Soulmate, Twin Flame, and Karmic Love: The Secrets of Spiritual Relationships! With Karen Bell

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So soulmate, karmic, twin, flame. The reason that we wanted to talk about relationships first is because they are the greatest catalyst for spiritual and personal growth. Every relationship, every interaction, is here to serve you, to serve your evolution as a spiritual being while you are here in the physical, while you're in this body.

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Hello, Karen, a warm welcome back to the show. Hi

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Jannecke, thank you so much for having me back. I'm so excited to connect with you again.

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Me too. I loved our previous conversation, and by popular demand, you're back. I loved your channeling. It was such in depth teaching from your Andromedan guide called saroi. And today I actually want to have a bit of fun and do things a bit differently, because I reached out to my audience, on my community tab, on my channel, and I asked what they were curious about. So we're going to have some questions from our community on Wisdom From North actually, and see where we'll go.

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Yeah, that's fine. I love that. She loves answering questions, so I think that's a great idea. That'll be fun.

1:20

So for those who are new to you, could you share a little bit about how you started to channel and who Saraya, Sariah, yeah.

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Sarai, yeah.

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Sarai, yeah,

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yeah, for sure. So I guess the way it all started for me was many years ago. I was working as a makeup artist at the time, and, you know, it started very subtly, so the channeling didn't happen overnight. But what happened when I was a makeup artist was I was starting to receive, I guess, what you'd call psychic impressions, when I would do people's makeup. So that's how it started. It started out very subtly, and from there, it just kind of progressed next into mediumistic or mediumship communication, so I was communicating with people's loved ones. On the other side, I was so blessed to be able to become involved with a spiritualist church that helped me understand what was really happening and helped me develop those abilities. And then the way the channeling started was really it was when I decided finally to really dedicate and devote myself to a daily meditation practice. This is back in, I guess, 2017 or 2018 and so I started getting up very early in the morning to meditate for at least half an hour, sometimes longer than that. And what started to happen in my meditations after about, I'd say, one or two months, is I started to be aware of this presence beside me. And it wasn't that I really, truly understood that it was a being. At first, I just had this sense of this beautiful energy beside me, and I could see that it was blue. It was almost appeared like a blue orb, and I could sense the energy emanating from this being. And so that's how it started. And so as I continued to sit in meditation, over time, I started to receive these intuitive messages that I would start. I started writing them down. And then, at first those those transcripts, I guess I'll call them. Those transcripts became my very first YouTube videos. I wasn't openly saying that I was channeling at the time, I would just, you know, transcribe these little messages and then make YouTube shorts out of the transcripts. And then over time, it just progressed. So as I continued to meditate, as I continued to connect with this being, as I continued to, at first, you know, write these messages down over time? Well, it started. I started. I created a group so that we could meditate together online every week. And as we joined together in meditation, I had aware, an awareness of this guide, or this energy, being present and again, wandering, wanting to offer communication only this time it was she started to speak through me so. Long story short, it was kind of a gradual unfoldment that took place over the course of almost 20 years. But it started very subtly with very subtle psychic impressions, which progressed to mediumistic experiences, and then the channeling has been just in the last vocal channeling has really just been about a year and a half, and then this interaction with this particular guide has been, I guess, about little over five years. So that's how it all started,

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wonderful and you are a trance channel. Does that mean you don't remember or are present, sort of as Karen during the channeling?

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Yeah. So what trance just implies I'm in an altered state when I channel. So what happens to me is that I shift into this altered state, which really is an altered brainwave state, and so in that state, she's able to speak through me. I can I am there in the sense that it's almost like I'm witnessing I kind of always feel that I'm off to the. Side and I am, I can't hear what's being said. I'm listening. But oftentimes, when I come out of that altered state, although I'll remember for a few minutes, you know, if you ask me that afternoon what was said in the session, I don't have any recollection. So the easiest way I can describe it is that it's kind of like a dream. You know, when you wake up from a dream in the morning and you remember what you dreamt right in the first few moments after you wake up. But then if someone asks you later on in the day what you dreamt, you have no clue. So that's, that's how I experienced that trance state.

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All right, you know, I think we're just going to jump into this all the questions. So if you could open up for the channeling to happen. We can start

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Yes for sure, so just give me a couple moments to shift my state, and she'll begin probably with a couple words, and then you can ask your questions.

So so we've been looking forward to this interaction, and we so appreciate your participation with this interaction, and we so appreciate your willingness to spread wisdom, energy and information across the globe in the way that you do now, before we take your questions, we just like to speak, just for a moment or two about a topic that we feel is important to not only you, but to your listeners and to your viewers. And that topic is the topic of relationships. Now, this is a common question. You may have some questions regarding relationship, regarding relationships from a soul perspective. For example, soul mates, twin flames, this type of i these types of ideas, these types of topics. What we wish to present to you, right off the bat, on the topic of relationship, is that every relationship, you can look at it as a type of energetic exchange. It's an exchange of energy. And so oftentimes, when one has questions about relationship. What helps bring a sense of clarity about the situation and about the relationship is to begin to understand and to look at it from an energetic standpoint and an energetic point of view, meaning you begin to look at the energetic Exchange, or the energy dynamics that are present under the surface. What is the energetic tone? What is the resonance? What is actually happening as opposed as opposed to what is happening on the surface, in terms of the surface level interaction? What you will find as you begin to examine your relationships from this energetic point of view is that many of these energetic, emotional charges related to who's right or who's wrong or what is going on in terms of the surface level, start to dissipate. And so you can clearly see from a standpoint of neutrality, what is actually going on in the relationship, and that will bring you clarity. So we will elaborate on that as we take any questions that you may have going forward, and particularly if there are any questions about relationship, what we'd ask is that you'd begin with those questions first.

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Well, I assume I wonder how destined a soulmate relationship is when it comes to a romantic partner, and if there really is a difference between twin souls and soulmates and karmic relationships, or if that is more of a myth. And from what I understand, a karmic relationship is someone you have had many lives with, and you are sorting out the karma. And a soulmate is a more easy, not easy, but a relationship that is flowing really well. It's very harmonious, the most ideal partner to have. And then the twin soul is like propelling you forward. It can be a complicated relationship, but maybe the relationship where you actually grow the most, that is sort of my takeaway from it from now, right?

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So let's begin there, because this is the topic that we wish to begin with, and this is a topic of great interest for your listeners, and so that's why we want to address this first. We'd like to first point out that as you view relationships through all these different lenses or filters, and that's what we suggest, that these labels are so soulmate, karmic, twin, flame, we'd suggest that first of all, begin to become aware that these labels are sort of filters through which you see relationships. We're not saying there's anything wrong with that. We're just saying that, as we spoke about before, in our last interaction, what's true is that you have to understand that you are experiencing life through this human construct, right, this physical body and this mental body, this mental construct, and. Along with the mental construct, it is sort of like the software that you are running on. And so there are different labels or mental constructs associated with different relationships. And so this idea of soulmate, karmic partner, twin flame, it's not that we're saying that that is inaccurate, but what we're saying is that often times when people approach this subject and they begin to examine through these lenses, they don't realize that they're bringing a mental construct into it that is not necessarily accurate. We would first say that everyone you encounter on a day to day basis, from the person that you meet at the bus stop to your intimate partners or your close friendships, we would say that everyone that the universe is drawing to you is, on some level, your soulmate. And we'd say the way that we describe that is that everyone that you interact with is trying to reflect back to you something they're reflecting back to something within your mental construct. Some of those things within your mental construct, or your mind, are harmonious with your higher self, your soul self, and some are dissonant with your higher self. And so when you experience dissonance in your relationships again, whether that's a casual encounter that you have at the grocery store, or whether with, it's with someone close to you, understand that it's all for the purpose of reflection, and in that sense, it serves you greatly, because you need that reflection to truly understand what's going on underneath the surface in terms of your relationships. If you don't get that, or if you don't acknowledge that, what's true is that you will often feel like a victim of certain circumstances in relationships because you don't understand or you don't see the reflection. You have an excavated yet those mental constructs in your own mind that are being reflected back to you. And so the reason that we wanted to talk about relationships first is because they are the greatest catalyst for spiritual and personal growth that you can have here while you're experiencing this incarnation. And so they are so very important again, if you start to examine your relationships from this standpoint of energy dynamics, so from the standpoint of neutrality, neutral observer. What you'll see is that there is no victim, there is no perpetrator, there are just two souls incarnating for an experience in order to evolve. And so there are energetic dynamics taking place that you can learn from and grow from. Now, in terms of karmic partner, we would say that there's some accuracy there. In terms of, as you incarnate over and over again, you tend to incarnate with similar souls, right? Because you have some sort of bond. And so yes, there's a balancing of karma. But the flip side of that is that you also choose to incarnate over and over again with the same souls, simply because it's fun, simply because you have a soul bond, and so you want to experience these various incarnations together. We'd say that is the main purpose of incarnating with the same souls, or the same beings, over and over again, not only the beings that you are actually having these physical relationships with on Earth, but also the beings that are part of your spirit team, your spirit guides, your guardians, your protectors. These are also souls or beings that you've had many lives with. Sometimes you play the role of the incarnated one, and they stand behind in the sidelines, offering you guidance. And sometimes you flip those roles. So it's very important to notice that no matter what the relationship number one, there are these soul bonds there, and that every relationship, every interaction, is here to serve you, to serve your evolution as a spiritual being, and to serve your realization of who it is you truly are while you're here in the physical while you're in this body.

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All right? Thank you so much for addressing that. Okay, so I'll jump over to my audience questions now, and there is a person who'd like to know what life is like for beings like yourself, to understand what is, what is life for you? How are you living your life? And I'm very curious about that as well.

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Well, the first thing we describe in terms of how we experience life, in terms of the differences, is that in terms of the dimension that we experience life, through which you could think of a dimension as a level of consciousness, which you could also describe as a perception. So in terms of the perception where we are, in terms of a higher vibrational or higher dimensional perspective, we see and sense the. Interconnection of life. So we see and sense our interconnection with each other. We see and sense our interconnection with you and with all of life throughout creation. And so in terms of how we experience life, it is very different, because you on the earth plane, experience life through this perception or through this lens of separation, meaning you see or sense yourselves as very separate beings from the higher dimensional realms, you begin to see and sense the interconnection of all of life, and so the way that you you decide to go about your life experience or your incarnation is very different. In the higher realms, there's an impetus or a pull to be of service to all of creation, and so it's less about being this individual incarnated and trying to just make ends meet. This is how we see most humans living out their life experience at this time, in terms of being more in a separate state and more of a survival state. That is how many humans are experiencing life at this time. But from this higher perspective, we see and sense life as interconnected, and we see and sense our beingness in all other beings. This is what we mean when we are talking about relationships. You want to begin to see and sense that all relationships are, in a sense, another aspect of you, the one consciousness, being reflected back. And so in from that perspective, life is very different. And so if you can, just for this moment, begin to imagine what life would be like if you didn't have that sense of separation, and your perception was not one of separation, but one of unity, then you may get a sense or a feel of what our life is like. It is the main difference. If we could whittle it down to one sentence, would be that we live in service to all beings, or in service to all of creation, because we don't sense any sort of interconnection, or we don't, sorry, we don't sense that separation that humans do when they're incarnated onto this earthly experience.

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All right, thank you. And there's another person asking kind of the same questions about how you're living, like, what are you doing in your spare time, and What music are you listening to, and do you have any physicality?

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So here's where it's interesting, because we can obviously feel through the questions that you're asking. These questions from the perspective of your human self, right? So from the perspective of the human that does have spare time and does have music that one is listening to, then those are the questions that would come through, and we totally understand that, but understand we'll answer the third question first, which is that we're not holding physicality. And in this dimension where we reside, there is the time that you experience in in your dimension does not exist in in that same way. And so there is no such thing as spare time, so to speak, in terms of music. Well, there are vibrations everywhere present. And so I guess you could say that there is music present. However, it's not the same as you experience on earth again, because there isn't this sense of individuality. When we look out into all of creation, what we perceive is that everything is emitting a vibration. So in the same sense that you are perceiving your musical instruments, they are emitting a vibration, and you label that as music, we gaze out at all of creation and see that that everything in creation is emanating a vibration that you can call music. Everything is music being emanated. So that's that's how we perceive reality. So it is much different, and we honor and understand your questions, but understand that these questions are being asked from the the human understanding, right? So at times, it is difficult to really convey our experience because, because it is so different that you have no reference point for it in your human experience.

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That does make sense. So over to another question, who and why was the pyramids and the megalithic structures built? And is there any men, man made structures on the Moon and Mars?

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So let's take those questions one by one. So first of all, we would say that we were not the ones associated with the ones who built the pyramids, although we would say that there was a sort of cosmic interaction that assisted those who you refer to as the Egyptians in the building of the pyramids. But we cannot really comment on that because it wasn't us who had that interaction. But we will say. That they did have assistance. And some of the assistance that was given was what you would say in terms of or what you would describe in terms of shifting what you perceive to be the laws of physics so that those giant stones could be moved in a sort of various ways, different ways. But it was not us that had that interaction. So we can't comment on that. And then so give us the second question. There was a question about, was it the moon?

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Yes, is there any man made structures on the Moon and Mars?

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Are there any man made structures on the Moon and Mars? So here's the thing, we can answer these questions, and we're happy to answer them in the best way that we can, however, understand that they do not necessarily fit with our intention for interaction. And so the Andromeda and collective that is joining together to transmit energy and information through Sarai to Karen and then to you really has the intention of healing through the shifting of mind in terms of realigning the mental construct, the mental body, that is our intention. So if you keep that in mind in terms of questions that are coming through, it would be helpful, because we could answer these questions, but because they don't have a strong correlation with our intention, we would say there's a sort of misalignment there. What we would say in terms of asking about the moon and asking about Mars is to start to examine what's behind the energy of those questions. Meaning, why is it important to understand those questions? And we would say one of the reasons it's important to ask why these questions are surfacing is because there is doubt in the collective that some of your governments have been 100% honest with their interactions with other beings, let's say. And so we would agree with that. And so we would say, as we tune into both the Moon and Mars, we would say there are structures and there is evidence there that would signify a connection or a correlation to beings from other realms or other galaxies, and so that will all be revealed in perfect timing. And so understand the reasoning behind that question. We will point it back to your own intuition in terms of this sense that you are not being told the full truth about certain things. And so we would, we would agree with that, and we would point out that the reason that you're not being told the full truth about certain things is for the purpose of a certain amount of control from those that want to be in power on your planet.

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Another person is wondering, will our pets be waiting for us on the other side?

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So again, this is slightly outside the scope. We would say yes. So All beings are experiencing a sort of incarnation throughout many dimensions or many realms. And so your pets are no different than you. They are incarnating in this earth experience to have this experience as a pet, perhaps as your pet. And so when they leave their body and move on to the next experience of life, they very much move to what you would call the spirit world, in the same way that humans do when they leave their body behind, and so they are waiting for you. Yes, but here's what we would like to share, that you don't have to wait until you cross over to that other side or that spirit world in order to have an interaction with your pets, because you can interact with that other dimension of life at any point in time. You can connect with your pets. You can connect with your loved ones. You can connect with us. You are multi dimensional beings that can connect with any dimension of reality. If you start to tune your system and tune your energy field to those frequencies.

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And there's a person here asking about what is the most important thing that each of us can do at this time?

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Thank you. That is a beautiful question, and this one speaks to our purpose in terms of the interaction at this time. And so the most important, most impactful thing that you can do as individuals at this time is to first begin to recognize who and what it is you truly are as infinite beings, beings of light, as as this soul energy that is experiencing and expressing through this human construct. So first recognizing that that is your true self, that is your true nature. And then after you. That realization the work, the day to day work, is to begin to realize that many of you, if not most of you, as you go about your day, as you go about your various interactions, as you make decisions, that you begin to notice as you connect with your true self, that when you do make decisions and when you're involved in the creation of your life, that when you're not aware of that true self, that you are making decisions and moving forward from this place of conditioning or programming from your past, when you begin to make contact with your true self, what begins to happen is You begin to open the lines of communication from this soul self, from this true self, and your life begins to be very different. You begin to make decisions based on a feeling, based on your intuition, based on what feels right for you, as opposed to that surface mind, that programmed and conditioned mind. The reason this is such an impactful choice in terms of what you can do at this time is because it very much shifts energy and shifts frequencies in terms of shifting the collective consciousness. The collective consciousness right now, you could think of it as a vibrational frequency that's very much entrenched within these programmed ideas, these repeated or repetitive thought forms that have been on repeat for a very long time. When you tune into your Higher Self, your soul self, you become more of an expansive thinker. You begin to be able to think and live and make decisions from outside of the bandwidth of those mental constructs, shifting, of course, the your part in terms of you as an individual feeding that collective consciousness. So when enough beings, when enough individuals do that, then you experience a shift in terms of the collective and just your inner work actually assists all those that you are interconnected with, which is everyone in terms of doing the exact same thing,

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All right, and over to another person who is asking about the times we're living in and whether we have been choosing to come in at this time to help and assist the ascension process, and whether we are actually different beings living on Earth right now, Star seeds, Angel beings walk ins, and whether that is something new that is happening right now, or if Earth has always been populated by different kinds of beings.

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So we would say that it is not necessarily new. We would say, we would agree that Earth has always been a sort of reality where beings from many different dimensions of reality incarnate, some just for pure curiosity. What's different about the current time that you're living in is the number of souls incarnating that are incarnating to do so in order to bring through energy and information from other realms, from other galaxies, from other civilizations that we would we would describe as being more advanced than the collective consciousness of earth at this time. So the intention of the star seed of the angelic Soul of all of these beings incarnating. And they are incarnating in droves. There are many incarnating at this time. And the intention, really is to bring that energy and information through and again, we've said this before many times, but it's not so much what you, quote, unquote, do in terms of after you awaken and realize that perhaps you are one of these beings. It's not so much what you do in life, it's what you emanate. Because those of you that would identify as a star seed or as a soul that feels sort of off planet or other worldly, if you identify as such, if you feel that that's the nature of your being, then what you are here to do is to become an emanation of a very different frequency, one that's very different than the collective. Again, with the intention of serving the whole by beginning to feed these frequencies into the collective and elevate the collective into a place of greater harmony.

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Hi there. Since you have been watching this video for quite some time now, I assume that you like it, and maybe you've been watching some of my other videos, and if you appreciate them as well and my show, please go and hit the subscribe button. That really helps us to reach out with the videos. We put so much love and work into what we're doing to help to raise that collective consciousness. So be a co creator, subscribe to my channel. Thank you so much, and may you shine the light that you are. I'll jump over to my own questions now. There was an eclipse in April 2024 where a lot of spiritual teachers talked about. Was a big change happening, a portal, an opening, that's my interpretation. Well, there, I'm curious about what actually happened and whether there will be a new incident like that in the time coming up.

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Well, we spoke about the Eclipse back in April, and we described it as a sort of metaphor in terms of when that when the moon crosses over the sun and begins to block that light, it was very much a metaphor for the human experience, or the human incarnation, in which the soul incarnates as a human. And then there is this experience of complete forgetfulness, where the the light that it is is completely forgotten, and how that is a temporary experience. So just as that Eclipse takes place, and there's a moment of darkness as the as the moon and the sun move, then there is this reunion with the light. And so we very much describe that as a sort of metaphor for the human experience in which you incarnate, you forget who you are, and then in this time of awakening, you remember who in what it is you truly are. So we would say that is a sort of the energy, or the energetic coming through at that time was coming through in terms of assisting souls to remember their true self for their true nature. There will be more events like that, not necessarily eclipses, but there will be many more events like that that hold the intention of reminding you who it is you truly are. Now we'll say, and we don't mean for this to be any sort of a negative message or a warning. But it is not always a positive experience that is that catalyst for awakening. And many of you understand what we are speaking about, because if you think that, or look back or look back upon your life experience, you would understand that sometimes it's the difficult moments that served you in terms of being the greatest awakeners, so to speak. So we would say, don't fear any of the experiences. We would say, if you are connected to source energy and connected to your true self, and you hold your spiritual practices and you maintain that intention of connecting with source, then we've described it, described it before, as sort of being in this eye of the storm, where you are in the center. And perhaps there are all of these events, perhaps even chaotic events, around you, but you are holding the center. You are strong, you are grounded, you're resilient, you're connected to your Source Self. And so these events, they may unfold around you, but they will not affect you deeply. Understand right now that this is a time of awakening. And so there are many events unfolding, all with the intention of reconnecting you with who it is you truly are. Your your civilization, you could say, is being spiritualized in a sense.

32:57

Will we experience the Golden Age in our lifetime, like Jannecke and Karen's,

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so not in the way that you are thinking of it, although in this moment, you can experience the energy of the Golden Age, if you know what it is that we are trying to convey. So the Golden Age is really a moment in time where beings have reached that reconnection with their true self, and they are emanating that energy and information through this human vessel, when many, if not most, beings have reached that level of consciousness and that level of evolution, you would describe that as The Golden Age. So we would say that you can experience that individually in this lifetime. Perhaps the collective will not. We don't feel that the collective will reach that point in these incarnations. That doesn't mean that you yourself cannot be the emanator and the broadcaster of that energy and alignment and frequency. If that makes sense to you,

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Do we, in a sense, live in different realities? I have interviewed some channelers who say that my reality is my only reality, your reality is your only reality, and that other people are players in that reality. And so I'm curious about that, and whether we are actually experiencing different realities, which means that if I was standing next to a person, we could have different realities, and we could see different things, like I could point to something and that person would not necessarily see it, because that is not in his reality.

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That's very accurate. So the way that we would begin to answer that question is to understand that there is only one being here, right? So there is one consciousness, one source energy that is. Incarnating and emanating through many different forms. Each each form you could say or describe as a holographic expression of the one source, but for each and every incarnation, the purpose of that incarnation is to offer a unique, one of a kind perspective. And so that's how we will bring it back to what you're saying in terms of experiencing an individual reality, because that would be another way of saying it. So you're experiencing this individual perspective, this individual reality that is 100% unique, just like a snowflake, and that experience, that reality, gets fed back to source as a means of energy and information being fed back to source that allows for a greater understanding and a greater expansion of who and what source is and its understanding of itself. So every you could say that every being is in its own unique reality, and depending on where they are at in terms of their level of consciousness. It is very true that two beings could be standing next to each other having a very different experience, sensing completely different things, one being able to sense something that the other cannot, simply because they're not on the same vibrational page, and so they are not perceiving the same vibrational information. It's we could describe it as if you were to put two radios next to each other, right, but each being tuned to a different station. They are receiving and experiencing a very different broadcast. Even though they are technically right next to each other, you could say it appears that they are in the same reality, but they are not really because they are experiencing and they are perceiving two very different things.

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Now, I don't know if this is aligned with you to speak about, but a few years ago, maybe 15 years ago, we spoke a lot about abduction programs, and that frightened me a bit I remember, and we don't speak so much about it anymore. I'm curious about the ETs that are not so that have not good intentions, whether there was such abduction programs going on that people were abducted and done research on and we're taking on ships, and whether that is over now, and sort of whether we can trust that those who are coming from outer space and are here have good intentions.

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So first of us, first of all, let's speak to the fact that, although we would identify as a sort of cosmic consciousness or collective of star beings, we'd first like to say that we are not the ones having those interactions with humans at this time, and we couldn't possibly because, again, we are non physical, so we wouldn't be able To have those types of physical interactions. However, there are beings that are having physical interactions, beings that are of a different dimension, of a different density, of a different level of consciousness. We would say that keep in mind that, again, this is a perfect follow up to our last question, because we were just speaking a moment ago about perception and how every being is holding a different perception. A being's perception is very much colored or influenced or filtered by where they are in terms of their level of consciousness and their mental construct. So we say that to begin because we wish for you to understand that if a being has a mental construct or a perception that it is somehow a victim. And we don't necessarily mean just a victim of an abduction, but a victim in general, meaning they feel that life is happening to them, that they have nothing to do with it. They don't see that correlation between themselves as a vibrational being and what they are experiencing in life. So if they hold that mental construct that who they are as a victim, then when they have an interaction with what you would call an ET, they will experience that interaction through that lens of victim, even though that's not necessarily what's happening. If you understand, we would say that the the beings that are interacting physically with your planet at this time, from our perspective, they are not here to cause any harm. We would say they are not ill intentioned. We would say that the beings that are interacting physically are really are here to help and to assist and in certain cases, to prevent certain catastrophes from happening. And in order to do that, they are having these physical interactions with humans. But we, I'm, we're sure that you can understand that if you were to talk to, let's say, 10 different individuals that perceive that they've had these. Interactions with ETs that some of them would perceive that they were the victim of that circumstance, and some of them would perceive that the the interaction was quite positive and even awakening and even uplifting. And so it is not so much that there are beings here with ill intent. It is that because of the way that your minds are wired, that some of you perceive these interactions as negative when that's not actually what's happening. And so we would say to keep that in mind, and not just in relation to quote, unquote abduction, but we would say, just keep that in mind across the board, because the more that you can take a standpoint in terms of not being a victim of your life, but being a creator, being, in terms of your vibrational being, and you are creating and attracting these circumstances, events and relationships in your life, the more you can take responsibility for that, then the more that You will understand that all the experiences that you have are serving you in some capacity.

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Is our manifestation powers getting stronger, or are they getting stronger in relation to how we raise our frequency? I've heard that lower vibrational emotions are not being manifested so fast because it is a lower vibration that is so it's going slower. And in the higher realms, beings manifest much quicker because of the high vibration. So it's sort of a two fold question that, since everything is speeding up, are we manifesting faster as well, or does it have to? Is it in relation to that we raise our frequency and thus we manifest more powerfully?

41:54

Yes. So understand, first, let's, let's just again. Start the answer to that question with a bit of a foundation. And so what we teach in terms of manifestation is that anytime you're seeking to manifest, there are two ways in which you can go about it. Number one, you can manifest from the mental construct or the ego consciousness. You can manifest from that place. But number two, you could also manifest or create circumstances, create your life with this, with the assistance of your soul or from your soul, we should say. So there are these two very different ways of manifesting. So let us just describe that a bit, and it will answer this question. When you manifest from the ego or the mental construct, it is often because there are some energies, or some something going on within your energetic, emotional body that you are seeking to escape from. So we use the example, if you have the belief active that you're not good enough, and then you have the emotional charge associated with that belief active in your construct, which be shame, that shame energy is present. Then if you are seeking to manifest from that place, usually what beings do is they're seeking to manifest some sort of an achievement, or an accomplishment, to prove that they are good enough. That's what we mean by manifesting from the mind, the mental construct, or the the egoic consciousness. And then, of course, there's the soul consciousness. Now when the soul is seeking to manifest, it is seeking to do so with a an energy of curiosity, an energy of joy, an energy of exploration. And so it is very different, because it's not tied up with self worth at all. It's more an energy of amusement and curiosity and joy and fun and play. So we would say, notice, first of all that when you are faced with these choices of manifestation, that you can come at it from the mind, or you can come at it from the soul. And so those are very two different vibrational frequencies that are very different. So when you ask in terms of manifesting from this higher vibrational place, we would describe that as manifesting from the soul consciousness, where you have done an amount of inner work, the inner work that involves exploring your mind and mental construct and releasing the beliefs and the accompanying emotions that are tied in with those beliefs that are not in alignment with Source energy, not in alignment with your soul. And so you have no need to manifest those sort of circumstances anymore that have to do with proving yourself. So then you begin to align with a very high, higher frequency, which is the soul, which is what is the soul's intention? What is the soul wish to create? What does the soul wish to experience and express through this human construct? It's a very different vibration. It's a very different level of consciousness. So we would, we would describe that. That is what you were reaching for when you are describing manifestation from a higher perspective, if that makes sense.

44:59

Yeah. Yes. Now Self Love is a topic I'm passionate about. How can we love ourselves more, and is it crucial that we do so

45:13

well, again, first of all, let's go back to this idea that you are a soul, and you are experiencing life through this construct, which includes the physicality, which we often describe as the hardware of the computer. And then there's the software, which is the mind. And so you are experiencing life through that construct. And so understand that what truly prevents what you would describe as self love, what prevents that are all of these thought forms within the mind, or the mental construct that are false. So the thought forms that I'm not enough, the thought form that I'm something wrong with me, the thought form that I need to do better, all of these thought forms are what are blocking this energy of love, and that is truly the energy of love, you could say, is synonymous with what you are. So when you go about this journey of releasing all of these blocks, all of these limitations, all of these thought forms, beliefs, perspectives, opinions that are not not true and were never true, but were programmed into your mind through various experiences and perhaps caregivers from your past, when you can go about the inner work of releasing that then that love that you're describing just arises naturally. It's not something that you have to seek, it's not something that you have to work hard at. It's just something that flows when there isn't this obstruction of falsehood in the way. If that makes sense, the reason that it is important is because you are here again as emanators of this energy of the soul. And so what limits or constricts or blocks the full expression or the full emanation of that energy are again all of these thought forms in the mental body that are of a frequency that is not aligned with who it is you truly are. So they form a sort of constriction. When you release that constriction, it's very similar to having a hose, and the water's flowing through the hose, and if you pinch down on it, that's the constriction that we're describing. So when you let go of those constrictions, the energy that you are just flows naturally. And so that energy of love, whether it's directed at self meaning, appreciating the beautiful, unique emanation of source energy that you are, right, or if it's being directed at another, it just flows naturally in the absence of those false constructs.

47:37

Alright. Um, is Karen okay? Or is she getting tired? I just want to ask her and check in.

47:46

Thank you for checking in. She is. She is okay. So if you wish to ask more questions, okay, it feels that there is sort of a greater flow at this time. We sometimes sense that the more energy and information is flowing through. There's a greater degree of alignment, so it's a good time to keep that alignment flowing and the energy and information flowing.

48:08

All right, I'm wondering about those who are struggling a lot. They might be spiritual, they might be doing the work, and still this heaviness comes over them, depression, many many, well, some people opt into taking their lives, you know, because it gets too heavy. And we were speaking about this victim mentality and programming and forgetting who we are. Now, could you speak to that, to taking one's life, and whether that is being judged on the other side, or whether it's not, because I assume that we have a soul contract. And then I'm curious about whether taking one's life is in that soul contract, or why they are also not receiving help in that moment from angels, if it's important that we continue our lives. So I know there's a lot of questions there. I just would like for you to share a bit about humans who are going through really difficult times. It's, it's, you know, almost unbearable to live. And I get that from your perspective, that you see it differently, but from our perspective, life can get so hard that I can understand that certain people make that decision,

49:36

yes, and we can understand that too. But let's begin again with a foundational understanding of what you're describing as struggle. Because what from our perspective, what we would say is that they are there are layers to struggle. So first of all, in terms of the first layer of struggle, there are very real circumstances and events and conditions that souls experience when they incarnate. Things that are challenging and that creates struggle. Then there is a layer, another layer of struggle that we see as more problematic, especially at this current point in time, which is we would describe that as the layer that colors or filters the way that being views themselves. And this goes back to what you were describing in terms of self love, because oftentimes there's the there's the initial struggle, there's the initial circumstance, but then what gets layered on top of that that creates more struggle that is really from our perspective, we would say unnecessary are the thought forms, the beliefs, the perspectives, in terms of how that being is seeing themselves in the midst of that struggle or challenge. For example, there's a difficult circumstance, a stressful circumstance, and then layered on top of that, the being begins to view oneself or view itself with a degree of criticism and shame, meaning I should be doing something different, or should be better. I should be dealing with this differently. And so that layer is really almost more problematic at times than that initial layer, which is the circumstance, we would say, one effective way to release some of the struggle that beings are experiencing is to notice that that they can peel away that second layer by shifting how they view themselves and how they treat themselves. Meaning, when you are in a phase of challenge which you will each and every one of you will experience, because that is the nature of life, this ebb and flow. So when you are faced with some sort of challenge in your incarnation, one way to soothe yourself is to begin to speak to yourself and treat yourself be pay very close attention to the thought forms that you are directing at yourself, meaning we wish for you to start to start to speak to yourself with even greater degree of love and compassion and understanding, in the same way that if you are observing a close friend going through a difficult experience, you wouldn't criticize them. You wouldn't start, start belittling them for not being able to handle it. You would do the opposite. You would surround them with love. You would ask what you could do to support them. And we would say that, in and of itself, is one of the ways which you can at least ease some of the struggle is to not layer that unnecessary criticism towards oneself. And we would say that many of the times when you're going through some sort of struggle or challenge, it is not necessarily the challenge itself that is the biggest problem. It is the thought forms in your mind, around that and about how you see yourself. So that, first of all, would alleviate a great deal of struggle or challenge. Now what's true is that all beings are are surrounded by guides and guardians and loved ones from other realms that are seeking to provide assistance and support at all moments in time, every moment of their existence and their higher self and Source Energy there's they're surrounded by this energy field of support. Now, it isn't that they are not receiving it. It's that they are not of a vibration that is receptive to that. Again, it's very much like a radio. If you are tuned in to a certain frequency, and that frequency is, let's say, the vibration of shame, then all of this love and compassion can be be sent to you and broadcast to you, but you're not at a level where you can receive it. So we would say, understand that when you find yourself in challenge, perhaps you can't get out of the challenge, but you can seek to shift your energy ever so slightly into a higher vibration, perhaps it is starting to focus a little bit more deeply on surrounding yourself with self compassion and love, to start to elevate your being a little bit so that you become in this receptive mode where you're more open to assistance. We'd say that would be a great help, too, to those that are struggling. We would also say that this is a time that is there is a lot of chaos on the planet, and that is the way that it is unfolding at this time. And you would understand in terms of your individual lives, if you look back in terms of if any of you have had an awakening experience that has transpired through struggle, that oftentimes that is actually what is required to to create enough energy to create that awakening. And that is how we see all of the struggle and the chaos on the planet at this time. It's sort of, it's been. Compared to labor pains right before a baby is born, there's a lot of of pain and chaos surfacing at this time with the intention or with the purpose of creating circumstances and energies that will birth the very different situation on the other side of it. Now, in terms of your question about beings taking their own life. We would say that it it we understand why someone or how someone could get to that point where they feel that that is the only option. We would say, it's not necessary. We would say, obviously, the the better path would be to start to shift your energy and some of the ways that we have described, so that you at least begin to see a light at the end of the tunnel. It's not necessarily the end of the current struggle or challenge, but you at least have shifted your state of being in a sense that you have a sense of your guides and guardians. You have a sense of your true self, your soul self, and in that vibration, you begin to see a light at the end of the tunnel. So we would say to those that are in that position, that are struggling so deeply that that feels like an option, we would say, well, just hold on a minute. Just hang on. Can you first do a little bit of vibrational or energy work to shift yourself out of that state where that feels like the only option. Now, there is no judgment from us. There is no judgment in the spirit world, from from us. In terms of one that has taken, taken their life, we would say the only sort of we'll not we're not going to use the word judgment, but we use the word evaluation. That evaluation arises from that same soul that has had that experience of taking their life, and they get to the other side, and then they do this sort of evaluation of the incarnation and their life experience and all of the experiences they had, and, of course, that death experience and how it ended. So the only evaluation taking place is the evaluation of that soul. And we would say that most souls who have been through that experience realize that that's not really something they want to repeat. Let's put it that way, that they want to come back and incarnate and try again and see if they can, rather than take that exit point, see if they can, instead shift into a higher state of being in order to really gain the lessons that perhaps some of those challenging experiences contain.

57:35

Thank you for that. Now is enlightenment, the goal for each lifetime, and is Enlightenment available for all of us?

57:48

So we're smiling, and we would say, first of all, we don't love that term goal. We would say that that's a very human perspective in terms of always seeking something in the future. Here's the goal. Let me work towards it. We would say, in what you are calling enlightenment, we could all you could also say is that's the realization, the full realization, of who it is you truly are while you're still in the body, and then, of course, being able to acknowledge that truth and then emanate and express that energy through the physicality and through the human incarnation, we'd say that is enlightenment. What, what you might find interesting is that from this multi dimensional soul perspective, and what we mean by that is you are the soul, and you're having many different, as we said in our last interaction, many different incarnations. They're happening simultaneously, right? And so you're having this multi dimensional experience of incarnating into many different bodies and experiences at the same time. Some of those you will experience as one who is quote, unquote enlightened, and some you will have the very opposite of that. Some you will have experiences of being completely in the dark, let's say now all of those experiences serve your soul in terms of evolution. So it is not that enlightenment is necessarily the goal, or enlightenment is necessarily better. It's that your soul is incarnating for the purpose of exploration. And in terms of this exploration, it loves to experience this versus that. So what is it like to be in a body that is quote, unquote enlightened, and what is it like to be in a body that is not and in doing so, in having all of those multiple experiences, what's true is that the the soul has a greater understanding right of who it is, who it is, that it who it is, that it is like who it is, that that true identity, self, and also it has a greater understanding of how to express through this vessel or instrument that is the human construct, that is what it is learning, it's hard. To express in terms of quote, unquote goal, because the sense of time is not linear. It's not that A to B linear time in that from that perspective, that's where you have goals. But from this multi dimensional standpoint, and this dimension where there is not necessarily time in the same sense that you know it there isn't goals, in the same way that you understand them to exist.

1:00:27

I get that, and I feel like goal is a very masculine word as well. And I could have said intention, but still, yeah, I get what you mean. And speaking of that, and I'm going to wrap up soon. I just feel like Karen can get tired. We see a lot of Hollywood movies and series about different Earths, parallel, parallel lives, meeting your other self. Now is that possible? Like one thing is that I'm living all these different lives. It's different beings. But what about Yannick and Karen? Like, do Jannecke and Karen have multiple selves so we could actually meet our own self from a parallel reality, if we could tap into it?

1:01:17

We would say yes, and we would say that is in terms of your description of twin flames, we would say that would be the best indicator, right? So some think of twin flames as this one soul that has divided into, and you're both incarnated, right? And you're going to meet each other. And that's not necessarily untrue, but we would add to that by saying it's not just you're not just divided into, right? You're this multi dimensional being who is incarnating in many different bodies, many different timelines, many different times in history, many different galaxies, many different worlds, right? And so if you think of that term abundance, that all of you love to think about in terms of that term abundance, if you really think of that term infinite abundance, and begin to tune into that as not so much a quality, well, think of it as a quality of your being. So think of that as a quality of the multi dimensional being that you are, your human mind or your human construct. Can't really conceive of how many incarnations or how many experiences that you're having from this multi dimensional, abundant life that you are or being that you are. And so yes, you very much could encounter an aspect of yourself while you are still incarnate. But as we said in the last interaction, one way to interact and to invoke a sense of healing is to connect, either psychically, think of it as psychically or telepathically, with the other dimensions of who it is that you are. And so you're kind of asking your higher self to help you in this, of course, because there's so many different incarnations that you don't want to experience them all at once. You just want to perhaps experience one or two or three that are would be of some benefit for who you are in this lifetime, meaning perhaps you're sharing similar experiences or similar themes, or working through a similar situation, and so you connect with those other aspects of who you are in order to invoke a sense of healing and realignment and a benefit to your multidimensional selves, so to speak.

1:03:35

All right. Well, thank you so much. Do you have any last messages before we bring Karen forward again or back.

1:03:43

So we would say, just to leave you with his this message that at this current point in time, if this information is interesting to you, we would say that one of the things that you could explore, one of the ways which you could focus your attention, is just noticing in your quiet time, in your quiet moments, in your meditation time, to see if you can really get a sense of that true self, that soul self that you are, as a sort of feeling tone within you and all around you, and begin to focus on that. As you focus your attention on that, as you focus on who it is you are, you begin to become more familiar with that as your identity then the human self, with all of its ideas, beliefs, programs, right? So the more you can place your attention on this soul self that you are, the more that you can begin to invite and invoke that energy to express through you and as you and we would say that is the intention, the spiritual intention, for your incarnation at this time.

1:04:47

All right, thank you so much.

1:04:54

Okay, just give me a sec. I'm coming back. Ah, thank you.

1:05:02

I was just looking at the clock and thinking, you know, we're been going out on for an hour, and how do you feel?

1:05:09

Yeah, an hour is an hour is perfect. An hour is about the amount of time that, like, after an hour, I start to physically feel like a little bit weakened. But no, an hour is perfect, okay, thank you for keeping an eye on the time. Because not everybody knows to do that. They don't realize that it's a little bit of a taxing on the on the physical body.

1:05:30

Yeah, that was interesting, because there were some questions that I felt they were a bit resistance resistant to go into. Yeah, sometimes I feel that, you know, there are two different perspectives that are meaning here. Yeah, you know our vibration and their vibration, and we have our left brain curiosity, where we have answers, and they have higher perspective, where they're like, No, but that's not important. And we're like, very important.

1:05:58

I know totally like, sometimes I feel like, sometimes when people, um, when people understand that she's a star being, then they make that connection between, like, there's just a perception in people's minds of what that means and what that is, right. But people tend to forget that there are so many different races of star beings, all of them with different intentions, all of them with different, you know, perspectives, ideas and so surprise, perspective and their intention. Really, what they've communicated to me is really all about deconstructing the human mind and helping us build it back up into a place that's more harmonious. And so creating thought forms, beliefs, perspectives that are more harmonious with Unity Consciousness, right? And so what I found is that if questions are asked that don't really necessarily fit with that, then there's, it feels like there's resistance there, but when a question is asked that really matches that intention, there's, then there's this huge flow of energy that comes through. So it's really interesting to feel and witness that as the channel.

1:07:07

And that makes sense as well, because, like we are human beings, we have our interests, we have our gifts and talents. And sometimes, at least for me, in the beginning, I was thinking, if I have a channel, I can ask anything and get answers to all of life's questions and the universe. But I don't think it's like that. It it's from different perspectives all the time. Yes, it's like, nobody has to like the full, full truth. I believe we all have the truth, and nobody has the truth in a way, because it's just a new perspective, but from a higher perspective.

1:07:41

Yeah, it's, and that's the benefit, probably, of talking to many different channelers, is that you're going to get pieces of information that, I mean, you'll get all the answers. You're just not necessarily going to get all the answers from one channel, necessarily, except for, you know, there are some channels that channel many different beings, so they might have more access to that. Yeah, I find Saria is pretty specific with with their intention. And so sometimes it's not that they're not willing to answer it. It's just like, you know, from it's kind of like if aliens came to Earth, or if ETS came to Earth and thought that they would just ask one human, like, all of the questions they had expected them to know everything, like I'm going to ask a doctor questions that would be for someone who is not related to medicine or something like that. So it's just, it's just interesting. They do have a specific intention.

1:08:31

So that makes sense. But the more we you know, the more we do this, the more I do this, the more I learn, and the more questions I get. And it's just constantly in growth and involvement everything. And I found this very interesting. I we got a lot of questions in here, and a lot of this. Do you remember anything?

1:08:51

I remember some. I remember there was something about the abductions. I can't remember if that was your question or someone else's question, but mine, yeah, was not yours. Yeah, yeah. So I don't actually remember what she said about it, but I do know that questions like that have been asked before, and because they are not, they are not having that interaction. I think it's probably the grays or the Zeta Reticuli that are, that are the the beings having those physical interactions. So she might be able to speak on it again from an outsider perspective, observing what's happening, but because they're not the actual beings having those interactions, she can't really speak from it, from the perspective of being involved, if you know what I mean,

1:09:34

yeah, makes sense. Well, Karen, this was a wonderful session again, and I'd love to have you back again. Actually, I love our interaction. And you're also going to be a master class teacher in my membership, teaching us about how to tap into our psychic abilities. Yeah. So for everyone's interested, you can go into wisdom from North com, slash membership and the class. Will come later on. And yeah, so I've asked this before, but I ask you again, from your perspective, what is the deeper meaning of life?

1:10:10

Ah, awesome. It's so funny. You you probably asked me that last time, and I can't remember what I said, but I'll speak from this point in time what I feel the deeper meaning of life is. And really that's just connecting with who it is we are, right, our soul self, connecting with that. This is what Sarai has taught me, connecting with who it is we truly are, so that we can become embodiments of that here on earth at this time, in order to be of service. So that's an ongoing process in terms of learning how to do that. But I feel like for me right now, that's really where my heart is

1:10:41

so beautiful, and let us know. Where can people find you?

1:10:45

Yes. So my website is intuitivekb.com, you can find me there and then on YouTube, if you just type in intuitive Karen Bell, you'll find my channel there. I'd love for you to subscribe. You'll find all of my channel videos with Sarai on my YouTube channel,

1:11:00

beautiful, thank you so much for coming back to the show today. Karen,

1:11:04

thank you, Jannecke, it was great. Thanks so much for having me.