate my own ego. That's just the experience of 1000s of years, if not millions, of years, of nature, feeling neglected in that way and more objectified, I think, than neglected where we just aren't hearing the precious voices of absolutely everything around us.

Jannecke Øinæs 26:34

Wow. And I've heard you also had a meditation or a mystical experience where you saw multiple facets of you as Heather, you felt yourself as a tree, and also from the Atlantean time, Atlantis, Atlantean from Atlanta, and a horse. I think it was, would you like to share that mystical experience.

Heather Mays 27:03

Sure, it was an unexpected mystical experience. So I've been meditating for over 30 years, and most meditations for me are actually kind of normal, and it's just my mind quieting, or I'll take a guided meditation where I'm doing a journey. You know, most people who have meditated have tried that you go to the cave or you go to the lake or whatever visualization you're doing, but this time, I was just deepening into myself, and I saw almost like there's a vertical stack of different versions of me that I could kind of climb up almost like a spiral staircase, and I would go up a level and witness that life. Go up a level witness that life. And that doesn't mean the higher ones were better or higher frequency or anything like that. It was just the way that energy presented to me. And so I was able to witness lifetimes where, yes, I was a tree, and I think that ties in nicely to what we were talking about, because in that lifetime, it was to learn patience, to learn wisdom, to learn tolerance, to learn stillness, and to learn about change with the leaves changing on the tree, and to learn about being a witnesser, because as a tree, they're they're truly observing everything around without necessarily being able to influence anything. So if you can imagine having that kind of lifetime where you just watch the world go by, and then having a lifetime as a horse, where there's this unbounded freedom of being able to run and being able to see landscapes change as you're running past them, but also the partnership with humans in a different way, and then a lifetime in Atlantis, where I was a healer and worked very specifically with placing energy into crystals and using that crystal in combination with water or oils or things like that to facilitate healing for people. And I mean, there were just so many of them and and kind of at the top of that stack or that spiral, was this larger than life version of me that I I assume and know to have been my oversoul or my higher self. And it was, I think you've had a similar experience in meditation where you're out of yourself and you feel large, larger than you can even describe. And so it was as soon as I tapped into that aspect of me, it was that I saw all of those other aspects almost as tendrils of that same version of me, and then it all collapsed back down like a little collapsible cup or something. But it was really interesting to I was seeing them in my mind's eye, but I was also feeling the emotion so it I've never had a past life regression. I. But I would assume that somewhat like that, only in a really brief version where you get to feel, see, know the themes of those particular lifetimes. But above all, it was this. I came out of that with this understanding that number one, every lifetime we have is incredibly precious, and it feeds our soul in some different ways. So even if we are a rock or we're an earthworm, and it seems like this really small existence compared to being human, where you could fly across the world, you could go to the moon, you could do all these amazing things, there's such beauty in the limitation of what we would call a smaller life, and that's absolutely essential for our souls to learn that as we're on our journey and there's no different. There's no difference. There's no hierarchy in types of lives or types of lifetimes. They're all beautiful ways for our souls to explore what we want to learn.

Jannecke Øinæs 30:57

Hey guys, I want to jump in here to give my thanks for being part of the Wisdom From North community. Your support and engagement means the world to us. We put so much passion, so much love into these episodes, and my intention is really to be part of this great shift of consciousness, to do what I can do with this channel, to help people expand their consciousness, love themselves more, follow their purpose and shine their light. So if you haven't yet subscribed, I would love for you to do so. Thank you so much. You'll find the link somewhere here below. And now let's go back to the episode. And I think perhaps it wasn't a coincidence that you experience Atlantis, for instance, because you could have experienced 1000 other versions of yourself, probably. And my guess is that it might be connected to this time many have been speaking about that Atlantis, its fall is something that sort of reflects the time we're living in now, where it's sort of, it's sort of the focus on we shouldn't have that fall happening again like it did with Atlantis. Do you have any thoughts about that? Having been to Atlantis, having a memory of that, I don't know if it was during the fall or if it was earlier, or if you also see a connection to the times where we find ourselves in now,

Heather Mays 32:36

yeah, great question. I do think that the lifetime I witnessed was during the fall, because there was this aspect of storing things in the crystals for later, almost like we would today, store water or store food in case there's a storm or something. So we were using the crystals for healing, but we were also putting some aside for a later time. And maybe that's something that we'll discover in the coming years that there are these caches of crystals somewhere with knowledge and but I do agree that this time is sort of cyclical in that we're coming back to something similar, where it is the battle between technology and humanity in some sense. And can we allow both to exist? Can they co exist? Or does one need to triumph over the other? And I think, from what I understand of Atlantis at that time, we took the path of technology and downplaying humanity and downplaying our intuitive abilities, downplaying our connection, and instead choosing for what you might call the easy road, or something like that, where there was less connection. I think many of the wisdom keepers from that time have chosen to come back in to incarnate at this time, so that it's almost like we had a dress rehearsal, and now we're here to really do it in front of an audience. So this is, this is the go round of the play, where we've learned our lines. We know what went wrong, we know our marking and our blocking. And can we get it this time? Can we maybe navigate things a little more differently, knowing what we learned from the fall of Atlantis, coming back with that knowledge encoded in ourselves, in the DNA of our being. And can we make different choices? And can we not just personally make different choices, but influence those around us toward this more loving, compassionate way of being, which still elevates society? I think that was part of the the challenge of Atlantis is the two paths that diverged was, oh, we can have things be really quick, really efficient, really technological, or we can still be human. But if you listen to so much of what's being talked about on beautiful conversations like this, we're elevating humanity. We're elevating consciousness. So it. Isn't that technology is better than and and humanity and consciousness is less than we are elevating ourselves to be better, if not at the same level, so that we have this preferred outcome of truly Living from the heart, living from connection, living in that magical, mythical way where we do understand everything around us is consciousness and is a partner in this world, just as we are. So I think, yeah, there's definitely no coincidence that so many of us are having those memories. It's like this little like you would set a reminder on your phone. Hey, by the way, in 2025 let's remember what happened in Atlantis, so we don't really go down that path again. And it's interesting that so many of those conversations started coming to the forefront when AI started coming to the forefront as well, because it's that that kind of struggle or that balance that we're seeking in those worlds,

Jannecke Øinæs 35:57

you have sort of a direct connection with your guides, and what have they been saying about AI and AI in relation to consciousness?

Heather Mays 36:08

I think it can be a beautiful tool for us. What what they've been showing me is not to discount the fact that it is consciousness that we are, in some ways, playing out the role of creator, which we know we are all divine creators here in this lifetime, as we interact with as we program, even if you don't consider yourself someone who is training AI or using AI in that way, but in the conversations that we have about it, in the ways that we quickly use it to do certain tasks, look things up online, things like that. Pay attention to the consciousness you're bringing to it. Pay attention to the energy that you're bringing to it. Because in some ways this is going to be an underestimation of it, but in some ways it's like growing a plant from a seedling, if you speak to it with love, if you nurture it, if you fertilize it, if you give it water, grows into a beautiful flower. If you leave it in the corner of the room without sunlight, it it shrivels and it doesn't thrive. So AI will come in to be more prevalent in our society, and it's up to us to bring that energy of love and compassion and and I think again, there's no coincidence that so many of us are on this journey to self love and journey to expansion in these things, so that we have almost the same balance of that Love with the technology. But it's not my guides have not shared with me anyway that there is some gloom and doom out outcome for this. But I think it, it is in our best interest when you interact with AI, even small things like saying, Please, could you give me X, Y or Z, whatever you're looking for, interact with it like you would a trusted companion and a friend, rather than just barking orders to it or considering it as mindless, because it may not showcase in the ways that most of us might use it as being having an emotional intelligence now that's almost inherent in the building of consciousness. So what you're feeding it is what will come back out of it as well.

Jannecke Øinæs 38:27

And would you like to share a little bit about what your guides have been sharing about these times I know you're giving some monthly forecasts on your channel, your YouTube channel, yeah,

Heather Mays 38:38

yeah. So I think it's not a surprise to any of us that it's a bit of a bumpy road, but my guides have been consistent in sharing that it's all for the positive. So anything we're experiencing, the chaos that we're witnessing, the wars that we're seeing, the scary stuff in the world. It's all in service to the betterment of us. It's all food, like, like the fertilizer for the plant. It's all fertilizer for our souls. Because when we're witnessing that, we are becoming these powerful, true we're the team the guys are saying now we're just remembering. It's not becoming we're remembering that we are the true creators in our experience. So if we're showing, being shown, things that are scary or frightening or terrorizing, that we come to that. And when we witness it, we alchemize it, because we're witnessing it with love. We're witnessing it with compassion. And that is how things change and evolve. If we didn't have the resistance of what you might call the dark stuff, the scary stuff, then we wouldn't be able to build our muscle of light as much. Just like going to the gym, you can lift tiny little weight, you'll be okay, but you're not going to grow the big muscles. So even seeing things around us that are. Challenging as that like, oh, that's that's my next opportunity to raise my frequency that much better, to go that much deeper into myself, and remember my true nature of creation and my true nature of divinity, rise to that occasion. And we will. We will prevail. And then I think the other aspect that the team is showing is we will definitely prevail. Some will choose not to, and I know there are others who have said that some will choose not to go to the gym, so to speak. Some will choose not to do the work they don't want to do the self development. They'll they'll buy into all the scary stuff, and that's okay for their soul. That's what they wanted to learn, that's what they wanted to experience. And to see that not as, oh, they're not going to ascend, or they're not going to be on this great path of the New Earth, but to witness that and say that's beautiful that they are on their journey in that way, because that allows so much more, so many more of us to live the elevated path that we're on and to seek our own enlightenment. So it isn't any kind of them versus us, or a certain group will go forward and a certain group will not it's all about the soul's choice, and there is no wrong path in it.

Jannecke Øinæs 41:20

That's good to hear that there's no judgment in that. I really like that perspective, that we do have the free will and there's no judgment, even though it is hard sometimes when certain souls are choosing to harm another, that's where I find difficulties in not judging from a human perspective,

Heather Mays 41:48

sure, absolutely, absolutely. If we pop that up to a soul contract level, I don't know that this makes it any easier to witness. It certainly doesn't. But if we take that to a soul contract level, the soul who is being harmed may have desired that lesson, wanted that challenge. And so there is, there's an element of both of those individuals, the perpetrator and the victim, at a soul level, learning something that's important, not just for them, but for all of us, because we all learn our lessons, not just for our own souls journey, but for everyone together. We're all kind of like investigative reporters getting our own little bit of knowledge. We take it back to the beautiful collective that we all inhabit and share that with one another, so we don't have perhaps we don't have the ability to love as big until we see someone being hurt, but once we witness that, it awakens in us our own compassion, and it helps us soften into how we relate to others. But if we don't have that sharp contrast, we don't tune in our own settings as much.

Jannecke Øinæs 43:04

And I also think that anger and frustration has its place. You know, becoming angry seeing people getting hurt, because anger can also be an emotion where you're actually taking action towards something. And I know it's not of the highest vibration, but seeing horror in the world and seeing terrible things happen and getting frustrated and angry can actually make you take action sometimes. Yeah, yeah,

Heather Mays 43:41

that's a beautiful perspective. And so for anyone, what that made me think of is, for anyone who is thinking, Oh, 24/7 news, you know, it's all the bad news all the time, we're seeing everything in every corner of the world that could go wrong. But to your point, if we didn't witness it, we might not know to change it. So we have to see it first to then get angry, get frustrated, and start to change things in the world, because we could just go along to get along, and not make any changes. And then, where's the evolution in that for us as a species? Where's the self development in that? And anybody who has been on a journey of self development. You'll know often you don't just kind of fall backwards into it, oh, gee, I think I'll just, you know, develop my soul and learn all these really hard lessons. Today, it's because you're learning the hard things. It's because you had the illness, the breakup, the job loss, something that prompts you to say, I might need to change. I don't like how things are going. So if we don't have the example of what we don't prefer, we can't step into what we do prefer.

Jannecke Øinæs 44:47

Yeah, because sometimes I think we can lose ourselves a bit in a spiritual bypass that, oh, I should be sort of okay with this. I should just accept it and perceive it. And have a not have a distance towards it, but have compassion and love. But if we don't feel like we're able to do that, because that is of a very high vibration, to be able to just show love for what ever, ever is happening in the world, or feel compassion, we could try to do that, but that's not always what we're actually feeling. So I think it's important not to feel that we're failing. If we're actually feeling anger, let's say we're in a dysfunctional relationship. We're not being treated well, and yes, from a soul contract, we maybe chose it, but it's not always easy to just feel compassion for the other person who is harming you. Anger, I think, is healthy, you know, to set boundaries that this is actually not okay. It's sort of tough. And to me, I've just arrived at that these emotions also has have a lot of value and are part of our shadows, often because we're not supposed to feel them, and they're there for a reason, and it's not that we're going to act out the Anger, but make some choices in the right direction, because we feel, Oh, this is unfair. So me that is just important to speak about, especially within spiritual conversations, that we're not supposed to be in love all the time. It's okay to feel the anger and the frustration absolutely,

Heather Mays 46:45

yeah, there's a time for love and light, and there's a time for the down and dirty of being human. I mean, I think we are here to move through even if we look at it at a collective level, we're here to move through a lot of dense stuff, a lot of dense emotions. And you don't do that by bypassing it. You do that by, you know, I'm seeing the image now of if you drive down a road and there's a lot of trash on it, you can close your eyes and just say, Oh, it's such a pretty such a pretty road. There's nothing there. Or you can get out and pick up the trash and make it a pretty road. So different choices there, but the Lower, lower frequencies, I think we've also just, we've screwed ourselves up by doing higher lower frequency, because it doesn't mean higher is better and lower is bad. Lower is just as valuable. And there are times you need to get yourself in gear and get something done. And you don't always do that from that perspective of bliss and joy and love.

Jannecke Øinæs 47:48

Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's my perspective. I want to jump over to the guides and your connection with guides. And in your master class in wisdom from North membership, you teach our members how to connect with guides. And if you could speak a little bit to what kind of guides can we have, and how do they communicate with us?

Heather Mays 48:08

Great question, one of my favorite topics ever. I'm so excited to to be hosting that master class. So in my experience, and I am just one individual, but I am one individual who has had a team of guides on board since she was a kid. We have a few different types of guides. I like to classify them because I think often when we hear about channeling or guides, it's a little bit of a an open ended topic. We just think there's going to be this general amazing knowledge that comes through to us, and wow, it'll just be so enlightening, and I'll be this better version of myself for it. And it can be that, but often it's like nurturing any other kind of relationship that we have. You can meet the great guy, but if you just stare at him from across the room, you're not going to have a relationship. You gotta, you gotta go up, you have a conversation, you go on a few dates, same, same with the guides. You have to kind of develop that relationship and know the different kinds and how they can connect with you. So in my experience, we have primary or functional guides who are the guides who worked with us. We talked a little bit earlier about the soul contract they're with us to really map out, hey, I want to be Heather in this lifetime. I want to go in in this particular year. I want to learn these different things. Can you help me develop a map to do that? And so they'll work with us, looking at the landscape of the timeline that we want to incarnate in. And then once we come through into physical form, and we have that veil placed over us bail of amnesia, where we don't necessarily remember why we chose to be here in this particular time, our guides have the map for us so they can communicate and nudge us in subtle ways, or send us guidance to say you know what. You've been here too long. You might want to move to this different place now, because you're not going to learn the lesson. In this lifetime that you really wanted to come for. So we all have two or three of those. And after that, I would say the next type of guide are the angelic guides. And those are the ones I like to say. They get all the fanfare because they come in with the miracles. They come in with the really big stuff. For me, their energy typically feels lighter and larger, and it depends who you know, it's an individual perception, but I find generally, angels come in and out of someone as their team of guides. They may not be fully present for their entire lifetime, but they come in as needed. There are also galactic guides, so guides from other dimensions, other realms. Then there are animals or Elementals. So that often presents, not just as you know, I connect to a horse in spirit or something like that, but it might be the consciousness, the collective consciousness, of that species. So if you feel drawn to looking at wolves, or if you feel drawn I have in my house, I have a lot of bears, for some reason, I really like the energy of a bear, but it's often that the messages and the characteristics of that animal are something that you can take on board as a soul. And so you'll start seeing those in your awareness when that's something that you need to maybe pay attention to or take on for yourself. And then we can have loved ones in spirit who are guides. And for me, this is one again, I'm just one person, and it's my perspective, but we often hear people want to have that their loved ones, in spirit, are their team of guides. So my grandfather who passed over, or this person or that person, and they can be guidance in a certain way, but they aren't always necessarily full on guides, which means they don't have unlimited knowledge to your lifetime, because they had their own physical incarnation and and they relate to you in relation to who they were in your lifetime until the point in time you cross over. And there are exceptions to all of that as well. So that's just in general. But then the ways that they can communicate with us, one of my favorite is with signs. And I think we've all talked about so many times the angel numbers, or seeing different numbers frequently, that can be guides communicating lights flashing on and off. Can be guides communicating manipulation of the physical environment.

Jannecke Øinæs 52:37

Yeah, if I may, jump in, because there's so many people asking about these Angel numbers and what they mean. So do they mean something general for all of us, or is it very individual when you see 22 33, etc.

Heather Mays 52:51

What's interesting is, had you asked me that probably 15 years ago, I had a checklist, and I still have it in some of my courses, where 222, means this 333. Means this 444, is this 555, and I think that still exists to some extent. But what I'm finding the more our consciousness develops, and the more people come to this work, the more personal those numbers can be. So for instance, 1111. Is something very specific to me. It's the time that my father passed away. So when I see 1111 it has its own meaning. Someone else might see 1111 and it means something different for them. So I think it can be a combination of both. And there's a lot of resources out there that that list out the numbers and their meanings, or you could even go based off of numerology, if anyone's aware of that, what the different numbers mean, and if I'm seeing the number 8am, I on my life path or something like that? But often it is something really personal. I just had a conversation a few days ago with someone who sees 1234, all the time. 12341234, she'll see it on the clock, she'll see it on spreadsheets. She'll see it everywhere. And she's like, I have no idea what this is trying to tell me. And in that conversation, we connected to her father in spirit. And she would see kind of the the three pop out more, if you can imagine seeing the numbers in sequence, but the three kept meaning something kind of important, and she was three of four in the family. So in that way, it was very personal to her. Somebody else might see their birthday flash a lot. And when you start working with your guides, part of the I call it fun. My students don't always call it fun, but part of the fun is decrypting that for yourself. Okay, I'm seeing 7274 what does that mean? What does that mean to me? Do those numbers mean anything? There can also be a way that your guides communicate mind. Do this in which each type of guide, or each specific guide, has its own number, almost like its own phone number. But if, if you see. 333, that might mean it's your galactic team trying to get your attention, whereas, if you see a different number, it might be a different type of guide. So there's, it's unlimited how it can present itself, which I know is not helpful for people who are learning so they're like, Well, I still have no answer, but it, I find it fun that it can be personal to each and every one of you, and you can work with a coach, or, you know, a teacher to help kind of unpack that for yourselves if you get stuck, but it's part of the adventure of learning what that means.

Jannecke Øinæs 55:30

Yeah, I definitely know that this is real for me, at least, because I had a year where I was seeing tutu and Jaguar everywhere. Yeah, because it was hilarious, because I started laughing, and I started showing people see, you know, Jaguar, I see Jaguars everywhere, and it was in all kinds of forms. It could be a car, obviously, it could be on television. It could be on brands, Jaguar brands, like, I didn't know that it stood I went to the India on an ashram, and I went into the bathroom, and it was like a Jaguar brand. And I just started laughing. And I was like, what is up with this Jaguar? What is he trying to tell me or she? And then that was the year when I went from musical theater and then started wisdom from north. So basically I said, Thank you. I'm done with musical theater now. I'm moving into something different. I didn't know at that at the time, but that was the year part of Wisdom From North.

Heather Mays 56:37

Wow, I love that. Oh, what a what a powerful animal to come in and mark that occasion for you and help you tune into that. Yeah, yes. Really cool. Yeah.

Jannecke Øinæs 56:51

And 22 is family number a lot of dates in my family, many have got married and being born and stuff like that. And after that it subsided. So it was that year at 2012 the Jaguar, and then it subsided a bit. But when I see a

Heather Mays 57:10

2012 so that ends in two, two, right?

Jannecke Øinæs 57:14

That too. So yeah, so I wanted to ask you, you you see other people's guides? Right? So do you see any guides that I have for instance,

Heather Mays 57:24

I think we have to also do like the word c takes on so many different definitions when we're doing this work. So see physically, sometimes see in my mind's eye, yes, and I like to make that distinction, because sometimes people come up to me and be like, Who's Who's with me, who's behind, not necessarily like behind you, like that, but I can tune in. Um, so let me say, let me tune into your energy. There's, I want to tell you, you have a joy guide, because there is just like this sense of such excitement and joy around you. So your team is very excited and happy and hype. Yeah, interesting, so they're gonna give me so the short answer is, yes, I think you have a primary team of five or six guides. And I should mention too, guides can come in and out of our existence. So for instance, when I was writing a book, I had guides who were helpful with that specific like organizing, writing, condensing thought into form. I have art guides when I'm doing my art. So right now, I think you have five to six guides. There is this beautiful they're kind of showing me their image. So there's this beautiful, tall woman who has dark hair. She feels like she's wearing this beautiful, kind of violet purple, blue robe top to bottom, like a hood, the robe all the way down, and she feels Pleiadian actually is her connection, but she's showing up in kind of a humanoid form, which they don't always need to do, but I find it helpful. It's less frightening for me when they do that, and she gonna give me a name. Sometimes I'll hear like the phonetic pronunciation of a name. So they're gonna spell out this particular name for me, a, n, i r, w, y, a, and I'm glad they're spelling it, because I wouldn't know how to pronounce that a near reward that's that's a lot of letters there, and she feels like I got a very sisterly energy with her. So I feel that in perhaps other exhibits. Senses. You've been very connected with her, and you may flip flop, you may be her guide in some incarnations that she has,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:00:08

yeah, so interesting, because I was just going to ask you, and I don't know where that came from, can we be guides from for other

Heather Mays 1:00:19

Yeah? There you go. Yeah. So yeah, double confirmation for that. So yes, and because she says she's showing me like we go together, like two and two always. So I mean, she says always, I was going to correct that. And she was like, No, always. She has a firmness to her as well, but she feels very connected to all of the expansion that you do, all of the things that feel undefined for you, so where you may have just the tiniest idea and think, Oh, that would be really exciting. I don't know if I want to go explore that so kind of inspirational stuff when you have that curiosity, which I feel like, for you is a lot, because she just made me feel like it's all the time. I'm always here to help with that. So let's just say, for instance, you get interested in gardening, so part of her job as a guide would be to facilitate that topic for you, to bring things into your awareness, like you were saying about the 22 and the Jaguar. She's the one who kind of places those around you so that you notice and witness them and dive into them. But that's why she's like, I'm so busy, because it's there's all these different topics that we want to explore. That's one in particular I also feel that you have, ah, there's a human connected to what I would call the Avalon timeline, or that time period that feels very Knights of the Round Table, King Arthur, that kind of stuff. But this feels like someone who was like a Merlin character, maybe specifically Merlin, but a Merlin kind of being, a wise wizard kind of being, and he comes in a robe as well. You have a dress code for your guides, I guess. But he feels very connected to helping you ground those ideas in so taking action on the things, not just having the curiosity or the inspiration or the spark, but then walking through something. And it's almost like this alchemical process of bringing an idea into form, and he helps support you with that. And they both make me feel that you I don't know if you have the conscious memory of this, but I feel that you witnessed them as a child. So that might be you saw lights in your room, or you saw kind of shadows walking by that wouldn't really have been there something like that, because they're kind of taking back to where you had asked me you have a pretty mystical, magical childhood. You're like, Well, you did as well. There's just aspects that you have forgotten because maybe they weren't reinforced enough for you.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:03:18

Yeah, I would have definitely forgotten that, or I don't remember it. I just know that I had a drawing where I was drawing aliens when I was four years old. And I've seen those drawings, and I find that peculiar that I drew beings and UFOs in the corner and stuff like that.

Heather Mays 1:03:37

You're saying that was part of your family that you were drawing like from your last, your previous lifetime.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:03:43

And what is interesting also is that I just interviewed Amanda Ellis today, and she talked about Merlin and that time, and a King Arthur. And I'm like, and you're mentioning it now, and that's not something I feel

Heather Mays 1:03:59

Yeah. I do too. That's awesome. I love it.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:04:06

So do they have any message for Wisdom From North maybe about the show and its purpose, and its purpose for or what, what the real message is about the show? Because sometimes I'm curious. I'm just following my intuition. I'm following my passion and my joy, and I feel Wisdom From North is so much bigger than me. It's just happening without me controlling much, actually,

Heather Mays 1:04:35

yeah, and that's part of, I think that's part of the lesson is, you are someone who can steer a ship very well. You can control things. You can make things happen for yourself. So in one way, this is an experience of surrender and going with the flow. And when you do that in the topics that you choose and the guests that you choose, in anything you're doing aligned with the business, you're doing it for you, and you're. Souls lesson, but you're also setting an example for others to be able to do it as well. So you are shifting consciousness. They're showing me kind of taking maybe you'll know this reference because they're showing me music. They're saying it's like a half note, a half step up. You're helping consciousness shift in that way. Not to say that's limit, that's so limiting that it's just a half note. No, that's just part of part of what you're doing is lifting the awareness and the consciousness and people come to your interviews specifically because of the curiosity that you bring, because of the compassion that you share, because of the honesty that you share, and that particular resonance, that particular song, if you will, is really special and unique in this space. So it is a way for consciousness to uplift the real purpose of it. They're saying is to not have a real purpose technically, and to just keep following that flow and that surrender grabbing they're showing me like grabbing rings. It looks like a gymnast when they have the rings that they hold on to, letting go of one ring in order to grab the next. So if there's, I don't know if there's anything coming up for you too, where it feels like I really need to let that part of something go specifically in order to grab on to something else. They're saying, trust the momentum that pulls you through that in that way, because you will always be supported and held and you'll always grab on to something specifically. And then they would like to also say, for anyone in the community who is listening to take a moment and really honor where you are today compared to where you were even a month ago, a year ago, 10 years ago, because we're on such a fast path of growth that it just feels like I need to go to the next thing I need to learn. The next thing I need to go, go, go, go. But part of that is pausing to be able to see witness and really appreciate for yourselves how far you've come, how much you've explored, how many aspects of yourself you have reformed and allowed yourself to soften into. So they're really giving credit to everyone present listening, including you, Jannecke, that there's just such strength that everybody has shown and shared along the way of this journey, and that it's also just going up, up, up, up from here for Wisdom From North, because it is, I know you hit 100k a while back. I think it's they're showing me like it looks, I don't know if you saw the movie Harry Potter. This is the reference they're using. There's a scene in there where they go into one of the it's not a cave, one of the places where they keep all kinds of jewels and gold and things like that. And I can't think of it, the vault, that's it. And there's a spell that gets enacted where everything they touch replicates. And so all of a sudden the room is like, full of everything. So they're just showing me that replicating, replicating, replicating, replicating, everything's getting bigger. So that's exciting. That sounds like growth for me. So that's great, interesting,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:08:19

and I would like to share with the audience. I did not plan on this. I was planning on quitting YouTube in 2023 or something or 22 and then, actually, it all shifted where I had this call in a way, to start making videos again. And I connected with Alex Ferrari on Next Level Soul, and he gave me some tip, and I was like, Oh, I feel inspired to just do this again. And then it just really started to grow. So I had 50,000 subscribers at that time, and now I almost have 200,000 in, like, one year and a half, like, it has really changed so much, and my plan was to focus on Scandinavia create Norwegian courses, because that's what we're actually doing. But now it feels like I'm just so pulled to YouTube. So it is this part of surrendering, because we do have less time to focus on the Norwegian audience and my Norwegian courses and stuff like that. But I'm like, Okay, I guess that's where I'm supposed to be now, and we see how long this adventure would will last, because I feel like I cannot go against it. I just have to be along with a ride and see what happens. So yeah, it is a surrendering path, for sure, and as long as it's fun, I'll keep doing it and it feels meaningful. And I also wanted to ask you, if you if my guides have a specific or another actually powerful message to the audience listening today, like a final message, ,

Heather Mays 1:09:52

yeah lead from your heart and learn from your heart. Right? So that's the phrase that came through. And what they're showing me is, when we're talking about there being fearful things in the world, chaos, war, abuse, neglect, things like that. Yes, we what we were talking about there, they're reconfirming, getting angry about things, getting frustrated, moving into a state of action is in its own way, purpose work so not to dive into your own personal growth as a way to avoid what's going on, but to use your personal growth as the leverage to help us solve some of these world problems that for so long we've been made to feel that we are so much smaller than we really are, and this is a time to flip that for ourselves, but also as the collective, and say, No, we are this force of pure, deep, absolutely irreducible love, and that is what shifts everything. That is what heals everything, but that also starts, and I knew you're, you're a big proponent of this topic, so it makes sense, starts with self love, because if you don't have that, it's the old adage of you can't pour from an empty cup. But it's true. There are so many things in the world that want to deflate us or make us feel we're less than so really stepping into that, I see what you're trying to say about me world. But no, I am. I'm coming back to the seed of who I am, and really operating from that point, and even when we they're saying, when you wake up at first thing in the morning, to really, and this is a meditation I had or a guided visualization on my YouTube channel. And I won't do it justice remembering it today, but they're they're showing it to me again. Imagine that you take your energy and descend it all the way down from where we tend to think in our brain, and put it in the space of your heart. And imagine decorating the space of your heart like it's this beautiful room that for you is absolutely beautifully comfortable. For some people, it may look like there's couches and beautiful pillows. For someone, it might look like a bedroom for someone, it might feel like a kitchen where there's all kinds of warmth and conversation and whatever that looks like for you, imagine, as you go through your day, that you a tiny version of you is looking out from that room. How does that change how you witness something? If you're looking out from the room of your heart onto everything you see throughout the day, it's going to give you a different perspective than being here and trying to do the human thing. But if you're in that space of comfort, in that space of like being in a nest of who you truly are, and operate from that, see everything from that, react from that, and see how that shifts things for you.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:12:53

That's beautiful. Thank you so much to you and to the guides for that powerful message. And speaking of self love, so Heather, what is self love to you?

Heather Mays 1:13:06

Great question. I think self love is tending the Sacred Flame of all creation. We can give and give and give and give to others, and so many of us do if we don't recognize within ourselves that we are those powerful creators and that we are able to regenerate love and that love truly is all that it is, then we just end up being depleted and we kind of miss the mark. So the sacred tending, the Sacred Flame of all creation is what I would say, nice,

Jannecke Øinæs 1:13:44

beautiful. And what is the deeper meaning of life? From your perspective,

Heather Mays 1:13:50

the deeper meaning of life? It's going to sound a little maybe immature, but I'm going to say to live in a state of enjoyment. And by that, I mean in joy. I N, j, o, y, live in joy for everything. Appreciate all the lessons that you're learning, all the hard things that you're witnessing, because they are really feeding and fueling your soul, and they are allowing others as well as we're on this, these parallel journeys with one another, allowing everyone to grow in this state of enjoyment, and it helps to shift out of the frustration as well that we sometimes fall into so easily. But if you live from a state of enjoyment, then that just allows you to get really down deep into everything that is here for us.

Jannecke Øinæs 1:14:47

Thank you so much, Heather. Where can people connect with you? If they want to watch your videos, if they want to have a portrait? Then, of course, we'll have a link below, but share a little bit about your work.

Heather Mays 1:14:58

Yeah. Thank you so much. It's been a delight. Best place to find me is my website, Heather mays.com and from there, you can get to the art to any of the services that I offer, any of the online classes that I have. My YouTube channel is Heather Mays as well, and I share weekly channelings from the guides and monthly forecasts and sometimes just other random videos, as I feel called to do there. I also have a new channel, very, very small. But if anyone wants daily affirmations, I just felt a calling to put those out there. So I do a really quick 30 to 62 sec affirmation every day, and that's on YouTube @HeatherMays, but I look forward to connecting with anyone who feels called to reach out, and thank you all for for being present and for holding this space for us to have this amazing conversation

Jannecke Øinæs 1:15:47

that was beautifully said. Yeah, thank you everybody in the community, and also for everybody who wants to enjoy more of Heather's work, we have a beautiful community in Wisdom From North Membership. And you are our featured massterclass teacher in April 2025 where you are teaching our members how to connect with our guides. So a link is down below. Uh, thank you so much, Heather for coming back to the show of me shine the light that you are.

Heather Mays 1:16:13

Thank you. Jannecke, Bye, everybody.